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synechist

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Quote from: synechist on July 21, 2014, 03:49:58 AM

Quote from: Queeq on July 21, 2014, 03:47:53 AM

Could you please remind, what prevents malicious party from creating so many Xnodes that it would allow them to see the majority of private transactions? As far as I understand, there are no specific requirements (like 550 XCs before) so it's fairly easy for one party to have like 99% of the network nodes.

If doesn't matter how many Xnodes one person owns: trustless mixing makes it impossible to steal coins.

This is the whole point about the word "trustless": you don't have to trust other nodes.

Their owners could have whatever intentions they like and it'll make no difference. Trustless mixing ensures coins get to where they're intended to go.

CryptoGretzky

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Quote from: Queeq on July 21, 2014, 03:47:53 AM

Could you please remind, what prevents malicious party from creating so many Xnodes that it would allow them to see the majority of private transactions? As far as I understand, there are no specific requirements (like 550 XCs before) so it's fairly easy for one party to have like 99% of the network nodes.

If that person has 99% of the network nodes, then the price would be bitcoin level cause just trying to buy up that much coins would push it to astronomical level.... he can steal all the coins he wants because then it's his value to lose....

ps. he still can't steal cause the Xnodes are trustless, but it would be nice if he tries to get 99% of the coins due to the above price pushing skyward effect though Grin

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Quote from: Queeq on July 21, 2014, 03:47:53 AM

Could you please remind, what prevents malicious party from creating so many Xnodes that it would allow them to see the majority of private transactions? As far as I understand, there are no specific requirements (like 550 XCs before) so it's fairly easy for one party to have like 99% of the network nodes.

It's depending on algorithm of rounting. If there's no coins in this wallet, it might not be selected into the sending path.
Just could avoid this issue in algorithm, I think.

synechist

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To commodify ethicality is to ethicise the market

Quote from: Queeq on July 21, 2014, 03:47:53 AM

Could you please remind, what prevents malicious party from creating so many Xnodes that it would allow them to see the majority of private transactions? As far as I understand, there are no specific requirements (like 550 XCs before) so it's fairly easy for one party to have like 99% of the network nodes.

If doesn't matter how many Xnodes one person owns: trustless mixing makes it impossible to steal coins.

synechist

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To commodify ethicality is to ethicise the market

Quote from: CrazyLeoW on July 21, 2014, 03:43:24 AM

Why not set a bounty for GUI design??? think about what we did for XC LOGO.
I think wallet UI inheriting from BTC is really ugly!!!
Current GUI just like a win95 application!!!! FUCK!

The UI for Rev 3 is going to be incredible.

Work on this is already underway.

You should get a preview of it sometime around Rev 2.5 as per the roadmap. ;-)

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HI, the developer, when to start released Rev 3 ?

Queeq

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Could you please remind, what prevents malicious party from creating so many Xnodes that it would allow them to see the majority of private transactions? As far as I understand, there are no specific requirements (like 550 XCs before) so it's fairly easy for one party to have like 99% of the network nodes.

CryptoGretzky

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Quote from: Trezi on July 21, 2014, 03:24:21 AM

Every child in here wants a statement from Daddy (atcsecure).

Why don't you guys use the XC anon feature for your transactions and figure out its features? Oh right, most of you don't give a fuck about it. Please stop wasting the mods + devs + my time with these whiny comments.

+1

The "sky is falling" trolls are out in full force tonight. Wow.

Leigh2k14... you are one serious impulsive and impatient MF... How old are you? 5?

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Why not set a bounty for GUI design??? think about what we did for XC LOGO.
I think wallet UI inheriting from BTC is really ugly!!!
Current GUI just like a win95 application!!!! FUCK!

synechist

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Quote from: Artoodeetoo on July 21, 2014, 03:18:51 AM

there is very little to it and its unclear what was delivered.... Again just my opinion..

Fair enough. In that case I'll say it again and keep saying it:

The full Rev 2 has been out since 7/7/14

The final Rev 2 will just be refinements and UI improvements

Rev 2 includes an unprecedented world-first: trustless mixing

Rev 2 is multinode multipath: transaction fragments are sent to multiple nodes and then mixed and forwarded trustlessly

Private transactions are multisig and nodes cannot steal coins

Every XC app is an Xnode

(You don't need 550XC to run an Xnode)

XC's anonymity level is ridiculously high. There's nothing like it.

Trezi

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Every child in here wants a statement from Daddy (atcsecure).

Why don't you guys use the XC anon feature for your transactions and figure out its features? Oh right, most of you don't give a fuck about it. Please stop wasting the mods + devs + my time with these whiny comments.

Artoodeetoo

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Quote from: synechist on July 21, 2014, 03:14:28 AM

Quote from: Artoodeetoo on July 21, 2014, 03:09:49 AM

Its not what you say mate, its just that was what was posted by Dan and was basically the release message for REV 2..

