Topic: Would you bet against the club you support? - page 5. (Read 1261 times)
If there's no prohibition with regards to your contract and working with the club, I think betting against them should not be an issue especially if that team will play against the top teams, but of course better to keep it a secret or else you'll be kick out. I do support a lot of local club teams but there are times i placed a bet against them not because I'm not a supporter anymore but I just don't see them winning agains a better team and that's a fact and if you want to make money better not to get too emotional.
Well I think i understand that feeling when you employ someone and then the person start looking for other means of survival but this is football and it's entirely a different case, the man who bet for Westham to lose is just looking for money and him betting Westham to loss is not the reason why they were losing those matches, I use to be a United fan but anytime I see that United is going to play a big club while they are not inform I will keep away the fact that I am a United fan and bet what I feel will be possible. Lastly, I don't think they sacked the man because of how many times Westham has lose but rather I think they sacked him out of jealousy and I think they were biased, let me ask do you think they would have sacked him if he was losing money while betting on Westham to lose off cause they won't go to the extent of sacking him but it would've be a case to discuss.
That is what their employers suppose stand for to give the man justice, because he is not the caused of his club poor performance and he look at the game very well through his research, he discovered that there is no way his club can take victory from their opponent which is the reason he predicted against their club to make his money from the prediction.
Well said, I agree with you. The Man is a true definition of Value and un-sentimental Human that stands on the virtue of truth and won't trade it because of emotion. If I was the Man I would do same, and also file a sue against the club, because I have not read book, article or script in Football that says betting against your club, is wrong and punishable. Everyone is entitled to there own decision and deserves to be respected for it,this is slavery in another form.
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He is just an employee and not a direct fan of that club which means that he can bet against the club if it doesn't go against his contract agreement with his manager or employer. For example, bribery is against the contract agreement of lectures in my school, if any lecturer is found guilty of receiving bribes from student, their contract will be immediately terminated.
Even though, he is employee in that club, is it written in their constitution that they may bet for the favor of their club, i guess they sacked him for other issues, but they just use this betting to remove him from the club because I have seen many players who bet against their club because they know that their opponent are stronger than their club. But this is not bribe, if you try to understand the issue very well, this is a something many coaches or players can fall victim to in their clubs, just that they will not spread the information on social media because people will turn the matter to what will end the person Job like what happened to the young guy that bet against their club.
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For this man that was sacked because he bet against the club he is working for, it is not his fault that the club don't have the ability to perform well and he was not supposed to be sacked because he gambled base on his choice and not because he wants the club to lose. Let him just search for a new job.
That is what their employers suppose stand for to give the man justice, because he is not the caused of his club poor performance and he look at the game very well through his research, he discovered that there is no way his club can take victory from their opponent which is the reason he predicted against their club to make his money from the prediction.
He is just an employee and not a direct fan of that club which means that he can bet against the club if it doesn't go against his contract agreement with his manager or employer. For example, bribery is against the contract agreement of lectures in my school, if any lecturer is found guilty of receiving bribes from student, their contract will be immediately terminated.
For this man that was sacked because he bet against the club he is working for, it is not his fault that the club don't have the ability to perform well and he was not supposed to be sacked because he gambled base on his choice and not because he wants the club to lose. Let him just search for a new job.
For this man that was sacked because he bet against the club he is working for, it is not his fault that the club don't have the ability to perform well and he was not supposed to be sacked because he gambled base on his choice and not because he wants the club to lose. Let him just search for a new job.
Pardon me if this post or something similar have been created before now. Well this post was inspired by a news from Football Tweet on X concerning a Swansea City FC employee who got sacked for betting on the club he works in to lose for about 130 times. It's so unfortunate he lost his jobs, Well some people were in his support and claimed it's not his fault for the club to keep losing and the man was only trying to make extra cash, while there were others who claimed it was betrayal and he should've supported the club as a true fan. Left for me, I feel he's not a fan of the club and just an employee and I'll do same if I were not a fan of the club I work for moreover the club kept losing and he seized the opportunity to make extra cash from their misfortune. Well I never betted against the club i support I'll rather bet on other matches. However this brings us back to the question, would you bet against the club you support ?
