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Quote from: AicecreaME on July 03, 2023, 08:42:18 AM

Quote from: Strongkored on July 03, 2023, 06:56:43 AM

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I guess it's just a matter of integrity.

If you do feel that the casino is cheating on you, then it's time to lie low or perhaps stop gambling on it. It's better to choose your peace of mind over something you can't really control. Because if you accuse a casino of cheating, especially if it's a reputable site, you need to provide evidences for your claim. Merely telling it because of your gut feel won't make it true and won't be the basis of the authorities to evaluate them. You need to have receipts to prove it. Otherwise, you'll just be labeled as someone sabotaging their business and if the tables turned, maybe they might even file a slander case at you for tainting their name.

Additionally, with updated maintenance and strict monitoring of the activities of the players, these casino websites can easily detect unusual activities. If they detect your account, it might be flagged and be suspended so don't ever think of cheating especially if you have big funds in your wallet. Since once proven guilty, you have to adhere to their conditions that might included not recovering your account and fund again.

Your focus on "integrity" in casino fraud is excellent. Your narrative ignores power relationships. Casinos are in charge. They have advanced algorithms and security systems that can overwhelm a single player. This raises an ethical question: should individuals fight such an uneven power structure? You correctly emphasized the need for evidence when accusing. 'Evidentiary martyrdom' is an intriguing term. The accuser bears the burden of proof, typically at great personal cost. In addition, a suspended account could affect a person's livelihood, not just "big funds." Thus, while not cheating is important, we must equally consider the consequences for wrongfully suspended players.

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Quote from: lalabotax on June 24, 2023, 04:52:37 PM

If it's to win at odds, then maybe, if you can.. sometimes in gambling, profits will be more attractive than the ideal of being a fair player. because it's not certain that other gamblers or the odds will also be fair to us. let alone in gambling, even in games as usual there will usually be cheating activities, so this is not a taboo or new thing anymore

This is a poor excuse for cheating: "maybe they are also cheating us". Thieves often try to justify their actions by saying saying something like that. It doesn't work. Judges and people overall don't take their words into account. And rightly so. If you think a casino is cheating, stop playing there and open a scam accusation, but don't try to become a scammer yourself.

It's like I killed someone because I suspect he killed one of my relatives or tried to kill me. Even if it's proved that someone killed your relatives or attempted to kill you, you still cannot kill someone. There are laws in each county. You cannot make a decision based on just suspicion. You should have some proof to claim that he is a killer and should be punished.

Now, we don't know if some casinos were cheating on us. It's not easy for players to cheat a casino if they do not have some kind of bonus. If you find a loophole where you cheat the platform, it's not ethical to use it to take advantage. In this case, you are a cheater.

As the saying goes, you cannot rectify a mistake by making another mistake.

It might be true that casino and its top officials are cheating to the players and let's say that it was proven that they are guilty about that act but still, your decision is not a valid reason to commit a mistake just because they are doing it or everybody is doing it. You yourself know what is right and what is wrong, and you should take pride about that and so that you can be a role model to someone who is looking up on you. You never know.

This is the right virtue on dealing what’swrong or not but we are all talking about casino which players are very greedy to gain profit or else they will not be gambling and just work to earn profit. In real case scenario if there’s an opportunity like this, I think most of us here including those who have virtue like you mention will be tempted to try this method since it’s 100% working to cashout as stated by OP on his description to this scenario.

It’s really bad to this but I think greedy people especially those who lose big time will not think twice to use this method because we are all human after all. No one will knew what you are doing because it’s online so the chance of people that will do this is very high.

I'm quite sure that at least 90 percent of the gamblers will definitely take advantage if there is a situation where they can bet on games that guarantees their wins, because why not? The situation is already presented to you and it's not everyday that you can have this chance, and it's not that everybody knows about it.

Gamblers will always be a gamblers and at the end of the day, they will use and find some means to have a win as that is also their goal in the first place as to why they are gambling. Unless if you are that kind of gambler who doesn't care about the wins and losses because you are only there for entertainment purposes.

