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Topic: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - page 790. (Read 4671575 times)

legendary
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Monero Core Team
junseth just criticized ring signatures on the Bitcoin Uncensored podcast, saying that Gregory Maxwell knows more about how this stuff works than the Monero devs. Smiley

Starts around the 39:54 mark: https://soundcloud.com/bitcoinuncensored/e8-the-refuge-of-scoundrels-092615

When did Gregory Maxwell say "Monero won't work/won't scale"...?

He has said that it isn't compatible with the sort of UXTO pruning that Bitcoin can do, which is somewhat true (there are indeed a few tricky ways to make it work if you really want to). I've seen this on reddit and possibly elsewhere. It is also a bit disingenuous since he has also said that despite UXTO pruning, Bitcoin also can't usefully scale without going offchain, which is why he opposes increasing Bitcoin's block size too much beyond the current 5-7 tps). In fact, if I'm not mistaken he may have suggested lowering the block size, but I'm not positive of that.

I don't think he has ever said Monero "won't work".


UXTO pruning provides only a linear advantage over no pruning while the blockchain growth until the currency, be it Monero  or Bitcoin, becomes close to mainstream is, to a good approximation, exponential. Scaling basically depends on a continuation of Moore's, Kryder's, and Nielsen's Laws at an exponential rate of growth greater than the exponential rate of growth of the blockchain. Monero has the ability to scale with Moore's, Kryder's, and Nielsen's Laws.
legendary
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Is Monero compatible with Zerocash?

You can fork anything in if people support it.

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Would Monero + Zerocash have advantages over Bitcoin + Zerocash?

It would have the variable blocksize and the disinflationary money supply for permanent mining incentives. That latter is probably never, ever changeable in Bitcoin.

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Is Monero compatible with Zerocash? Would Monero + Zerocash have advantages over Bitcoin + Zerocash?
legendary
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junseth just criticized ring signatures on the Bitcoin Uncensored podcast, saying that Gregory Maxwell knows more about how this stuff works than the Monero devs. Smiley

Starts around the 39:54 mark: https://soundcloud.com/bitcoinuncensored/e8-the-refuge-of-scoundrels-092615

When did Gregory Maxwell say "Monero won't work/won't scale"...?

He has said that it isn't compatible with the sort of UXTO pruning that Bitcoin can do, which is somewhat true (there are indeed a few tricky ways to make it work if you really want to). I've seen this on reddit and possibly elsewhere. It is also a bit disingenuous since he has also said that despite UXTO pruning, Bitcoin also can't usefully scale without going offchain, which is why he opposes increasing Bitcoin's block size too much beyond the current 5-7 tps). In fact, if I'm not mistaken he may have suggested lowering the block size, but I'm not positive of that.

I don't think he has ever said Monero "won't work".
hero member
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junseth just criticized ring signatures on the Bitcoin Uncensored podcast, saying that Gregory Maxwell knows more about how this stuff works than the Monero devs. Smiley

Starts around the 39:54 mark: https://soundcloud.com/bitcoinuncensored/e8-the-refuge-of-scoundrels-092615

When did Gregory Maxwell say "Monero won't work/won't scale"...?
legendary
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Someone posted this on twitter, pretty awesome if you ask me -> http://blog.carl.pro/2015/09/monero-how-to-setup-a-full-node/
legendary
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junseth just criticized ring signatures on the Bitcoin Uncensored podcast, saying that Gregory Maxwell knows more about how this stuff works than the Monero devs. Smiley

Starts around the 39:54 mark: https://soundcloud.com/bitcoinuncensored/e8-the-refuge-of-scoundrels-092615
legendary
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it appears that the bitcoin.com forum has now a monero board too: https://forum.bitcoin.com/monero-f66/

just in case someone feels like moving some duplicate content over there  Wink

What? Is this post bait?

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After a temporary split, there has been a reorganization of the Monero forum blockchain.
Everyone is back on the same chain now.

Welcome to the free forum!

https://forum.bitcoin.com/monero-f66/monero-so-nice-it-needs-two-forum-subsections-t463.html?sid=c7cf885f69da5c25189c3fab262947be

Don't think that site is worth the time it takes to register. Adding Monero is just a ploy to get traffic IMO.

of course it is  Smiley but if the forum should pick up traffic, the info provided on monero should be good.

I'm not endorsing anyone to move over there. personally I like the getmonero forum the best. just took a while to get used to the gui.

This is an automatic update. Do not reply/quote this message.

I am tired of the trolldom spreading FUD about this great project. My trollbuster algorithms have detected the forbidden use of the word GUI in your post. Welcome to my ignore list.


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To be honest, I think he meant the GUI of the new website/forum :-P
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it appears that the bitcoin.com forum has now a monero board too: https://forum.bitcoin.com/monero-f66/

just in case someone feels like moving some duplicate content over there  Wink

What? Is this post bait?

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After a temporary split, there has been a reorganization of the Monero forum blockchain.
Everyone is back on the same chain now.

Welcome to the free forum!

https://forum.bitcoin.com/monero-f66/monero-so-nice-it-needs-two-forum-subsections-t463.html?sid=c7cf885f69da5c25189c3fab262947be

Don't think that site is worth the time it takes to register. Adding Monero is just a ploy to get traffic IMO.

of course it is  Smiley but if the forum should pick up traffic, the info provided on monero should be good.

