Topic: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - page 1412. (Read 4671947 times)

I have been mildly critical of the XMR developers in the past for their slow progress on fronts such as db, GUI, etc... But having read all of the exploit FUD thread and this thread, and reviewed the potential issues with some very talented math folks I know, I want to say that I am really positively impressed with the dev team. You guys have really handled the various attackers and FUDders with calm and reasonable approach, have done a lot of extra diligence, and prepared for how you would handle a vulnerability should one be discovered. Really appreciate all you have done and my respect for the team and their work has really increased a lot in the past few days. I think this is going to make the XMR community even stronger and the coin even more solid going forward.

I have only one suggestion for things you can do better during this crisis and that is to not repsond to obvious trolls/idiots like BobSurplus. You just give them a forum to spout their nonsense and they ignore any evidence or proof you offer anyway, so there is nothing to gain. Just let them spout off and you continue to advise the community on your progress and evaluations as they come up. Keep up the good work, we definitely appreciate it.

Talking about FUD and potential attacks here isn't going to do much good. I think iCEBREAKER is right about needing to get back to a somewhat normal state of affairs.

It's a general comment which would apply to any substantive changes to the basic scheme of the coin.  Bad timing to even have to discuss this now, but there it is.  Game it out.  What do you expect?

Is your response was directed to infofront only?  

Just like the unmitigated innovation, developer competency, community and potential of Cloakcoin. Because you got behind that one. Right? Talk about picking a winner!

Anyway I have better things to be doing with my time than sitting here going round in circles with egotistical asshats like yourself!

In two days time I fully expect you to be proven wrong with your Monero doomsday fantasies. Call it five, so the developers have some time to remedy the situation in the unlikely event that some sort of attack actually does go ahead. If after five days, Monero is but a smouldering wreck of a cryptocurrency, I will apologise to you unreservedly and eat a hefty slice of humble pie. But for the time being I have lost interest in continuing discourse with someone whose motivations are as transparent as yours. Until then, adieu.

Bob, if I ask really nicely, will you cease posting here? [I can try, can't I?]

You shared your opinion, and unlike other threads, your anti-XMR posts don't get deleted 'round here.

Maybe I/we can sincerely wish you the best, as you depart this thread, having expressed your feelings and thoughts several times.

XMR    haters

Time spent posting here means less time doing what you do for your coins and people. Return to them, full of pride, and celebrate yourselves.

You guys deserve it!

Saving this one for when you have a new latest pump of the day.

LMAO... I love getting under you BCT bagholders skins... Dont you get it.. I'm here to save potential investors a lot of money by voicing my opinion on this dying coin you call Monero. Anyone jumping onto this shinking ship deserves what's coming to them. It's that simple.

Stealthcoin is a winner and not my latest pump of the day. I get behind coins with innovation, great devs, community and potential. You're sitting here talking like xmr is a winner.. Its not though....
Suck it up.. You #PickedWrong and that sucks, but it's not too late for you to move on and make some real profits.

I expect a fork to result.

Actually, you were there all the way through claiming how CLOAK was so technologically superior, and how did that end? I hope you have different "tech guy" this time.



His Keycoin review didn't say anything you couldn't have said just by simply looking at the very abstract picture they had published.
Also the Stealthcoin "review" I found is just him trying out the sms text send and saying "it works" lol.

But what can you expect if you try to "review" something like that in a day or w/e he used for it when for example it took Kristov Atlas many weeks of hard work to review Darkcoin.

You. You are my problem. You and your unrelenting attack on Monero and Monero developers/supporters. You and your shilling for your latest pump-of-the-day (stealthcoin in this case). Your very presence in this thread is my problem.

I could ask you the same thing. What's your problem with Monero? You obviously don't own any and you've made it clear that you (or rather your "tech advisor" that we all supposedly look up to) think everyone is going to lose everything in 2 days time, so I don't see what purpose your continued posting here serves.

I'm not opposed to a plan like that, but I believe the emission rate should be slowed if we do that, both to combat inflation and keep the mining end date roughly the same, if not extended out even further.

I'll share some of my personal thoughts. The core team has not really addressed this as a group.

DB seems a bit high if it doesn't include work already done (although some of that has been paid for out-of-pocket by the core team and should ultimately be repaid out of the dev budget).
p2pool seems low especially given ongoing development. (This is not a modification of the existing p2pool, which is largely unmaintainable, but a new solution based on some of the same concepts.)
$5K "network defense fund" might well be small if the attackers are better funded than that or multiple attacks occur, both of which are entirely plausible.
Other needs will undoubtedly appear, beyond a low level of ongoing maintenance that can be paid out of 1% of block rewards, at least at current prices.

In genreal I would suggest that if we are going to do this, that we just go ahead and make the "post-sale" bigger, provide for a larger fund that can be used on a more ongoing basis to hire expert developers and generally ensure that the project is adequately funded going forward. As a benchmark, how much funding did VIA raise? Funds that turn out not to be needed can be returned to the community in some manner tbd.

MEW is also working on a funding model based on memership fees and dev donations, so that should be factored into it. MEW is being launched Tuesday, according to the recent post, so more information should be available then.

Of course with more funds in an account intended for longer-term use there is more responsibility to ensure it isn't wasted or stolen so issues like oversight (as we previously discussed a bit) come to the fore.

Thanks for keeping going with this, and especially not being too distracted by attempts to distract us.

Have you even read that thread?

Dont you see.... my members make money... we leave coins better off and everyone is happy. What's your problem??

LOL, on the eve before the eve of your destruction you're looking to raise 300K from the community that you and your dev team clearly said are not investors...

You cant have it both ways kiddo!!

This song reminds me of whats coming up for you guys...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntLsElbW9Xo

Fixed that for you.

For some background info on just how upstanding a character Bobsurplus is, I'd recommend this thread: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/monthly-membership-scam-beware-of-scammer-bobsurplus-730880

BTW how long were you banned for again?

Before we all started chasing BCX and TFM's shiny new objects, discussion was underway about reaching funding goals.

Since we have some time to kill before the moment of truth, let's get back to that.

A 1% devtax on mined blocks (excluding tx fees) would provide devs with motivation for putting in continuing/extra effort.

In addition to previously listed items, we should consider keeping funds in reserve to pay for bug bounties and network defense (IE VPS rentals to host known good nodes while under attack).

I proposed a "retroactive pre-mine" in the form of a Bootstrap Block containing 1% of all XMR, which is 184,000 coins.

The 184k XMR/$300k it provides seems sufficient to fund the following to at least alpha testing:

$100k - refactor codebase
$50k - security audits
$50k - integrate DB
$25k - complete I2P
$25k - Official Wallet
$15k - bug bounties
$15k - p2pool
$15k - trustless web wallet
$5k - network defense fund

Are these numbers too high, low, or just about right?

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I don't know where it was a week ago, but it was talked about in this very thread ~19 days ago. Including bonus comments from the original author of that article, when someone first tried to use it to say the Monero dev's were scammers (hint - they're not):