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July 18, 2023, 10:40:41 AM
Rather than cheating it is all about utilising the opportunity. It is really hard to win against the machines. There are people who are skilled enough to cheat the machines through learning. I don't have the patience to learn as well as try against the gambling machines that are completely focused on profit making. I will go with fixed bets, because in the past I've won with fixed bets information shared on our forum. I'm not sure how far the bet is real information or coincidence, but I was able to win a fixed bet.
after you said about rigging a machine i remember in the past there was a young man who cheated a slot machine taking advantage of the bottom hole in the slot machine instead he used a small amount of money and tried to poke money out of the hole at the bottom of the machine those slots.
from this I conclude that cheating offline gambling is possible but cheating online gambling is a little impossible and even very risky for our accounts. I support your statement that it would be better if you choose a fixed bet rather than having to seek profit from crime against the dealer.
That coin poking thing do also happen here in our place but it wasn't a gambling machine that is involved but it is an arcade video game. Kids does this all the time whenever the owner of the gaming place is not around and there are no CCTV's back in time so they never get caught. Not gonna lie but I got involved with it before.

Of course I realized that it was wrong and as a grown-up man, I never done it again. Cheating online is possible for a skilled hacker and then it was also safer because they can use some tools to hide their identity. If their accounts get caught and close down, they can easily create another one and do the same thing again.
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July 17, 2023, 04:36:27 PM
Cheating on anything can never be fine.  It is a matter of morality.  Just put yourself in other shoes.  Are you happy being cheated?  Obviously, you will not and probably will take your revenge on the person who cheated on you.  In gambling history, cheating is one of the major reasons for bloodbaths among gamblers. 

No matter how long our intention to stay and play in a casino, it is always a good thing to exit with a clean account than an exit due to being banned because of cheating.

A little offtopic, but such exceptions do occur. For example, my daughter came across cheaters/scammers in computer games and gained invaluable experience (regarding human relations). I think it's a very good experience and she got it almost for free - it's much worse to learn about the bad nature of people in the real world (it can be much more expensive).
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July 17, 2023, 04:29:48 PM
Cheating on anything can never be fine.  It is a matter of morality.  Just put yourself in other shoes.  Are you happy being cheated?  Obviously, you will not and probably will take your revenge on the person who cheated on you.  In gambling history, cheating is one of the major reasons for bloodbaths among gamblers. 

Cheating always comes with many regrets because if you were to cheat a traditional casino where you go to play your bet, you might end up getting arrested and that'll be very bad for your reputation among your fellow gamblers and your resident if the news spreads.

You have an opportunity to make clean money when you place your bets so you shouldn't spoil that because of some advantages you got offered like fixed games. It makes you a dishonest person. Others have won gambling without cheating, why can't you do the same.

If there's an issue on the machines, go and report to the management and even when you don't get compensated for reporting the faculty machine to them, you don't get angry because you shouldn't do good and expect to be rewarded for it that's not doing good anymore.
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July 17, 2023, 03:06:16 PM
But for people who don't want to cheat the system, they will report it to the casino that many people do cheating.
That will depend on each people what they want to do with that and if they think cheating is a bad thing, they will not follow others instead will play as usual.
It's like a mission impossible if don't have a benefit to it. I often find the casino just says thanks if someone finds a vulnerable system on their gambling site. Even if it is very important, the casino doesn't give him any reward or maybe a free bet or something. I think the casino management should think about this. Apart to find out the vulnerabilities, the bounty bug program and review site are good for getting many customers also. The casino must open to any report and must give the prize if someone finds the vulnerability system.
I doubt any casino would reward you for finding out an issue with their operating system that can be exploited by their customers but some casino do give out bonuses on review program carried out on their site and a couple of them are already using this strategy as you have already stated that its also a means of acquiring more customers to the website. Megapari just hosted something similar to this and I know this will indeed attract a lot of new gamblers to the website.

I think that this is a flaw that all casinos have, that they do not reward people who can find certain vulnerabilities, and those who do and participate do not give them great rewards, so when there are vulnerabilities, what they do is exploit them and take advantage of the mistake

To be honest, I haven't seen any casino taking this initiative, and they don't know how important it is, now with AI, this could backfire, because on one hand the casino(s) protect themselves from security, on the other they are the players who are and know about AI who seek to overcome the casino system so that they generate money, this is something that is going to be very important in the very near future, because there will come a time when AI can be very effective and You can win.

