Will you depend on game predictions by supercomputers?

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Quote from: Nwada001 on May 01, 2024, 06:28:32 PM

Quote from: FortuneFollower on April 08, 2024, 08:34:54 PM

I might consider a supercomputer's predictions, but there's something about the unpredictability of games that makes them exciting. Besides, adding a bit of human intuition to the mix has never hurt. Let’s just say, I’d take the advice but sprinkle a little of my own magic on top!

Exactly that prediction you added with your own head is what shows that the person knows what he or she is doing. Relying on machine prediction 100% won't lead the person anywhere; instead, it will make you place a bet on a game you don't even understand.

The more one predicts their own personal game using the machine prediction to see if they are in line, sometimes you completely abandon those machines suggestions and work on yourself. That way, you can discover a strategy that can work for you. Self-development is better than relying on outside help.

The ironic thing about all of this is that there are some people that are looking to use AI in order to not have to learn anything about gambling, however how do they pretend to teach their AI to make accurate predictions if they cannot make those predictions on their own?

The great advantage of an AI is that it could allow you to make predictions way faster than what you could do by hand, and it could also allow you to analyze more matches and improve your profitability this way, however it should be very difficult for a person to create an AI that can predict any outcome better than what they can do on their own.

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Quote from: FortuneFollower on April 08, 2024, 08:34:54 PM

I might consider a supercomputer's predictions, but there's something about the unpredictability of games that makes them exciting. Besides, adding a bit of human intuition to the mix has never hurt. Let’s just say, I’d take the advice but sprinkle a little of my own magic on top!

Exactly that prediction you added with your own head is what shows that the person knows what he or she is doing. Relying on machine prediction 100% won't lead the person anywhere; instead, it will make you place a bet on a game you don't even understand.

The more one predicts their own personal game using the machine prediction to see if they are in line, sometimes you completely abandon those machines suggestions and work on yourself. That way, you can discover a strategy that can work for you. Self-development is better than relying on outside help.

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I don't think it's a bad idea to use predictions from these "supercomputers". Is it reliable? You'll have to test it on for a longer period to know that. I mean nobody has a perfect win rate and it would be naive to think that AIs can get it right all the time too. I'm pretty sure many of us here were also thinking LFC would win when they were leading the table at some point.

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Quote from: joniboini on May 01, 2024, 10:07:40 AM

To be fair we don't really need out-of-the-box thinking to predict which side will win a game, that's just how prediction inherently works. No amount of data can predict the future accurately, regardless of the algorithm that you used. I mean, I guess you can create some randomness to mimick how real people behave, but it will take tons of data for the same probability of making a wrong bet since the game can easily get affected by other things.

Every gambler will predict the game based on their skills and knowledge.The experienced gamblers always different one compared to the new gamblers,the random betting mostly done by the new gamblers in the gambling site.So they trends to loss the game,but they should take responsibility of loss by using this to learn more about the gambling site.Using this knowledge one can earn the money in the future games in the gambling site.The gamblers who are ready to play the gambling with the both of the gambling possibility,So don't get more emotional weak after the loss in the gambling site.

Quote from: joniboini on May 01, 2024, 10:07:40 AM

On the other hand, stats are flawed in this case since they don't take into account that humans are playing the game, not every team is the same even though their name is "Bayern Munich" since the 90s, for example. CMIIW.

The gamblers playing the game with their statics,but the algorithm will change with respect to time.Some gamblers use the bot help to play the gambling game,but the winning or loss of the game will be find after the betting was made.The betting was made with the own tactics sometimes,Only few was successful in the game.

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Quote from: sokani on April 27, 2024, 09:02:04 AM

This post was made on the 8th of April and from the turn of events in the both the EPL and the UEFA champions league, the supercomputer got the predictions wrong. While we've seen how impactful Artificial Intelligence is in transforming various sectors of the economy, they also have their limitations. Prediction are guesses, AI picks random data and comes up with a result. Looking at the EPL take right now, it'll take a miracle for Liverpool to win the league, the outcome of the above mentioned leagues is a good reason why we shouldn't base our gambling predictions on AI.

