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Quote from: xSkylarx on June 04, 2023, 01:41:16 AM

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We all have the ability to create our own opportunities and survive without government intervention. Creativity and individual efforts can help us achieve success and come up with solutions to social problems. A business like yours contributes to economic development and will have a positive impact on the community.
Such businesses can improve employment and help some people's finances. Self-created opportunities for economic development are necessary for the nation and it is an important part of the progress of society.

When talking about job we cant really rely on government as we can really found jobs from private sector but again government has laws that can make everything fair because without it for sure you have very low salary and you cant also say that they increase it as there are no regulations on it. Government is really big factor to everything but again finding a job we should do our own to find it as the government will not feed it to you

if we have expertise in a certain field, I think we can survive as private workers or self-employed, and many have proven that their income can exceed jobs in government. we cannot rely on it, and for me by being self-employed we will be able to support the country's economy, even though in my country being a government employee is in great demand, especially for those who are fresh graduates. From here, what needs to be done is to improve their mentality so that they don't just rely on being government employees, because young people have to be able to work

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I think we can still live from micro-enterprises or become freelancers because now there are many choices. Well, maybe what I understand is that according to you, jobs that come from the government are jobs that have a lot of salary. but that still can't be a benchmark because there are many types of jobs in this world, I'm sure even without jobs from the government we can still survive.

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Quote from: bluebit25 on June 03, 2023, 06:30:11 PM

We all have the ability to create our own opportunities and survive without government intervention. Creativity and individual efforts can help us achieve success and come up with solutions to social problems. A business like yours contributes to economic development and will have a positive impact on the community.
Such businesses can improve employment and help some people's finances. Self-created opportunities for economic development are necessary for the nation and it is an important part of the progress of society.

When talking about job we cant really rely on government as we can really found jobs from private sector but again government has laws that can make everything fair because without it for sure you have very low salary and you cant also say that they increase it as there are no regulations on it. Government is really big factor to everything but again finding a job we should do our own to find it as the government will not feed it to you

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Quote from: Onyeeze on April 08, 2023, 08:10:43 AM

Let us be realistic to ourselves, is good to extreme to wait for government to make provision of every in a country, sometimes when we graduate from higher colleges we expected government to create employment opportunities but in some points government keep adamant of making employment be visible and available to the mass, on my instinct I said without government employment man can survive, I started a popcorn 🍿 business which I managed alone but right now have workers under me which I'm paying and now planning to establish another business.

Creating jobs is the state's obligation to reduce unemployment in a country. The government must also facilitate its citizens who want to work abroad, from all the departure processes to the guarantee of getting a job after arriving at their destination. Not all are lucky from the jobs provided by the government and the government cannot guarantee 100% that there will be no more unemployment, you need to find solutions to solve employment problems without having to depend on the government.
Starting a personal business is one of the solutions you can do to survive, I think most people out there have made the same decision as you. Learning to be independent by hiring other people is a pride for yourself, even though the business you are building is still relatively small, you are the boss.

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It is wrong to expect the state to do many things for the people. The state creates the conditions up to a certain level, the rest is man's own labor. Both parties have their roles, and things can go wrong if one party fails to fulfill that role. Our working life should not be too dependent on the state, but we should not try to progress without certain rules. You say that one's own effort is valued and results are achieved. The most important thing is that the state does not interfere in a positive work that the person is trying to do and that the state can provide gaps in this way. So it's a mutual interest.

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I don't see the government as a set of people who care about the well being of it citizens, they just have a way of taking more and bring less. If they have their way they'd even crest their name on every money note.
Greed and selfishness won't also let them create more skill acquisition for its citizens they rather use that money to send their children abroad.
If as an individual you say you'll wait for the government to provide job and other stuff needed then you'll wait till you get old, is best to engage yourself in something positive to help your pocket grow financially.
While some youths wait for government to do something like the provision of job and all that, it makes 95% of the youth to engage in cyber crime, why wait for no reason? Let's take the power we have to create job opportunities for us.

