Topic: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - page 1062. (Read 4671660 times)

So, there's Jojatekok's Monero Gui .NET, in which I actually uncovered some odd transaction bugs that he hasn't been able to solve. If he ony had a little bit more direct support from the Monero devs on this, this could be solved. He has since redirected his time to a cross platform GUI, which he is building from scratch, which is great and all, but the original version is *almost there*.  

Also, for the time being, the daemon setting in it could be *defaulted* to remotely connect to node.moneroclub.com, avoiding the blockchain RAM bloat issues, and be distributed *as a lightweight wallet*, until the database issues are completely solved in the main project.

SWIFTing money to one exchange to buy one crypto then transferring it to another exchange to buy another? That doesn't sound like an easy and dedicated solution to me. Mom certainly couldn't do it.

I'm talking about a single page app with a big empty field that says:

I want to buy _____ XMR

and a huge button that says:

---> PAY NOW <---

Now that's simple. It's the holy grail. If we could do that, then we could dominate every other cryptocurrency in existence. We can't do it, of course, but we need to start getting creative so we can deliver something close.

Even if Mom can use it, she won't, because she can't actually get any XMR.

Sorry I'm kicking a dead horse here. I'm not saying promotion/advertising is useless, but without accessibility it seems like we're all just circle-jerking each other.

We need some brilliant ideas... how can we make it absurdly easy for a normal, non-regular person to acquire XMR? Can we give XMR away with the purchase of something else?

What useful service can we offer Mom or Grandma that would improve their lives with XMR?

I think it's time we start thinking bigger.

Evan Duffield was on the LTB podcast the other day. We need to get the XMR devs on there, end of story.

It's not useless if people here start to use it to buy XMR directly.

In Europe, you can already send money to Bitfinex using SWIFT, and then transfer whatever the equivalent is in dollars as TetherUSD to Poloniex, correct? Poloniex has low volume on the XMR-TetherUSD pair at the moment, but this should definitely be further popularized here if it's possible. I can't go this route, as I can't send money from my US bank to Bitfinex using SWIFT, but there should be a good number of international people who can.

Monero Mountain, future home of the People's Crypto-Republic of Tacotopia!



But Monero Canyon's temporary autonomous zone will have better parties... 

The Missives in podcast format is just such a brilliant and helpful thing. Incredibly well done guys (and much appreciated.)
I think having them transcribed would allow valuable information to appear via Search Engines.

Would you consider other "podcasts" to maybe give an intro and inside look at Monero and what it means, does, basic tech, etc.?
I really enjoyed that long podcast you did on Monero (Think you were guests on a podcast, forget now.)

I think once word gets out in audio format that really crosses many barriers and potentially hits new audiences.

Podcast ad? That I would chip in and pay for on one of the LTBTC affiliates (if others thought it was a good idea).
Is it ok to just say "Learn about the most advanced anonymous coin out there. Check us out
at www.... or look at our forum at www...." Whatever slogan/ad you want. Just something real short and basic, can let people learn more in a concise way, not
having to search forums per say. Just like the perfect app for the common man, we need a way to communicate in the same way.

Just an idea.

I actually really like using this GUI Monero wallet.  Sure it's not released by the official DEV team but so what?  To the people who are afraid of their funds being stolen by its creator (some imaginary backdoor or exploit) I will say that if it was to happen it would have happened by now.  I and many others have been using it for an extended period of time with no problems and certainly no Moneroj missing.  Some of the people using it have high balances of Moneroj, certainly worth pushing the button so to speak if there was such a possibility.  Its Safe, Simple and Super Easy to use!!

Not everyone in the crypto community is a scammer.  And to that I'll add that from my almost 1 year experience with the people behind and involved with Monero they seem to be some of the most honest, hardworking and objective people in the cryptocurrency world.

I admire this view and the core team shouldn't just release some half-baked thing. I think Jojatekok or even Jwinterm's version are sufficient to use to marketeer once the DB is integrated in it. You can find screens of jojatekok's wallet here -> https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/xmr-monerox-a-cross-platform-graphical-account-manager-for-monero-683365. As you can see, that shouldn't be to hard to use for the average Joe.

I hope it's been demonstrated with MyMonero that we know a thing or two about UX and simplicity, and that will translate to the GUI.

That said, it's simply not acceptable for us (to echo your words) to put lipstick on a pig and ship a GUI that is pleasant enough, but takes 4 days to sync from scratch, requires 6+gb of RAM, sucks a ton of bandwidth, and is accepted nearly nowhere.

