Will you cheat in gambling? - page 17.

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Quote from: Silberman on July 05, 2023, 01:30:43 PM

Quote from: jostorres on July 05, 2023, 06:15:59 AM

Generally, casinos or any platforms start a bug bounty program when they first launch their platform so that if users find any vulnerabilities or bugs in the platform, they report them to the management so that they can get a reward and they can improve their platform, and they stop that program after some time when they feel that there aren't any more bugs and vulnerabilities, only a few platforms would have such a program all the time.

So expecting something in return for reporting a bug or a vulnerability on a platform that doesn't have a bug bounty program going on is useless because you are not going to get anything at all unless it is something very serious and it could cause them huge losses, then they might think of giving you a few free spins.

However this attitude can cause bugs to go unreported, after all an honest gambler may not take advantage of the bug, but if there is no incentive for them they may not report it either, thinking the people responsible behind the website to check for those things will eventually notice it, however if they do not and the first one to notice it this time around is a cheater this could bring heavy losses to the casino, losses which could have been avoided with a bug bounty program.

That is why some sites offer rewards to those who can find bugs in the system. Though it was their part to investigate and look for some irregularities inside but as responsible gamblers, we also have to report even though we never get money because there is trust which is most important. As long as the site has not cheated anyone, they should also get respect and no reason to cheat. Cheaters could be found too easily, so we never have to try it because in the end, we are the only ones that suffer the most.

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Quote from: Mr.suevie on July 08, 2023, 06:05:59 AM

The same glitch you propose would happen to a physical casino can also happen to online casino although it is rare or maybe even hard but the programers of some online casino can still make some error that can lead to their customers acquiring some unexpected benefits but the only issue is that these online casino can still confiscate these benefits and make corrections to the flaws in their system immediately.

I don't know about this one but maybe the website of the casino can be hacked and then the player can alter the amount in their balance.

Any casino is centralized, so it's similar like centralized exchange got hacked and the hacker can rob all the money in the site. But it's not cheat in gambling, that's how to rob the money through hacking. Any centralized site that related with money can be hacked, not only in casino.

I think if someone create an accusation thread, photoshopped the proof and he can convince people in this forum if the casino is the scammer, this make everyone will pressure the casino to repay the gambler. This could be called as cheating.

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Well, unless for most new casinos that have not really been proven to be reputable or some casinos that were just established to scam users, there is no way any reputable casino will want to ruin their reputation by cheating users. The general principle of gambling is that gamblers losses are always higher than their winnings. Whoever is using a casino should just choose a reputable casino, and they will not have the fear of being cheated by the system. For some platforms, there could be downtime with the system, which could cause some errors, but for casinos, I have not seen a situation where they even had a repeated case of error that could lead to players cheating them and winning very big. Would it even be possible to cheat a casino without them restricting the user's account? I don't think is possible.

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Well, if it's a physical casino we are playing on, I probably would agree that there could be some ways to cheat the casino, most especially when playing on a slot machine, there is the possibility that the machine might malfunction which could possibly lead to the gambler hitting a big and unexpected winning, and if the casino does not investigate the winning and goes ahead to pay the gambler, then that's he's or her luck..

But for online casino, I sure have to agree with you that, there is no way possible any game can game the system without being caught, it's just impossible which ever way we try to look at it.

The same glitch you propose would happen to a physical casino can also happen to online casino although it is rare or maybe even hard but the programers of some online casino can still make some error that can lead to their customers acquiring some unexpected benefits but the only issue is that these online casino can still confiscate these benefits and make corrections to the flaws in their system immediately.

I don't know about this one but maybe the website of the casino can be hacked and then the player can alter the amount in their balance.

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Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on July 06, 2023, 02:05:45 PM

Quote from: Outhue on July 03, 2023, 01:11:36 AM

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Well, unless for most new casinos that have not really been proven to be reputable or some casinos that were just established to scam users, there is no way any reputable casino will want to ruin their reputation by cheating users. The general principle of gambling is that gamblers losses are always higher than their winnings. Whoever is using a casino should just choose a reputable casino, and they will not have the fear of being cheated by the system. For some platforms, there could be downtime with the system, which could cause some errors, but for casinos, I have not seen a situation where they even had a repeated case of error that could lead to players cheating them and winning very big. Would it even be possible to cheat a casino without them restricting the user's account? I don't think is possible.