I agree with you and indeed, even though everything is made as well as possible and the quality of artificial intelligence is well developed, there will always be failures in terms of predicting the results of a sports competition.
Accumulation will only be based on the performance of team at certain time, just like supercomputer or AI has an accumulation in predicting results that will only be based on the quality of the team when the artificial intelligence is working with is going on.
It is clear that Liverpool is predicted to have big chance of winning the Premier League title because at that time Liverpool performed very well and managed to top the standings and Manchester City is predicted to have a big chance of winning the UCL because they were champions and are still in good form.
But in reality everything failed, what was shown did not succeed in showing accurate results and if artificial intelligence was used again now then what would be shown would be much different from before.
I really surprised if anyone trusts artificial intelligence enough to predict the outcome of competition, it just temporary accumulation with no guarantee whatsoever.

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Quote from: redsun114 on May 01, 2024, 06:15:10 AM

No matter how advanced an AI model might become, it will always work in the same way and that way is that it will process data that has been fed to it and generate answers and results based on that, it doesn't have a brain to think and come up with something new or think out of the box.

To be fair we don't really need out-of-the-box thinking to predict which side will win a game, that's just how prediction inherently works. No amount of data can predict the future accurately, regardless of the algorithm that you used. I mean, I guess you can create some randomness to mimick how real people behave, but it will take tons of data for the same probability of making a wrong bet since the game can easily get affected by other things. On the other hand, stats are flawed in this case since they don't take into account that humans are playing the game, not every team is the same even though their name is "Bayern Munich" since the 90s, for example. CMIIW.

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Quote from: cabron on April 08, 2024, 04:46:47 PM

If the last prediction where it says Liverpool will win and did happen then it might just be a coincidence but if the 2nd time Manchester City will win, I think there is got to be truth to this supercomputer you are saying. But why don't you try betting to see if it predicts right?

It's been talked about that AI in sports betting might just be useful for us but I didn't expect it to happen so soon. I am assuming the AIs will need to pull data from millions of bettors and pick the bettors who have been predicting winners all the time and that's what AIs will predict as the outcome as well.

This is exactly what I am thinking as well. Winnings through AI prediction is for me a coincidence of some sort because if that is legit then gambling platforms might get bankrupt if every single bettor uses AI and supercomputers to predict the outcome of the specific game. And I personally never heard of such news where in someone got a winning streak through AI predictions so yeah it's all a coincidence.

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Quote from: sokani on April 27, 2024, 09:02:04 AM

This post was made on the 8th of April and from the turn of events in the both the EPL and the UEFA champions league, the supercomputer got the predictions wrong. While we've seen how impactful Artificial Intelligence is in transforming various sectors of the economy, they also have their limitations. Prediction are guesses, AI picks random data and comes up with a result. Looking at the EPL take right now, it'll take a miracle for Liverpool to win the league, the outcome of the above mentioned leagues is a good reason why we shouldn't base our gambling predictions on AI.

Strong take and I have to agree with it.
When it comes to prediction AI's cannot defeat the powers that humans have. Instincts. Sure, they will use game history, results, player's strength, and more, but those are just numbers that tell the outcome of the past games and not the now. Anything can happen and I have seen worse unexpected results happen in the sports industry many times.
There's a simple reason why even a heavy underdog can win a game. Both have professional players. Let's not forget this. The opponent of the strong team will always be pros and that means they can also defeat the favorites even if the odds show that they cannot. Too much underestimation can lead to many mistakes.

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Quote from: 348Judah on April 30, 2024, 01:39:39 PM

I don't see any reason why i should depend my game on the use of any high definition computer system, i like making my gambling games all by myself, not because i don't see such as being fun to do with, but i consider using my own experience in making prediction in other for me to be able to assess myself well and understand more about playing a particular game in gambling, we don't have to be too dependent on its for our gambling experience, predictions are things we also can do if we are knowledgeable in gambling experience.

Precisely! that's also one of my thoughts about this, it is not required that we depend on what the system's prediction will be, about what will happen during the gambling session. As a person with trust issues, I rarely trust such a process, I would rather lose using my own predictions than lose because I followed what the system indicates, at least if I follow my own predictions and instincts, I have no one to blame but only myself. When it comes to gambling, that's why it's called gambling, right? You have to take a risk on what you will follow or choose, but you should know the possible consequences once you take a risk, and you need to have a full heart in the decision you choose.