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We all have the ability to create our own opportunities and survive without government intervention. Creativity and individual efforts can help us achieve success and come up with solutions to social problems. A business like yours contributes to economic development and will have a positive impact on the community.
Such businesses can improve employment and help some people's finances. Self-created opportunities for economic development are necessary for the nation and it is an important part of the progress of society.

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Quote from: Betwrong on April 08, 2023, 08:33:27 AM

Quote from: Onyeeze on April 08, 2023, 08:10:43 AM

-snip- on my instinct I said without government employment man can survive, I started a popcorn 🍿 business which I managed alone but right now have workers under me which I'm paying and now planning to establish another business.

If you think you are doing it with out government support, you are wrong, in my opinion. It's government that provides you with protection from both external(those that might attack your country) and internal(those that might attack your business) enemies. It's thanks to the government you can buy the equipment without being scammed, and it's thanks to the government you can return it and take your money back if the quality is bad.

Yeah sounds good to hear that you are an entrepreneur and seems you do not need government job, even though the government doesn't directly interfere in your business, they indirectly facilitate and provide legal protection for entrepreneurs in generally including for you too. the government build protection law to guarantee you running your business. This is the result of people who are in government job in the ministry of trade (goverment also open recruiting civil servants as a movement to create jobs in government itself)

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Quote from: blockman on May 12, 2023, 05:04:55 PM

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There are so many jobs available in the street but most are for skilled workers and educated ones. We have to a degree or better still get a skill that will make us to earn and create our own businesses for a better society.

Degree is like having another chance but being skilled is what most employers preferred. Here in my country, most employers require a degree but the salary is minimum so that doesn't change much with the reality these days. While the ones that haven't finished a degree but are skilled, they're earning more than those white-collar jobs. I am not discouraging people to stop their studies and just start working on. It's still good to have a degree but those that can't finish their degrees, they can learn skills and focus on it and that's what they have to offer for their employers and can earn better salaries.

Skill or experience plays a major role in human performance. A skilled worker is very much needed in a business organization. I think it's not just your country. It is the same everywhere in the world. But it is not only skills but education should also be adequately valued. Because I believe that a person finds fulfillment in the combination of skill and education. Both of the two things are very important. In our country a person who has both education and skills earns the good amount of money.

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Quote from: Bitstar_coin on June 03, 2023, 12:18:15 PM

Yeah, reason why they encourage entrepreneurship during your college period. I don't know about your location but here in my country during my college days, entrepreneurship was mandatory to all final year students to prepare them for the outside world.

Not everyone will be lucky enough to get a white-collar job as they say but if you are sensible enough you have to create a job for yourself to avoid being a dependant.
You have made the right choice and you should also work on expanding your customer base.

Yes you can survive without a government job but it is not advisable to leave your job or to not look for government job .
Government jobs have alot if benefits along with pay packages that is a steady income in your pocket which you can have easily. If you want to do something privately do it but also have a government job .

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Yeah, reason why they encourage entrepreneurship during your college period. I don't know about your location but here in my country during my college days, entrepreneurship was mandatory to all final year students to prepare them for the outside world.

Not everyone will be lucky enough to get a white-collar job as they say but if you are sensible enough you have to create a job for yourself to avoid being a dependant.
You have made the right choice and you should also work on expanding your customer base.

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Quote from: naira on May 13, 2023, 06:43:06 PM

Quote from: fadhilz123 on May 13, 2023, 06:15:44 PM

Usually a job in a government agency is only enough to meet a person's needs in a month so that person will take a very long time to grow to become rich, unless his monthly salary is very large because he is placed in a certain position that is better with a bigger position. That is why most government employees in many countries still want to work independently to continue to increase their income in life even though they can also live without having to work anymore because they already have a monthly salary through government agencies.