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Well, if it's a physical casino we are playing on, I probably would agree that there could be some ways to cheat the casino, most especially when playing on a slot machine, there is the possibility that the machine might malfunction which could possibly lead to the gambler hitting a big and unexpected winning, and if the casino does not investigate the winning and goes ahead to pay the gambler, then that's he's or her luck..

But for online casino, I sure have to agree with you that, there is no way possible any game can game the system without being caught, it's just impossible which ever way we try to look at it.

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Quote from: tusandii on July 01, 2023, 07:51:22 AM

Quote from: Betwrong on July 01, 2023, 04:38:42 AM

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You are right, indeed that is not a good reason for gamblers to cheat because the Odds given by the casino are only based on the winning percentage.
If those who have a high chance of winning must have low Odds, it is hard to just assume that everything is unfair.
After all, the house always wins in gambling, so we can't expect to always have a win.

The right choice if it's better to leave the casino that you feel is cheating and choose to move to another casino, but if you want to make an allegation of fraud, we must be able to have accurate evidence and also the right statement for what accused.

I was talking about it in more detail earlier, but in brief: "The house always wins", doesn't imply every gambler always loses. Let's not forget about that.

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Now, we don't know if some casinos were cheating on us. It's not easy for players to cheat a casino if they do not have some kind of bonus. If you find a loophole where you cheat the platform, it's not ethical to use it to take advantage. In this case, you are a cheater.

Yep, that's what is very important to understand. The life of a cheater is miserable in many ways and the money you might get by cheating is not worth it. Evolutionary this world has become a place where cheaters don't prosper.

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Quote from: klidex on July 05, 2023, 02:05:29 PM

But this will only be in vain because in the short term it is possible to succeed but in the long term gambling will find out about the fraudulent activity.

Acquiring substantial wealth in a short span of time through effective fraudulent techniques does not require an extended period. Alas, it appears that casinos may grow suspicious when users attempt to withdraw a significant sum of money, prompting them to scrutinize the recent betting history of our account. The gambling platform could potentially withhold the funds and refrain from transferring the withdrawn amount derived from illicit means.

User misconduct typically leaves behind suspicious traces, prompting gambling platforms to examine any dubious activities before deciding whether to remit funds to the user in question.

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Quote from: Outhue on July 03, 2023, 01:11:36 AM

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Well, unless for most new casinos that have not really been proven to be reputable or some casinos that were just established to scam users, there is no way any reputable casino will want to ruin their reputation by cheating users. The general principle of gambling is that gamblers losses are always higher than their winnings. Whoever is using a casino should just choose a reputable casino, and they will not have the fear of being cheated by the system. For some platforms, there could be downtime with the system, which could cause some errors, but for casinos, I have not seen a situation where they even had a repeated case of error that could lead to players cheating them and winning very big. Would it even be possible to cheat a casino without them restricting the user's account? I don't think is possible.

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Quote from: Silberman on July 05, 2023, 01:30:43 PM

Quote from: jostorres on July 05, 2023, 06:15:59 AM

Generally, casinos or any platforms start a bug bounty program when they first launch their platform so that if users find any vulnerabilities or bugs in the platform, they report them to the management so that they can get a reward and they can improve their platform, and they stop that program after some time when they feel that there aren't any more bugs and vulnerabilities, only a few platforms would have such a program all the time.

So expecting something in return for reporting a bug or a vulnerability on a platform that doesn't have a bug bounty program going on is useless because you are not going to get anything at all unless it is something very serious and it could cause them huge losses, then they might think of giving you a few free spins.

However this attitude can cause bug to go unreported, after all an honest gambler may not take advantage of the bug, but if there is no incentive for them they may not report it either, thinking the people responsible behind the website to check for those things will eventually notice it, however if they do not and the first one to notice it this time around is a cheater this could bring heavy losses to the casino, losses which could have been avoided with a bug bounty program.

The casino will look closely at what you are doing when you keep winning, and get caught in the end. Taking advantage of the bugs discovered will not be taken lightly by the casino. As a consequence, they can pretend all things are good and they will make you lose all the time from now on lol that's really a bad ass casino. Yup Karma knows no boundary.

Or the casino will suspend your account with your money frozen. And then they will show the public what you did cause it can't be coincident that you keep doing it over and over with the help of the bug.

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Quote from: bayu7adi on July 04, 2023, 11:41:52 PM

Realistically, yes, it is possible for me to resort to such dishonest means in certain circumstances. Although gambling is just a game, we surely feel frustrated when we keep losing. No one takes pride in their own defeat, and that's why we may consider unconventional methods to seek retribution.