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Quote from: sokani on April 27, 2024, 09:02:04 AM

This post was made on the 8th of April and from the turn of events in the both the EPL and the UEFA champions league, the supercomputer got the predictions wrong. While we've seen how impactful Artificial Intelligence is in transforming various sectors of the economy, they also have their limitations. Prediction are guesses, AI picks random data and comes up with a result. Looking at the EPL take right now, it'll take a miracle for Liverpool to win the league, the outcome of the above mentioned leagues is a good reason why we shouldn't base our gambling predictions on AI.

Even before this, it has always been evident that Artificial Intelligence isn't reliable when it comes to making bets on sports events and a lot of other stuff, and even the developers of certain AI models give this warning when you use their products that the generated answers are not always accurate and reliable. One should double-check the information before using it somewhere else, and this applies to predictions regarding sports events as well.

No matter how advanced an AI model might become, it will always work in the same way and that way is that it will process data that has been fed to it and generate answers and results based on that, it doesn't have a brain to think and come up with something new or think out of the box.

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I don't see any reason why i should depend my game on the use of any high definition computer system, i like making my gambling games all by myself, not because i don't see such as being fun to do with, but i consider using my own experience in making prediction in other for me to be able to assess myself well and understand more about playing a particular game in gambling, we don't have to be too dependent on its for our gambling experience, predictions are things we also can do if we are knowledgeable in gambling experience.

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Quote from: FanEagle on April 29, 2024, 01:02:05 PM

Not really, that never feels like a possibility for me. If there is a sport that has humans involved, then we could end up with anything at random and this is why I believe that we are not going to get anything like this working, because computers will just give you the probability, and no probability is 100%, we will never have that. We are going to end up with computers telling us which team is the better team or which player is the best player but we are not going to get the winner all the time.

Obviously we will have to check, if you have this kind of computer, and make a test where you see 100 bets of the computer, and calculate if you would be in profit or not if you followed its advice, then you may see that it was profitable and you could maybe start using after that.

And these supercomputers are also relying on all the stats that are available online. It's a big help because it makes quick and reliable research but as what you mentioned, the supercomputer will provide probabilities which means even the slightest 1% underdog also has a chance of winning. In sports there are days when a player has an off-night while there are also days when non-superstars perform like superstars.

Supercomputers predictions have higher chances of winning when games are broken down specifically. It's just too difficult to predict who will become the champion in a league consists of 30 or more teams.

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Quote from: Fiatless on April 08, 2024, 04:30:49 PM

Do you think these predictions are reliable?

Nothing will ever be 101% reliable when it comes to sports prediction. Supercomputers (AI) or humans can have higher or lower winning rates, so that means you can't fully trust any prediction, especially not with all in (money you can't afford to lose).

I like to follow predictions from some people & sites (those are probably AI-generated), but when I do that it's because I agree with those predictions and I think they are good for trying, and I never follow them with some big amounts of money. I can't summarize my betting history because I don't keep any stats, so all I can say is that I have some good wins from following predictions from others, but I also faced constructive losses... when all my bets failed in the last minutes, or for one goal.

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On the question of Will you depend on game predictions by supercomputers? my answer is some but not the majority of my bet, the horse racing program I'm using has human and AI predictions and on comparison, both have their flaws, humans have an instinct and that instinct is something you develop when you keep on beating the same sports and that instinct cannot be found on AI, they are straightforward based on available data.

On horse racing there is a last-minute buzz and humans based on instinct and fast analysis can figure it out easily, like when a trainer creates a buzz that the favorite is not feeling well and you as a bettor can easily tell if he is bluffing or not,

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Not really, that never feels like a possibility for me. If there is a sport that has humans involved, then we could end up with anything at random and this is why I believe that we are not going to get anything like this working, because computers will just give you the probability, and no probability is 100%, we will never have that. We are going to end up with computers telling us which team is the better team or which player is the best player but we are not going to get the winner all the time.

Obviously we will have to check, if you have this kind of computer, and make a test where you see 100 bets of the computer, and calculate if you would be in profit or not if you followed its advice, then you may see that it was profitable and you could maybe start using after that.

