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Quote from: Yamifoud on April 21, 2024, 12:53:18 AM

Supercomputers are definitely good at predicting but this won't say that they are perfectly right. Perhaps, they have been built by humans and the data filled to them is from other sources. I'm sure, there is no data that has already been made ahead of time so this technology already knows the results. Therefore, even though we can say that supercomputers are reliable but when it comes to gambling predictions they can possibly be wrong because it was unpredictable. Because if we can imagine that this technology is accurate, I think there is a gambling site that will survive when all the players have won.
That is why I'd rather depend on myself over others and I can make decisions without depending on technology.

They do not have to be perfect, they just have to beat the house edge, take a look at the weather report you can watch every day on the local news, are the predictions given perfectly accurate? No, but they give you an idea of what weather can you expect for the day and the rest of the week.

And if the weather conditions are rather extreme then it is more likely for the forecast to be right, so even if I complain sometimes about the accuracy of the forecast, there is no doubt it is quite useful, and the same is true for the predictions AI can generate given enough data.

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Predictions are always what they are and this is not the first time predictions of various kinds are talked about including through animals of which some were right at some points and wrong at another point because they are all predicting and no one is certain of what will happen in the future. To predict, you have to use the history of the past to try to know how it will replicate in the future and that is analysis. Therefore, supercomputer is also a product of human being imputed with such ideas of predictions using variables of the past to determine the outcome of the future but the challenge is that future occurrence can not be adequately known because some other interventions can happen along the line. Like for example if a team plans to feature all their 11 best players and on the last training day before the match then two of them got injured, of course it will affect the team performance and by then prediction would have been made on the team and match. And usually, book makers predict odds for teams based on their previous performance but it doesn't really happen that way all the time, there have been big teams with small odds being defeated by small teams. It still has the luck factor with supercomputer prediction.

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Supercomputers are definitely good at predicting but this won't say that they are perfectly right. Perhaps, they have been built by humans and the data filled to them is from other sources. I'm sure, there is no data that has already been made ahead of time so this technology already knows the results. Therefore, even though we can say that supercomputers are reliable but when it comes to gambling predictions they can possibly be wrong because it was unpredictable. Because if we can imagine that this technology is accurate, I think there is a gambling site that will survive when all the players have won.
That is why I'd rather depend on myself over others and I can make decisions without depending on technology.

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Quote from: 348Judah on April 19, 2024, 08:45:47 PM

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We are in an era where artificial intelligence and supercomputers can perform many tasks accurately. We have reports of some AI tools passing law school examinations and some of them have performed some complex surgeries in the medical field. With these technological tools, the word impossible is gradually becoming obsolete.

No matter the trends of innovations and technology in the gambling sector with the use of bots, AI, or supercomputers as you may call it, i don't think i can accept that they can make the very delivery output needed, some will tell you that they rely on the gambling prediction sites and from there they get their own tips from, while some will completely go against the use of such, i also see it as not too perfect enough when you're too dependent on the ways you adopts for gambling as your personal strategies in this manner

We cannot solely depend on the supercomputer predictions while placing the sports bet. While supercomputers and AI can very much save our time by analyzing all the previous matches and performances of the teams/ players and give the best team to bet on but these computers cannot check the emotions, overnight weather conditions and overall sentiments and confidence of the teams. This is the reason they cannot predict the outcome 100% correct.

Right now, the odds shared by the gambling sites are also based on the AI results and we get the fewer odds for the favorite team but does the favorite and strong team always win? No.
The same will be the problem with super computers predictions as the history results do not mean that the future results will be based on that too.

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Quote from: wxa7115 on April 14, 2024, 10:16:54 PM

I am sure casinos will find a way to counter AI, and the most straightforward way to do this is to make use of AI themselves, after all AI depends on three things, the algorithm itself, the hardware in which it runs, and the data that you give to your AI so it can generate a new predictive model.

And in those three aspects casinos are above the average player by a significant margin, so I do not think there is a lot of people which can make use of AI to beat them.

