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Quote from: Stepstowealth on June 06, 2024, 06:32:00 PM

Quote from: Ultegra134 on June 06, 2024, 04:24:38 PM

I don't understand why some users called it a betrayal.

The person's who will see it as betrayal are those who have not been able to separate their emotions from gambling because although gambling is for fun, if there is an opportunity to make money from it you need to take it because you often lose and the opportunity to win does not often present itself.
Betting against my team does not mean that I love them less because you do not only love a team when they are winning, you have to love them through the good and the bad times.

When someone still gambles with emotion, of course they will gamble with greed and it would be better for us to think of gambling as a place to have fun. As you said, we have to see if we can get the chance to win, of course we have to be able to use the opportunity to win the bet. We play it because it's not certain that we can win on another occasion.

You are right, not choosing a favorite team when betting means that we no longer love that team in gambling, of course we have to be able to win the bets we play and if the opponent the team is facing has a chance of winning, of course we will prefer the team that can win the match so that we can win the bets we play.

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Quote from: Ultegra134 on June 06, 2024, 04:24:38 PM

I don't understand why some users called it a betrayal.

The person's who will see it as betrayal are those who have not been able to separate their emotions from gambling because although gambling is for fun, if there is an opportunity to make money from it you need to take it because you often lose and the opportunity to win does not often present itself.
Betting against my team does not mean that I love them less because you do not only love a team when they are winning, you have to love them through the good and the bad times.

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Quote from: uneng on June 06, 2024, 06:02:53 PM

Quote from: MainIbem on June 02, 2024, 06:39:07 PM

However this brings us back to the question, would you bet against the club you support ?

Personally, I wouldn't, because I don't feel comfortable doing so. If the club I support is playing a match, but I'm pretty confident they can't win, I just don't bet at all, because it doesn't seem right to make profit through the defeat of something I like very much or support. I would feel ashamed if I did so, as it really sounds like someone who is able to do this isn't a supporter at all, but a practical person who changes from side to side accordingly to what looks more benefical to him financially on the present time. I'm not in favour of such mindsets.

Moreover, I guess that is what the ones you support would expect from you: to be together even on the hardest times and during the defeats, isn't it? So that is what I think I should go for.

I have this problem in real life for my friends with mostly if this is going to happen they try to avoid because they never love to go against their club with they feel not comfortable even they all know this is surely going to lose, but they mostly drop this idea and never regret about this which is the best part of all.
But as I usually talk on social media with many peoples also never love to go against their clubs, but this is also depended on regions because in few regions they are feeling not bad about this as they are having good amount in win which is useful for them but in European region I have few peoples they never feel good about this and never love to do things like these.

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Quote from: MainIbem on June 02, 2024, 06:39:07 PM

However this brings us back to the question, would you bet against the club you support ?

Personally, I wouldn't, because I don't feel comfortable doing so. If the club I support is playing a match, but I'm pretty confident they can't win, I just don't bet at all, because it doesn't seem right to make profit through the defeat of something I like very much or support. I would feel ashamed if I did so, as it really sounds like someone who is able to do this isn't a supporter at all, but a practical person who changes from side to side accordingly to what looks more benefical to him financially on the present time. I'm not in favour of such mindsets.

Moreover, I guess that is what the ones you support would expect from you: to be together even on the hardest times and during the defeats, isn't it? So that is what I think I should go for.

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Quote from: MainIbem on June 02, 2024, 06:39:07 PM

Pardon me if this post or something similar have been created before now. Well this post was inspired by a news from Football Tweet on X concerning a Swansea City FC employee who got sacked for betting on the club he works in to lose for about 130 times. It's so unfortunate he lost his jobs, Well some people were in his support and claimed it's not his fault for the club to keep losing and the man was only trying to make extra cash, while there were others who claimed it was betrayal and he should've supported the club as a true fan. Left for me, I feel he's not a fan of the club and just an employee and I'll do same if I were not a fan of the club I work for moreover the club kept losing and he seized the opportunity to make extra cash from their misfortune. Well I never betted against the club i support I'll rather bet on other matches. However this brings us back to the question, would you bet against the club you support ?

I didn't see this as an issue here, the question we should have asked does the company club forbid employees from betting on their own club? If No, then the sack is justified because you can't go against the club policy, you offend them and they have the right to do and undo, the person cross the line to be honest and it's very wrong professionally because most of other people wouldn't like to work with her any more.

