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Topic: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - page 1505. (Read 4670622 times)

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It's more likely VB just skimmed DGA's post and didn't realize that it was Bytecoin that came out with the crippled miner. The soap opera involving Bytecoin, CryptoNote, Bitmonero, Monero, Quazarcoin, Boolberry, etc. . . is so tangled. And on top of that, there is the FUD spread by the Bytecoin scammers and sockpuppets.  It's not surprising that outsiders have a hard time appreciating why Monero deserves to be taken seriously.

I would be willing to chip in for an article about the history of Monero - just the facts. I would be willing to chip in recurrently if the article were to be maintained up-to-date.
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My little sister could have read dga's post and not get as confused as the supposed genius Vitalik...
Your little sister, does she have an upcoming IPO perchance?  Any shares available?
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Definately worth reading DGA´s reply, kudos for that dga.



+1. An excellent response and exactly the right sort of tone.

anyone got a link to the post?

It's a comment thread on dga's blog post.

They went back and forth a few times and VB backpedaled, severely, although still seems intent on leaving anti-XMR wiggle words in there:

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If the current Monero developers were not involved in that, then awesome, they are completely cool and legit folks in my view





My little sister could have read dga's post and not get as confused as the supposed genius Vitalik, this is a very disappointing move from him and I bet he was hoping no one would challenge him.

I'm sure he has been hoping all along that Ethereum would walk cosily into the number two spot unchallenged and now a number two competitor is growing strong, well the final desperate attack is FUD and lies.

It's more likely VB just skimmed DGA's post and didn't realize that it was Bytecoin that came out with the crippled miner. The soap opera involving Bytecoin, CryptoNote, Bitmonero, Monero, Quazarcoin, Boolberry, etc. . . is so tangled. And on top of that, there is the FUD spread by the Bytecoin scammers and sockpuppets.  It's not surprising that outsiders have a hard time appreciating why Monero deserves to be taken seriously.
legendary
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Definately worth reading DGA´s reply, kudos for that dga.



+1. An excellent response and exactly the right sort of tone.

anyone got a link to the post?

It's a comment thread on dga's blog post.

They went back and forth a few times and VB backpedaled, severely, although still seems intent on leaving anti-XMR wiggle words in there:

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If the current Monero developers were not involved in that, then awesome, they are completely cool and legit folks in my view





My little sister could have read dga's post and not get as confused as the supposed genius Vitalik, this is a very disappointing move from him and I bet he was hoping no one would challenge him.

I'm sure he has been hoping all along that Ethereum would walk cosily into the number two spot unchallenged and now a number two competitor is growing strong, well the final desperate attack is FUD and lies.
legendary
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This is my first post here, but I am not a "troll".  I am a significant holder, accumulating over the last months, and you can tell by my twitter @indiemaps that I have supported Monero in the past.  But I can't see how anybody can trust the socialist devs of this project after the revelations of the past few days.  I will not dump b/c I believe there is more BTC to be made off this flavor of the season coin.  But I have certainly lost my trust and faith in the coin and team.

The developers claim to want to separate the monetary system from the government, yet David Latapie also believes in socialist education, redistributionist schemes, and forced/violent taxation.  How this is compatible with an anonymous cryptocurrency is beyond me.

I and I hope all the other anarchists who have supported this coin in the past need to move on....to a coin with nonviolent developers who do not wish to force their views of society on us.

Dear me, you seem to have forgotten to think before posting.

They are forgetting that the coin is bound by mathematical reason rather than the reason of the developers.

Unless they actively worked to make Monero unanonymous (and useless) I can't see what all this fuss is about, for sure, indiemaps is a troll.
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This is my first post here, but I am not a "troll".  I am a significant holder, accumulating over the last months, and you can tell by my twitter @indiemaps that I have supported Monero in the past.  But I can't see how anybody can trust the socialist devs of this project after the revelations of the past few days.  I will not dump b/c I believe there is more BTC to be made off this flavor of the season coin.  But I have certainly lost my trust and faith in the coin and team.

The developers claim to want to separate the monetary system from the government, yet David Latapie also believes in socialist education, redistributionist schemes, and forced/violent taxation.  How this is compatible with an anonymous cryptocurrency is beyond me.

I and I hope all the other anarchists who have supported this coin in the past need to move on....to a coin with nonviolent developers who do not wish to force their views of society on us.

Dear me, you seem to have forgotten to think before posting.
legendary
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Definately worth reading DGA´s reply, kudos for that dga.