Yes, casinos will not lets that happens for some time. They will search for the newest technologies that can helps them to counters AI and do many things to make sure they can still make a profit. Although AI will grow and even evolve, that doesn't means casino will not do the same thing because casino will use AI too like the gamblers to prevents gamblers wins the money.

Even if many gamblers use AI to wins the games from casino, that will not makes many of them can really wins the games because many of them will fail and lose their money. Their money will belongs to the casino without have a chance to recovers their lose. They will not realizes about that and will search for the other ways to beat the casino even if they must try one by one of the AI to find the AI that works with their plan.

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Quote from: Fiatless on April 08, 2024, 03:30:49 PM

We are in an era where artificial intelligence and supercomputers can perform many tasks accurately. We have reports of some AI tools passing law school examinations and some of them have performed some complex surgeries in the medical field. With these technological tools, the word impossible is gradually becoming obsolete.

No matter the trends of innovations and technology in the gambling sector with the use of bots, AI, or supercomputers as you may call it, i don't think i can accept that they can make the very delivery output needed, some will tell you that they rely on the gambling prediction sites and from there they get their own tips from, while some will completely go against the use of such, i also see it as not too perfect enough when you're too dependent on the ways you adopts for gambling as your personal strategies in this manner

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Quote from: Nrcewker on April 18, 2024, 11:03:57 PM

These supercomputers do nothing, but just predict based on past trends, player stats and playing conditions. This is similar to the AI models who predict the outcomes. If I have to invest or bet, then I will never risk my hard earned money on these machines. I would rather prefer to do calculations myself and place the bets. So yes, I won’t use supercomputers for the games in any circumstances.

Yes, but see that the returns they will give for your bets are very promising. And you are weighing in a small scenario, you cannot calculate thousands of data to place a bet. Anyone understands that there is practicality in this, whether it works or not is another matter.

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These supercomputers do nothing, but just predict based on past trends, player stats and playing conditions. This is similar to the AI models who predict the outcomes. If I have to invest or bet, then I will never risk my hard earned money on these machines. I would rather prefer to do calculations myself and place the bets. So yes, I won’t use supercomputers for the games in any circumstances.

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Quote from: Churchillvv on April 08, 2024, 03:47:53 PM

Firstly, I will have to ask is it humans that are going to play this matches? If yes then you're likely to understand what I'm taking about.

Wow you burn it there mate , indeed the perfect question to ask the team that says gonna lose if they will allow this to happen?
Am sure with this Supercomputer prediction the team will do everything at its best to prevent them from losing.

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This supercomputers are just capable of doing maths that are automated on it by the manufacturers and whatever that has to do with humans are always very confusing as we humans do not even trust ourselves to our next minutes, hence no matter how smart this computers become I don't believe they will have any accurate predictions.
What we can see from this supercomputers are that they depend on the opinions or the suggestions of humans to make their predictions, and as long as this gambling related stuffs aren't mathematical/scientific computers will find it very hard to make correct predictions because they will depend on our biased opinions and observations to make their predictions.

You can have a different perception of the supercomputers but this is mine.

another correct mate, this computers are good at math and analyzing but they are not here to foreseen future , in short they can be right but they can also be wrong.

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Quote from: Findingnemo on April 15, 2024, 03:32:04 AM

The future outcomes doesn't really has to be dependent on the past incidents so saying the predictions by supercomputer is going to affect the betting industry is just BS. There is no alternative to find the future other than time machine so don't worry about the sport betting industry until we get there also don't waste your money by trusting the calculations of finding the results of a game.

Because no one can know for sure what will happen in the future, of course we don't have to be influenced by supercomputer predictions and we can place bets according to our wishes and we don't need to worry about predictions that other people make and I agree with you entrusting predictions. what other people do only makes us waste the bets we place, because when we experience defeat of course this is very detrimental to ourselves and we never do anything other than just entrust our bets to other people's predictions and it is very different if we experience losing on bets we place on predictions we make ourselves.