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Quote from: Strongkored on July 03, 2023, 06:56:43 AM

Quote from: Outhue on July 03, 2023, 01:11:36 AM

It's funny how some.comments are referring to casinos cheating too so there is nothing wrong if you cheat back? Like who is cheating who? You knew this all along and you still decide to gamble on the casinos? I think that's the most lame excuse I've heard this far.

That's a pretty strange thought indeed when people think that casinos are stealing or cheating and players feel entitled to do the same and what's more strange is that they do it not at the casino that has committed the fraud but at other casinos.

But the question is, if there really is a way to cheat a casino then why not do it at a casino that has been proven to have taken a lot of player's money or is committing a scam? even casinos like that still exist and continue to cheat meaning that there will never be a 100% way that can work perfectly to cheat the casino, they have a detection system and it will not appear on the account of the player who is trying to cheat, they will only see their account on ban after proven fraudulent.
Cheating because you feel cheated is just as stupid as thinking you can cheat the casino and there are ways that work 100% of the time.

I guess it's just a matter of integrity.

If you do feel that the casino is cheating on you, then it's time to lie low or perhaps stop gambling on it. It's better to choose your peace of mind over something you can't really control. Because if you accuse a casino of cheating, especially if it's a reputable site, you need to provide evidences for your claim. Merely telling it because of your gut feel won't make it true and won't be the basis of the authorities to evaluate them. You need to have receipts to prove it. Otherwise, you'll just be labeled as someone sabotaging their business and if the tables turned, maybe they might even file a slander case at you for tainting their name.

Additionally, with updated maintenance and strict monitoring of the activities of the players, these casino websites can easily detect unusual activities. If they detect your account, it might be flagged and be suspended so don't ever think of cheating especially if you have big funds in your wallet. Since once proven guilty, you have to adhere to their conditions that might included not recovering your account and fund again.

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Quote from: Outhue on July 03, 2023, 01:11:36 AM

It's funny how some.comments are referring to casinos cheating too so there is nothing wrong if you cheat back? Like who is cheating who? You knew this all along and you still decide to gamble on the casinos? I think that's the most lame excuse I've heard this far.

That's a pretty strange thought indeed when people think that casinos are stealing or cheating and players feel entitled to do the same and what's more strange is that they do it not at the casino that has committed the fraud but at other casinos.

But the question is, if there really is a way to cheat a casino then why not do it at a casino that has been proven to have taken a lot of player's money or is committing a scam? even casinos like that still exist and continue to cheat meaning that there will never be a 100% way that can work perfectly to cheat the casino, they have a detection system and it will not appear on the account of the player who is trying to cheat, they will only see their account on ban after proven fraudulent.
Cheating because you feel cheated is just as stupid as thinking you can cheat the casino and there are ways that work 100% of the time.

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Quote from: Stepstowealth on June 22, 2023, 10:12:12 AM

Will you try a trick to win on casino game machines if you were told and it is a 100% working trick to cash out? Will you bet on fixed games if you get the tip early?

Of course, I will if I was 100 percent sure that it was a win but in my betting experience here online, I have never encountered a scenario where someone offered me to bet on a certain team because the game was fixed.

On offline gambling like cockfighting, there you can see lots of cheating that an ordinary cockfighting enthusiast won't detect. Examples of these cheatings are the blades used on one bird being dull so it can't kill the supposed to be the winner, on that fight alone someone could win several thousand dollars if not caught.

Bottom line, when you are gambling, cheating is an option if it is given because our objective is to get that money so it's the job of the casino or other platform to protect themselves from this modus.

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Quote from: Outhue on July 03, 2023, 01:11:36 AM

It's funny how some.comments are referring to casinos cheating too so there is nothing wrong if you cheat back? Like who is cheating who? You knew this all along and you still decide to gamble on the casinos? I think that's the most lame excuse I've heard this far.

You guys are just trying to justify your point that stealing and cheating is not that bad, what is bad has no other names, it's called BAD, and stealing is stealing, there is no good stealing and bad stealing, if someone cheats you or steal from you, you don't do the same back to make it look justified, you either get them arrested or you go through a lawful process to get your justice back.

