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Topic: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - page 1037. (Read 4670673 times)

legendary
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so i just wanted to point out that there is the potential for some small amount of information to be leaked by people using very specific mixin values. for example, for 2 transactions which both used a mixin value of 23 might be surmised that its more likely than a random sample that these two transactions were initiated by the same party. standardized mixin denominations offering a range of options might be preferable. 3, 5, 7, 10, 15, 20, 25, 30, 35, ect.... (just as an example) plenty of flexability there. its unlikey that someone who wants more than 20 mixin couldnt be happy with 25 and would feel very strongly that they wanted 22 very specifically. so in this way there would be little cost to the user in inconvenience, but potentially reasonable gain to the privacy of the network for that very small inconvenience cost.

It's a good idea but people are probably going to do that anyway I would think. Who is actually going to use 23 as opposed to 20 or 25.



Because it's their favorite number Cool
hero member
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eidoo wallet
It is probably something we should really look at if someone figures out non linear signatures. if its possible to do mixin 1000 or mixin 10,000 numbers could become very specific. probably some genius would use his favorate number 13284 Tongue

I suppose 1337 would be a popular number as well
legendary
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It is probably something we should really look at if someone figures out non linear signatures. if its possible to do mixin 1000 or mixin 10,000 numbers could become very specific. probably some genius would use his favorate number 13284 every time Tongue
legendary
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so i just wanted to point out that there is the potential for some small amount of information to be leaked by people using very specific mixin values. for example, for 2 transactions which both used a mixin value of 23 might be surmised that its more likely than a random sample that these two transactions were initiated by the same party. standardized mixin denominations offering a range of options might be preferable. 3, 5, 7, 10, 15, 20, 25, 30, 35, ect.... (just as an example) plenty of flexability there. its unlikey that someone who wants more than 20 mixin couldnt be happy with 25 and would feel very strongly that they wanted 22 very specifically. so in this way there would be little cost to the user in inconvenience, but potentially reasonable gain to the privacy of the network for that very small inconvenience cost.

It's a good idea but people are probably going to do that anyway I would think. Who is actually going to use 23 as opposed to 20 or 25.



Probably only a dummy. Grin
legendary
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so i just wanted to point out that there is the potential for some small amount of information to be leaked by people using very specific mixin values. for example, for 2 transactions which both used a mixin value of 23 might be surmised that its more likely than a random sample that these two transactions were initiated by the same party. standardized mixin denominations offering a range of options might be preferable. 3, 5, 7, 10, 15, 20, 25, 30, 35, ect.... (just as an example) plenty of flexability there. its unlikey that someone who wants more than 20 mixin couldnt be happy with 25 and would feel very strongly that they wanted 22 very specifically. so in this way there would be little cost to the user in inconvenience, but potentially reasonable gain to the privacy of the network for that very small inconvenience cost.

So in other words randomize the mixin count? How does a tx's mixin count get traced back to the initial or final tx?

Well its not that. Its just that an outside observer can see how many participants there are in a ring signature, that in its self leaks some amount of information. Albeit a small amount, it could be used in combination with other analytical methods we can imagine, or perhaps ones we cant. Perhaps that small ammount of information would end up being the marginal factor allowing an attacker to deobfuscate parts of the network.

And no im not suggesting random values, though that could work too, im suggesting standardized denominations. i.e. 20 is an option and 25 is an option but 21,22,23,and24 are not options.
legendary
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so i just wanted to point out that there is the potential for some small amount of information to be leaked by people using very specific mixin values. for example, for 2 transactions which both used a mixin value of 23 might be surmised that its more likely than a random sample that these two transactions were initiated by the same party. standardized mixin denominations offering a range of options might be preferable. 3, 5, 7, 10, 15, 20, 25, 30, 35, ect.... (just as an example) plenty of flexability there. its unlikey that someone who wants more than 20 mixin couldnt be happy with 25 and would feel very strongly that they wanted 22 very specifically. so in this way there would be little cost to the user in inconvenience, but potentially reasonable gain to the privacy of the network for that very small inconvenience cost.