As we already know, even though their income in one month can be sufficient for more than 2 months, it doesn't mean they stop looking for other income. The point is, from our point of view, we can only survive every month. But for them, the bigger the expenditure, the higher the income must automatically be. Facilities to support work, personal transportation, increased taxes and family expenses as well as a better lifestyle. No one really reaches the threshold of satisfaction.

not only the government but everyone can do that. as long as they are able to manage their finances and can control their ego. because it is true that the higher your income, the lifestyle will increase.

the only difference is when their government has received guarantees even until their old age (that's what happened in my country), but even so as long as they are unable to manage their finances and cannot take advantage of their position when in office. then still his life will be lacking and his lifestyle cannot be fully fulfilled. and vice versa when a person is able to manage his finances, control himself and is able to take advantage of opportunities that come even without guarantees from anyone. their life will be safe and fulfilled because they can guarantee themselves.

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Quote from: BVeyron on May 17, 2023, 12:59:03 PM

Quote from: Onyeeze on April 08, 2023, 08:10:43 AM

Let us be realistic to ourselves, is good to extreme to wait for government to make provision of every in a country, sometimes when we graduate from higher colleges we expected government to create employment opportunities but in some points government keep adamant of making employment be visible and available to the mass, on my instinct I said without government employment man can survive, I started a popcorn 🍿 business which I managed alone but right now have workers under me which I'm paying and now planning to establish another business.

Modern capitalist education system is based on creating specialists with economy degrees, which are not really needed anywhere. But people send their children to study economy since they think that economy degree is the only way to become a millionaire. This is not true statement, but most people still believe in it Sad

I don't understand why are you saying this? Do you imply that some "communist" education system is better, or you just want to say that the Western system is bad overall?

You know it's not all true what you see on the telly in your country. Wink

Yes, without government job we can survive, but it doesn't mean that that Government jobs are bad, or that people are getting the wrong education in the West. Dictatorships brainwash their people into thinking that the whole world is wrong and you can only survive by blindly following the "Great Leader". But it doesn't work actually, does it?

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Quote from: Onyeeze on April 08, 2023, 08:10:43 AM

Let us be realistic to ourselves, is good to extreme to wait for government to make provision of every in a country, sometimes when we graduate from higher colleges we expected government to create employment opportunities but in some points government keep adamant of making employment be visible and available to the mass, on my instinct I said without government employment man can survive, I started a popcorn 🍿 business which I managed alone but right now have workers under me which I'm paying and now planning to establish another business.

Modern capitalist education system is based on creating specialists with economy degrees, which are not really needed anywhere. But people send their children to study economy since they think that economy degree is the only way to become a millionaire. This is not true statement, but most people still believe in it Sad

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Quote from: fadhilz123 on May 13, 2023, 06:15:44 PM

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Government employment can provide benefits and job security, but relying solely on government to create job opportunities is not always realistic. So I think individuals have to be proactive and create their own employment opportunities through business or other means. This can be a risky challenge but with hard work and dedication it can be a rewarding experience.

Usually a job in a government agency is only enough to meet a person's needs in a month so that person will take a very long time to grow to become rich, unless his monthly salary is very large because he is placed in a certain position that is better with a bigger position. That is why most government employees in many countries still want to work independently to continue to increase their income in life even though they can also live without having to work anymore because they already have a monthly salary through government agencies.

Don't forget about other perks, like nice pension, free public transport, some free medical care etc. Don't know if it's in all countries like this, but I'm sure in most of them.

So, people who choose to work independently, they take that risk, imo. Not only they can lose their job any time, compared to the stability of working for the government, but they also knowingly refuse many other bonuses.

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Quote from: cryptoknightt on May 14, 2023, 04:20:24 PM

Quote from: Alphakilo on April 08, 2023, 12:45:21 PM

Anyone waiting on the government to provide him or her with a white coler job is wasting his own time.
Even as a graduate, you need not wait for the government to earn a living for your self.
You can start up any small business gradually you can make it big while you still search for government job.
Waiting for government for provision is a total waste of time.
I have seen business billionaires who are graduate, without waiting for the government they started their own small scale business and today they are doing so well.

That's right, we can't wait for the government to give us jobs, we have to prove that a job getting from the government is not the only path to success.

