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hero member
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March 24, 2015, 11:34:51 PM
I sent my mom some bitcoin in early 2013, she enjoyed the run.

Now she asks me, "is Monero better than Bitcoin?"
I'd say yes, by an order of magnitude, if only you guys had an official GUI and I didn't have to load the blockchain into RAM.
legendary
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March 24, 2015, 11:32:11 PM
I sent my mom some bitcoin in early 2013, she enjoyed the run.

Now she asks me, "is Monero better than Bitcoin?"
legendary
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March 24, 2015, 11:22:41 PM
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Moderate to low.

wow smooth. really? why do you say that? is the project not worthy? or do you just have little to no trust in the market? do you think something better will surpass both of us? or do you think no one will ever catch on to drk and it will become the privacy centric altcoin that everyone uses on the dark market? if that than do you think there are flaws in it that will allow everyone's identity to be uncovered some day?

a lot of elaboration on this comment would be nice.

You got him in a good mood, last time he said it will all go to zero Cheesy


I guess hes right now that i think about it. I told my mom to invest in bitcoin back in 2011 and she didnt listen. I told her then that it probably would go to 0 but that the expected roi was posative, sort of like a lottery ticket for smart people. I told her again with nxt and she didnt listen again. I was right about both. I told her that this was her third opportunity, and i told her again that it probably would go to 0 but had a positive expected return on investment.

it probably wont succeed for a million reasons. but im still convinced it has a very strong posative expected ROI despite this fact. And of course, it goes without saying, it deserves to succeed. good thing im a gambling man. i want to be wealthy so badly.

Thank you for words of encouragement.
The way we can do larger adoption than DRK is to bring it to the hands that are not involved into crypto. This brings fresh cash to the markets and probably those people are for the long haul since often they may not even own a computer(!!!!).

I guess you could convince your mother to invest only a small amount (like 100-1000 usd). This probably will not hurt her if she loses it completely.

i went ahead and made her a wallet, wrote the mnemonic on a piece of paper, gave her the piece of paper, and told her to hand me cash any time she liked and i would convert it and put it on that key. interested to see if she ever decides to hand me that cash. she makes a lot of money but spreads her self so thin. im not hopeful.

I see... After all, for these type of people 100-1000 usd means probably only a few dinners left out and taking own food to workplace instead a few times. There are indeed people who are not that good in saving money. Usually the bigger income the bigger expenses, so in order to become wealthy one need to pay special attention to costs.
This certainly has better Expected value than the most lotteries/raffles.

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Monero's current trend however feels more comfortable. It is bullish but not bubblish. After all, this type of trendline, if it lasts long before breakout, leads to high breakout.
At some point people realize finally Monero is slowly slowly trending upwards, they start to buying into the coin leading even larger rise and finally the gamblers enters to market saying, I will make money by buying the coin now and selling it tomorrow for 50-60 % higher. That's the right time to sell when the gamblers enter to the market IMO.
legendary
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March 24, 2015, 11:12:31 PM

This is compared to if CKG or moneritos was really pegged to XMR, ie. there's a way to trade it back from the king/devs, then X can pretty much stay constant (minus a % fee for the developers), then your property/CKG/moneritos etc will be able to keep their value.

If you weren't aware, moneritos are pegged to XRM; 1 XRM = 1,000,000 moneritos. The price of gold in-game is fluctuating all the time. If you were to buy gold in-game with your in-game assets, you could then transfer it out of the game into monero. 
They're pegged one-way, which is meaningless. You can't trade out your moneritos.

It's like a game where say a cash shop item costs $15, so the dev says it's worth $15, and proceeds to create 100,000,000 of them, and then says his account is now worth $1.5 Billion.

No one has said anything is worth $1.5 billion so you are trolling here.

There's no moneritos in the game that are created out of thin air afaik.

Are you serious? After everything I've typed, all you can do is ad hominem and red herring? Dude, I said it's LIKE A GAME, that's an example, an example to show a point. I didn't say someone claimed this particular game is worth 1.5 billion.

Seriously, it's unnatural how you guys are pretending not to understand this. It's really suspicious. I'm done explaining, I think any intelligent person can make their own decision on this. Unless you guys come up with genuine reasons and points where I am wrong, instead of using obvious red herrings and ad hominem, I'm done.

