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Topic: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - page 1508. (Read 4670972 times)

legendary
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Given his views, I don't trust a coin with the state socialist David Latapie as developer or promoter.  This may seem extreme, but again, I don't have to hold your coin.  But I shall for a while as I figure out what to do here...

That is a fair point of view. You are entitled your own beliefs on the matter.

legendary
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XMR crashed -13%.   Wink

XMR is and BBR are currently in a massive uptrend from 17 Aug.


Fixed it for you.  Not sure why you accidentally forgot to mention BBR.  I'm sure it wasn't on purpose!   Wink

Maybe because BBR was in a downtrend for most of that period?

Maybe because this is the XMR thread not the BBR thread?

I'm not sure which.

legendary
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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.
XMR crashed -13%.   Wink

XMR is and BBR are currently in a massive uptrend from 17 Aug.


Fixed it for you.  Not sure why you accidentally forgot to mention BBR.  I'm sure it wasn't on purpose!   Wink
newbie
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I'm curious about indiemaps's anti-socialism prerequisities. If there's one socialist, does he automatically reject the open source project? Or does one free market-proponent and one socialist cancel out? Is there a weighting function? So many questions.

Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy ROFL

Weighting function.  But seriously folks...

As posted above, I was told on twitter by @monerocurrency that "most people in our team have a similar opinion", and I assumed this included the "liking socialism" part they also tweeted.  All views should be respected and you guys can do what you want, it's just that I don't have to hold your coin (free market of crypto....for the moment).  What I want now is a good exit strategy...

Edit: I see the twitter will be tightened up.  Given his views, I don't trust a coin with the state socialist David Latapie as developer or promoter.  This may seem extreme, but again, I don't have to hold your coin.  But I shall for a while as I figure out what to do here...

Edit 2: No teenager, I am a 30-something with unbelievable angst.
legendary
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Thank you for making us aware of that. I have now learned (I didn't know) that the twitter account is being handled by community volunteers. Their efforts are well meaning and helpful, but it seems things got a little derailed there. For the most part it should only be used for announcements, and certainly not for personal political opinions. We will tighten up controls on it.

I assure you that I have not been polled on my political views (nor I suspect has the rest of the team) so whoever posted that simply does not know what he or she is talking about.
newbie
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This is my first post here, but I am not a "troll".  I am a significant holder, accumulating over the last months, and you can tell by my twitter @indiemaps that I have supported Monero in the past.  But I can't see how anybody can trust the socialist devs of this project after the revelations of the past few days.  I will not dump b/c I believe there is more BTC to be made off this flavor of the season coin.  But I have certainly lost my trust and faith in the coin and team.

The developers claim to want to separate the monetary system from the government, yet David Latapie also believes in socialist education, redistributionist schemes, and forced/violent taxation.  How this is compatible with an anonymous cryptocurrency is beyond me.

I and I hope all the other anarchists who have supported this coin in the past need to move on....to a coin with nonviolent developers who do not wish to force their views of society on us.

Decentralized development means different people will have different opinions, see Mike Hearn versus Peter Todd versus sipa in Bitcoin.

If you can't handle other people having different opinions about the monetary systems of the world, you might be fascist.

Nice try.  I can handle other people having any opinion, just not force or violence.  You can have your socialist views, and others will soon have my monero!
newbie
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https://twitter.com/monerocurrency/status/505851422412636160

And, Anon136:

Yes, it is that I do not trust state socialists to develop the coin that is being described here and desired by the community here.  Yes, I do believe that especially David Latapie would be willing to cooperate with any and all regulators to create backdoors/enable spying on transactions.

Also, I love Hoppe.
legendary
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This is my first post here, but I am not a "troll".  I am a significant holder, accumulating over the last months, and you can tell by my twitter @indiemaps that I have supported Monero in the past.  But I can't see how anybody can trust the socialist devs of this project after the revelations of the past few days.  I will not dump b/c I believe there is more BTC to be made off this flavor of the season coin.  But I have certainly lost my trust and faith in the coin and team.

The developers claim to want to separate the monetary system from the government, yet David Latapie also believes in socialist education, redistributionist schemes, and forced/violent taxation.  How this is compatible with an anonymous cryptocurrency is beyond me.

I and I hope all the other anarchists who have supported this coin in the past need to move on....to a coin with nonviolent developers who do not wish to force their views of society on us.

There is room for differing views in the developer team. In fact I consider that one our great strengths. I can also assure you that the full range of views is well represented.

I was told specifically on twitter by @monerocurrency that "most people in our team have a similar opinion"

Please identify the tweet so I can point to it when I ask that our opinions not be misleadingly characterized.

newbie
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This is my first post here, but I am not a "troll".  I am a significant holder, accumulating over the last months, and you can tell by my twitter @indiemaps that I have supported Monero in the past.  But I can't see how anybody can trust the socialist devs of this project after the revelations of the past few days.  I will not dump b/c I believe there is more BTC to be made off this flavor of the season coin.  But I have certainly lost my trust and faith in the coin and team.

The developers claim to want to separate the monetary system from the government, yet David Latapie also believes in socialist education, redistributionist schemes, and forced/violent taxation.  How this is compatible with an anonymous cryptocurrency is beyond me.

I and I hope all the other anarchists who have supported this coin in the past need to move on....to a coin with nonviolent developers who do not wish to force their views of society on us.

There is room for differing views in the developer team. In fact I consider that one our great strengths. I can also assure you that the full range of views is well represented.