Well, judging from a professional mindset, in his rules of engagement, if there's not such rule as gambling against the club, then its clear oppression. Their ficus on retrenching him should be on the good of his inefficiency to deliver quality service or his actions that destroys the image of the club.Betting against them is his private life and not his job description. In gambling you do what you must to secure a win, nobody intentionally loses money because he supports a team. I think he was loud about his winnings, else how did the football company find out?, or do casinos now leak their clients data to third parties?.
It's just a matter of ethics, it's like this, if you have a business and one of your employees hopes that your business will lose to competitors, do you still want to employ unethical employees like this? it's like that. Because he is a worker at the club, he lives off the salary he gets from the club, and it has become the main thing for him to support the club, even when he is sure that the club will lose, because that has become an ethic in their work. It was different if he was an ordinary person, no one would mind which club he would bet on, even if it was his own city club. However, he is an employee and it is his obligation to support the club - if he wants extra cash then he can bet against the club, but the risk is predictable that he will lose his job.
Yes that's right. I think this is just a matter of ethics and maybe there are also club rules that he still has to obey. In fact, he could have bet secretly if he wanted, without anyone knowing that he didn't support the club he worked for, so this dismissal wouldn't have happened. However, that is the risk of working at a club, rules and ethics must be maintained.I personally will not bet on a team that according to my analysis will lose even though that team is my favorite team. It's true that betting is just for entertainment, but if we already know we won't win, choosing an opponent doesn't matter because losing a bet will also make us disappointed, but sometimes I prefer not to bet if my favorite team is not favored to win. Because there are still many betting options on other matches that we can choose from.
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I think you are right that it's unethical even though he did it to earn some extra cash since he knew the club hadn't been performing very well and he could get a win if he bet against them, but as you said, if he was earning money by working for that club, being ethical would be to avoid betting against the club only to show that you are loyal to it and that you respect the fact that they are providing you and your family food on the table if not anything else.He could do that without having to bet against the club he was working for. There are a lot of matches and games and there can be more opportunities for one to make their bets even if they don't do it on one match, so he could leave the matches where his club was involved just for loyalty's sake.
Of course there is always another way, there are many matches from other leagues where it is possible to make a profit depending on our ability to predict the match, if you are lucky you can win and you can make a profit so there is no need to fight your club. Sometimes greed makes someone only think about profits without thinking long about what impact they will receive if they bet against the club where you work and this is also a valuable lesson that loyalty is better than just thinking about greed.
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He's... an employee. Not a die hard fan lol. If this was included in the contract then yea, he deserves getting sacked since he went back on the agreement but otherwise, I see no reason why he should be fired over it. Personally I've better against the teams that are my favorite/root for before. I'd consider myself pretty fickle when it comes to choosing teams after all. Not that I don't avidly support them when I do, heck I go all out whenever I need to. But if I feel that they don't deserve my support anymore, I move on, simple as that.
I would definitely do it. Especially if I knew all the “kitchen” that is going on in the team. I say this so confidently because I have something to do with a sports team in my country that regularly loses. The point is not that I would do this against the team, but the fact that the team does not receive any bonuses or salaries while the players lose. But by betting on a loss, I would be compensating myself for the amount that should be paid to me for the time I spend working for this team.
I like your reasoning, being realistic enough and not being a fan so fanatical as to overlook the benefits that can even be gained from the defeat of the team we supported in the first place. After all, betting is profit-seeking, not just a pleasure and forcing a club that will actually lose, but is still supported.
Compensating for yourself also needs to be done, being a supporter who is too fanatical is also not good, look at reality and take advantage.