If you think or believe that casinos are robbing people, you should stop using any to gamble and find something else, do not say that they are robbing you after you have lost many rounds of your bets, that's an impoverished point.

But that's the truth. Maybe there are still people who try to cheat the casino because they think they have lost a lot of money and never win and they think the casino is cheating them in every game they play. They think cheating in the casino is okay because it already earns much money from the other members who lose. So they do just that especially when they get into that by using "this," they can win big money from the casino. But it is not.

And it's up to us to decide for ourselves because we also live it. Hopefully, we never think of stealing and just trying to enjoy gambling.

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It's funny how some.comments are referring to casinos cheating too so there is nothing wrong if you cheat back? Like who is cheating who? You knew this all along and you still decide to gamble on the casinos? I think that's the most lame excuse I've heard this far.

You guys are just trying to justify your point that stealing and cheating is not that bad, what is bad has no other names, it's called BAD, and stealing is stealing, there is no good stealing and bad stealing, if someone cheats you or steal from you, you don't do the same back to make it look justified, you either get them arrested or you go through a lawful process to get your justice back.

If you think or believe that casinos are robbing people, you should stop using any to gamble and find something else, do not say that they are robbing you after you have lost many rounds of your bets, that's an impoverished point.

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Quote from: mirakal on July 02, 2023, 02:58:23 PM

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It's like I killed someone because I suspect he killed one of my relatives or tried to kill me. Even if it's proved that someone killed your relatives or attempted to kill you, you still cannot kill someone. There are laws in each county. You cannot make a decision based on just suspicion. You should have some proof to claim that he is a killer and should be punished.

Now, we don't know if some casinos were cheating on us. It's not easy for players to cheat a casino if they do not have some kind of bonus. If you find a loophole where you cheat the platform, it's not ethical to use it to take advantage. In this case, you are a cheater.

As the saying goes, you cannot rectify a mistake by making another mistake.

It might be true that casino and its top officials are cheating to the players and let's say that it was proven that they are guilty about that act but still, your decision is not a valid reason to commit a mistake just because they are doing it or everybody is doing it. You yourself know what is right and what is wrong, and you should take pride about that and so that you can be a role model to someone who is looking up on you. You never know.

Well, it's not proven that every casino does that. Otherwise won't choose online casinos to gamble. Only some shady casinos might cheat their players. But sometimes, it's impossible to prove the accusation. Sometimes you see you get red bets every time you place a max bet. As an ordinary player, you can't check if their game is fair. Recently I read an old thread where a casino was accused of using unfair technology for their games. The casino's name was Wixiplay, or a similar name to Play.

It was possible to prove this because someone with coding knowledge checked their platform. Otherwise, you don't know if a platform is cheating on you. If it's proven that a casino is cheating with players, you can report it to their license provider and the forum. But it would be best if you didn't cheat them instead.

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Quote from: Chikito on July 01, 2023, 09:53:10 PM

Quote from: traderethereum on July 01, 2023, 09:00:39 AM

But for people who don't want to cheat the system, they will report it to the casino that many people do cheating.
That will depend on each people what they want to do with that and if they think cheating is a bad thing, they will not follow others instead will play as usual.

It's like a mission impossible if don't have a benefit to it. I often find the casino just says thanks if someone finds a vulnerable system on their gambling site. Even if it is very important, the casino doesn't give him any reward or maybe a free bet or something. I think the casino management should think about this. Apart to find out the vulnerabilities, the bounty bug program and review site are good for getting many customers also. The casino must open to any report and must give the prize if someone finds the vulnerability system.

I doubt any casino would reward you for finding out an issue with their operating system that can be exploited by their customers but some casino do give out bonuses on review program carried out on their site and a couple of them are already using this strategy as you have already stated that its also a means of acquiring more customers to the website. Megapari just hosted something similar to this and I know this will indeed attract a lot of new gamblers to the website.

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I never thought arbitrage betting would be a ban, all the bets are valid so surprised if thats especially a thing. I guess in combination with other ideas, use of bonuses and welcome offers on some gambling sites it can lead to the site not making the profits they thought they might perhaps. This is not what I would call cheating, is use of maths cheating or thinking about how you make a range of bets I dont see thats anything unacceptable as not everyone will bet in the same way.

