[XMR] Monero Speculation - page 1279.

iCEBREAKER

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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.

Quote from: dEBRUYNE on June 09, 2016, 07:32:24 PM

Quote from: Hueristic on June 09, 2016, 06:22:12 PM

Need a dev in this thread?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11871574

Shen Noether (NobleSir) already responded. Zcash team (Ian Miers -> https://z.cash/team.html) should at least know their shit before they respond.

Oh sweet mother of the continuum, this is going to be good! Cool

*grabs chair, makes coffee, buys popcorn futures*

I love discussions so advanced I have only the faintest idea what is going on and no clue as to who is correct. Cool

For all of us in the peanut gallery, can someone (IE smooth/fluffy/gmax/The Todd) explain or provide linky explaining

-the impact of RingCT on blockchain growth/pruneability

-the impact of RingCT on where Monero falls in the anonymity set spectrum between good-enough CoinJoin (simplest thing that possibly works) and the supreme perfection of Zcash (Ultimate Anonymity^TM +/- toxic waste)?

Full disclosure: when I was figuring out how to spell "pruneability" I found this: http://radar.oreilly.com/2015/01/blockchain-scalability.html

Bonus question: Does the "sharding" approach used by ETH have any applicability to Monero and Zerocash's blockchain bloat problems?

dnaleor

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Want privacy? Use Monero!

Quote from: dEBRUYNE on June 09, 2016, 07:32:24 PM

Quote from: Hueristic on June 09, 2016, 06:22:12 PM

Need a dev in this thread?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11871574

Shen Noether (NobleSir) already responded. Zcash team (Ian Miers -> https://z.cash/team.html) should at least know their shit before they respond.

He should just have read my article...

dEBRUYNE

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Quote from: Hueristic on June 09, 2016, 06:22:12 PM

Need a dev in this thread?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11871574

Shen Noether (NobleSir) already responded. Zcash team (Ian Miers -> https://z.cash/team.html) should at least know their shit before they respond.

Hueristic

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Doomed to see the future and unable to prevent it

Need a dev in this thread?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11871574

obit33

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https://m.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/4nageo/on_fungibility_bitcoin_monero_and_why_zcash_is_a/

iCEBREAKER

legendary

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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.

Quote from: aerbax on June 09, 2016, 05:06:48 PM

And now on HackerNews:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11871574

Peter Todd joining in the discussion...

The Todd just rekt ikken for being an ignorant hypocrite (*complains about "one-sided" article; proceeds to make one-sided criticism of XMR blockchain bloat problem that is orders of magnitude worse for Zcash*).

Cheesy

aerbax

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Quote from: dEBRUYNE on June 09, 2016, 08:09:40 AM

"On Fungibility, Bitcoin, Monero and why ZCash is a bad idea."

http://weuse.cash/2016/06/09/btc-xmr-zcash/

https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/4nai1r/on_fungibility_bitcoin_monero_and_why_zcash_is_a/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/4nag3w/on_fungibility_bitcoin_monero_and_why_zcash_is_a/

And now on HackerNews:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11871574

Peter Todd joining in the discussion...

iCEBREAKER

legendary

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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.

Quote from: dEBRUYNE on June 09, 2016, 08:09:40 AM

"On Fungibility, Bitcoin, Monero and why ZCash is a bad idea."

http://weuse.cash/2016/06/09/btc-xmr-zcash/

https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/4nai1r/on_fungibility_bitcoin_monero_and_why_zcash_is_a/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/4nag3w/on_fungibility_bitcoin_monero_and_why_zcash_is_a/

Any reason it's not on /r/bitcoin? Too altcoiny for the main sub? Thermos might allow it if you ask nicely, since it's at least 50% about BTC.

Fantastic article and weuse.cash is just too perfect! Cool

Febo

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There was that 300 BTC wall at 0.00165 whole week and noone wanted to dump in it. seems noone need to get rid of Moneros that low anymore. Maybe last week was last time to see Monero under$1?

Monerobuyer0

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Quote from: Emperor of Man on June 09, 2016, 04:34:41 PM

Whatever you think is the reason for the XMR price pump of the last 12 hours is wrong and irrelevant! The only reason is because I sold all my XMR 12 hours ago! Angry

That's the kind of crappy-luck person I am!

I probably bought it from you.