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Quote from: Fiatless on April 08, 2024, 04:30:49 PM

Do you think these predictions are reliable?

These supercomputers are created in the concept of probability made easy, their analysis relies heavily on the data provided on their database, and some circumstances are not within their scope like if the major player of one team is injured and cannot play at the last minute.

Another one is in boxing, the Haney - Garcia fight. In all probability humans and AI point to Haney but when it comes to the fight night there are tiny details that are not taken into account, which resulted in Garcia beating Haney.

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Quote from: sokani on April 27, 2024, 09:02:04 AM

This post was made on the 8th of April and from the turn of events in the both the EPL and the UEFA champions league, the supercomputer got the predictions wrong. While we've seen how impactful Artificial Intelligence is in transforming various sectors of the economy, they also have their limitations. Prediction are guesses, AI picks random data and comes up with a result. Looking at the EPL take right now, it'll take a miracle for Liverpool to win the league, the outcome of the above mentioned leagues is a good reason why we shouldn't base our gambling predictions on AI.

This is the proof that they can’t predict the future precisely, as they are also depending on the previous data available and of course, no one can predict the future even the AIs. If AI or even the supercomputer succeeded on this one, do you think gambling industry can stay longer where everyone can easily use the AI prediction and get it right? This is still too good to be true and even if its on sports betting, I still believe that predictions are predictions, no one can give you any guarantee on this.

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Quote from: sokani on April 27, 2024, 09:02:04 AM

This post was made on the 8th of April and from the turn of events in the both the EPL and the UEFA champions league, the supercomputer got the predictions wrong. While we've seen how impactful Artificial Intelligence is in transforming various sectors of the economy, they also have their limitations. Prediction are guesses, AI picks random data and comes up with a result. Looking at the EPL take right now, it'll take a miracle for Liverpool to win the league, the outcome of the above mentioned leagues is a good reason why we shouldn't base our gambling predictions on AI.

Supercomputers and computers in general rely on statistics and mathematics in order to get their predictions. These machines tend to forget to add in the human element in a lot of sports which is very crucial to the outcome of each match. Factors such as injuries and team morale are things that aren't easily expressed in math, so supercomputers won't be able to factor it in their computations.

I'd rather believe in my own predictions and be wrong rather than believe in AI predictions and be wrong without putting my input into any of the decision that was made.

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This post was made on the 8th of April and from the turn of events in the both the EPL and the UEFA champions league, the supercomputer got the predictions wrong. While we've seen how impactful Artificial Intelligence is in transforming various sectors of the economy, they also have their limitations. Prediction are guesses, AI picks random data and comes up with a result. Looking at the EPL take right now, it'll take a miracle for Liverpool to win the league, the outcome of the above mentioned leagues is a good reason why we shouldn't base our gambling predictions on AI.

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Quote from: Fiatless on April 08, 2024, 04:30:49 PM

We are in an era where artificial intelligence and supercomputers can perform many tasks accurately. We have reports of some AI tools passing law school examinations and some of them have performed some complex surgeries in the medical field. With these technological tools, the word impossible is gradually becoming obsolete.

Al can assist in all areas because it has been programmed for to carry the respective duties but when it comes to gambling the prediction of Al is not certain because gambling can never be predicted. Al does not have the real sense to tell what will happen in the future. If Al predict gambling it doesn't mean it will definitely come out to be a win. Al can only predict game just like humans, predict games based on past performance of the team and this is a thing good gamers can also predict. The prediction of Al is nothing special, it should not be something that gamers need to depend on so much because gambling is still unpredictable even with the use of Al.

For basing on the data's given yes we can somehow rely on the words suggested by this technology. But it doesn't really mean that we should give our full trust with this especially if we try to aim or look forward for a sure 100% win since AI cannot guarantee to give this to us.

Much better if we double check the suggestions of AI then see the whole context if there's a basis especially for proper checking if there's something lacking on given ideas so that we can fill it and have good basis towards out next bet. Human actions towards this is always important and our knowledge digging is more helpful rather than relying on machine which is not give us any guaranteed result or any 100% satisfaction.

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