I am well aware you have since added to that numerous times, but that was the REV2 release message that many people waited to see... And what I am saying is, this is the reason for the confusion.... This was read by a lot of people who came to see REV 2 released, and that is what Dan wrote...

This is why I would (personally) like a REV 2 statement out of Dan to say - yes its out, it does all of these things, as I cannot find that information from him as a formal announcement to update his initial REV 2 announcement....

Just my opinion but I think this is the root of the problem.

My opinion is that if Dan were to post here, stating that Rev 2 functionality has been out since 7/7/14, so few people would notice it that it would make no greater difference than my numerous posts.

I also don't think that a statement from Dan will make people believe what I say. It's not as if anyone has a reason to mistrust me or anyone else on the team. It's just that too many people don't pay sufficient attention to the facts and then spread misinformation.

Fair enough mate, if you do go back to posts around the 660 page mark, when ATC posted that update, the board was so busy.... That statement therefore was seen by many.... I believe it is the reason for all of the confusion, as you noted when I posted it, there is very little to it and its unclear what was delivered.... Again just my opinion..

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Quote from: shockstar on July 21, 2014, 03:10:18 AM

Quote from: Jacques de Molay on July 21, 2014, 02:54:29 AM

Quote from: leigh2k14 on July 21, 2014, 01:10:53 AM

Quote from: rockstahh on July 21, 2014, 12:53:38 AM

Quote from: CrazyLeoW on July 21, 2014, 12:13:02 AM

Quote from: ?? on ??

Quote from: CrazyLeoW on July 21, 2014, 12:00:54 AM

Quote from: rockstahh on July 20, 2014, 11:57:51 PM

Quote from: CrazyLeoW on July 20, 2014, 11:56:34 PM

Wealth Distribution

Top N addresses   Holdings   Percentage
Top 10   1,731,366 XC   31.38 %
Top 100   4,188,332 XC   75.91 %
Top 1000   5,363,999 XC   97.21 %
All 5782   5,517,852 XC   100 %

More and more people are getting on board.
Glad to see some TOP 10 people distributed their coins at low price.

let the price do the talking.

short term price talks nothing. Grin

Really?

yes.
Don't hesitate to dump all your XC coins(if you have) please. Panic dump is welcome. Duuuuuuuuuuump PLZ.

Again, I'll just let the price, do the talkin'

We're currently at 140k Cry

How many other people thought that we would get a fully working Xnode system on the 7/7? not just me?

We have been confused for the last two weeks, quite a few people thought the Dev would deliver this last night, but nothing was delivered, did he even deliver the update for the Privacy UI? This is why the price is sucking right now.

I'll be honest i'm on the fence with XC right now, this is why I sold half of my holdings, this may change either way over the next week or two.

Another thing, stop saying "it will be released when it's ready and not before" this is a sucky attitude to have, and does not inspire investor confidence.

No, people like you do not inspire confidence with your Chicken little sky is falling attitude because they didnt fit YOUR timetable. I have nothing but respect and confidence in these devs as they are not your run of the mill incognito scam artists that pollutes these forums.

Seems people forget including this muppet the coin is still very new, and so far everything works as described, seems like you want a fancy bullshit wallet that give headjobs as well as your "full xnode anon" which does work right now, why the hurry are you james bond and need to transfer millions secretly now ? whatever dude, dump the rest of your bag like a good panic seller and I will gladly hold all the new xc I been picking up - as I know better then to get all pissy and moody because all my day trading profits vanished which is what your post screams of.

For the record I always read ATCSECURES posts and his teams, NEVER EVER EVER do I listen for news about this coin from majority in this thread - including you.

Ding Ding. We have a winner!!!

Please stop asking for release dates. All you guys want to do is ride the Pump before the release is out and then Dump. Ex: 20 BTC sell from 175k to 140k. This is why the price has been like this. Its BS to XC pricing at 145k. Shit coins are higher than XC. SMH. sigh...

Leigh2k14. Please stop. If you don't have confidence in this coin, don't invest in it. NUFFSAID.

Second this.

synechist

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To commodify ethicality is to ethicise the market

Quote from: Artoodeetoo on July 21, 2014, 03:09:49 AM

Its not what you say mate, its just that was what was posted by Dan and was basically the release message for REV 2..

I am well aware you have since added to that numerous times, but that was the REV2 release message that many people waited to see... And what I am saying is, this is the reason for the confusion.... This was read by a lot of people who came to see REV 2 released, and that is what Dan wrote...

This is why I would (personally) like a REV 2 statement out of Dan to say - yes its out, it does all of these things, as I cannot find that information from him as a formal announcement to update his initial REV 2 announcement....

Just my opinion but I think this is the root of the problem.