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Quote from: irhact on April 16, 2024, 06:54:41 AM

Quote from: Fiatless on April 08, 2024, 03:30:49 PM

In the betting or gambling sector, there has been an increase in the use of technology to make the game more interesting and profitable. Recently there has been news of a SuperComputer that can carry out complex simulations and give game predictions. Based on the Opta supercomputer prediction, Liverpool is the favorite to win the EPL with 45%, Manchester City with 33.6% while Arsenal has a 21.4% chance.

Do you think these predictions are reliable?

If the super computer could give accurate predictions as you claim then that shoud be something the house should worry about cause they'll begin to lose more funds while bettors win more, but on a second thought i doubt if the said claim AI would be 100% accurate, 40-60% might be considered because as we all know gambling is based on luck and good strategy so the AI might have good predictions strategy but one might be unlucky.

Take for instance in a game where an AI predicted Liverpool to win Manchester United, based on their recent stats Liverpool are far better than United no doubt and are even in a better position in their previous game Liverpool outplayed united but United managed to beat them at the extra minutes of the game, therefore you've definitely lost your bet while following the predictions of an AI.

I agree and I've been saying this in this topic, it's very difficult to predict something with many variables. The best thing is to use some data with some variables and try to refine this model to the point of being able to predict something. But other than that it is very impossible to predict anything.

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Quote from: Fiatless on April 08, 2024, 03:30:49 PM

In the betting or gambling sector, there has been an increase in the use of technology to make the game more interesting and profitable. Recently there has been news of a SuperComputer that can carry out complex simulations and give game predictions. Based on the Opta supercomputer prediction, Liverpool is the favorite to win the EPL with 45%, Manchester City with 33.6% while Arsenal has a 21.4% chance.

Do you think these predictions are reliable?

If the super computer could give accurate predictions as you claim then that shoud be something the house should worry about cause they'll begin to lose more funds while bettors win more, but on a second thought i doubt if the said claim AI would be 100% accurate, 40-60% might be considered because as we all know gambling is based on luck and good strategy so the AI might have good predictions strategy but one might be unlucky.

Take for instance in a game where an AI predicted Liverpool to win Manchester United, based on their recent stats Liverpool are far better than United no doubt and are even in a better position in their previous game Liverpool outplayed united but United managed to beat them at the extra minutes of the game, therefore you've definitely lost your bet while following the predictions of an AI.

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Quote from: Fiatless on April 08, 2024, 03:30:49 PM

Do you think these predictions are reliable?

There were times when they were accurate, but you can't rely 100% on these supercomputers, they can only provide data and insight and are not guaranteed results, so there's a probability that they can make a mistake, AI is a big help for analysis but in the end, it should be your final analysis that matters.
There are many AI's and I don't think all AI will give the same analysis and predictions, it depends on the data in their database.

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Artificial intelligence but made by humans, artificial intelligence will suggest you any team only considering the past statistics of the player but it is more acceptable to use your own intelligence than artificial intelligence in betting. Artificial intelligence will only suggest you from the information it has but when you try to use your brain to make predictions, the results will likely come in your favor. If a player suddenly gets injured, the artificial intelligence will give you a signal without you knowing about it, but this is definitely a minus point for you. We don't want to put pressure on our brain but if we put pressure on our brain then brain will suggest us something better.

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The future outcomes doesn't really has to be dependent on the past incidents so saying the predictions by supercomputer is going to affect the betting industry is just BS. There is no alternative to find the future other than time machine so don't worry about the sport betting industry until we get there also don't waste your money by trusting the calculations of finding the results of a game.

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I think the question is incorrect. It's the bookies who have long used statistical software and nowadays AIs to calculate the odds they offer you. I wouldn't be surprised if they try to covertly sell the idea that using AIs is going to make you rich, when it's getting harder and harder to do so.

Quote from: wxa7115 on April 14, 2024, 10:16:54 PM

I am sure casinos will find a way to counter AI, and the most straightforward way to do this is to make use of AI themselves...

But what do you think, that they're not already doing that?

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on April 13, 2024, 02:38:30 AM

Quote from: Solosanz on April 12, 2024, 10:17:21 AM

That's what AI supposed to be, it only give you a statistic and help you to choose instead of to be used as final decision.

