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Quote from: fluffypony on March 20, 2015, 05:13:54 AM

Quote from: smooth on March 20, 2015, 04:37:40 AM

My smartphone has 128 GB. I guess cheaper ones have less, but in a year or two it seems this might be fairly common. The current blockchain is 5 GB stored inefficiently (pretty much everything is duplicated; over time we can improve that, although I'm not sure how how high it ranks as a priority).

I've seen smartphone games that are similar in size to the Monero blockchain, and people install those.

I'm not sure that running full node on a smartphone is what people will necessarily want to do, as other options exist with some partial privacy compromises, but if you really want to do it, the size of the blockchain doesn't get in the way really.

https://i.imgur.com/IaAEBYr.png?1

Case in point:)

The problem with deduplication is we sacrifice performance, which is critical on a smartphone...so the compromise will probably always tend towards less storage efficiency for the sake of performance. I'd be VERY interested to see how the lmdb-vl32 version performs on an ARM phone.

http://bgr.com/2015/03/19/samsung-galaxy-128gb-storage/

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Quote from: GreekBitcoin on March 20, 2015, 09:39:21 AM

Quote from: mrkavasaki on March 20, 2015, 08:52:18 AM

if zerocash comming out soon, than i think drk and xmr will be pointless

So since fusion is coming soon^tm it is pointless to focus on oil/gas/hydro/solar/wind tech. Right?

And as far as i understand there is a trust issue with zerocash.

Cunningham's law again, beautiful

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Quote from: mrkavasaki on March 20, 2015, 08:52:18 AM

if zerocash comming out soon, than i think drk and xmr will be pointless

So since fusion is coming soon^tm it is pointless to focus on oil/gas/hydro/solar/wind tech. Right?

And as far as i understand there is a trust issue with zerocash.

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Quote from: mrkavasaki on March 20, 2015, 08:52:18 AM

if zerocash comming out soon, than i think drk and xmr will be pointless

I've given this huge thought. I believe almost the opposite. Monero offers both transparency and anonymity. That is especially crucial for a decentralized currency, so that if it ever gets popular and widely used, there can still be optional ways for you to be transparent if you wish.

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Quote from: Anon136 on March 19, 2015, 10:38:19 AM

ripple (though im not sure its really a crypto currency, you have to decide yourself

They are not.

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There are also a small number of digital currencies, the most prominent of which is Ripple, that seek consensus through non-cryptographic means

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if GUI comming out soon, than i think drk will be pointless

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Quote from: Joshuar on March 20, 2015, 08:40:09 AM

Oh I believed that you wouldn't have to download the blockchain on a monero app/webaccount, like blockchain.info?

Yes of course. I've mentioned alternatives to the whole blockchain a few times.

I guess this discussion about the blockchain size got started over the question of whether having a full blockchain on a smartphone was feasible at all. Obviously it's problematic but since there are games that are roughly the same size, it seems it isn't totally non-feasible.

But none of that is meant to suggest there wouldn't be lighter weight approaches too.

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Quote from: cAPSLOCK on March 20, 2015, 08:37:05 AM

Quote from: smooth on March 20, 2015, 08:24:52 AM

Quote from: cAPSLOCK on March 20, 2015, 08:21:58 AM

Quote from: Joshuar on March 20, 2015, 08:02:38 AM

The purpose of "e cash"/Monero is to give you anonymity/privacy on online transactions. Like cash, but without the centralization. If a account app was there for Monero on the appstore, you could use it to buy w/e and retain financial privacy. Blockchain size is irrelevant concerning such things.

Well.. It's technically relevant.

Lets say we scale to 100x our current transaction traffic (And we better hope we do). How long will it take to fill up a 32G SD card with the blockchain.

This reality will dictate the solutions to these problems... it's relevant, But not insurmountable IMHO.

All true, but 32 GB sd cards are pretty low end at this point. There are 512 GB sd cards already (expensive, for now).

