I dont know if anybody have noticed that lunamine site is completely offline.
I don't know if you ever read this thread. Uh, wait. I DO know... :-p
Topic: www.lunamine.com - 0.0025 BTC/GHs mining contracts | On-demand withdrawals - page 9. (Read 41501 times)
August 18, 2014, 02:33:24 AM
I don't know if you ever read this thread. Uh, wait. I DO know... :-p
August 18, 2014, 02:14:53 AM
I dont know if anybody have noticed that lunamine site is completely offline.
August 18, 2014, 01:09:12 AM
Hm, glad I didn't invest a lot in this. Returned from a vacation of 12 days without internet to find this.
He claims to have emailed the users but I haven't received anything.
He claims to have emailed the users but I haven't received anything.
No one has received anything, I'm pretty sure this was just a way for him to get more time to cover his tracks before people starting hunting him down.
Guess it's too late though, I feel sorry for an IRL friend of mine who started mining with them and spent his only bitcoins into it, now he has lost faith in btc for the wrong reasons...
August 17, 2014, 08:36:17 PM
Hm, glad I didn't invest a lot in this. Returned from a vacation of 12 days without internet to find this.
He claims to have emailed the users but I haven't received anything.
He claims to have emailed the users but I haven't received anything.
August 17, 2014, 04:21:05 PM
So this turned out to be a scam then?
That's a shame. Atleast I didn't invest anything, and they did actually pay me for the referrals I made.
That's a shame. Atleast I didn't invest anything, and they did actually pay me for the referrals I made.
August 17, 2014, 09:32:05 AM
I refuse to say that i have lost $1600.. I still have some faith that lunamine will appear soon explaining all yhis shit and paying everything :-(
we all want that to happen but seems like Lunamine don't care about us and he is counting his coins which he stole.
But the world is small
and all of the scammers will get their karma one day.
August 17, 2014, 08:59:21 AM
I refuse to say that i have lost $1600.. I still have some faith that lunamine will appear soon explaining all yhis shit and paying everything :-(
August 17, 2014, 08:30:50 AM
I cannot believe Lunamine didn't came back to us...
What a silly scammer he/they are.
What a silly scammer he/they are.
August 17, 2014, 05:53:54 AM
I really hope no one is still waiting for OP to come back and give you the new address... It's not happening guys. It was a good planned scam and it got all of us.
Well he could come back as a newbie claiming it really isn't a scam ... 
August 17, 2014, 05:46:29 AM
I really hope no one is still waiting for OP to come back and give you the new address... It's not happening guys. It was a good planned scam and it got all of us.
August 16, 2014, 06:26:08 PM
FYI : A thread was started recently in the "Scam Accusations" section ...
Title : "Lunamine.com is a BIG SCAM - Scammed Customer and Forum Members"
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/lunaminecom-is-a-big-scam-scammed-customer-and-forum-members-739917
August 16, 2014, 12:07:33 PM
In addition to criminal investigation you can do a civil one in my country. You can get information, issue seubpoemss for information and then recover what you lost. The problem here would be proving what funds are owned by lunamine and then being able to seize the funds.
August 16, 2014, 04:31:04 AM
Me too, but I still don't have enough information to decide whether this is a scam or not.
Then do your homework.
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This is irrelevant to the question "is it a scam ?" and does not bring information as to what did happen.
The operator being attacked and/or having sustained loss of, for example, his private PC, thus preventing him to contact anyone, would be another equally valid speculation.
There is another fact which would plead in favor of incapacitation of the operator : the wallet remains untouched to this date (and should be closely monitored). Leaving the money in the chest is hardly running away with it, and is even an element of doubt as to whether it is a scam.
The operator being attacked and/or having sustained loss of, for example, his private PC, thus preventing him to contact anyone, would be another equally valid speculation.
There is another fact which would plead in favor of incapacitation of the operator : the wallet remains untouched to this date (and should be closely monitored). Leaving the money in the chest is hardly running away with it, and is even an element of doubt as to whether it is a scam.
It is relevant. Something is not in my possession anymore. What you are saying is: If someone is being defrauded, you can't call it fraud until you have all facts together. This is plain wrong. If you can not get back your money, you normally go to the police and file a complaint. Then the police does the research. Then the judge tells you, if you are right or wrong. What you say is basically: "We have to protect fraudsters all over the world."
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Unconclusive : I've seen many very small companies either registered under a different name, or being still in the process of being registered. This does not allow to reach a conclusion.
Okay, which company in Sweden has been running an operation while still being registered? Have you talked to the You are only speculating. not bringing ANY evidence. Have you talked to the people at Bolagsverket? I know you haven't because then you would know that no company is in the proceeding of being registered at the given address.