However, if there is no any rules about it, then the company is wrong for sacking her, they are very wrong and only trying to ease their losses on innocent employee who is just trying to make money. I though gambling is making predictions of an outcome and he was sure that the company is going to lose, what's there to make predictions and win some money, it's nothing to be sacked about unless there is something the company's is not telling the public.

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I don't understand why some users called it a betrayal. Will my team give me back my money if they lose? I'd certainly bet against my club (OFI), and I've done it a few times in the past already; it was a guaranteed defeat. Why would I support them with my bet? They were playing against Olympiakos, the team that won Fiorentina in the Conference League, and as you can guess, Olympiakos is a much greater team than OFI, which is a much smaller and local team.

I remember Olympiakos winning 4–0 in one match and 2–0 in the other. I'd be crazy to put my money on OFI just because it's the team I support.

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Quote from: taufik123 on June 06, 2024, 09:40:35 AM

Quote from: lovesmayfamilis on June 05, 2024, 02:27:49 AM

I would definitely do it. Especially if I knew all the “kitchen” that is going on in the team. I say this so confidently because I have something to do with a sports team in my country that regularly loses. The point is not that I would do this against the team, but the fact that the team does not receive any bonuses or salaries while the players lose. But by betting on a loss, I would be compensating myself for the amount that should be paid to me for the time I spend working for this team.

I like your reasoning, being realistic enough and not being a fan so fanatical as to overlook the benefits that can even be gained from the defeat of the team we supported in the first place.

After all, betting is profit-seeking, not just a pleasure and forcing a club that will actually lose, but is still supported.
Compensating for yourself also needs to be done, being a supporter who is too fanatical is also not good, look at reality and take advantage.

Your right. Most times the team or side we support do not perform well and it is obvious that betting on them who give nothing but consistent loss, so i think that no wise gambler would choose passion over his winnings even if it just for entertainment. The main reason why we gambler is to win or loss and we make sure we choose the right option that would win, if it s against our preferred team of course i would play against them. And if any day i see a probability of them winning i would bet on them.

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Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on June 04, 2024, 05:55:45 AM

There is no significant benefit to remaining loyal to a team that is doing poorly. Just out of bias it might be hard to do but once you’ve made a profit and the money is in your wallet, you will once again feel good and won’t feel any regret.

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but he was an employee there, not an ordinary fan. When he bets against the team he works for, it means he spits at the company he works for, is that kind of action worth tolerating? because even though you know that your club sucks and will definitely lose, you have to be able to put yourself there and think that you are working there and getting a salary from it. Is the reward from the bet better than the salary he will get in the future? just think rationally.

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Quote from: lovesmayfamilis on June 05, 2024, 02:27:49 AM

I would definitely do it. Especially if I knew all the “kitchen” that is going on in the team. I say this so confidently because I have something to do with a sports team in my country that regularly loses. The point is not that I would do this against the team, but the fact that the team does not receive any bonuses or salaries while the players lose. But by betting on a loss, I would be compensating myself for the amount that should be paid to me for the time I spend working for this team.

I like your reasoning, being realistic enough and not being a fan so fanatical as to overlook the benefits that can even be gained from the defeat of the team we supported in the first place.

After all, betting is profit-seeking, not just a pleasure and forcing a club that will actually lose, but is still supported.
Compensating for yourself also needs to be done, being a supporter who is too fanatical is also not good, look at reality and take advantage.

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Something like that is like betraying the club that has employed him to get a salary every month because most of his hard work was obtained because he worked at the club he worked for but unfortunately he bet against the club he supports so that made the club owner feel angry and it's only natural that he was angry and fired this employee because if this employee bets to lose on the club he supports, it's the same as praying for the club he supports to lose. For anyone, if we support a club, we really have to work professionally, not only think about profits, but loyalty can be paid with money.

Not all loyalty can be valued with money, there are still opportunities for profit in other matches, it's not just about the club that supports it. If I were a club, I also wouldn't like to see my employees betray and would probably do the same to fire someone like that. Indeed, betting is the right of each gambler, but without the club, how can he work and earn money having too much ambition to make a lot of profit is not good and he deserves this punishment.

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I love football and have been watching football since childhood. I have enough knowledge about different clubs. My all time best club in English Premier League is Manchester United I know my club can't do well but still I support this team. Again my favorite team in La-Liga is Real Madrid and I am always proud of this team and my favorite team in German league is Bayern Munich. That is, I follow these three leagues regularly, that's why three teams of these three leagues are my favorite. But for the sake of betting I'm definitely ready to bet against my club. If Manchester United fight against other strong opponents including Manchester United and Manchester City, but I will bet on that strong opponent instead of Manny Manchester United because I have more chances to win there. It's okay to support the team, but I definitely don't want to support the team and bet for that team even though I know they are going to lose.