Obviously there are other solutions too, besides just storing the whole blockchain, as you say.

And I think it's important that we cater to the lowest common denominator. And that may be indeed much higher than a 32G SD card, but even though we are technophiles (mostly) here now, we want to shoot for the broadest acceptance possible. Bitcoin is still a mystery to too many. And just disseminating why Monero is worthy is a challenge of it's own.

I have been more interested in DRK since the recent drama... and I did a renewed level of DD over it.

The fact there are SO MANY people who are willing to buy into a platform with SEVERE problems worries me. Because if people can't understand why DRK is bad, then how will they understand why Monero is good?

Just musing a little...

It doesnt matter much. Because those who really need to have privacy will use the one that gives them privacy. They wont even dare to use the one that have obvious problems.

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Quote from: Joshuar on March 20, 2015, 08:40:09 AM

Oh I believed that you wouldn't have to download the blockchain on a monero app/webaccount, like blockchain.info?

I think this is a good idea. It is the way crypto as a whole will go. Not only Monero.

It's the one reason I use Electrum over Armory.

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Oh I believed that you wouldn't have to download the blockchain on a monero app/webaccount, like blockchain.info?

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Quote from: smooth on March 20, 2015, 08:24:52 AM

Quote from: cAPSLOCK on March 20, 2015, 08:21:58 AM

Quote from: Joshuar on March 20, 2015, 08:02:38 AM

The purpose of "e cash"/Monero is to give you anonymity/privacy on online transactions. Like cash, but without the centralization. If a account app was there for Monero on the appstore, you could use it to buy w/e and retain financial privacy. Blockchain size is irrelevant concerning such things.

Well.. It's technically relevant.

Lets say we scale to 100x our current transaction traffic (And we better hope we do). How long will it take to fill up a 32G SD card with the blockchain.

This reality will dictate the solutions to these problems... it's relevant, But not insurmountable IMHO.

All true, but 32 GB sd cards are pretty low end at this point. There are 512 GB sd cards already (expensive, for now).

Obviously there are other solutions too, besides just storing the whole blockchain, as you say.

And I think it's important that we cater to the lowest common denominator. And that may be indeed much higher than a 32G SD card, but even though we are technophiles (mostly) here now, we want to shoot for the broadest acceptance possible. Bitcoin is still a mystery to too many. And just disseminating why Monero is worthy is a challenge of it's own.

I have been more interested in DRK since the recent drama... and I did a renewed level of DD over it.

The fact there are SO MANY people who are willing to buy into a platform with SEVERE problems worries me. Because if people can't understand why DRK is bad, then how will they understand why Monero is good?

Just musing a little...

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Quote from: cAPSLOCK on March 20, 2015, 08:21:58 AM

Quote from: Joshuar on March 20, 2015, 08:02:38 AM

The purpose of "e cash"/Monero is to give you anonymity/privacy on online transactions. Like cash, but without the centralization. If a account app was there for Monero on the appstore, you could use it to buy w/e and retain financial privacy. Blockchain size is irrelevant concerning such things.

Well.. It's technically relevant.

Lets say we scale to 100x our current transaction traffic (And we better hope we do). How long will it take to fill up a 32G SD card with the blockchain.

This reality will dictate the solutions to these problems... it's relevant, But not insurmountable IMHO.

All true, but 32 GB sd cards are pretty low end at this point. There are 512 GB sd cards already (expensive, for now).

Obviously there are other solutions too, besides just storing the whole blockchain, as you say.

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Quote from: Joshuar on March 20, 2015, 08:02:38 AM

The purpose of "e cash"/Monero is to give you anonymity/privacy on online transactions. Like cash, but without the centralization. If a account app was there for Monero on the appstore, you could use it to buy w/e and retain financial privacy. Blockchain size is irrelevant concerning such things.

Well.. It's technically relevant.