There are times when the Team that one supports or is on a roll and yes, they can lose almost like anyone else, but even so, I think that in my case I have a very Sporting feeling, if I go against my team I think I would feel very bad during the whole game and the game would seem eternal, I don't know, I think I would feel uneasy or something going against my team even if it is bad, how could it be affected if I go against my own team and then if it wins, well the feeling would be worse, I am very sentimental in this thing of protections with respect to my teams, Knowing that they are going to lose I Always keep a hope that I Know that they can achieve it.
The man is working in a club and betting against the gamble. I am not working as an employee in any club and this makes it different. If there is no rules that I can or can not bet against the club that I am employed, why not bet against them if you analyzed and think that the club will lose. I can do it. But provided if not against the rules. As the man is sacked, I think it is against the club rules for a worker to bet against them.
The man is probably sacked from his job on betting against the club the is working with as a point of contact that he could have leaked some secret bargains of the cline probably on a situation of fixed match.Apparently such employee can not be trusted as the clubs would not be comfortable sharing their official and secret informations with him so, he would become a saboteur to the club and preventing that lead the club to sack him.
That's what you call inside information, and information in betting is vital for a good chance of winning. It's different from fixed game,it would be easier if it was a fixed game but getting information is way better than nothing at all. This would increase your chances of winning, but not guaranteed, and with this kind of information we can get, we will feel more confident to put bigger bets.
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It's funny because the last sports bet I made was in favor of my team with odds of 12 or 13 to 1 against and I won, LMAO. But I wouldn't mind betting against if that were the case. We should not mix betting or money matters with sentimental matters in general. I don't usually bet on sports betting though.
The man is working in a club and betting against the gamble. I am not working as an employee in any club and this makes it different. If there is no rules that I can or can not bet against the club that I am employed, why not bet against them if you analyzed and think that the club will lose. I can do it. But provided if not against the rules. As the man is sacked, I think it is against the club rules for a worker to bet against them.
The man is probably sacked from his job on betting against the club the is working with as a point of contact that he could have leaked some secret bargains of the cline probably on a situation of fixed match.Apparently such employee can not be trusted as the clubs would not be comfortable sharing their official and secret informations with him so, he would become a saboteur to the club and preventing that lead the club to sack him.
I once bet on the opposite team that I supported in eSports before, I acknowledge their strength, and know they are stronger so they have a higher chance of winning.
We are talking about gambling here, not supporting a team, I wouldn't risk my money if I know that it would just lose.
We are talking about gambling here, not supporting a team, I wouldn't risk my money if I know that it would just lose.
Something like that is like betraying the club that has employed him to get a salary every month because most of his hard work was obtained because he worked at the club he worked for but unfortunately he bet against the club he supports so that made the club owner feel angry and it's only natural that he was angry and fired this employee because if this employee bets to lose on the club he supports, it's the same as praying for the club he supports to lose. For anyone, if we support a club, we really have to work professionally, not only think about profits, but loyalty can be paid with money.
Not all loyalty can be valued with money, there are still opportunities for profit in other matches, it's not just about the club that supports it. If I were a club, I also wouldn't like to see my employees betray and would probably do the same to fire someone like that. Indeed, betting is the right of each gambler, but without the club, how can he work and earn money having too much ambition to make a lot of profit is not good and he deserves this punishment.
I think you are right that it's unethical even though he did it to earn some extra cash since he knew the club hadn't been performing very well and he could get a win if he bet against them, but as you said, if he was earning money by working for that club, being ethical would be to avoid betting against the club only to show that you are loyal to it and that you respect the fact that they are providing you and your family food on the table if not anything else.Not all loyalty can be valued with money, there are still opportunities for profit in other matches, it's not just about the club that supports it. If I were a club, I also wouldn't like to see my employees betray and would probably do the same to fire someone like that. Indeed, betting is the right of each gambler, but without the club, how can he work and earn money having too much ambition to make a lot of profit is not good and he deserves this punishment.
He could do that without having to bet against the club he was working for. There are a lot of matches and games and there can be more opportunities for one to make their bets even if they don't do it on one match, so he could leave the matches where his club was involved just for loyalty's sake.