We cannot limit ourselves and say that an AI will not exceed the limits of a gaming system in a casino , at this time maybe, no, but I know that this will come, and this would also make all game providers worldwide They have to rebuild all the games and their programming that have AI included so that it does not allow its use.
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July 16, 2023, 08:02:33 AM
Trying to cheat a casino cam only be fine when you don't have much money in your account and don't have the plan to stay for a very long time in the casino because it is certain that the person will be ban or account locked as quick as possible. Many of these casinos are always strict and ready to penalize us when we do something contrary to there terms and conditions especially when the person a has some money in there account. It will be unwise for us to try and cheat a casino when we know that the casino can in any ways freeze our account for breaking there team's and conditions.

Cheating on anything can never be fine.  It is a matter of morality.  Just put yourself in other shoes.  Are you happy being cheated?  Obviously, you will not and probably will take your revenge on the person who cheated on you.  In gambling history, cheating is one of the major reasons for bloodbaths among gamblers. 

No matter how long our intention to stay and play in a casino, it is always a good thing to exit with a clean account than an exit due to being banned because of cheating.
Agree with both of you because, after all, casinos can find people cheating in their establishments and it's easy for them to do that. Only people who don't think about what could happen to them will try to cheat the casino. At the same time, other people will not try it and prefer to play gambling as usual. They don't want to see their gambling account frozen by the casino just because of that mistake and choose to play gambling safely. But still, some want to use leaks from the casino to their advantage so they will still cheat the casino.
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July 15, 2023, 11:37:15 PM
This is very close to the truth, I remember reading on the past articles about how the majority of the criminals have problems when it comes to thinking about the long term consequences of their actions, they know that if they steal they may get some money they do not deserve, they understand that much, however in their minds they never think about the possibility of eventually being discovered, caught and sent to jail, so it is not they are not afraid of the consequences, they do not even think about them.
Which I think is a kind of disorder.
We have parents who taught us about rules and how to obey them. Then, we learn about the law in our schools or even just outside with our friends. Not thinking about the consequences when you do something wrong has something to do with the past of each person. They may have lacked the people who taught them about it or they grew up in a place where there are no rules that need to be obeyed.

But I do believe when it comes to gambling there will be those who will try to take advantage of a flawed system. First, they want revenge for losing a lot of money from the unfair system. Second, they just want their money back. Finally, it will be an escape from being on the poor side of society. There are many reasons why it can be done and I do think even the honest ones will take advantage of it (what more a gambler) if they see there's an escape route with no jail time. Greed is just too evil.
While the education that each person receives at an early age is critical, there are some people that are simply unable to understand sequential logic, basically they are unable to understand that if they do something wrong then some degree of punishment will come their way, so the next time they think once again of doing something bad they are unable to connect their previous experiences and determine that a punishment will follow if they are caught, I know this may seem difficult to understand as this is very obvious to us, but it does indeed happen.
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July 15, 2023, 05:50:13 PM
Trying to cheat a casino cam only be fine when you don't have much money in your account and don't have the plan to stay for a very long time in the casino because it is certain that the person will be ban or account locked as quick as possible. Many of these casinos are always strict and ready to penalize us when we do something contrary to there terms and conditions especially when the person a has some money in there account. It will be unwise for us to try and cheat a casino when we know that the casino can in any ways freeze our account for breaking there team's and conditions.

Cheating on anything can never be fine.  It is a matter of morality.  Just put yourself in other shoes.  Are you happy being cheated?  Obviously, you will not and probably will take your revenge on the person who cheated on you.  In gambling history, cheating is one of the major reasons for bloodbaths among gamblers. 

No matter how long our intention to stay and play in a casino, it is always a good thing to exit with a clean account than an exit due to being banned because of cheating.
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July 15, 2023, 05:04:40 PM
As a morally upright person that does not like to cheat people, but gambles and has lost a lot of money to gambling in a casino where you have sometimes been cheated even without your knowledge or betting on sports, will you take an opportunity you get and go against your moral standards to cheat a casino or sportsbetting place, just so you can win big at least even once.

Will you try a trick to win on casino game machines if you were told and it is a 100% working trick to cash out? Will you bet on fixed games if you get the tip early?