Lets say we scale to 100x our current transaction traffic (And we better hope we do). How long will it take to fill up a 32G SD card with the blockchain.

This reality will dictate the solutions to these problems... it's relevant, But not insurmountable IMHO.

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The purpose of "e cash"/Monero is to give you anonymity/privacy on online transactions. Like cash, but without the centralization. If a account app was there for Monero on the appstore, you could use it to buy w/e and retain financial privacy. Blockchain size is irrelevant concerning such things.

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Quote from: iCEBREAKER on March 20, 2015, 05:46:15 AM

Quote from: smooth on March 20, 2015, 05:42:44 AM

Quote from: iCEBREAKER on March 20, 2015, 05:36:02 AM

...I'd be happy with XCN's mini-blockchain running on my phone. Monero is for hloding, not spending on candy and popcorn.

Yes but with a smartphone wallet you can receive more Monero everywhere you go!

Right, but if I'm there *in person* so much for anonymity. Cheesy

Besides, a QR.png of my address works for receiving.

With just that you can't tell if it was actually sent.

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Or why not just point the browser at MyMonero?

Works for me

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I'm not sure that running full node on a smartphone is what people will necessarily want to do, as other options exist with some partial privacy compromises

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Quote from: smooth on March 20, 2015, 05:42:44 AM

Quote from: iCEBREAKER on March 20, 2015, 05:36:02 AM

...I'd be happy with XCN's mini-blockchain running on my phone. Monero is for hloding, not spending on candy and popcorn.

Yes but with a smartphone wallet you can receive more Monero everywhere you go!

Right, but if I'm there *in person* so much for anonymity. Cheesy

Besides, a QR.png of my address works for receiving.

Or why not just point the browser at MyMonero?

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Quote from: iCEBREAKER on March 20, 2015, 05:36:02 AM

...I'd be happy with XCN's mini-blockchain running on my phone. Monero is for hloding, not spending on candy and popcorn.

Yes but with a smartphone wallet you can receive more Monero everywhere you go!

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Quote from: fluffypony on March 20, 2015, 05:13:54 AM

I'd be VERY interested to see how the lmdb-vl32 version performs on an ARM phone.

...I'd be happy with XCN's mini-blockchain running on my phone. Monero is for hloding, not spending on candy and popcorn.

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Quote from: smooth on March 20, 2015, 04:37:40 AM

My smartphone has 128 GB. I guess cheaper ones have less, but in a year or two it seems this might be fairly common. The current blockchain is 5 GB stored inefficiently (pretty much everything is duplicated; over time we can improve that, although I'm not sure how how high it ranks as a priority).

I've seen smartphone games that are similar in size to the Monero blockchain, and people install those.

I'm not sure that running full node on a smartphone is what people will necessarily want to do, as other options exist with some partial privacy compromises, but if you really want to do it, the size of the blockchain doesn't get in the way really.

Case in point:)

The problem with deduplication is we sacrifice performance, which is critical on a smartphone...so the compromise will probably always tend towards less storage efficiency for the sake of performance. I'd be VERY interested to see how the lmdb-vl32 version performs on an ARM phone.

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Quote from: Its About Sharing on March 20, 2015, 04:26:23 AM

I do hope Monero can find a way to make the size of the blockchain manageable though perhaps that remains reasonable due to the ever increasing size of disk space
(but it will get in the way of a smartphone wallet, unless they get creative, which I think will happen in time (tough point)).

My smartphone has 128 GB. I guess cheaper ones have less, but in a year or two it seems this might be fairly common. The current blockchain is 5 GB stored inefficiently (pretty much everything is duplicated; over time we can improve that, although I'm not sure how how high it ranks as a priority).

I've seen smartphone games that are similar in size to the Monero blockchain, and people install those.

I'm not sure that running full node on a smartphone is what people will necessarily want to do, as other options exist with some partial privacy compromises, but if you really want to do it, the size of the blockchain doesn't get in the way really.

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