FORK ME!!
LAME, that's only 2million marketcap in USD. Trying to make it seem big.
THIS coin is just a fork, nothing Innovative about it, besides being a fork/clone of Bytecoin. Join the Bytecoin community instead, but don't entertain forks...
Topic: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - page 1980. (Read 4670562 times)
LAME, that's only 2million marketcap in USD. Trying to make it seem big.
THIS coin is just a fork, nothing Innovative about it, besides being a fork/clone of Bytecoin. Join the Bytecoin community instead, but don't entertain forks...
The entire idea of free and open source is ripping off someone else's hard work. That's why I would never release code I'm proud of under a license like the GPL.
Nobody said you can't rip-off stuff. You can do it alright, but you'll face the consequences of self-limitation into parasitic mentality. That's especially true when you do it in a way where you aren't really taking something to improve it technically, but rather cloning it and re-branding it to achieve your own financial advantage.
Form whatever opinions you like but don't be so presumptuous as to claim to know other people's motivations. You don't.
I can't speak for anyone else but in my case there is no financial advantage. I was already making a lot of money mining bytecoin, both keeping some of the coins I mined and selling some. (In fact this was the first clue it was a scam, because a coin in widespread adoption with stores and services using it and thousands of nodes on the network, as claimed, should not have been that easy to mine.) If bytecoin had been successful in terms of adoption, I would have done extremely well. In fact I still have some of those coins, and I'd still do extremely well if bytecoin somehow managed to make it. When Monero started, and for quite some time (really until the recent value jump), my BCN holdings dwarfed by MRO holdings.
What I saw from BCN was not just a premine but also an extremely dishonest scam to try to "sell" the premine as being something other than what it was. I also saw what was very likely an organized campaign of sock puppets and FUD intended to block the community from figuring out what was actually going on and putting a stop to it. That rubbed me the wrong way and encouraged me to focus my efforts elsewhere, even though initially that was to my own personal financial disadvantage.
I'm funny that way. I will speak out even when it is to my disadvantage when I feel something is just not right. Perhaps you have seen some of that here.
As I have said before, the bytecoin developers are welcome here. If they want to develop the technology they are free to do so, here, without a hidden 80% premine. This was not an attempt to steal anything from them, it was just a relaunch of an otherwise good coin without a premine scam, nothing more. They can have everything they had with BCN, except 150 billion coins stashed away somewhere. If they choose not to participate, then we will continue to build a team of interested and highly qualified developers and move on without them.
FORK ME!!
Oh good! Why isn't it in 2nd place yet?
Finally! 
If they added BCN right now it would be laughably in the top 5.
If they added BCN right now it would be laughably in the top 5.
The Bytecoin devs, for whatever reason, have been dicking around for quite some time. Completely ignoring the "premine", many of us were simply getting tired of waiting for things to happen. We were also tired of the unresponsiveness and cryptic bullshit on part of the BCN developers. This by itself is what started talks of forking. It's quite amusing how BCN followers have suddenly appeared out of nowhere and BCN work has sprung to life now that MRO has gained traction.
Every time I hear of the total amount of coins mined in Bytecoin, a nice quote comes to mind:
Quote from: CryptoNote
Cryptonote isn't a cult.
It isn't a government, it isn't banks.
It isn't Satoshi Nakamoto.
...
It isn't a government, it isn't banks.
It isn't Satoshi Nakamoto.
...
Their reference to Satoshi Nakamoto has been attributed to the million or so BTC that is supposedly held. My own understanding of this quote is that we have no Satoshi here. There is no axe over our heads waiting to self-destruct everything on one random day in the future.
That won't happen here, and that's fundamentally why I support this coin over an alternative (well, that plus Tacotime and everyone else jumping on board
). No one man, or small group, has that many coins. Simple as that for me. No need to come up with fancy names for it. 
The entire idea of free and open source is ripping off someone else's hard work. That's why I would never release code I'm proud of under a license like the GPL.
Nobody said you can't rip-off stuff. You can do it alright, but you'll face the consequences of self-limitation into parasitic mentality. That's especially true when you do it in a way where you aren't really taking something to improve it technically, but rather cloning it and re-branding it to achieve your own financial advantage.