To avoid any problem related to that situation much better for people working on some clubs not to bet on the league where their team is participating so that they can avoid getting bad blood for the club they are working since for sure if the management will find out that you are frequently betting on sportsbooks. They might think that you are doing some illegal activities that can cause for their team to lose. Betting is indeed a individual right of people but there's a limitation of that and people need to avoid anything that can give a conflict to his employer.
There are lot of matches to bet but the problem if this is acceptable action to the club they are working? So maybe its good to avoid betting and just go to other leagues since this give him peace and away from stress.
When someone still gambles with emotion, of course they will gamble with greed and it would be better for us to think of gambling as a place to have fun. As you said, we have to see if we can get the chance to win, of course we have to be able to use the opportunity to win the bet. We play it because it's not certain that we can win on another occasion.
Someone can still be emotionally touched and still don't gamble with greed; they can only make reckless decisions about which game they choose due to their state of mind, but that's different from when someone is gambling with greed.Being greedy means chasing big wins and wagering with a large amount of money, which is being triggered by the greed to win big. Your emotions can only lead you to make mistakes in your choice of game and options because you are not in the right mind.
In the corporate world it's a betrayal in a way. Because he actually sweats for the club, he works with them, I guess. And that's a mistake on his end to let it get to the management of his club. People always look out for ways to figure out if a member of a firm broke a rule of the organization so that he could get penalized. I personally have observed that most people don't get hysterical about their club. Their aim is to gamble and win. Where this seems like a betrayal is that this person can easily detect if his team is well prepared enough to win or not in a game.
Then he bets against them. I think this would be a bigger issue in the football niche because gambling shouldn't be a one sided activity. Many people who work with football clubs may not always support their club. The thing remains that, if the gambler signed somewhere about this before getting hired that he's not meant to bet against his club, then he already broke a rule and deserves to be penalize. If not, then the club management is only emotional about his actions and sees it as betrayal through an unrealistic thought.
In what corporate world? We're talking about gambling here and sports betting, I can't call it a betrayal. Would you support your team by betting on it on a match that's almost a guaranteed loss? I'll go ahead and say that it's quite unlikely. Sports betting is all about money, and I don't quite understand what you're trying to say.Then he bets against them. I think this would be a bigger issue in the football niche because gambling shouldn't be a one sided activity. Many people who work with football clubs may not always support their club. The thing remains that, if the gambler signed somewhere about this before getting hired that he's not meant to bet against his club, then he already broke a rule and deserves to be penalize. If not, then the club management is only emotional about his actions and sees it as betrayal through an unrealistic thought.
The person's who will see it as betrayal are those who have not been able to separate their emotions from gambling because although gambling is for fun, if there is an opportunity to make money from it you need to take it because you often lose and the opportunity to win does not often present itself.
Betting against my team does not mean that I love them less because you do not only love a team when they are winning, you have to love them through the good and the bad times.
That's correct, why waste a perfect earning opportunity? Why would I go in the trouble of risking my money when I acknowledge that my team is way more likely to lose. Sports betting shouldn't be connected with emotions, but with who is more likely to win. Betting against my team does not mean that I love them less because you do not only love a team when they are winning, you have to love them through the good and the bad times.
Something like that is like betraying the club that has employed him to get a salary every month because most of his hard work was obtained because he worked at the club he worked for but unfortunately he bet against the club he supports so that made the club owner feel angry and it's only natural that he was angry and fired this employee because if this employee bets to lose on the club he supports, it's the same as praying for the club he supports to lose. For anyone, if we support a club, we really have to work professionally, not only think about profits, but loyalty can be paid with money.
Not all loyalty can be valued with money, there are still opportunities for profit in other matches, it's not just about the club that supports it. If I were a club, I also wouldn't like to see my employees betray and would probably do the same to fire someone like that. Indeed, betting is the right of each gambler, but without the club, how can he work and earn money having too much ambition to make a lot of profit is not good and he deserves this punishment.