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Why not. If I could bet against my friends after drinking together why I would restrict myself from betting against supported club. Gambling is more about money than about support of friendship.

One day I have staked a wager with a bookmaker against my club, gained clump of money (just my luck Wink

) which allowed me to take in their matches in the course of the whole season. I think in this case both won - me and my club.

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Quote from: MainIbem on June 02, 2024, 06:39:07 PM

Pardon me if this post or something similar have been created before now. Well this post was inspired by a news from Football Tweet on X concerning a Swansea City FC employee who got sacked for betting on the club he works in to lose for about 130 times. It's so unfortunate he lost his jobs, Well some people were in his support and claimed it's not his fault for the club to keep losing and the man was only trying to make extra cash, while there were others who claimed it was betrayal and he should've supported the club as a true fan. Left for me, I feel he's not a fan of the club and just an employee and I'll do same if I were not a fan of the club I work for moreover the club kept losing and he seized the opportunity to make extra cash from their misfortune. Well I never betted against the club i support I'll rather bet on other matches. However this brings us back to the question, would you bet against the club you support ?

I can't remember if I have ever bet against Manchester City this season not because they are too good but I just have some confidence in them that they wouldn't lose their match, they did and made me lose some money but I still believe in them. Ideally, it's not a good advice to bet against my club because they hardly lose their matches and some that I'm not sure about, I give them over goals because I know they will score some goals, not a good strategy for me.

But if indeed happen to be Chelsea or like Luiton town that ended in the relegation, I will choose them but the problem is that casino knows when a team is not good and when they does, the odd is always low. Imagine a situation like this where Manchester City was having a match with Luiton town, it's obvious that City are going to trash them and for this reason, bookmakers will lower their odd to almost nothing, so when you pick them to lose, you wouldn't make anything from the selection.

As for the lady, maybe it's in their policy for the employees to never bet against their club and she violated it and they sack her. In some places, gambling with your team or club is not allow, they forbid it and it's very wrong to that with gambling.

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Quote from: MainIbem on June 02, 2024, 06:39:07 PM

Well this post was inspired by a news from Football Tweet on X concerning a Swansea City FC employee who got sacked for betting on the club he works in to lose for about 130 times. It's so unfortunate he lost his jobs, Well some people were in his support and claimed it's not his fault for the club to keep losing and the man was only trying to make extra cash, while there were others who claimed it was betrayal and he should've supported the club as a true fan. Left for me,

Judging this case from a standard point of view, I must say that this man was just an ordinary employee who saw an opportunity, and wanted to take advantage of it, and nothing more, of which he owes no one an undiluted loyalty, inasmuch as he was exercising his primary duties. Because to me, I thought execution of primary duties would have been the top priority, and not the club an employee gambles on or not. Because I have just 3 questions I will love to ask regarding this matter, such as;
1. How did the club management got to know that he placed a bet against them to lose?
2. What was the outcome of the game? ( Did did he win the bet just as predicted or not..

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Quote from: MainIbem on June 02, 2024, 06:39:07 PM

Pardon me if this post or something similar have been created before now. Well this post was inspired by a news from Football Tweet on X concerning a Swansea City FC employee who got sacked for betting on the club he works in to lose for about 130 times. It's so unfortunate he lost his jobs, Well some people were in his support and claimed it's not his fault for the club to keep losing and the man was only trying to make extra cash, while there were others who claimed it was betrayal and he should've supported the club as a true fan. Left for me, I feel he's not a fan of the club and just an employee and I'll do same if I were not a fan of the club I work for moreover the club kept losing and he seized the opportunity to make extra cash from their misfortune. Well I never betted against the club i support I'll rather bet on other matches. However this brings us back to the question, would you bet against the club you support ?

LOL. I can see that you love the team you support so much. It wasn't a bad idea to bet against the team that you support. If the team you support is not in good form to win their game, it is not bad to bet on their opponents to win, I have done that so many times against the team that I support because I'm not the manager to build the players, I am just an ordinary fan who loves the club, and I gamble to get more money. Did you say you would rather bet on other clubs than bet against the club you support? Well, that's all for you but I don't think someone who gambles to make some cash will do so. Even some managers have gambled against their team to lose.