My opinion is that if Dan were to post here, stating that Rev 2 functionality has been out since 7/7/14, so few people would notice it that it would make no greater difference than my numerous posts.

I also don't think that a statement from Dan will make people believe what I say. It's not as if anyone has a reason to mistrust me or anyone else on the team. It's just that too many people don't pay sufficient attention to the facts and then spread misinformation.

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Quote from: Jacques de Molay on July 21, 2014, 02:54:29 AM

Quote from: leigh2k14 on July 21, 2014, 01:10:53 AM

Quote from: rockstahh on July 21, 2014, 12:53:38 AM

Quote from: CrazyLeoW on July 21, 2014, 12:13:02 AM

Quote from: ?? on ??

Quote from: CrazyLeoW on July 21, 2014, 12:00:54 AM

Quote from: rockstahh on July 20, 2014, 11:57:51 PM

Quote from: CrazyLeoW on July 20, 2014, 11:56:34 PM

Wealth Distribution

Top N addresses   Holdings   Percentage
Top 10   1,731,366 XC   31.38 %
Top 100   4,188,332 XC   75.91 %
Top 1000   5,363,999 XC   97.21 %
All 5782   5,517,852 XC   100 %

More and more people are getting on board.
Glad to see some TOP 10 people distributed their coins at low price.

let the price do the talking.

short term price talks nothing. Grin

Really?

yes.
Don't hesitate to dump all your XC coins(if you have) please. Panic dump is welcome. Duuuuuuuuuuump PLZ.

Again, I'll just let the price, do the talkin'

We're currently at 140k Cry

How many other people thought that we would get a fully working Xnode system on the 7/7? not just me?

We have been confused for the last two weeks, quite a few people thought the Dev would deliver this last night, but nothing was delivered, did he even deliver the update for the Privacy UI? This is why the price is sucking right now.

I'll be honest i'm on the fence with XC right now, this is why I sold half of my holdings, this may change either way over the next week or two.

Another thing, stop saying "it will be released when it's ready and not before" this is a sucky attitude to have, and does not inspire investor confidence.

No, people like you do not inspire confidence with your Chicken little sky is falling attitude because they didnt fit YOUR timetable. I have nothing but respect and confidence in these devs as they are not your run of the mill incognito scam artists that pollutes these forums.

Seems people forget including this muppet the coin is still very new, and so far everything works as described, seems like you want a fancy bullshit wallet that give headjobs as well as your "full xnode anon" which does work right now, why the hurry are you james bond and need to transfer millions secretly now ? whatever dude, dump the rest of your bag like a good panic seller and I will gladly hold all the new xc I been picking up - as I know better then to get all pissy and moody because all my day trading profits vanished which is what your post screams of.

For the record I always read ATCSECURES posts and his teams, NEVER EVER EVER do I listen for news about this coin from majority in this thread - including you.

Ding Ding. We have a winner!!!

Please stop asking for release dates. All you guys want to do is ride the Pump before the release is out and then Dump. Ex: 20 BTC sell from 175k to 140k. This is why the price has been like this. Its BS to XC pricing at 145k. Shit coins are higher than XC. SMH. sigh...

Leigh2k14. Please stop. If you don't have confidence in this coin, don't invest in it. NUFFSAID.

synechist

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To commodify ethicality is to ethicise the market

Quote from: CrazyLeoW on July 21, 2014, 03:08:10 AM

Quote from: synechist on July 21, 2014, 02:41:45 AM

Quote from: leigh2k14 on July 21, 2014, 02:35:37 AM

I'm on about we were promised a fully working xnode anon on the 7th

Quote from: jasinlee on July 20, 2014, 12:27:21 PM
It has been tested and works, just be patient.

that was a reply from yesterday by jasinlee, where I asked when we were getting our "FULLY WORKING XNODE SYSTEM"

We were promised a fully working Xnode system by the 7th.

And so... what part of "it has been tested and works" suggests that it's not the full multipath tech we promised?

It is the full multipath tech, plus an unprecedented addition: trustless mixing.

Also this was ages ago. Since then I've told you personally several times that the full Rev 2 is working and downloadable.

hello synechist,
Committing a release date is not a good strategy for a new product, especially for a new technology. Just like scrum management is not fit for new software development, you should know if you are a software engineer, since there'll be a lot risk you cannot estimate.
But that doesn't mean you guys could not report progress you have achieved on these working days. Actually I made a daily report of my task and send to my team everyday.
We don't need tech details on how thing going, but a task title you've addressed today. I think it's not hard to do so.
thanks.

Yeah, that's a good idea. Thanks.

I'll discuss it with the team.

Artoodeetoo

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Hi Synechist,

Its not what you say mate, its just that was what was posted by Dan and was basically the release message for REV 2..

I am well aware you have since added to that numerous times, but that was the REV2 release message that many people waited to see... And what I am saying is, this is the reason for the confusion.... This was read by a lot of people who came to see REV 2 released, and that is what Dan wrote...