Emperor of Man

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Whatever you think is the reason for the XMR price pump of the last 12 hours is wrong and irrelevant! The only reason is because I sold all my XMR 12 hours ago! Angry

That's the kind of crappy-luck person I am!

primer-

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Quote from: griffen1102 on June 09, 2016, 04:06:43 PM

Dat BEAR trend will be smashed if this candle closes above the red line.

A typical monero expert :

griffen1102

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Dat BEAR trend will be smashed if this candle closes above the red line.

Hueristic

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Doomed to see the future and unable to prevent it

Quote from: dEBRUYNE on June 09, 2016, 08:09:40 AM

"On Fungibility, Bitcoin, Monero and why ZCash is a bad idea."

http://weuse.cash/2016/06/09/btc-xmr-zcash/

https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/4nai1r/on_fungibility_bitcoin_monero_and_why_zcash_is_a/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/4nag3w/on_fungibility_bitcoin_monero_and_why_zcash_is_a/

Tweet these to snowden, he's hopelessly uniformed in these matters and his ~~twats~~ tweets hold weight.

Just saw this, one less DAO manipulator and ETH loser. Lol

http://sebfor.com/ethereum-mist-wallet-security-concerns-arrise-as-7218-eth-stolen/

Another reason for an integrated wallet and not a wrapper, for those that didn't understand this already.

primer-

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Nice pump guys, thanks!

americanpegasus

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Quote from: Johnny Mnemonic on June 09, 2016, 02:44:25 PM

I assume it's considerably more risky to invest in a community-driven project that you have no control over and can only hope the price increases, versus investing in a greatly hyped, for-profit project where you can sit back and collect 20% of the mining revenue. He makes money even if the price never moves.

For shame if that is the case. From watching his videos he doesn't seem like the type totally motivated by getting rich - he was already pretty well off before Bitcoin even. He seems motivated by a desire to be repping the best technology, regardless of other facts. He has a lot of talent and passion - lets hope he is with the good guys when it comes time for the movie.

Johnny Mnemonic

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Quote from: americanpegasus on June 09, 2016, 02:08:48 PM

Quote from: Johnny Mnemonic on June 09, 2016, 12:54:32 PM

It's neither misunderstood nor underestimated. At least not by the people we're referring to. The only reason they mentioned Monero at all is because their intentions would be (more) obvious if they didn't. So they mumble it under their breath between other projects and quickly move on.

How hard can it be for them Johnny? Acquire a reasonably whalish percentage of Monero - say 1%, which is fully possible given their Smaug hoard of Bitcoins. Then set up some buywalls to support their new investment. Then commit 1,000 bitcoins of dev support, funding, and ad purchases. Then release official statements of support.

They aren't supporting some ICO premine/devmine. This is an authentic project they should take pride in supporting. Why would they be worried it will undermine their own Bitcoin investment? There is a future for both projects - public and private money.

In Ver's case, it's not his Bitcoin investment he's worried about... it's his Zcash investment.

I assume it's considerably more risky to invest in a community-driven project that you have no control over and can only hope the price increases. Compare that to investing in an already greatly hyped, for-profit project where you can sit back and collect 20% of the mining revenue. He makes money even if the price never moves.

iCEBREAKER

legendary

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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.

Looking at the BTC trades go by, we see giant flurries of zero BTC "dust."

Those indicate interest payments being made to lenders, so we have some indication XMR is being shorted, perhaps heavily, today.

Time to break them? Or wait while they grow overconfident?

americanpegasus

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Quote from: Johnny Mnemonic on June 09, 2016, 12:54:32 PM

It's neither misunderstood nor underestimated. At least not by the people we're referring to. The only reason they mentioned Monero at all is because their intentions would be (more) obvious if they didn't. So they mumble it under their breath between other projects and quickly move on.

How hard can it be for them Johnny? Acquire a reasonably whalish percentage of Monero - say 1%, which is fully possible given their Smaug hoard of Bitcoins. Then set up some buywalls to support their new investment. Then commit 1,000 bitcoins of dev support, funding, and ad purchases. Then release official statements of support.

They aren't supporting some ICO premine/devmine. This is an authentic project they should take pride in supporting. Why would they be worried it will undermine their own Bitcoin investment? There is a future for both projects - public and private money.

pinky

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Interesting, I see that klee exiting XMR was a bullish sign. Or maybe klee is the manipulator?

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