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Indeed, but that could also very possibly be because it is someone who doesn't want to be harassed or pay taxes on crypto-currencies revenue. There is a greater proportion of people wanting their privacy to remain undisturbed in the bitcoin-related field than in the general population. Although I don't take extraordinary steps to hide my real-life identity, I'm not publishing it either, for I value some degree of privacy.
You are in the nice field of speculation.
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Speculation. How do you know whether someone opens an email or not ? Did you hack into those yahoo accounts ?
Most probably, you simply don't know.
Most probably, you simply don't know.
You say you are an investigator and don't know how to find out if someone is accessing the mail account at Yahoo? I do know and have the evidence, while you prove that you do not know anything about investigative work.
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Untrue. There are several persons using that name, in Europe and elsewhere.
Would you mind sharing this information with me? If necessary also by PM. Maybe I have to be more precise: I only checked in Europe for persons of age. But you seem just to speculate...
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Irrelevant. There are many ways to attack, or more generally put a server offline, and I didn't allude to a DDOS.
He did mention ddos. And this, while he was obviously able to send out mail. And: He sent out mails via his Yahoo-account...Quote
Well, shit happens. I could for example illustrate that Bitmain did not send me my coupons for the S3 batch 1, but that doesn't make scammers of them.
Bitmain hasn't anything to do with Lunamine. Did Lunamine pay or not? Stick with the facts.
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This not a proof at all. The operator could be prevented to inform lunamine customers, for any reason including loss of passwords, data, theft of identity etc.
As for the fake registration data, well, why not, that would be a (somewhat ill-advised, indeed) way to keep some privacy.
As for the fake registration data, well, why not, that would be a (somewhat ill-advised, indeed) way to keep some privacy.
Speculation. Stick with the facts.
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Well, that doesn't change the fact that you made an unfounded accusation without evidence to back it up.
Not knowing the identity of someone you harm the reputation of is not a justification to do so.
Not knowing the identity of someone you harm the reputation of is not a justification to do so.
Lol, you are really not knowing anything about any legal system, right?
Who's reputation did I harm? looool? Name him. Her. It.
I can say that Winnetou Speckdrosselflug is a total fraudster. Because he does not exist.
You basically are protecting fraudster with your "argumentation" - victims have to do the research, in your opinion, then go and file a lawsuit, presenting all the evidence. I don't know in which country you are living in. But in the civilized world, if a contract is broken and you can't get your funds anymore, you go to the police and the police does the investigation. Then the judge does decide wether or not it is fraud. But you would file a criminal complaint, thus indicating that you are convinced that it is fraud.
August 16, 2014, 03:39:20 AM
Why is it always newbies defending the scams?
Ok, my profile indicates "newbie", which is some grade level on this forum, fair enough.
That does not mean I have never investigated a crime before.
In that regard, I wonder who would be the "newbie" between you and me... or do I ?
So, you just did it, you used the word "scam".
Now go prove it.
This is a challenge to you, the non-"newbie" : prove that your accusation stands.
No trick allowed.
Real evidence is mandated by the gravity of your accusation.
By qualifying something of "scam", you are taking a very strong stance, and you get the responsibility of bringing solid proof in support of your accusation.
Otherwise, you've just committed libel.
Think about it, and be more careful when you accuse someone.
As far as pbmining goes, I have presented proof that it is a Ponzi, they might have some mining, but they can't have enough for all of the GS they have sold. The proof is very easy in their case because of the 5 year contracts and the amount of power that would require compared to the cost of the GS. Also the fact that they pay exactly what the theoretical yield is. Anyway that is all over on the https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/pbmining-legit-484355 thread.
With lunamine, I tried them early on, wasn't impressed with what they were doing and they were clearly hiding information. That coupled with deals too good to be true clearly equals a scam in my mine. Add in the current events and you would have to be pretty crazy to trust them.
As for you, you clearly don't even seem to understand the concept of libel. You are just trying to bully people into not speaking their minds. These forums exist to talk about these types of issues. Something is seriously wrong with what you are doing.
August 15, 2014, 11:38:18 PM
Obviously their is no hard evidence yet.. but how long do you guys hope waiting for it to NOT be a scam ?
I bet the Pirate, TF, Ukyo etc etc etc people are also still holding up hope their investments weren't scams...
Regardless, if the people here call it a scam or not, it does not change the outcome..
I bet the Pirate, TF, Ukyo etc etc etc people are also still holding up hope their investments weren't scams...
Regardless, if the people here call it a scam or not, it does not change the outcome..
August 15, 2014, 11:27:25 PM
All this back and forth and I haven't heard one POSSIBLE explanation as to why lunamine wouldn't come on here and say what'a going on. Heck he could even come on under an alt account and tell us if he can't get onto his lunamine account.
this is because it was scam. cant u get it?
Nice post padding post dude, and you were so nice too.