This is why I would (personally) like a REV 2 statement out of Dan to say - yes its out, it does all of these things, as I cannot find that information from him as a formal announcement to update his initial REV 2 announcement....

Just my opinion but I think this is the root of the problem.

I am fully behind XC and yourself, I can see the work you get through is tremendous.. I know im sitting on the sidelines, but I find it frustrating as I feel like I can see where the problem is.... I may be way off the mark, if others come and tell me im being stupid then I will just shut up and wait and watch Cheesy

CrazyLeoW

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Quote from: synechist on July 21, 2014, 02:41:45 AM

Quote from: leigh2k14 on July 21, 2014, 02:35:37 AM

I'm on about we were promised a fully working xnode anon on the 7th

Quote from: jasinlee on July 20, 2014, 12:27:21 PM
It has been tested and works, just be patient.

that was a reply from yesterday by jasinlee, where I asked when we were getting our "FULLY WORKING XNODE SYSTEM"

We were promised a fully working Xnode system by the 7th.

And so... what part of "it has been tested and works" suggests that it's not the full multipath tech we promised?

It is the full multipath tech, plus an unprecedented addition: trustless mixing.

Also this was ages ago. Since then I've told you personally several times that the full Rev 2 is working and downloadable.

hello synechist,
Committing a release date is not a good strategy for a new product, especially for a new technology. Just like scrum management is not fit for new software development, you should know if you are a software engineer, since there'll be a lot risk you cannot estimate.
But that doesn't mean you guys could not report progress you have achieved on these working days. Actually I made a daily report of my task and send to my team everyday.
We don't need tech details on how thing going, but a task title you've addressed today. I think it's not hard to do so.
thanks.

synechist

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To commodify ethicality is to ethicise the market

Quote from: Artoodeetoo on July 21, 2014, 03:00:34 AM

Quote from: atcsecure on July 07, 2014, 11:00:26 PM

Dear XC Community,

We apologize for missing our deadline, but want to emphasize that the XC team is committed to delivering a world-class product.

The download link for the REV2 beta release, which is fully decentralized, will be posted shortly for testing.

Dan

Synechist - that is what was posted on the REV 2 release date - and this is the reason (IMO) why everyone is confused.. You are saying REV 2 is now out on main net and not beta etc etc etc...

Im not sure ATC has ever confirmed it? I think the above is the reason why people think it is still in beta, or not released, or whatever else they think...

Personally I think the whole REV 2 release has been handled badly... I still hold and I still support but I do think updates need to be more regular and clearer... Not just a token chart to satisfy us.. Its 2 weeks since the above, we have had loads of people join the team, with great CV's and we are just interested to know what is going on....

Also re timescales, I agree 100% you should not be nailing yourselves down too rigidly, but equally you need to give some idea of when things can be expected, even if it is just the month..... If XC is to be run like a business, which I think is a good idea, then it does need to be accountable, especially in cryptoland... I look forward to whatever is coming next and seeing XC do what I know it can do.

Why are you quoting a message that gives virtually no information about what Rev 2's functionality?

I've said countless times that the full Rev 2 functionality is out, and yet people seem to still not get it.

You need updates to be more regular and clearer? I'm pretty much always on this thread and updates have been continuous. How much more do you want?

As I said last night, personally I'm quite happy with broad timescales for updates, but in this case the dev team has been so overworked that they've not had time to even consider timescales. And as I said a couple of posts ago, I don't see how not giving dates reduces investor confidence in the slightest degree. It might reduce speculator confidence. And what it'll definitely do is allow that whale to keep dumping on our news.

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Quote from: atcsecure on July 07, 2014, 11:00:26 PM

Dear XC Community,

We apologize for missing our deadline, but want to emphasize that the XC team is committed to delivering a world-class product.

The download link for the REV2 beta release, which is fully decentralized, will be posted shortly for testing.

Dan

Synechist - that is what was posted on the REV 2 release date - and this is the reason (IMO) why everyone is confused.. You are saying REV 2 is now out on main net and not beta and it has all the features, etc etc etc...

Im not sure ATC has ever confirmed it? I think the above is the reason why people think it is still in beta, or not released, or whatever else they think... The above does not suggest it was fully finished.

Personally I think the whole REV 2 release has been handled badly... I still hold and I still support but I do think updates need to be more regular and clearer... Not just a token chart to satisfy us.. Its 2 weeks since the above, we have had loads of people join the team, with great CV's and we are just interested to know what is going on....

Also re timescales, I agree 100% you should not be nailing yourselves down too rigidly, but equally you need to give some idea of when things can be expected, even if it is just the month..... If XC is to be run like a business, which I think is a good idea, then it does need to be accountable, especially in cryptoland... I look forward to whatever is coming next and seeing XC do what I know it can do.

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