It's a good idea but people are probably going to do that anyway I would think. Who is actually going to use 23 as opposed to 20 or 25.

legendary
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so i just wanted to point out that there is the potential for some small amount of information to be leaked by people using very specific mixin values. for example, for 2 transactions which both used a mixin value of 23 might be surmised that its more likely than a random sample that these two transactions were initiated by the same party. standardized mixin denominations offering a range of options might be preferable. 3, 5, 7, 10, 15, 20, 25, 30, 35, ect.... (just as an example) plenty of flexability there. its unlikey that someone who wants more than 20 mixin couldnt be happy with 25 and would feel very strongly that they wanted 22 very specifically. so in this way there would be little cost to the user in inconvenience, but potentially reasonable gain to the privacy of the network for that very small inconvenience cost.

So in other words randomize the mixin count? How does a tx's mixin count get traced back to the initial or final tx?
legendary
Activity: 1722
Merit: 1217
so i just wanted to point out that there is the potential for some small amount of information to be leaked by people using very specific mixin values. for example, for 2 transactions which both used a mixin value of 23 might be surmised that its more likely than a random sample that these two transactions were initiated by the same party. standardized mixin denominations offering a range of options might be preferable. 3, 5, 7, 10, 15, 20, 25, 30, 35, ect.... (just as an example) plenty of flexability there. its unlikey that someone who wants more than 20 mixin couldnt be happy with 25 and would feel very strongly that they wanted 22 very specifically. so in this way there would be little cost to the user in inconvenience, but potentially reasonable gain to the privacy of the network for that very small inconvenience cost.
legendary
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Whimsical Pants
there's always the pay 10 xmr and import your wallet into mymonero option. Just goto mymonero.org and login with your coldwallet mneumonic seed.
Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
This joke made my day. I would not touch any online wallet with a barge pole..

Makes me want to point out a contradiction:
1) You can ballance out your risk of loosing funds by spreading across multiple online places, secure storage by high redundance.
2) The more secure you ballance out your risk of loosing funds by spreading across multiple places, the higher the likelyhood of stomping onto a Mintpal desaster, Ka-BOOM!

more secure ... higher redundance ... higher probability of loosing your funds, period. But smaller losses, too.


Last be assured you can use mymonero.org as a storage for intended dev team tips. Figure out this one on your own.

To be honest...  I would like you to go ahead and say what you mean since what you say looks like a veiled accusation... or am I feeding the troll?
legendary
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Money often costs too much.
there's always the pay 10 xmr and import your wallet into mymonero option. Just goto mymonero.org and login with your coldwallet mneumonic seed.
Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
This joke made my day. I would not touch any online wallet with a barge pole..

Makes me want to point out a contradiction:
1) You can ballance out your risk of loosing funds by spreading across multiple online places, secure storage by high redundance.
2) The more secure you ballance out your risk of loosing funds by spreading across multiple places, the higher the likelyhood of stomping onto a Mintpal desaster, Ka-BOOM!

more secure ... higher redundance ... higher probability of loosing your funds, period. But smaller losses, too.


Last be assured you can use mymonero.org as a storage for intended dev team tips. Figure out this one on your own.
legendary
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Merit: 1001
getmonero.org
Guys and respected devs, can we please stop with the dark talk? Its is nothing but a wastage of time imo. Crapcoins like dark come and go, do bitcoin devs waste time on them? Our community is in a different league. You guys are creating something that will be taught in universities as a milestone in crypto. Lets focus on creating another revolution, bigger than Bitcoin

I also agree. It is a waste of time and we should really discuss of what we can do to make monero better rather than what other coins are doing worse. That one year we had like 10 coins pledging that it was the future anon coin. Many surpassed our marketcap only to get dumped heavily.  Yet except Darkcoin only Monero have survived and looking strong. So how can we make it even stronger?