I would give an answer to this question, but many clarifications are needed for the initial conditions. What is cheating? If it's just a scam, then of course I wouldn't do it just like I wouldn't steal money or anything. Even if you do not take the moral side of the issue, the risk of going to jail is not worth the money. If cheating means finding some kind of casino/bookmaker error, then I would use it - it's their job not to make mistakes and I have no responsibility not to use their mistakes. If we are talking about fixed games, then of course not - these are all criminal schemes and do not differ from the first version that I wrote.
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July 15, 2023, 04:59:06 PM
Nothing new, people want to beat the system which is doing illegal things one of example is cheating to the gambling casino, we know how people are knowledgeable into computers especially with bots, and other formats or ways just to by pass the current system but of course the developers not called as developers if they cant see this hole in their system that might abuse by the players reason why some of the accounts came from cheaters and abusers getting freeze because of their illegal activities. They see gambling as easy money because of their knowledge but of course at the end there's a consequences of doing this kind of act.
Yeah, I agree such developers and gamblers always look for loops in the algorithms of the casino and then use such holes for gaining an advantage against the house. It is a matter of time to get the attention of the casino developers who gonna freeze account activity and maybe sue the user for such illegal activity. Anyways, nowadays casino managers do bug bounties for findings possible vulnerabilities and they send big rewards to the hunters, AFAIK. It is better to use dev skills on the related industries, IMO.
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July 15, 2023, 03:46:59 PM
As a morally upright person that does not like to cheat people, but gambles and has lost a lot of money to gambling in a casino where you have sometimes been cheated even without your knowledge or betting on sports, will you take an opportunity you get and go against your moral standards to cheat a casino or sportsbetting place, just so you can win big at least even once.

Will you try a trick to win on casino game machines if you were told and it is a 100% working trick to cash out? Will you bet on fixed games if you get the tip early?

I would not try to cheat at a casino where I regularly gambled at. The risk is too high of getting caught and banned which would mean I could no longer collect any future benefits and bonuses. For a small amount of money it would not be worth taking a chance but if there was an exploit like the one that was used to win thousands of Bitcoins from Primedice then it would be crazy to not consider it. Only for that kind of once in a lifetime type of opportunity would it be worth taking a chance.

I see through your double game, buddy. Unless there's a gold mine, there's no need to cheat. But I get what you mean. The prospect of being caught cheating and permanently banned is terrifying, especially if you're a regular player. It would be unfortunate to lose those generous bonuses. But, wait a minute, wouldn't it also be cheating to try to take advantage of a bug? Big money doesn't necessarily indicate a change in morality.

Listen, even if you find a way to make a lot of money by taking advantage of a loophole, your moral compass will keep nagging at you. In addition, you would likely get blacklisted from other casinos if you were detected (which is extremely likely). Keep your head on straight, man. I'll grant you that the 'once-in-a-lifetime' qualifier adds some flavour to your argument.
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July 15, 2023, 11:52:43 AM
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But what if you can get away with it? Because that's what I assume what OP is supposing in this scenario. If you could get away with taking advantage of the casino's bugs and glitches, or mayhaps a sleepy guard and a failed shuffle on a land casino, what would you do with it? Would you still not cheat cause "it's morally incorrect and my ethical standards aren't that low", or are you going to be tempted to cheat cause hey, that's a free win right there staring at you dead in the eye!

It's easy to dodge the dilemma by avoiding the argument and extrapolating the situation by including stuff that's in paper not within the bounds of the question anyway, just so your morality's not judged by the people here. But what matters most is actually providing a sensible answer to OP's questions, which I believe isn't even that hard in the first place.
It will be a moral issue for many people, and those who don't care about this will pick it up and try it for those free wins. But believe me, when you decide to take something that is not for you, other things will take yours without you even knowing it. So if you cheat, you may get cheated on other things later.

Cheating or not cheating at gambling is an individual decision, and I believe many people still don't want to cheat at casinos. They are better off playing as usual and not cheating, even though they know some bugs can be exploited by people, including them. It will be safe for them because they don't have to worry if what they are doing is found out by the casino.

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There is a good reason casinos and other services like exchanges are probably in favor of getting KYC information about all their users, anyways. In the unlikely case someone finds a bug or a glitch which allowed them to withdraw money to a private wallet which does not rightfully belong to them, then it is a good chance the casino or the exchange could identity and track down the person taking the money. Even if the person does not live in a first world country where he/she could be arrested easily, that person would live in fear for the rest of their days and unable to step on other countries where would be arrested. I think it would not be worth it to anyone in that position.