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Your idea of what the subconscious says, however, is ridiculous. You're trying to say that everyone's subconscious mind believes stealing means that the thief is pathetic, which is absurd.
It's not my "idea". It's how the mind operates. Ask, for example, a hypnotist about presuppositions, and how he uses them to slip the affirmations and suggestions he wants directly to the subconscious.
The human mind produces dual thoughts, not single thoughts. For every thought or action, there is an implied thought. The implied thought tends to go unnoticed (unless one is trained to observe them - which is not difficult, it just takes time) and when it goes unnoticed it then becomes subconscious programming since it goes down uncontested.
Humans are taught that if they can do evil and get away with it they are ok. They will never get away from their own implied self-programming that says "if I harmed others to advance myself, then apparently I'm unable to advance myself on my own powers -> therefore I have no powers". Self-sabotaging. If there is anything like "karma" or "hell" or "divine punishment", this is it. But it's not performed by some higher power. It's performed by us.
Be virtuous and expand yourself. Be a scam and limit yourself.
Thankfully
My favorite part of the whole thing is that those people are often so oblivious as to what is taking place. Sorta fun to watch.
Is there anything unique about Monero? It seems to have just added cryptonote and that's it. What's to stop 50 coins doing the same and having better marketing?
There are already 4 Cryptonote coins: https://cryptonote.org/coins.php
There seems to be a big danger of dilution without some unique developments.
There are already 4 Cryptonote coins: https://cryptonote.org/coins.php
There seems to be a big danger of dilution without some unique developments.
Fantomcoin: http://fantomcoin.org/
Quazarcoin: http://quazarcoin.org/
Aren't they just the same as Monero?
Slight differences but not enough to bother with in my opinion. Compared to those you are better off just sticking with Monero at this point. I'd say that even if I weren't involved with Monero, and I have said so with respect to other shitcoins. However, you should make your own judgement about whether their changes are worthwhile and likely to get any kind of traction.
We've contributed a massive amount to the infrastructure of the coin so far, enough to get recognition from cryptonote, including optimizing their hashing algorithm by an order of magnitude, creating open source pool software, and pushing several commits correcting issues with the coin that eventually were merged into the ByteCoin master. We also assisted some exchange operators in helping to support the coin.
To say that has no value is a bit silly... We've been working alongside the ByteCoin devs to improve both coins substantially.
To say that has no value is a bit silly... We've been working alongside the ByteCoin devs to improve both coins substantially.
I recognize that the work you've done is nothing trivial. It's more than I could possibly hope to contribute in a lifetime. Right now I'm here to try calm some egos by keeping my mind set on the call for this.
My worry is that I come here and we're fighting with DarkCoin supporters and there's active FUD from a public voice on the Poloniex trollbox that people should be buying this instead, from a public voice nonetheless.
It's not a marketcap that will be able to pay for the type of minds necessary for this to go the distance. You have to know that, as you've certainly been privy to creating something fantastic yourself with MC2. My point is that, I don't think these are the type of people that can be bribed with just a few coins and a high marketcap.
My worries are not with you at all, and never will be. You've more than proven yourself. I worry for anyone that comes here and immediately thinks this is a pump and dump and then leaves with those thoughts, or has nothing better to contribute than petty misunderstandings that get blown out of proportion. Specifically I worry most when people like gmaxwell come by and are left with no choice but to skip right over because of misunderstandings or misrepresentation.
The Bytecoin devs, for whatever reason, have been dicking around for quite some time. Completely ignoring the "premine", many of us were simply getting tired of waiting for things to happen. We were also tired of the unresponsiveness and cryptic bullshit on part of the BCN developers. This by itself is what started talks of forking. It's quite amusing how BCN followers have suddenly appeared out of nowhere and BCN work has sprung to life now that MRO has gained traction.
We've contributed a massive amount to the infrastructure of the coin so far, enough to get recognition from cryptonote, including optimizing their hashing algorithm by an order of magnitude, creating open source pool software, and pushing several commits correcting issues with the coin that eventually were merged into the ByteCoin master. We also assisted some exchange operators in helping to support the coin.