A series of consecutive losses can greatly affect a gambler's mood. I would resort to cheating only when my mental well-being is compromised. Anyone would feel driven to madness when their gambling win rate is low. Cheating becomes the only way to improve their win rate and find happiness.

Until now, as someone who lacks programming skills, I have never attempted to cheat in online gambling. It simply hasn't crossed my mind.

It seems that this thinking is more appropriate for gambling addicts.
Yes, logically, someone who is addicted feels that he wants to recover his losses, will cheat and think of ways to be able to take advantage to cover his losses.
But this will only be in vain because in the short term it is possible to succeed but in the long term gambling will find out about the fraudulent activity.

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Quote from: jostorres on July 05, 2023, 06:15:59 AM

Generally, casinos or any platforms start a bug bounty program when they first launch their platform so that if users find any vulnerabilities or bugs in the platform, they report them to the management so that they can get a reward and they can improve their platform, and they stop that program after some time when they feel that there aren't any more bugs and vulnerabilities, only a few platforms would have such a program all the time.

So expecting something in return for reporting a bug or a vulnerability on a platform that doesn't have a bug bounty program going on is useless because you are not going to get anything at all unless it is something very serious and it could cause them huge losses, then they might think of giving you a few free spins.

However this attitude can cause bugs to go unreported, after all an honest gambler may not take advantage of the bug, but if there is no incentive for them they may not report it either, thinking the people responsible behind the website to check for those things will eventually notice it, however if they do not and the first one to notice it this time around is a cheater this could bring heavy losses to the casino, losses which could have been avoided with a bug bounty program.

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Quote from: Chikito on July 01, 2023, 09:53:10 PM

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But for people who don't want to cheat the system, they will report it to the casino that many people do cheating.
That will depend on each people what they want to do with that and if they think cheating is a bad thing, they will not follow others instead will play as usual.

It's like a mission impossible if don't have a benefit to it. I often find the casino just says thanks if someone finds a vulnerable system on their gambling site. Even if it is very important, the casino doesn't give him any reward or maybe a free bet or something. I think the casino management should think about this. Apart to find out the vulnerabilities, the bounty bug program and review site are good for getting many customers also. The casino must open to any report and must give the prize if someone finds the vulnerability system.

Generally, casinos or any platforms start a bug bounty program when they first launch their platform so that if users find any vulnerabilities or bugs in the platform, they report them to the management so that they can get a reward and they can improve their platform, and they stop that program after some time when they feel that there aren't any more bugs and vulnerabilities, only a few platforms would have such a program all the time.

So expecting something in return for reporting a bug or a vulnerability on a platform that doesn't have a bug bounty program going on is useless because you are not going to get anything at all unless it is something very serious and it could cause them huge losses, then they might think of giving you a few free spins.

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Realistically, yes, it is possible for me to resort to such dishonest means in certain circumstances. Although gambling is just a game, we surely feel frustrated when we keep losing. No one takes pride in their own defeat, and that's why we may consider unconventional methods to seek retribution.

A series of consecutive losses can greatly affect a gambler's mood. I would resort to cheating only when my mental well-being is compromised. Anyone would feel driven to madness when their gambling win rate is low. Cheating becomes the only way to improve their win rate and find happiness.

Until now, as someone who lacks programming skills, I have never attempted to cheat in online gambling. It simply hasn't crossed my mind.

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Quote from: borovichok on July 04, 2023, 08:44:01 PM

Quote from: Learn Bitcoin on July 03, 2023, 11:22:36 PM

This is the main problem here. Gambling-addicted people would choose anything to continue gamble. I heard some gamblers even stole money from home to gamble. They sell their stuff to continue gamble. From that perspective, if they can sell things to continue gambling, it's nothing for them to take advantage of, whether legal or illegal. They won't look at it.

Even though we are saying that gambling should be for fun or entertainment, 90 percent of gamblers gamble to make money and lose. How many of us play for entertainment only? There was a time when I was playing to make money. But then I realized I could not beat the house. So, it's better to play just for entertainment.

We make gains and loses from gambling; what important is our reaction after recording losses; some of us seek vengeance on the system by gambling further, which leads in additional losses, while others remain cool and attempt gambling again another day. Gambling is definitely not to double our money or income, we gamble simply because we are less busy, as most people would say, it's for entertainment but what I've seen in the past months and years is definitely contrary to that, they gamble and bet as if gambling is their source of money, and they're willing to go the extra mile. We all have defects, and it's up to us to either disclose or conceal them.