I propose, that if someone attacks Monero here in this thread, we can reply fully at one of the war threads Smiley But lets keep this one as clean as we can.
sr. member
Activity: 306
Merit: 251
Guys and respected devs, can we please stop with the dark talk? Its is nothing but a wastage of time imo. Crapcoins like dark come and go, do bitcoin devs waste time on them? Our community is in a different league. You guys are creating something that will be taught in universities as a milestone in crypto. Lets focus on creating another revolution, bigger than Bitcoin

^^^^Yes^^^^^

I'm tired of it too and I would remind all on here to not let trolls trigger responses.  The best way to get rid of trolls is to just ignore their post.  Most of us are intelligent enough to know that they are just trying to stir the pot.  I ask that for any troll post that appear on here to just let go of the need to be right or respond.  You already know if your right and no need to fuel the fire of the troll scum that come on here spreading their filth.

 I read this thread to learn what is going on with development not to read arguments with trolls who don't know "jack squat" about this coin.

So lets continue real talk about Monero and to all trolls kindly piss off and go back to living in your van down by the river.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7a9IF78I68
legendary
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Stagnation is Death
Guys and respected devs, can we please stop with the dark talk? Its is nothing but a wastage of time imo. Crapcoins like dark come and go, do bitcoin devs waste time on them? Our community is in a different league. You guys are creating something that will be taught in universities as a milestone in crypto. Lets focus on creating another revolution, bigger than Bitcoin
sr. member
Activity: 306
Merit: 251
Please recommend me which of the two pools is more productive and reliable? Teeter between http://monero.crypto-pool.fr and http://dwarfpool.com
Thanks for your cooperation!


Monerohash.com
legendary
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Free spirit
Good job GingerAle
hero member
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eidoo wallet
its that time again...


time for what?


MoneroWorld Weekly Digest 20150325


crazy digest ranking system proposed. Check it out!


You dont even know how valuable those are if you have really limited time! Cheesy

I envision you creating the first monero news website in the future Wink

Thanks!

Of course!

Unfortunately, these are currently MY OPINION of what is cool in moneroworld that should be reported.

Thus, to mitigate this bias, if anyone ever posts anything and they think it should be included, put somewhere in the post the string "D1G35T". During my analysis of unique forum users I can also search for that string to see if I've missed anything.

Beautiful thanks! I enjoy reading these
legendary
Activity: 1260
Merit: 1008
its that time again...


time for what?


MoneroWorld Weekly Digest 20150325


crazy digest ranking system proposed. Check it out!


You dont even know how valuable those are if you have really limited time! Cheesy

I envision you creating the first monero news website in the future Wink

Thanks!

Of course!

Unfortunately, these are currently MY OPINION of what is cool in moneroworld that should be reported.

Thus, to mitigate this bias, if anyone ever posts anything and they think it should be included, put somewhere in the post the string "D1G35T". During my analysis of unique forum users I can also search for that string to see if I've missed anything.
legendary
Activity: 1428
Merit: 1001
getmonero.org
its that time again...


time for what?


MoneroWorld Weekly Digest 20150325


crazy digest ranking system proposed. Check it out!


You dont even know how valuable those are if you have really limited time! Cheesy

I envision you creating the first monero news website in the future Wink

Thanks!
legendary
Activity: 1008
Merit: 1001
Hy there  Grin

... could you please stop pointing fingers towards other cryptos in this thread. I am reading approx the last ten pages only DASH, DARK, XMR, Troll, shit here, shit there, shit everywhere....

That´s not fun to read. I know, there are people in the world which we could live with out also, but please try to get your focus back to the origin of this thread, and leave that argueing, if you want to -> to another thread.

Keep it up and going guys  Cheesy
Kind regards,
elrippo
sr. member
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Please recommend me which of the two pools is more productive and reliable? Teeter between http://monero.crypto-pool.fr and http://dwarfpool.com
Thanks for your cooperation!

That kind of thing will get better answers on the mining thread

Thanks a lot!
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