To say that has no value is a bit silly... We've been working alongside the ByteCoin devs to improve both coins substantially.
To say that has no value is a bit silly... We've been working alongside the ByteCoin devs to improve both coins substantially.
The entire idea of free and open source is ripping off someone else's hard work. That's why I would never release code I'm proud of under a license like the GPL.
Nobody said you can't rip-off stuff. You can do it alright, but you'll face the consequences of self-limitation into parasitic mentality. That's especially true when you do it in a way where you aren't really taking something to improve it technically, but rather cloning it and re-branding it to achieve your own financial advantage.
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Your idea of what the subconscious says, however, is ridiculous. You're trying to say that everyone's subconscious mind believes stealing means that the thief is pathetic, which is absurd.
It's not my "idea". It's how the mind operates. Ask, for example, a hypnotist about presuppositions, and how he uses them to slip the affirmations and suggestions he wants directly to the subconscious.
The human mind produces dual thoughts, not single thoughts. For every thought or action, there is an implied thought. The implied thought tends to go unnoticed (unless one is trained to observe them - which is not difficult, it just takes time) and when it goes unnoticed it then becomes subconscious programming since it goes down uncontested.
Humans are taught that if they can do evil and get away with it they are ok. They will never get away from their own implied self-programming that says "if I harmed others to advance myself, then apparently I'm unable to advance myself on my own powers -> therefore I have no powers". Self-sabotaging. If there is anything like "karma" or "hell" or "divine punishment", this is it. But it's not performed by some higher power. It's performed by us.
Be virtuous and expand yourself. Be a scam and limit yourself.
Actually, I like this video. Thanks for linking it.
It correctly describes the same type of work and tremendous effort that will undoubtedly be required for this protocol to succeed.
I can only hope that both CyptoNote, and any CN coin (MRO, BCN or any other CN coin included) can put themselves in a light that invites such fantastic minds, and excellent people, as the BitCoin protocol has done.
It's not a light undertaking, what we have laying ahead of us, and if there ever was to be some form of mutual recognition that could possibly be fostered by the BTC core community .. it wouldn't be wasted on this protocol.
CryptoNote has handed us everything, for which we owe them everything. Let's hope that their efforts will not be squandered.
Let's start first by paying them back by providing the same allure that BitCoin held and continues to hold to this day. The market can wait for another day or year or forever. There's something fascinating here, and that's good enough for me right now.
Is there anything unique about Monero? It seems to have just added cryptonote and that's it. What's to stop 50 coins doing the same and having better marketing?
There are already 4 Cryptonote coins: https://cryptonote.org/coins.php
There seems to be a big danger of dilution without some unique developments.
There are already 4 Cryptonote coins: https://cryptonote.org/coins.php
There seems to be a big danger of dilution without some unique developments.
Fantomcoin: http://fantomcoin.org/
Quazarcoin: http://quazarcoin.org/
Aren't they just the same as Monero?
Regarding the logo contest, I am happy to say that with the present changes and clarifications, I think things are a-okay.
Thank you for addressing the problem and, in my view at least, fixing it.
Thank you for addressing the problem and, in my view at least, fixing it.
The answer you might get from Monero developers is they wished to put a fair cryptonote based currency in the spotlight for everyone to enjoy, because the technology has promise.
Yeah, altruism is always the main motive of clone coins...
With the exception of Bitcoin (and DOGE which was made for the lulz), I don't think many people created coins for the good of humanity.
Regardless of motivations, a cryptocurrency with privacy protections is essential to the survival of any kind of human dignity and freedom. BCN premine was indecent. Monero fixed that crime. I am glad of it, for myself, and for my progeny.
We don't disagree on the need for anonymous currencies. But stealing other's work to capitalize on them and then claim superiority as you throw the original devs from the cliff is indecent / a "crime" too.
You can't correct scam mentality (80% premine) with scam mentality (taking the entire code that others created and saying "oh, yeah, that works great and we fixed the premine").
The ultimate form of programming and hacking, is the programming of the human mind. Few know how the mind is programmed and even fewer know how they are self-programming themselves every day through their actions.