Before, my main goal on why I gamble is to hit a jackpot so I can get rich quick. The advertisements that i'm seeing (usually won lots of money with just a small capital) makes me get attracted to try my luck too believing that same fate can happen to me as well. But after experiencing it myself, I realized the house always win and it's not easy to beat it unless you're one of the lucky people who are meant to win a huge amount. So it just right to only gamble to have fun and not to profit.

Anyway, if you happen to get a chance on taking advantage the casino due to some internal problem that favors you, still, it's not going to work. Because they're the ones who will process the withdrawal, so sooner or later they can detect the real deal on why you won.

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Quote from: Learn Bitcoin on July 03, 2023, 11:22:36 PM

This is the main problem here. Gambling-addicted people would choose anything to continue gamble. I heard some gamblers even stole money from home to gamble. They sell their stuff to continue gamble. From that perspective, if they can sell things to continue gambling, it's nothing for them to take advantage of, whether legal or illegal. They won't look at it.

Even though we are saying that gambling should be for fun or entertainment, 90 percent of gamblers gamble to make money and lose. How many of us play for entertainment only? There was a time when I was playing to make money. But then I realized I could not beat the house. So, it's better to play just for entertainment.

We make gains and loses from gambling; what important is our reaction after recording losses; some of us seek vengeance on the system by gambling further, which leads in additional losses, while others remain cool and attempt gambling again another day. Gambling is definitely not to double our money or income, we gamble simply because we are less busy, as most people would say, it's for entertainment but what I've seen in the past months and years is definitely contrary to that, they gamble and bet as if gambling is their source of money, and they're willing to go the extra mile. We all have defects, and it's up to us to either disclose or conceal them.

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Quote from: AicecreaME on July 03, 2023, 08:42:18 AM

Additionally, with updated maintenance and strict monitoring of the activities of the players, these casino websites can easily detect unusual activities. If they detect your account, it might be flagged and be suspended so don't ever think of cheating especially if you have big funds in your wallet. Since once proven guilty, you have to adhere to their conditions that might included not recovering your account and fund again.

it is foolishness if we cheat on gambling because as we discussed here the casino always has a way to detect fraudulent activity carried out by its customers and in any form that violates casino rules, they always know and do not hesitate to ban their accounts. all of that because the casino has a special tool or system that can detect activity that violates casino rules and the system will always detect each customer's account and if it is proven that there is fraud, the casino will usually ask KYC and if it is caught cheating the casino and the sportbook will ban the customer and IP usually also banned.
so that the customer really will not be able to return to the casino.

Yep, the casinos has the full control of our account and I'm pretty sure that they are actively trying to detect cheaters in their casino and I agree that it's a no brainer for them to verify you or banning you instantly. Casino knows that cheating will make the lose their revenue and their anti-cheat system is I believe being developed constantly on the top priority. With the thousand of gamblers that the casino have, I'm sure that they have caught someone cheating on their casino. I believe that cheating on a casino is considered giving your money to them.

As a business then they would really be having this kind of main concern and had already make out those measures on the time that they would really be seeing suspicious activity from its players.
They wont really be that so dumb on not to detect everything because you are playing on their platform then it would really be just like that you are in the palm of their hands on which they could completely control
on whatever they do like if ever they would be seeing something odd or really not that following into their terms and conditions on which it would really be putting you up on trouble.

Would you cheat in gambling? Even if you wanted to, there's no way that you could easily bypass out security measures made by any platform when it comes to this. We know that
they are already have been polishing their site or platform on circumstances like this knowing that this involves huge money then it would really be normal on having this kind of approach.

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Quote from: Stepstowealth on June 22, 2023, 10:12:12 AM

As a morally upright person that does not like to cheat people, but gambles and has lost a lot of money to gambling in a casino where you have sometimes been cheated even without your knowledge or betting on sports, will you take an opportunity you get and go against your moral standards to cheat a casino or sportsbetting place, just so you can win big at least even once.

Will you try a trick to win on casino game machines if you were told and it is a 100% working trick to cash out? Will you bet on fixed games if you get the tip early?

When there's an equal probability of winning or losing, you should be aware of the risks before engaging. If the casino operates fairly, meaning they face the same odds of losing as the players do, then cheating becomes pointless. In fact, if you choose not to play casino games and instead participate in sports betting, the outcomes are determined by the events themselves, and the casino merely scores your wagers accordingly. It's better to accept this reality and approach it with that understanding.