We should have a mindset like this. We have to be able to start with a business or looking for income via the internet can be a good choice for those of us who want to take control of our own careers and finances.

My view is that the government must indeed have the responsibility to create a conducive business climate, provide training and support for citizens who want to start a business and also that the government must be able to create jobs.

I also think relying on being a government employee to solve our financial problems is unrealistic. We need to take initiative and take responsibility for our own careers and finances. Developing skills and seeking new business opportunities can help us achieve our desired financial and career goals. I also agree with the title of this thread Without jobs our government can survive.

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Quote from: Alphakilo on April 08, 2023, 12:45:21 PM

Anyone waiting on the government to provide him or her with a white coler job is wasting his own time.
Even as a graduate, you need not wait for the government to earn a living for your self.
You can start up any small business gradually you can make it big while you still search for government job.
Waiting for government for provision is a total waste of time.
I have seen business billionaires who are graduate, without waiting for the government they started their own small scale business and today they are doing so well.

That's right, we can't wait for the government to give us jobs, we have to prove that a job getting from the government is not the only path to success.

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Quote from: fadhilz123 on May 13, 2023, 06:15:44 PM

Usually a job in a government agency is only enough to meet a person's needs in a month so that person will take a very long time to grow to become rich, unless his monthly salary is very large because he is placed in a certain position that is better with a bigger position. That is why most government employees in many countries still want to work independently to continue to increase their income in life even though they can also live without having to work anymore because they already have a monthly salary through government agencies.

It's true that working as a government employee doesn't make us rich, but why do so many people still want to become government employees? Because the most valuable thing for government employees is a lifetime pension guarantee, even if they are widows/widowers they also get pension insurance and their first and second children also get it if they are not yet 25 years old. (this is what happened in my country)

While it is true that the salaries of government employees are generally sufficient to meet their daily needs and not enough to save or invest with existing income. So it's only natural that as a government employee you have to be smart to find additional income to become rich.

In essence, not all government employees have to rely on a monthly salary alone to achieve financial success. As a government employee, you must be smart about using your free time to run a side business or involve yourself in investments that can generate greater profits.

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Quote from: naira on May 13, 2023, 06:43:06 PM

Quote from: fadhilz123 on May 13, 2023, 06:15:44 PM

Usually a job in a government agency is only enough to meet a person's needs in a month so that person will take a very long time to grow to become rich, unless his monthly salary is very large because he is placed in a certain position that is better with a bigger position. That is why most government employees in many countries still want to work independently to continue to increase their income in life even though they can also live without having to work anymore because they already have a monthly salary through government agencies.

As we already know, even though their income in one month can be sufficient for more than 2 months, it doesn't mean they stop looking for other income. The point is, from our point of view, we can only survive every month. But for them, the bigger the expenditure, the higher the income must automatically be. Facilities to support work, personal transportation, increased taxes and family expenses as well as a better lifestyle. No one really reaches the threshold of satisfaction.

So true. And basically the more income one gets can also encourage someone to have a lifestyle that also increases. Which will also automatically make expenses which are also getting bigger. So that many of us may have a large income but in fact it still cannot make us satisfied and even we tend to feel lacking. So that developing other businesses and looking for side jobs to get additional income is often done.

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Quote from: fadhilz123 on May 13, 2023, 06:15:44 PM

Usually a job in a government agency is only enough to meet a person's needs in a month so that person will take a very long time to grow to become rich, unless his monthly salary is very large because he is placed in a certain position that is better with a bigger position. That is why most government employees in many countries still want to work independently to continue to increase their income in life even though they can also live without having to work anymore because they already have a monthly salary through government agencies.

As we already know, even though their income in one month can be sufficient for more than 2 months, it doesn't mean they stop looking for other income. The point is, from our point of view, we can only survive every month. But for them, the bigger the expenditure, the higher the income must automatically be. Facilities to support work, personal transportation, increased taxes and family expenses as well as a better lifestyle. No one really reaches the threshold of satisfaction.

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