For every action there is a subconscious programming routine that is performed automatically: When you steal, your subconscious observes the stealing act and says "Since I'm stealing, my creative capacities are obviously not very good - otherwise I'd be able to manage on my own... the fact that I'm stealing proves that I have inadequate creative capacities". This is programming the subconscious of the thief into a very strong self-affirmation of limitation and parasitism. Nothing good can come out of that. This dynamic is inescapable in human affairs and it will blow up in some way, at some time.
Even so, Bytecoin (and to a lesser degree clones) is/are useful so that they can up the anonymity game in terms of technology. The market is sufficiently large where everyone can fit in. I estimate that even if 1% to 10% of the transparent market goes anonymous, we'll see 70-700mn market cap for anonymous coins (with current BTC prises). If BTC prices multiply we can also multiply the prior projection.
so any way we can mine using a proxy server?
You have failed, sir. Let me help.
Code:
minerd --help
Usage: minerd [OPTIONS]
Options:
-a, --algo=ALGO specify the algorithm to use
scrypt scrypt(1024, 1, 1) (default)
sha256d SHA-256d
keccak Keccak
quark Quark
heavy Heavy
skein Skein
shavite3 Shavite3
blake Blake
x11 X11
cryptonight CryptoNight
-o, --url=URL URL of mining server
-O, --userpass=U:P username:password pair for mining server
-u, --user=USERNAME username for mining server
-p, --pass=PASSWORD password for mining server
--cert=FILE certificate for mining server using SSL
-x, --proxy=[PROTOCOL://]HOST[:PORT] connect through a proxy
-t, --threads=N number of miner threads (default: number of processors)
-r, --retries=N number of times to retry if a network call fails
(default: retry indefinitely)
-R, --retry-pause=N time to pause between retries, in seconds (default: 30)
-T, --timeout=N timeout for long polling, in seconds (default: none)
-s, --scantime=N upper bound on time spent scanning current work when
long polling is unavailable, in seconds (default: 5)
--no-longpoll disable X-Long-Polling support
--no-stratum disable X-Stratum support
--no-redirect ignore requests to change the URL of the mining server
-q, --quiet disable per-thread hashmeter output
-D, --debug enable debug output
-P, --protocol-dump verbose dump of protocol-level activities
-S, --syslog use system log for output messages
-B, --background run the miner in the background
--benchmark run in offline benchmark mode
-c, --config=FILE load a JSON-format configuration file
-V, --version display version information and exit
-h, --help display this help text and exit
Usage: minerd [OPTIONS]
Options:
-a, --algo=ALGO specify the algorithm to use
scrypt scrypt(1024, 1, 1) (default)
sha256d SHA-256d
keccak Keccak
quark Quark
heavy Heavy
skein Skein
shavite3 Shavite3
blake Blake
x11 X11
cryptonight CryptoNight
-o, --url=URL URL of mining server
-O, --userpass=U:P username:password pair for mining server
-u, --user=USERNAME username for mining server
-p, --pass=PASSWORD password for mining server
--cert=FILE certificate for mining server using SSL
-x, --proxy=[PROTOCOL://]HOST[:PORT] connect through a proxy
-t, --threads=N number of miner threads (default: number of processors)
-r, --retries=N number of times to retry if a network call fails
(default: retry indefinitely)
-R, --retry-pause=N time to pause between retries, in seconds (default: 30)
-T, --timeout=N timeout for long polling, in seconds (default: none)
-s, --scantime=N upper bound on time spent scanning current work when
long polling is unavailable, in seconds (default: 5)
--no-longpoll disable X-Long-Polling support
--no-stratum disable X-Stratum support
--no-redirect ignore requests to change the URL of the mining server
-q, --quiet disable per-thread hashmeter output
-D, --debug enable debug output
-P, --protocol-dump verbose dump of protocol-level activities
-S, --syslog use system log for output messages
-B, --background run the miner in the background
--benchmark run in offline benchmark mode
-c, --config=FILE load a JSON-format configuration file
-V, --version display version information and exit
-h, --help display this help text and exit
ah thank you, i didnt know i could use minerd...thought i had to use that simpleminer thingy
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