Notice how more exchanges have been pushing for complete KYC summit even during registration in these latest years...
There is a feeling of fear because he has done something that violates his conscience, and wants to continue hiding without anyone knowing about it. He can even become frustrated after successfully withdrawing money that isn't theirs because he knows that the casinos can track them down easily, find them, and bring them to justice. But some people would even use this opportunity for their benefit by taking all their money and running away. But it would be useless because the casino wouldn't let him and would look for him and take his money back.

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Well, you might be right about the security systems and teams of the casinos that are always ready to identify and catch cheating gamblers, but I don't really think that those who get the opportunity to cheat the casino will do it in a way that can be easily detected or caught by casino officials but it will be done in a way that they can't even know about it, and that is the main question about this topic that if you get such an opportunity, will you take it or not?

And to be honest, I don't think anyone would leave an opportunity like that where they are guaranteed to win some money and no one would even have a doubt about it or become suspicious that they did something that in a way cheated the casino but got them some money as a reward.
I am not going to take it and will let it go or I will report it to the casino. It's that simple. I don't think about cheating in the casino because it does no good. And it could have bad consequences for me one day. And some casinos will give prizes to people who can find the bug because they think they have done a lot of work helping the casino fix its system. We also often read that there are bounties for bug hunting given out by casinos to people who can find them. So it will benefit us by reporting it to the casino.
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July 15, 2023, 11:24:16 AM
Firstly the statement says as an upright person'' I think someone who is upright can never be a cheater or involve in anything of such. I do not think there is a way of manipulating in the online casino games nowadays due to how risky it is of damaging your profile and all of that...

casino is all about making money and sharing so it is advisable to accept loss then try again instead of being caught in the act of cheating then you lose every bonus and chances you had

If the gambler will caught for creating then one thing for sure he will have a bad reputation and also once we are playing in casino then why we cheat? For what? Because cheater is always the winner? But in reality once we are trying to cheat then karma is on the way which is there's a possible that once a cheater will caught his account will banned he can not withdraw all his winning money so it became useless.

Nothing new, people want to beat the system which is doing illegal things one of example is cheating to the gambling casino, we know how people are knowledgeable into computers especially with bots, and other formats or ways just to by pass the current system but of course the developers not called as developers if they cant see this hole in their system that might abuse by the players reason why some of the accounts came from cheaters and abusers getting freeze because of their illegal activities. They see gambling as easy money because of their knowledge but of course at the end there's a consequences of doing this kind of act.
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July 15, 2023, 10:35:31 AM
Firstly the statement says as an upright person'' I think someone who is upright can never be a cheater or involve in anything of such. I do not think there is a way of manipulating in the online casino games nowadays due to how risky it is of damaging your profile and all of that...

casino is all about making money and sharing so it is advisable to accept loss then try again instead of being caught in the act of cheating then you lose every bonus and chances you had

If the gambler will caught for creating then one thing for sure he will have a bad reputation and also once we are playing in casino then why we cheat? For what? Because cheater is always the winner? But in reality once we are trying to cheat then karma is on the way which is there's a possible that once a cheater will caught his account will banned he can not withdraw all his winning money so it became useless.
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July 15, 2023, 10:02:54 AM
Firstly the statement says as an upright person'' I think someone who is upright can never be a cheater or involve in anything of such. I do not think there is a way of manipulating in the online casino games nowadays due to how risky it is of damaging your profile and all of that...

casino is all about making money and sharing so it is advisable to accept loss then try again instead of being caught in the act of cheating then you lose every bonus and chances you had
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July 15, 2023, 06:53:55 AM
Nowadays, how to cheat in online gambling and casino is not possible. Nowadays online gambling and casinos are developed by software in such a way that you cannot cheat at will. If the traditional method is there it is possible to cheat because the traditional method does not have the important advantage of monitoring any advanced technology. So cheating can be done here but till date I have never cheated or been cheated in casino and gambling.
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July 15, 2023, 05:34:32 AM
As a morally upright person that does not like to cheat people, but gambles and has lost a lot of money to gambling in a casino where you have sometimes been cheated even without your knowledge or betting on sports, will you take an opportunity you get and go against your moral standards to cheat a casino or sportsbetting place, just so you can win big at least even once.