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Quote from: Nrcewker on July 01, 2023, 10:03:26 PM

Quote from: Stepstowealth on June 22, 2023, 10:12:12 AM

As a morally upright person that does not like to cheat people, but gambles and has lost a lot of money to gambling in a casino where you have sometimes been cheated even without your knowledge or betting on sports, will you take an opportunity you get and go against your moral standards to cheat a casino or sportsbetting place, just so you can win big at least even once.

Will you try a trick to win on casino game machines if you were told and it is a 100% working trick to cash out? Will you bet on fixed games if you get the tip early?

There are very less ways through which you can cheat any casino or gambling sites. I would not say exactly as cheating, but yes you can just increase your chances of winning through it. If Arbitage betting and betting on fixed games considered as cheating, then yes, many people are doing it and they will continue to do it so. But often in these type of events, the bet amount is limited to very small size, so even if you want to cheat the casino, the casino is smart enough to allow you to bet 100 USD Max.

some people say arbitrage betting as a strategy to increase the chances of making a profit from each bet and some people also say this is a way to cheat the casino and in the end those who are detected doing arbitrage betting can not only make a max bet of $100 but will also be banned in every sportbook. so there is no chance that gamblers will cheat the casino over and over again because the system is always smarter to detect any cheating involved in gambling and the casinos have the power to prohibit such cheating.
and I'm not surprised that gamblers who still do arbitrage are always looking for ways to continue to benefit from the casino because greedy human nature will always be there.

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Quote from: Betwrong on July 01, 2023, 04:38:42 AM

Quote from: lalabotax on June 24, 2023, 04:52:37 PM

If it's to win at odds, then maybe, if you can.. sometimes in gambling, profits will be more attractive than the ideal of being a fair player. because it's not certain that other gamblers or the odds will also be fair to us. let alone in gambling, even in games as usual there will usually be cheating activities, so this is not a taboo or new thing anymore

This is a poor excuse for cheating: "maybe they are also cheating us". Thieves often try to justify their actions by saying saying something like that. It doesn't work. Judges and people overall don't take their words into account. And rightly so. If you think a casino is cheating, stop playing there and open a scam accusation, but don't try to become a scammer yourself.

It's like I killed someone because I suspect he killed one of my relatives or tried to kill me. Even if it's proved that someone killed your relatives or attempted to kill you, you still cannot kill someone. There are laws in each county. You cannot make a decision based on just suspicion. You should have some proof to claim that he is a killer and should be punished.

Now, we don't know if some casinos were cheating on us. It's not easy for players to cheat a casino if they do not have some kind of bonus. If you find a loophole where you cheat the platform, it's not ethical to use it to take advantage. In this case, you are a cheater.

As the saying goes, you cannot rectify a mistake by making another mistake.

It might be true that casino and its top officials are cheating to the players and let's say that it was proven that they are guilty about that act but still, your decision is not a valid reason to commit a mistake just because they are doing it or everybody is doing it. You yourself know what is right and what is wrong, and you should take pride about that and so that you can be a role model to someone who is looking up on you. You never know.

This is the right virtue on dealing what’swrong or not but we are all talking about casino which players are very greedy to gain profit or else they will not be gambling and just work to earn profit. In real case scenario if there’s an opportunity like this, I think most of us here including those who have virtue like you mention will be tempted to try this method since it’s 100% working to cashout as stated by OP on his description to this scenario.

It’s really bad to this but I think greedy people especially those who lose big time will not think twice to use this method because we are all human after all. No one will knew what you are doing because it’s online so the chance of people that will do this is very high.

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Quote from: Learn Bitcoin on July 01, 2023, 09:07:15 AM

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Quote from: lalabotax on June 24, 2023, 04:52:37 PM

If it's to win at odds, then maybe, if you can.. sometimes in gambling, profits will be more attractive than the ideal of being a fair player. because it's not certain that other gamblers or the odds will also be fair to us. let alone in gambling, even in games as usual there will usually be cheating activities, so this is not a taboo or new thing anymore

This is a poor excuse for cheating: "maybe they are also cheating us". Thieves often try to justify their actions by saying saying something like that. It doesn't work. Judges and people overall don't take their words into account. And rightly so. If you think a casino is cheating, stop playing there and open a scam accusation, but don't try to become a scammer yourself.