I was told specifically on twitter by @monerocurrency that "most people in our team have a similar opinion"
pa
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BBR will reach Monero's market cap sometime within the next few months. I have no idea if 1 or both coins will survive the next five years are what their "successes" will be. But James is a legit developer and everything he has put his mind to has come together and come together fast. I am a big holder of both coins, but there are going to be a lot of pissed off BTC whales in a few months about all this went down. Because this is going to hit them in their ego and their pocket books short term. Meanwhile, I'll happily ride both trains.

James seems legit: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8618574
legendary
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BBR will reach Monero's market cap sometime within the next few months. I have no idea if 1 or both coins will survive the next five years are what their "successes" will be. But James is a legit developer and everything he has put his mind to has come together and come together fast. I am a big holder of both coins, but there are going to be a lot of pissed off BTC whales in a few months about all this went down. Because this is going to hit them in their ego and their pocket books short term. Meanwhile, I'll happily ride both trains.

pissed off BTC whales = oxymoron?

I rather doubt there are very many CryptoNote coin holders who don't have massively larger BTC stakes. Sure, there might be a few but they are the exception.
legendary
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BBR will reach Monero's market cap sometime within the next few months. I have no idea if 1 or both coins will survive the next five years are what their "successes" will be. But James is a legit developer and everything he has put his mind to has come together and come together fast. I am a big holder of both coins, but there are going to be a lot of pissed off BTC whales in a few months about all this went down. Because this is going to hit them in their ego and their pocket books short term. Meanwhile, I'll happily ride both trains.
legendary
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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.
3. Where's the "hasty generalization?"  All I said was that it's very nice to have two significantly different approaches for implementing CN.  Oh Noez, I said something nice about BBR!?  Quick, burn the witch!   Tongue

There is a conception, popular among a faction of open source advocates and articulated in the dark enlightenment, that democratic urges are dissipative, and the only viable forms of governance are, in the most extreme form at least, outright dictatorial. But there are many projects which have had great success in the free world which have had much more egalitarian, collegial meritocratic or consensus-driven governance than, e.g. Linux.   My impression is that an order of decreasing centralization of management would be:  BBR, Linux, BTC, XMR.  

It is natural and appropriate to defend the existing, well-working, management structure of XMR against ideologues influenced by dark enlightenment or other precepts.  The more distributed structure makes it more robust to some of the risks which more centralized structures entail.  

Trying to twist that into an antipathy to BBR is way out of line

I like you aminorex, because you surprise me with novel opinions and that's a rare talent.  EG, framing a BBR vs XMR debate in terms of DE's neo-royalism.  Wow, I did not expect that!  Kudos!   Cool

But I don't need to "twist" anything to demonstrate antipathy to BBR, because there's plenty of that here already:

I'm tired of all this Boolberry crap, the only reason anyone is pumping this junk is because the coins became 40 times cheaper than Monero and everyone now has huge stacks of these silly coins hoping to become rich, they are so worthless even I own thousands of Boolberry's, they cost such a small percent of my networth it made sense.

It would make me so happy for these Boolberry's to hit zero and never return, and these silly myths about the magnificent Zoidberg and the pumper James finally be laid to rest.

Canth, both coins are already winners in that they are very high profile and growing rapidly despite BTC being in a local downtrend.

We simply don't yet know at this time which one has superior merits, hence hedging.  Disclosure: I spend far more on XMR (in May) than I have on BBR and XCN combined.  So please don't pigeonhole me as a BBR partisan or an external enemy from outside of Cryptonote land.

My response to all of your cultish slings and arrows is this:

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Narcissism of small differences

The narcissism of small differences is a term that describes 'the phenomenon that it is precisely communities with adjoining territories, and related to each other in other ways as well, who are engaged in constant feuds and ridiculing each other' – 'such sensitiveness [...] to just these details of differentiation'.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissism_of_small_differences
hero member
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Hmm, this BBR stuff is quickly going off-topic.
hero member
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same here and profited. sorry (butthurt morons?) haters, hate on us/me all you want. IDC. Cheesy

Boolberry spiked because I pissed of James. The joke's on him though, I made so much money from that.

Pulling out the 'fuk tha h8ers hate on us all u want' card already, nice..   Roll Eyes
legendary
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Sine secretum non libertas
XMR crashed -13%.   Wink

XMR is currently in a massive uptrend from 17 Aug.
legendary
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Merit: 1030
Sine secretum non libertas
3. Where's the "hasty generalization?"  All I said was that it's very nice to have two significantly different approaches for implementing CN.  Oh Noez, I said something nice about BBR!?  Quick, burn the witch!   Tongue

There is a conception, popular among a faction of open source advocates and articulated in the dark enlightenment, that democratic urges are dissipative, and the only viable forms of governance are, in the most extreme form at least, outright dictatorial. But there are many projects which have had great success in the free world which have had much more egalitarian, collegial meritocratic or consensus-driven governance than, e.g. Linux.   My impression is that an order of decreasing centralization of management would be:  BBR, Linux, BTC, XMR.  

It is natural and appropriate to defend the existing, well-working, management structure of XMR against ideologues influenced by dark enlightenment or other precepts.  The more distributed structure makes it more robust to some of the risks which more centralized structures entail.  

Trying to twist that into an antipathy to BBR is way out of line.
legendary
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ahh Picked up some monero today.

same here and profited. sorry (butthurt morons?) haters, hate on us/me all you want. IDC. Cheesy
hero member
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ahh Picked up some monero today.
legendary
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Except that Zoidberg is a none trick poney, Linux has expert management skills.

The XMR/BBR sibling rivalry is adorable.  Sound like somebody is cranky because BBR spiked up +25% while XMR crashed -13%.   Wink

Boolberry spiked because I pissed of James. The joke's on him though, I made so much money from that.
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