Will you try a trick to win on casino game machines if you were told and it is a 100% working trick to cash out? Will you bet on fixed games if you get the tip early?

I would not try to cheat at a casino where I regularly gambled at. The risk is too high of getting caught and banned which would mean I could no longer collect any future benefits and bonuses. For a small amount of money it would not be worth taking a chance but if there was an exploit like the one that was used to win thousands of Bitcoins from Primedice then it would be crazy to not consider it. Only for that kind of once in a lifetime type of opportunity would it be worth taking a chance.


Of course your name is at stake, you might get banned to any gambling places as they announced it to the public the thing that you did. There's already a thing like that where the casino made it to the news for the cheater to be mentioned so now in anywhere he goes, he is banned. Thing about gambling is about fun and the thrill effect on winning by just luck. Once you cheat is seems like you're already hustling just to earn some money. Which is I don't see anything bad since it's up to you. Plus you mentioned the benefits where in my casino near my place there's always a sack of rice for players so everytime I play, win or lose I'll have something to eat because the benefits fro the casino is actually good  Grin
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July 15, 2023, 05:21:15 AM
As a morally upright person that does not like to cheat people, but gambles and has lost a lot of money to gambling in a casino where you have sometimes been cheated even without your knowledge or betting on sports, will you take an opportunity you get and go against your moral standards to cheat a casino or sportsbetting place, just so you can win big at least even once.

Will you try a trick to win on casino game machines if you were told and it is a 100% working trick to cash out? Will you bet on fixed games if you get the tip early?
Casinos and gambling sites have sophisticated security measures in place to detect and prevent cheating. Engaging in such activities can lead to severe legal consequences, including criminal charges and being banned from gambling establishments. Cheating is ethically and morally wrong, regardless of the circumstances or previous losses one may have incurred. It is important to uphold integrity and fairness in all facet of life, including gambling. The thrill of winning should not come at the expense of compromising your values.
If you think/feel you've been cheated by a casino or gambling site, you should report to the right authorities for a follow up.
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July 15, 2023, 04:43:11 AM
Rather than cheating it is all about utilising the opportunity. It is really hard to win against the machines. There are people who are skilled enough to cheat the machines through learning. I don't have the patience to learn as well as try against the gambling machines that are completely focused on profit making. I will go with fixed bets, because in the past I've won with fixed bets information shared on our forum. I'm not sure how far the bet is real information or coincidence, but I was able to win a fixed bet.

You mean, betting on fixed matches? You mean, reading a "secret info" on some private forums and use it in your betting? You know, I personally don't it's cheating from the gambling sites' perspective. I think they can perfectly say "Be my guest. Utilize the info and make your bets." Firstly, because all that "secret info" is bullsh*t most of the time. And secondly because, unless you are betting such big amounts that can't be compensated by counter bets on the site, the site shouldn't care much. It will still get its house edge.
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July 15, 2023, 04:39:02 AM
As a morally upright person that does not like to cheat people, but gambles and has lost a lot of money to gambling in a casino where you have sometimes been cheated even without your knowledge or betting on sports, will you take an opportunity you get and go against your moral standards to cheat a casino or sportsbetting place, just so you can win big at least even once.

Will you try a trick to win on casino game machines if you were told and it is a 100% working trick to cash out? Will you bet on fixed games if you get the tip early?

even though it's unethical but if I know how to cheat slot machine in casino, I will try to do it (I'm curious and have a goal to get all the money lol)

but it will never be easy, the owner of the casino employs a lot of security officers to monitor all player activities, when fraud is detected, the player will immediately be expelled, fined and then banned from the casino, in essence the risk is not worth the possibility that will If you win, casino machines are designed to beat players, so when a player wins a jackpot, the casino owner will check it first.
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July 15, 2023, 04:28:59 AM
Gambling is totally based on luck. Cheating is a personal thing. If you bet online or in a bet, you won't be cheated. There is no chance of you being cheated in a bet. I was cheated once in a bet with someone. The opportunity came to cheat but I didn't do it. I was right in my place. People who do this kind of cheating are bad hearted people just looking for opportunity when and how to cheat. But you said cheating in casino. What is actually cheating in casino Chances are? Casinos are completely different from online betting. There is virtually no chance of cheating.
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