We will deliver a proverbial work of art, but it requires building out parts of the foundation that we had previously viewed as less of a priority (until the 202612 attack). Oh, and we're doing it on like no money, so there's that.

Who owns the missive transcription project?  Translation is the next step, so to minimize delays ideally (some of) the same people would handle both stages.

okay, how does Transifex happen to monero? Who needs to do what?

Saying that a well-designed, intuitive, easily-used Graphical User Interface doesn't matter is simply ridiculous. I realize that fluffypony had a specific issue that he was making a point about when he wrote what he did regarding adoption, business integration, and the GUI.

However, a well-designed, intuitive, and easily-used Graphical User Interface are crucial for the success of virtually any piece of software or hardware in today's day and age.
Why is Apple so successful? I would argue that their GUI's, combined with the hardware to properly utilize the potential of their GUI's, is the entire basis of their success. Sure, marketing and reputation have been vital, but without good-looking GUI's their marketing department would be trying to put lipstick on a pig.

Why is Windows more popular than Linux? Linux is free, Windows costs money. Shouldn't people run the free OS more often? Windows is easily used. Linux has come a long way, but it inevitably requires substantially more effort for the average person.

If the Monero GUI can make the slope of the learning curve so easy to climb that Your Mom Can Use It, it will be vital in propelling the success of XMR that all of us are so eager to witness.

Thanks for this. I will look at it and let you know if I can help in some way.

Cheers!

Not sure why you equate preparation/planning with worrying? I'm more in a creative helpful mode. If you equate inaction with contentedness, I would say it depends on many factors. Likewise, suggestions and worry are not really connected in general. Perhaps some caring, sure.

My basic perspective is that we probably would benefit from a well rounded approach to getting Monero out there. I don't see strong disagreement to that idea.
Now, you can argue that one approach is accumulation, and those early adopters then reinvest - That is fine, was mentioned before and I don't disagree for sure.
You can argue to let it come in time, that is fine as long as it works, but that is an unknown. Sitting idly in a fast moving market is probably not the best strategy.
I don't want to pay per say for spots on podcasts and such, but it would be interesting to see the point spoken about. If we have podcasts talking about anonymous Cryptos, we should be in the discussion for many obvious reasons. Anyway, I think we should be open here and not decide to hastily. We are talking about the future of Cryptos to a point.

I'm not really familiar with Zero cash, but it certainly sounds interesting. If a few BTC whales get behind anything though, look out. This small market can be easily moved.

Has the Cryptonote whitepaper been translated?  If it has, that saves us some trouble with the highest-priority basics.  Of course it still needs to get into all 32 languages supported by transifex. 

Second highest priority would be guides for using the node/client and other wallets.  Third is the roadmap.  Fourth are the missives and digests.

Good news everyone!  Transifex is free for open source projects!


 

I've been pondering to translate getmonero to German and Italian for a while now. My Problem, apart from the steep workload, is that the content is far from being complete. Editing it later will be a bitch and is a lot less effective.
 I could also do with some help assigning levels of importance to the content to start with the most important stuff and slowly dig into the more remote, less urgent content. The obvious parts I can figure out myself but some hints/wishes would be appreciated.

Should anyone want to donate even better haha but that's not the point. I just think that when Monero is ready for a wider audience the audience should be as large as possible.

Agreed.  Subsidizing transcription/translation of missives and other content (with crowdsourced XMR that might otherwise to the dev fund) is the only marketing expense that makes sense to me.  Because translation helps grow our audience/community, it should at least pay for itself in donations from outside the Anglosphere.

Development is the absolutely critical funding need.  If the devs can build out a solid enterprise-ready platform, the services which build on it (xmr.to, tippero, free/open-market) will handle advertising.

First build the better mousetrap, then let the world do the rest.   

I always ask "Compared to what?" Donating some money to advertising and getting articles featured is good, but it's a one-time thing. Most people don't go back and read 8 month old Coindesk articles or listen to 8 month old podcasts. That advertising will either reach people while it's new or not. After it has its run, it's pretty much useless.

I think that XMR is so small right now that we're better off investing in something that keeps giving back. Development is one such thing. If XMR gets and upgrade today, we can keep enjoying that upgrade over and over. And also if you buy XMR today, you take that XMR out of supply, you can keep it out of supply for a long time, or add to XMR's liquidity by putting it for sale on the orderbooks for whatever price. And if you build an XMR service today like xmr.to, we can keep using that service for a long time.  

So in my mind, marketing is pretty wasteful compared to other ways of supporting XMR. Mass-medium advertising (e.g. paying to be featured on podcasts, publications) is for the cash-rich, which we're not. If it's free, then that's fine.