There are some people that do make use of software and somehow do have luck to cheat casino but if they found out that a user is associated with such act of stealing and cheating, your account will be suspended and not only that, your balance is good as gone. It's better to play by the rules and the skills than regret something you wouldn't be happy about.

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Quote from: len01 on July 04, 2023, 07:57:25 AM

Quote from: AicecreaME on July 03, 2023, 08:42:18 AM

Additionally, with updated maintenance and strict monitoring of the activities of the players, these casino websites can easily detect unusual activities. If they detect your account, it might be flagged and be suspended so don't ever think of cheating especially if you have big funds in your wallet. Since once proven guilty, you have to adhere to their conditions that might included not recovering your account and fund again.

it is foolishness if we cheat on gambling because as we discussed here the casino always has a way to detect fraudulent activity carried out by its customers and in any form that violates casino rules, they always know and do not hesitate to ban their accounts. all of that because the casino has a special tool or system that can detect activity that violates casino rules and the system will always detect each customer's account and if it is proven that there is fraud, the casino will usually ask KYC and if it is caught cheating the casino and the sportbook will ban the customer and IP usually also banned.
so that the customer really will not be able to return to the casino.

Yep, the casinos has the full control of our account and I'm pretty sure that they are actively trying to detect cheaters in their casino and I agree that it's a no brainer for them to verify you or banning you instantly. Casino knows that cheating will make the lose their revenue and their anti-cheat system is I believe being developed constantly on the top priority. With the thousand of gamblers that the casino have, I'm sure that they have caught someone cheating on their casino. I believe that cheating on a casino is considered giving your money to them.

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Quote from: len01 on July 04, 2023, 07:57:25 AM

Quote from: AicecreaME on July 03, 2023, 08:42:18 AM

Additionally, with updated maintenance and strict monitoring of the activities of the players, these casino websites can easily detect unusual activities. If they detect your account, it might be flagged and be suspended so don't ever think of cheating especially if you have big funds in your wallet. Since once proven guilty, you have to adhere to their conditions that might included not recovering your account and fund again.

it is foolishness if we cheat on gambling because as we discussed here the casino always has a way to detect fraudulent activity carried out by its customers and in any form that violates casino rules, they always know and do not hesitate to ban their accounts. all of that because the casino has a special tool or system that can detect activity that violates casino rules and the system will always detect each customer's account and if it is proven that there is fraud, the casino will usually ask KYC and if it is caught cheating the casino and the sportbook will ban the customer and IP usually also banned.
so that the customer really will not be able to return to the casino.

Currently, online casinos are very strict in terms of security and user convenience, so it's not surprising that the slightest fraud will be easily detected by the system. It's better from now on to gamble fairly according to the rules and if you violate these provisions it can be self-defeating which results in losing access to the gambling site. I think even though the casino has continuously improved its system, it is likely that there are still so many people out there who are still committing massive fraud.

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Quote from: AicecreaME on July 03, 2023, 08:42:18 AM

Additionally, with updated maintenance and strict monitoring of the activities of the players, these casino websites can easily detect unusual activities. If they detect your account, it might be flagged and be suspended so don't ever think of cheating especially if you have big funds in your wallet. Since once proven guilty, you have to adhere to their conditions that might included not recovering your account and fund again.

it is foolishness if we cheat on gambling because as we discussed here the casino always has a way to detect fraudulent activity carried out by its customers and in any form that violates casino rules, they always know and do not hesitate to ban their accounts. all of that because the casino has a special tool or system that can detect activity that violates casino rules and the system will always detect each customer's account and if it is proven that there is fraud, the casino will usually ask KYC and if it is caught cheating the casino and the sportbook will ban the customer and IP usually also banned.
so that the customer really will not be able to return to the casino.

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Quote from: freedomgo on July 03, 2023, 01:08:37 PM

Unless if you are that kind of gambler who doesn't care about the wins and losses because you are only there for entertainment purposes.

This is the main problem here. Gambling-addicted people would choose anything to continue gamble. I heard some gamblers even stole money from home to gamble. They sell their stuff to continue gamble. From that perspective, if they can sell things to continue gambling, it's nothing for them to take advantage of, whether legal or illegal. They won't look at it.

Even though we are saying that gambling should be for fun or entertainment, 90 percent of gamblers gamble to make money and lose. How many of us play for entertainment only? There was a time when I was playing to make money. But then I realized I could not beat the house. So, it's better to play just for entertainment.

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