It's like I killed someone because I suspect he killed one of my relatives or tried to kill me. Even if it's proved that someone killed your relatives or attempted to kill you, you still cannot kill someone. There are laws in each county. You cannot make a decision based on just suspicion. You should have some proof to claim that he is a killer and should be punished.

Now, we don't know if some casinos were cheating on us. It's not easy for players to cheat a casino if they do not have some kind of bonus. If you find a loophole where you cheat the platform, it's not ethical to use it to take advantage. In this case, you are a cheater.

As the saying goes, you cannot rectify a mistake by making another mistake.

It might be true that casino and its top officials are cheating to the players and let's say that it was proven that they are guilty about that act but still, your decision is not a valid reason to commit a mistake just because they are doing it or everybody is doing it. You yourself know what is right and what is wrong, and you should take pride about that and so that you can be a role model to someone who is looking up on you. You never know.

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Quote from: Chikito on July 01, 2023, 09:53:10 PM

Quote from: traderethereum on July 01, 2023, 09:00:39 AM

But for people who don't want to cheat the system, they will report it to the casino that many people do cheating.
That will depend on each people what they want to do with that and if they think cheating is a bad thing, they will not follow others instead will play as usual.

It's like a mission impossible if don't have a benefit to it. I often find the casino just says thanks if someone finds a vulnerable system on their gambling site. Even if it is very important, the casino doesn't give him any reward or maybe a free bet or something. I think the casino management should think about this. Apart to find out the vulnerabilities, the bounty bug program and review site are good for getting many customers also. The casino must open to any report and must give the prize if someone finds the vulnerability system.

That is why those bug bounty hunters are only joining those that have rewards, but if they find a vulnerability, others will really exploit it, and if others find it, they will report it. But that is the problem if those owners don't give some rewards to others. That is why those who find it are mostly exploiting it as they can earn from it rather than being white hats. Though that is really the life of a bug bounty hunter, others will give others a damn about it.

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Quote from: Chikito on July 01, 2023, 09:53:10 PM

Quote from: traderethereum on July 01, 2023, 09:00:39 AM

But for people who don't want to cheat the system, they will report it to the casino that many people do cheating.
That will depend on each people what they want to do with that and if they think cheating is a bad thing, they will not follow others instead will play as usual.

It's like a mission impossible if don't have a benefit to it. I often find the casino just says thanks if someone finds a vulnerable system on their gambling site. Even if it is very important, the casino doesn't give him any reward or maybe a free bet or something. I think the casino management should think about this. Apart to find out the vulnerabilities, the bounty bug program and review site are good for getting many customers also. The casino must open to any report and must give the prize if someone finds the vulnerability system.

At least the casino management can reward people who find bugs because they have taken the time to find and report them to the casino.
But it seems the casino didn't give it to the guy and just a thank you so it seems people won't be interested in helping the casino in finding other bugs and instead, maybe they will use the bugs for their own purposes.
If that's the case, the real losers will be the casino because they have to go into more detail to find those bugs and fix them and the casino can also get another attack if someone finds the other bugs.
It will give the casino an opportunity to immediately fix the flawed system so that it will not have a serious impact on the casino.
But it will depend on the casino because I think the casino can appreciate those who find those bugs and reward them with thanks.

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Quote from: Stepstowealth on June 22, 2023, 10:12:12 AM

As a morally upright person that does not like to cheat people, but gambles and has lost a lot of money to gambling in a casino where you have sometimes been cheated even without your knowledge or betting on sports, will you take an opportunity you get and go against your moral standards to cheat a casino or sportsbetting place, just so you can win big at least even once.

Will you try a trick to win on casino game machines if you were told and it is a 100% working trick to cash out? Will you bet on fixed games if you get the tip early?