Human needs to be the one who make the final decision by evaluating the statistic, this is why some people say AI help them for their work, not like majority of people who complain AI should be stopped or AI will take over the world.

But I doubt if bookies didn't aware with AI, they should be the one who use AI and it will make the odds become more accurate with the risk to reward ratios.

But from the statistic that we gets from AI can helps us to determine which team that we can select. We can also analyze more deeper from the statistic if we wants to know more from the information. Yes, I agree that we must decides by ourselves and not just depends on the other sources to decides. The statistic that we gets from AI can gives us a way to learn the analyze so we can improve our skills better.

Bookies will not lets that happens and will do something. They don't wants to see their business ruins because of the AI. They will use AI to prevents that so they can still gets profits from the gamblers. This will becomes a fight between the gamblers and the casinos and the gamblers will trying hard to find the best AI that can helps them to win.

I am sure casinos will find a way to counter AI, and the most straightforward way to do this is to make use of AI themselves, after all AI depends on three things, the algorithm itself, the hardware in which it runs, and the data that you give to your AI so it can generate a new predictive model.

And in those three aspects casinos are above the average player by a significant margin, so I do not think there is a lot of people which can make use of AI to beat them.

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Quote from: Solosanz on April 12, 2024, 10:17:21 AM

That's what AI supposed to be, it only give you a statistic and help you to choose instead of to be used as final decision.

Human needs to be the one who make the final decision by evaluating the statistic, this is why some people say AI help them for their work, not like majority of people who complain AI should be stopped or AI will take over the world.

But I doubt if bookies didn't aware with AI, they should be the one who use AI and it will make the odds become more accurate with the risk to reward ratios.

But from the statistic that we gets from AI can helps us to determine which team that we can select. We can also analyze more deeper from the statistic if we wants to know more from the information. Yes, I agree that we must decides by ourselves and not just depends on the other sources to decides. The statistic that we gets from AI can gives us a way to learn the analyze so we can improve our skills better.

Bookies will not lets that happens and will do something. They don't wants to see their business ruins because of the AI. They will use AI to prevents that so they can still gets profits from the gamblers. This will becomes a fight between the gamblers and the casinos and the gamblers will trying hard to find the best AI that can helps them to win.

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A supercomputer can only make predictions by data analysis and formula analysis, so it cannot justify how well a team will perform. A supercomputer or artificial intelligence will make predictions only by analyzing the past data of a team, so maybe in some cases the prediction is correct but in most cases the prediction will be wrong. For example, in the match between Real Madrid and Real Sociadad, the supercomputer may give 30% probability in favor of Real Sociadad, but in a match, 100% probability may be in favor of Real Madrid. So no matter how well the supercomputer does the analysis, the supercomputer does not have the ability to do a complete analysis on a team.

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Quote from: Pumared on April 11, 2024, 07:39:28 PM

Yes, and I remember that there were predictions that Brazil would win or be runner-up in the last World Cup. Well, it wasn't even close to a good performance. So I agree that we should be careful with hourly predictions and in sports that have many variables

Gambling wins are not only determined by analysis because luck also plays a vital role. In that last World Cup it would have been hard to believe that Saudi Arabia will beat Argentina, Cameroon beat Brazil and Morocco will get to the semi-finals. I don't think many people would have predicted it just as AI would have failed to predict it because historical analysis or statistics would have been useless

Quote from: Jawhead999 on April 12, 2024, 12:41:48 AM

No, AI only use past history to predict the future, while the future isn't only depends by history.

Leverkusen is one of the example, I doubt there's someone will predict Leverkusen will win Bundesliga from the beginning season, people will predict it's either Bayern Munich with 90% chance or Dortmund with 10% chance.

So this make AI is useless in forecasting.

From what I have gathered from this thread, Artificial intelligence could help to analyse games using statistics and history but it is now up to humans to make the final decision. These AI tools could be very helpful in giving us quick statistical feedback but as humans, we have to do the reasoning before using these AI-powered predictions. I don't think machines can ever replace the mental capacity of humans.

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