+1. An excellent response and exactly the right sort of tone.

anyone got a link to the post?

It's a comment thread on dga's blog post.

They went back and forth a few times and VB backpedaled, severely, although still seems intent on leaving anti-XMR wiggle words in there:

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If the current Monero developers were not involved in that, then awesome, they are completely cool and legit folks in my view



sr. member
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Definately worth reading DGA´s reply, kudos for that dga.



+1. An excellent response and exactly the right sort of tone.

anyone got a link to the post?
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wallet upgrade in progress at Bittrex ?
Ohh no ... not now  Angry
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wallet upgrade in progress at Bittrex ?
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Some good news, cointelegraph just published a well done article about rpietila generous endeavors and they have mentioned Monero: Grin

http://cointelegraph.com/news/112411/finnish-investor-plans-to-turn-estonian-castle-into-a-bitcoin-center

Nice article, thx for posting it.
I didn't know Risto was going to have some of Monero moving into the BTC Castle (so to speak).  Grin
Congrats and thanks for the support Risto.

Its about sharing
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Definately worth reading DGA´s reply, kudos for that dga.



+1. An excellent response and exactly the right sort of tone.

To the trolls:

legendary
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Definately worth reading DGA´s reply, kudos for that dga.



+1. An excellent response and exactly the right sort of tone.
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Definately worth reading DGA´s reply, kudos for that dga.

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Meh, so now Vitalik feels threatened by Monero? I think we're winning guys!

I think you are right. From later in the comment thread (dga responding to VB):

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VB:

IMO, correct mining algorithm ethics require you to disclose all information that you know about how to optimize a given algo implementation. But a looser standard is that you should not intentionally cripple an implementation that you release to the public.

From the evidence provided in the article, it seems as though Monero failed both tests, so it perhaps is indeed a premine scam. However, that is a grave accusation, and one that deserves giving the Monero devs a fair chance to respond.

dga:

This would be a very reasonable thing to assert if I had anything to do with Monero.  I don't.  In fact, to the best of my knowledge, none of the people who profited from early optimized Monero mining had anything to do with crippling the code in the first place.

Think of it this way:  You step in and inherit a legacy codebase for a promising and interesting new cryptocurrency.  You're immediately beset with demands -- fix bugs, release binaries, answer help questions, etc.  In retrospect, it turns out that the code you took over had been de-optimized by its original creators.  Is that your fault?  Of course not.  What's the standard that we should hold the Monero developers to?  To fix any bugs or deliberate weaknesses as fast as they can after they become aware of it.  To get up to speed and review and understand the codebase they inherited as quickly as a reasonable developer can do.

You're picking your words very carefully, so I suspect you know exactly what game you're playing trying to hint that Monero is a scam while being able to defensively say "well, I only said perhaps", but it's very transparent.  And, personally, I find it mildly offensive that you're twisting what I wrote in the article and ignoring some of the substantive points.

I find it hard to understand how someone who just raised 30K BTC in an IPO can feel threatened by Monero enough to want to spread deceptive FUD about it, but that is the most reasonable interpretation.

I guess it is also possible he didn't actually read the post before making a deliberately provocative but ultimately stupid comment about it, and is now being defensive about his idiocy being called out.
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GetMonero.org / MyMonero.com
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GetMonero.org / MyMonero.com
-moronic trolling-

Anotheranonlol, that is a very poor attempt at trolling. We all know what dga was saying about the post, because he clarified it here and it was clear in that very post -

Reading comprehension is hard for sockpuppets.  Something in the sock material seems to cloud their eyes.

To others reading the thread, while I'd of course encourage you to actually read what I wrote.

tl;dr:  Bytecoin was a scam, they crippled the miner, Monero inherited it when Monero was still "bitmonero", and it took a while before the Monero devs got the code fast by undoing the crap that Bytecoin had added.  During that time, I made some money.  After that time, I didn't.  That time has been over for a long time.

To their credit, the Monero devs have always been up-front that there's a lot of work to be done with respect to auditing, both in cryptography and design, and in implementation, and they've made credible progress at doing so.  One hopes that any baggage from the cryptonote/bytecoin fork has been priced in and is well understood by the community, given that the coin's been around for months and the developers have been very up front about these things and their plans for addressing those risks.

Please try troll harder, you're an embarrassment to the troll fraternity.
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I think people should read up what a premine is before they talk about it.
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