I was talking to the people who are saying this isn't a scam. I DO think it's a scam.
hah ok i didnt read all posts.. just making sure people get it
August 15, 2014, 10:59:37 PM
All this back and forth and I haven't heard one POSSIBLE explanation as to why lunamine wouldn't come on here and say what'a going on. Heck he could even come on under an alt account and tell us if he can't get onto his lunamine account.
this is because it was scam. cant u get it?
Nice post padding post dude, and you were so nice too.
I was talking to the people who are saying this isn't a scam. I DO think it's a scam.
August 15, 2014, 10:42:11 PM
All this back and forth and I haven't heard one POSSIBLE explanation as to why lunamine wouldn't come on here and say what'a going on. Heck he could even come on under an alt account and tell us if he can't get onto his lunamine account.
this is because it was scam. cant u get it?
August 15, 2014, 10:30:13 PM
All this back and forth and I haven't heard one POSSIBLE explanation as to why lunamine wouldn't come on here and say what'a going on. Heck he could even come on under an alt account and tell us if he can't get onto his lunamine account.
August 15, 2014, 10:09:13 PM
Fact is: I invested.
Me too, but I still don't have enough information to decide whether this is a scam or not.
Fact is: I should get something for what I invested. Remember: He labeled it "contract".
Fact is: I do not get what I should get according to the contract.
Fact is: I do not get what I should get according to the contract.
This is irrelevant to the question "is it a scam ?" and does not bring information as to what did happen.
The operator being attacked and/or having sustained loss of, for example, his private PC, thus preventing him to contact anyone, would be another equally valid speculation.
There is another fact which would plead in favor of incapacitation of the operator : the wallet remains untouched to this date (and should be closely monitored). Leaving the money in the chest is hardly running away with it, and is even an element of doubt as to whether it is a scam.
Fact is: There is no way to contact "Lunamine".
Reverse logic: this fact is the origin of the problem, not an element of the conclusion.
Fact is: Lunamine as a company does not exist in Sweden.
Fact is: No company by the name "Lunamine" exists in Europe
Unconclusive : I've seen many very small companies either registered under a different name, or being still in the process of being registered. This does not allow to reach a conclusion.Fact is: No company by the name "Lunamine" exists in Europe
Fact is: All IPs we have seen until now lead to a Swedish OpenVPN provider
Indeed, but that could also very possibly be because it is someone who doesn't want to be harassed or pay taxes on crypto-currencies revenue. There is a greater proportion of people wanting their privacy to remain undisturbed in the bitcoin-related field than in the general population. Although I don't take extraordinary steps to hide my real-life identity, I'm not publishing it either, for I value some degree of privacy.
Fact is: No mails which are sent to the person who has registered the domain Lunamine are opened
Speculation. How do you know whether someone opens an email or not ? Did you hack into those yahoo accounts ?Most probably, you simply don't know.
Fact is: The only person in Europe with the name "Lunamine" was using for registering the domain lives in Belgium, runs a real-estate firm and doesn't know anything about Lunamine.
Untrue. There are several persons using that name, in Europe and elsewhere.Fact is: A ddos would not affect the mail-server he is using.
Irrelevant. There are many ways to attack, or more generally put a server offline, and I didn't allude to a DDOS.Fact is: He did not pay for the sig-campaign
Well, shit happens. I could for example illustrate that Bitmain did not send me my coupons for the S3 batch 1, but that doesn't make scammers of them.There's much more facts. However, not one single claim from "Lunamine" is factual.
Neither are your "facts". You are mixing up premises and conclusions. Beware of that logical trap.Go, do your research. Good luck. File a lawsuit in Sweden. Too bad that the OpenVPN-provider doesn't keep any logs.
As I told previously, I have doubts regarding the Sweden location of lunamine's operator.Well, file a lawsuit in the US for getting a court order for revealing the data Lunamine left with namecheap. Too bad namecheap hasn't any records with real data for "Lunamine".
As you say, that trail too would be a waste of time.I can easily prove that it is a scam: My assets have gone, and I do not have any possibility to contact the person who has it, to get my assets back or to get information about its whereabouts. I can prove that the person used fake data for registering and promoting the service and so on.
This not a proof at all. The operator could be prevented to inform lunamine customers, for any reason including loss of passwords, data, theft of identity etc.As for the fake registration data, well, why not, that would be a (somewhat ill-advised, indeed) way to keep some privacy.
So yes: I call it scam, fraud, criminal behavior.
Sorry, you're speculating. You have not proven that it is a scam.Libel? Well, who will file a civil suit against me? A company which does not exist? A person which does not exist? Get real....
Well, that doesn't change the fact that you made an unfounded accusation without evidence to back it up.Not knowing the identity of someone you harm the reputation of is not a justification to do so.
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