I think you are right that it's unethical even though he did it to earn some extra cash since he knew the club hadn't been performing very well and he could get a win if he bet against them, but as you said, if he was earning money by working for that club, being ethical would be to avoid betting against the club only to show that you are loyal to it and that you respect the fact that they are providing you and your family food on the table if not anything else.Not all loyalty can be valued with money, there are still opportunities for profit in other matches, it's not just about the club that supports it. If I were a club, I also wouldn't like to see my employees betray and would probably do the same to fire someone like that. Indeed, betting is the right of each gambler, but without the club, how can he work and earn money having too much ambition to make a lot of profit is not good and he deserves this punishment.
He could do that without having to bet against the club he was working for. There are a lot of matches and games and there can be more opportunities for one to make their bets even if they don't do it on one match, so he could leave the matches where his club was involved just for loyalty's sake.
To avoid any problem related to that situation much better for people working on some clubs not to bet on the league where their team is participating so that they can avoid getting bad blood for the club they are working since for sure if the management will find out that you are frequently betting on sportsbooks. They might think that you are doing some illegal activities that can cause for their team to lose. Betting is indeed a individual right of people but there's a limitation of that and people need to avoid anything that can give a conflict to his employer.
There are lot of matches to bet but the problem if this is acceptable action to the club they are working? So maybe its good to avoid betting and just go to other leagues since this give him peace and away from stress.
Something like that is like betraying the club that has employed him to get a salary every month because most of his hard work was obtained because he worked at the club he worked for but unfortunately he bet against the club he supports so that made the club owner feel angry and it's only natural that he was angry and fired this employee because if this employee bets to lose on the club he supports, it's the same as praying for the club he supports to lose. For anyone, if we support a club, we really have to work professionally, not only think about profits, but loyalty can be paid with money.
Not all loyalty can be valued with money, there are still opportunities for profit in other matches, it's not just about the club that supports it. If I were a club, I also wouldn't like to see my employees betray and would probably do the same to fire someone like that. Indeed, betting is the right of each gambler, but without the club, how can he work and earn money having too much ambition to make a lot of profit is not good and he deserves this punishment.
I think you are right that it's unethical even though he did it to earn some extra cash since he knew the club hadn't been performing very well and he could get a win if he bet against them, but as you said, if he was earning money by working for that club, being ethical would be to avoid betting against the club only to show that you are loyal to it and that you respect the fact that they are providing you and your family food on the table if not anything else.Not all loyalty can be valued with money, there are still opportunities for profit in other matches, it's not just about the club that supports it. If I were a club, I also wouldn't like to see my employees betray and would probably do the same to fire someone like that. Indeed, betting is the right of each gambler, but without the club, how can he work and earn money having too much ambition to make a lot of profit is not good and he deserves this punishment.
He could do that without having to bet against the club he was working for. There are a lot of matches and games and there can be more opportunities for one to make their bets even if they don't do it on one match, so he could leave the matches where his club was involved just for loyalty's sake.
I don't understand why some users called it a betrayal.
The person's who will see it as betrayal are those who have not been able to separate their emotions from gambling because although gambling is for fun, if there is an opportunity to make money from it you need to take it because you often lose and the opportunity to win does not often present itself. Betting against my team does not mean that I love them less because you do not only love a team when they are winning, you have to love them through the good and the bad times.
In the corporate world it's a betrayal in a way. Because he actually sweats for the club, he works with them, I guess. And that's a mistake on his end to let it get to the management of his club. People always look out for ways to figure out if a member of a firm broke a rule of the organization so that he could get penalized. I personally have observed that most people don't get hysterical about their club. Their aim is to gamble and win. Where this seems like a betrayal is that this person can easily detect if his team is well prepared enough to win or not in a game.
Then he bets against them. I think this would be a bigger issue in the football niche because gambling shouldn't be a one sided activity. Many people who work with football clubs may not always support their club. The thing remains that, if the gambler signed somewhere about this before getting hired that he's not meant to bet against his club, then he already broke a rule and deserves to be penalize. If not, then the club management is only emotional about his actions and sees it as betrayal through an unrealistic thought.
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