Haven't you see where a player betted against them to lose? Let me use Sandro Tonali as an example, the Newcastle player who has been banned from football for ten months with illegal betting charges, so that was not bad to bet against the team that you support when they continuously lose their games. I do not blame any fans who bet against the club they support because we don't know the situation they are in, and gambling is made for fun.

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Quote from: knowngunman on June 05, 2024, 02:51:10 AM

In as much as I know that what he did was totally wrong, I don't see anything like betrayal in this case. I don't support what he did neither did not condemn his action because his bet has no any impact on the performance of the club. He's just victimized for trying to utilize the opportunity that every gambler will like to seize too. It's the club that betrayed him for invading into his privacy to investigate his bets. Is there any agreement between the employees and the club concerning this? I guess No! He's not a player and can not influence the game but only analyze the team current form and place the bet to make extra money, perhaps he's underpay in the club.

I won't like playing bet against my team but whenever I play bet in favor of them and they lose the game, I do regret it and wish to have played against them in the first place. I mostly avoid including my club in my ticket when they are playing against a strong team that there winning is not guaranteed. My conscious will not allow me to play against my club. It's possible that the employee is not a fan of the club by the way but just a worker and he has the right to play his bet as he wish even as fan.

If your suggestion says that what he did is wrong then it's right to see it as betrayal to the club he works for, left for me I'll only see it as wrong when there are certain rules that goes against his actions if not i don't see anything bad in trying to make an extra cash by betting against his employers, if my employers are constantly performing poorly and I figure I could make extra money if I bet against them, I think I'll seize that opportunity. Also there are chances that he could've lost one of those bets cause I've seen situations where underdogs become the Victors, but in this case they kept losing so it's a plus for him. What if he had bet on them to lose and they won on more occasions would they still query him for losing his bets? no I don't think so. I'm a die hard fan of the team I support, I've never betted against them, I'll rather bet on number of goals or both teams to score or my team to win or draw but in a case where they have a poor season and keep performing poorly on a regular, I think I'll be forced to bet against them in certain matches were they're definitely the underdogs.

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Quote from: MainIbem on June 02, 2024, 06:39:07 PM

It's so unfortunate he lost his jobs, Well some people were in his support and claimed it's not his fault for the club to keep losing and the man was only trying to make extra cash, while there were others who claimed it was betrayal and he should've supported the club as a true fan.

In as much as I know that what he did was totally wrong, I don't see anything like betrayal in this case. I don't support what he did neither did not condemn his action because his bet has no any impact on the performance of the club. He's just victimized for trying to utilize the opportunity that every gambler will like to seize too. It's the club that betrayed him for invading into his privacy to investigate his bets. Is there any agreement between the employees and the club concerning this? I guess No! He's not a player and can not influence the game but only analyze the team current form and place the bet to make extra money, perhaps he's underpay in the club.

I won't like playing bet against my team but whenever I play bet in favor of them and they lose the game, I do regret it and wish to have played against them in the first place. I mostly avoid including my club in my ticket when they are playing against a strong team that there winning is not guaranteed. My conscious will not allow me to play against my club. It's possible that the employee is not a fan of the club by the way but just a worker and he has the right to play his bet as he wish even as fan.

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I would definitely do it. Especially if I knew all the “kitchen” that is going on in the team. I say this so confidently because I have something to do with a sports team in my country that regularly loses. The point is not that I would do this against the team, but the fact that the team does not receive any bonuses or salaries while the players lose. But by betting on a loss, I would be compensating myself for the amount that should be paid to me for the time I spend working for this team.

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I think he made a very big mistake by going against the rules of their club because as an employee of a team or company I didn't see the reason why you should violate just because of a single bet you lose your job. However I think, one that is not and employee can bet against their club why because you can't say that you are a Manchester united fans and you know that they are going to lose the match instead of you to play against them and collect your money you take because you are Man united fans and lose your bet why you know that they can win the match.

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I remember reading more or less the same topic, where I basically said that gambling for or against your favorite club doesn't necessarily mean supporting or betraying them unless your club explicitly made profits from the bet result. Even if a casino sponsors your club, I doubt our club will get a pie on betting results since that can put them into dicey situations. I'd buy official shirts or mercs if supporting my club financial situation is what I desired. It feels weird seeing how somebody can get so heated up when somebody else bets against their club, maybe because the betting culture is different.

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