I'm not endorsing anyone to move over there. personally I like the getmonero forum the best. just took a while to get used to the gui.

This is an automatic update. Do not reply/quote this message.

I am tired of the trolldom spreading FUD about this great project. My trollbuster algorithms have detected the forbidden use of the word GUI in your post. Welcome to my ignore list.


Tongue
legendary
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monero
it appears that the bitcoin.com forum has now a monero board too: https://forum.bitcoin.com/monero-f66/

just in case someone feels like moving some duplicate content over there  Wink

What? Is this post bait?

Quote
After a temporary split, there has been a reorganization of the Monero forum blockchain.
Everyone is back on the same chain now.

Welcome to the free forum!

https://forum.bitcoin.com/monero-f66/monero-so-nice-it-needs-two-forum-subsections-t463.html?sid=c7cf885f69da5c25189c3fab262947be

Don't think that site is worth the time it takes to register. Adding Monero is just a ploy to get traffic IMO.

of course it is  Smiley but if the forum should pick up traffic, the info provided on monero should be good.

I'm not endorsing anyone to move over there. personally I like the getmonero forum the best. just took a while to get used to the gui.
hero member
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Neat that there is a Monero subforum but the traffic on that forum is like zero...
legendary
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Doomed to see the future and unable to prevent it
it appears that the bitcoin.com forum has now a monero board too: https://forum.bitcoin.com/monero-f66/

just in case someone feels like moving some duplicate content over there  Wink

What? Is this post bait?

Quote
After a temporary split, there has been a reorganization of the Monero forum blockchain.
Everyone is back on the same chain now.

Welcome to the free forum!

https://forum.bitcoin.com/monero-f66/monero-so-nice-it-needs-two-forum-subsections-t463.html?sid=c7cf885f69da5c25189c3fab262947be

Don't think that site is worth the time it takes to register. Adding Monero is just a ploy to get traffic IMO.
legendary
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monero
it appears that the bitcoin.com forum has now a monero board too: https://forum.bitcoin.com/monero-f66/

just in case someone feels like moving some duplicate content over there  Wink
legendary
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Thank you very much for the cogent answer. Monero is really my first venture into anything tech related and I'm trying my best to get caught up and familiar with all the terminology.

aye. I got into it as my first cryptocurrency venture as well, and this was all new to me. People are generally friendly, so don't hesitate to ask anything. Though a good googling of any topic is always in good order Smiley

also, for more speedy inxns, you can checkout #monero on freenode (IRC), which you can access via HexChat (software) or Kiwi (web app: https://kiwiirc.com/client)
newbie
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Thank you very much for the cogent answer. Monero is really my first venture into anything tech related and I'm trying my best to get caught up and familiar with all the terminology.
legendary
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Would you mind telling me the basics of this Source/GIT/ project?

By source/GIT/project he means everything encompassing Monero.

Monero is open source software. Thus, it is developed in an open source manner - this means that anyone can contribute. Because the organization of anyone contributing to software can become a nightmare, the developer of Linux created Git.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Git_(software)

You can imagine git as the place where software developers can collaborate on software in an organized fashion, so they can go "yo bob, you broke the monkey infuriator function" and bob can go "ok, I'll fix it". Primarily, git functions as version control https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Version_control

So. The monero source code is in a git repository.  This git repository has to be maintained by someone. That someone is the Monero Core team. The core team ultimately decides what goes into the repository and what doesn't.

Thats a very short and crude answer, but that should cover it.
newbie
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Would you mind telling me the basics of this Source/GIT/ project?
legendary
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LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper
Monero is clearly wonderful and has HUGE potential to become one of the main cryptocurrencies in use- this we all know. I think the greatest hurdle Monero will face is to definitively punch through the ceiling that it has been under for the past year and consistently remain above 1 dollar. To reach that goal and increasingly loftier heights, more and more of the general (less tech savy) public will need to buy into Monero as they largely did with Bitcoin. My question for all of you is what are some of the things that we could recommend to the developers to make Monero more user friendly to the masses?

Price of Monero in fiat ultimately is irrelevant. If fiat is a broken system then it is how much STUFF you can purchase with monero that matters.

The developers appear to be good stewards of the source/git/project and I like their approach to things.
legendary
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Monero is clearly wonderful and has HUGE potential to become one of the main cryptocurrencies in use- this we all know. I think the greatest hurdle Monero will face is to definitively punch through the ceiling that it has been under for the past year and consistently remain above 1 dollar. To reach that goal and increasingly loftier heights, more and more of the general (less tech savy) public will need to buy into Monero as they largely did with Bitcoin. My question for all of you is what are some of the things that we could recommend to the developers to make Monero more user friendly to the masses?

We. Is. You.

http://www.redpillmanifesto.blogspot.com/2009/09/if-youre-hearing-this-you-are.html
newbie
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Monero is clearly wonderful and has HUGE potential to become one of the main cryptocurrencies in use- this we all know. I think the greatest hurdle Monero will face is to definitively punch through the ceiling that it has been under for the past year and consistently remain above 1 dollar. To reach that goal and increasingly loftier heights, more and more of the general (less tech savy) public will need to buy into Monero as they largely did with Bitcoin. My question for all of you is what are some of the things that we could recommend to the developers to make Monero more user friendly to the masses?
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