I wasn't trying to attack you just understand what you are saying. Can you explain better?
legendary
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March 24, 2015, 11:12:17 PM
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Moderate to low.

wow smooth. really? why do you say that? is the project not worthy? or do you just have little to no trust in the market? do you think something better will surpass both of us? or do you think no one will ever catch on to drk and it will become the privacy centric altcoin that everyone uses on the dark market? if that than do you think there are flaws in it that will allow everyone's identity to be uncovered some day?

a lot of elaboration on this comment would be nice.

You got him in a good mood, last time he said it will all go to zero Cheesy


I guess hes right now that i think about it. I told my mom to invest in bitcoin back in 2011 and she didnt listen. I told her then that it probably would go to 0 but that the expected roi was posative, sort of like a lottery ticket for smart people. I told her again with nxt and she didnt listen again. I was right about both. I told her that this was her third opportunity, and i told her again that it probably would go to 0 but had a positive expected return on investment.

it probably wont succeed for a million reasons. but im still convinced it has a very strong posative expected ROI despite this fact. And of course, it goes without saying, it deserves to succeed. good thing im a gambling man. i want to be wealthy so badly.

Thank you for words of encouragement.
The way we can do larger adoption than DRK is to bring it to the hands that are not involved into crypto. This brings fresh cash to the markets and probably those people are for the long haul since often they may not even own a computer(!!!!).

I guess you could convince your mother to invest only a small amount (like 100-1000 usd). This probably will not hurt her if she loses it completely.

i went ahead and made her a wallet, wrote the mnemonic on a piece of paper, gave her the piece of paper, and told her to hand me cash any time she liked and i would convert it and put it on that key. interested to see if she ever decides to hand me that cash. she makes a lot of money but spreads her self so thin. im not hopeful.
hero member
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March 24, 2015, 11:09:06 PM

I'll upgrade it a bit because I was thinking more about price than market cap. Given continued emission the cap will likely be higher. I still don't agree with 80% but if you do believe that you should probably go close to all-in on it (unless you think DRK is even better I suppose)


I see DRK as more of a wild card. If nothing catastrophic happens, the price may be very high indeed. Thanks to the price reinforcing nature of the master node system, as well as the relatively low number of coins in circulation. I'm planning to hold a bit of each.
legendary
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March 24, 2015, 11:03:54 PM
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Moderate to low.

wow smooth. really? why do you say that? is the project not worthy? or do you just have little to no trust in the market? do you think something better will surpass both of us? or do you think no one will ever catch on to drk and it will become the privacy centric altcoin that everyone uses on the dark market? if that than do you think there are flaws in it that will allow everyone's identity to be uncovered some day?

a lot of elaboration on this comment would be nice.

You got him in a good mood, last time he said it will all go to zero Cheesy


I guess hes right now that i think about it. I told my mom to invest in bitcoin back in 2011 and she didnt listen. I told her then that it probably would go to 0 but that the expected roi was posative, sort of like a lottery ticket for smart people. I told her again with nxt and she didnt listen again. I was right about both. I told her that this was her third opportunity, and i told her again that it probably would go to 0 but had a positive expected return on investment.

it probably wont succeed for a million reasons. but im still convinced it has a very strong posative expected ROI despite this fact. And of course, it goes without saying, it deserves to succeed. good thing im a gambling man. i want to be wealthy so badly.

Thank you for words of encouragement.
The way we can do larger adoption than DRK is to bring it to the hands that are not involved into crypto. This brings fresh cash to the markets and probably those people are for the long haul since often they may not even own a computer(!!!!).

I guess you could convince your mother to invest only a small amount (like 100-1000 usd). This probably will not hurt her if she loses it completely.
sr. member
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March 24, 2015, 11:02:22 PM

This is compared to if CKG or moneritos was really pegged to XMR, ie. there's a way to trade it back from the king/devs, then X can pretty much stay constant (minus a % fee for the developers), then your property/CKG/moneritos etc will be able to keep their value.

If you weren't aware, moneritos are pegged to XRM; 1 XRM = 1,000,000 moneritos. The price of gold in-game is fluctuating all the time. If you were to buy gold in-game with your in-game assets, you could then transfer it out of the game into monero. 
They're pegged one-way, which is meaningless. You can't trade out your moneritos.

It's like a game where say a cash shop item costs $15, so the dev says it's worth $15, and proceeds to create 100,000,000 of them, and then says his account is now worth $1.5 Billion.

No one has said anything is worth $1.5 billion so you are trolling here.