There are very less ways through which you can cheat any casino or gambling sites. I would not say exactly as cheating, but yes you can just increase your chances of winning through it. If Arbitage betting and betting on fixed games considered as cheating, then yes, many people are doing it and they will continue to do it so. But often in these type of events, the bet amount is limited to very small size, so even if you want to cheat the casino, the casino is smart enough to allow you to bet 100 USD Max.

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Quote from: traderethereum on July 01, 2023, 09:00:39 AM

But for people who don't want to cheat the system, they will report it to the casino that many people do cheating.
That will depend on each people what they want to do with that and if they think cheating is a bad thing, they will not follow others instead will play as usual.

It's like a mission impossible if don't have a benefit to it. I often find the casino just says thanks if someone finds a vulnerable system on their gambling site. Even if it is very important, the casino doesn't give him any reward or maybe a free bet or something. I think the casino management should think about this. Apart to find out the vulnerabilities, the bounty bug program and review site are good for getting many customers also. The casino must open to any report and must give the prize if someone finds the vulnerability system.

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Quote from: Betwrong on July 01, 2023, 04:38:42 AM

Quote from: lalabotax on June 24, 2023, 04:52:37 PM

If it's to win at odds, then maybe, if you can.. sometimes in gambling, profits will be more attractive than the ideal of being a fair player. because it's not certain that other gamblers or the odds will also be fair to us. let alone in gambling, even in games as usual there will usually be cheating activities, so this is not a taboo or new thing anymore

This is a poor excuse for cheating: "maybe they are also cheating us". Thieves often try to justify their actions by saying saying something like that. It doesn't work. Judges and people overall don't take their words into account. And rightly so. If you think a casino is cheating, stop playing there and open a scam accusation, but don't try to become a scammer yourself.

This is the right approach since “two wrongs do not make a right”, basically even if we could demonstrate the casino in question was cheating us in some way or form that does not give us the right to cheat them in return, not only that will put us at their level and makes us a cheater, but there could still be legal consequences as casinos have a lot of money and maybe they even have your personal information and could pursue legal actions against those that cheat them.

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Quote from: Betwrong on July 01, 2023, 04:38:42 AM

Quote from: lalabotax on June 24, 2023, 04:52:37 PM

If it's to win at odds, then maybe, if you can.. sometimes in gambling, profits will be more attractive than the ideal of being a fair player. because it's not certain that other gamblers or the odds will also be fair to us. let alone in gambling, even in games as usual there will usually be cheating activities, so this is not a taboo or new thing anymore

This is a poor excuse for cheating: "maybe they are also cheating us". Thieves often try to justify their actions by saying saying something like that. It doesn't work. Judges and people overall don't take their words into account. And rightly so. If you think a casino is cheating, stop playing there and open a scam accusation, but don't try to become a scammer yourself.

It's like I killed someone because I suspect he killed one of my relatives or tried to kill me. Even if it's proved that someone killed your relatives or attempted to kill you, you still cannot kill someone. There are laws in each county. You cannot make a decision based on just suspicion. You should have some proof to claim that he is a killer and should be punished.

Now, we don't know if some casinos were cheating on us. It's not easy for players to cheat a casino if they do not have some kind of bonus. If you find a loophole where you cheat the platform, it's not ethical to use it to take advantage. In this case, you are a cheater.

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Quote from: Russlenat on June 30, 2023, 07:02:23 AM

There are some instaces that we don't know that we are cheating already because of some specific scenarios where we are just taking advantage of the games that are exploited or rigged. Although we don't know if it's indeed guaranteed but if you as a gambler who wants easy money, there is a huge chance that you will also join it as who wouldn't want to increase their chances.

Perhaps, some people will try it to benefit from the tricks they get.
But that would be risky because if the casino found out about it, it would give those people a penalty and even ban their accounts.
And even though the trick is not guaranteed, people will still try it because they aim to win, so they will use all kinds of ways to achieve their goals.
But for people who don't want to cheat the system, they will report it to the casino that many people do cheating.
That will depend on each people what they want to do with that and if they think cheating is a bad thing, they will not follow others instead will play as usual.

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