There's no moneritos in the game that are created out of thin air afaik.

Are you serious? After everything I've typed, all you can do is ad hominem and red herring? Dude, I said it's LIKE A GAME, that's an example, an example to show a point. I didn't say someone claimed this particular game is worth 1.5 billion.

Seriously, it's unnatural how you guys are pretending not to understand this. It's really suspicious. I'm done explaining, I think any intelligent person can make their own decision on this. Unless you guys come up with genuine reasons and points where I am wrong, instead of using obvious red herrings and ad hominem, I'm done.

legendary
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March 24, 2015, 11:02:13 PM

By low I don't mean zero. That is important. I don't disagree for the most part with rpteilla's earlier comments about expected value (may still be high even if the probability of success is low)

But just because Auroracoin did something, doesn't mean any particular other coin is likely to do that.

This is not just a defensive statement to avoid fraud charges, it is my actual opinion.
I think you're overly pessimistic. If one year from now Bitcoin is at its current price or higher, I'd say the odds for Monero having a market cap of over $25 million are over 80%. This needs to be further qualified with the conditions that the database and GUI are done, and the team is continuing to work on Monero.

I'll upgrade it a bit because I was thinking more about price than market cap. Given continued emission the cap will likely be higher. I still don't agree with 80% but if you do believe that you should probably go close to all-in on it (unless you think DRK is even better I suppose)

hero member
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March 24, 2015, 11:00:33 PM

By low I don't mean zero. That is important. I don't disagree for the most part with rpteilla's earlier comments about expected value (may still be high even if the probability of success is low)

But just because Auroracoin did something, doesn't mean any particular other coin is likely to do that.

This is not just a defensive statement to avoid fraud charges, it is my actual opinion.
I think you're overly pessimistic. If one year from now Bitcoin is at its current price or higher, I'd say the odds for Monero having a market cap of over $25 million are over 80%. This needs to be further qualified with the conditions that the database and GUI are done (the Monero client is stable and can be used on most computers by someone who isn't tech savy), and the team is continuing to work on Monero. Given the conditions I specified, I would say that $25 million is the low end!
legendary
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March 24, 2015, 11:00:05 PM
What are the odds Monero will go to similar heights as DRK?

Moderate to low.

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Do you think DRK is permanently gone to these heights or is it similar type of p&d as it was the case with paycoin or countless others?

No and maybe.

Wow... And DRK marketcap is not even 100 million usd.
Generally fiat currencies marketcaps are in trillions rather than billions so in this framework even btc has room to grow.
If Monero do not go even to Darkcoin heights I call it a failure and then it has no right to live IMO.

Responded already. Coins are speculative investments with (very) high potential returns and high risks.
legendary
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March 24, 2015, 10:55:37 PM
What are the odds Monero will go to similar heights as DRK?

Moderate to low.

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Do you think DRK is permanently gone to these heights or is it similar type of p&d as it was the case with paycoin or countless others?

No and maybe.

Wow... And DRK marketcap is not even 100 million usd.
Generally fiat currencies marketcaps are in trillions rather than billions so in this framework even btc has room to grow.
If Monero do not go even to Darkcoin heights I call it a failure and then it has no right to live IMO.
legendary
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March 24, 2015, 10:54:12 PM
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Moderate to low.

wow smooth. really? why do you say that? is the project not worthy? or do you just have little to no trust in the market? do you think something better will surpass both of us? or do you think no one will ever catch on to drk and it will become the privacy centric altcoin that everyone uses on the dark market? if that than do you think there are flaws in it that will allow everyone's identity to be uncovered some day?

a lot of elaboration on this comment would be nice.

You got him in a good mood, last time he said it will all go to zero Cheesy

Look carefully at my actual quote to see how I've been misquoted:

I don't think that all coins are equally ponzi investments, but all are certainly speculative, and all likely to go to zero (and I've said that about other coins too).
hero member
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March 24, 2015, 10:52:57 PM

It's hard to light a candle, easy to curse the dark instead
Haha, very apt.
legendary
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March 24, 2015, 10:52:05 PM

Moderate to low.



Wow really? Even I would say the odds are high for Monero to exceed Darkcoin's current market cap. If garbage like Auroracoin went over $100 million, surely something that's actually useful can do better.

By low I don't mean zero. That is important. I don't disagree for the most part with rpteilla's earlier comments about expected value (may still be high even if the probability of success is low)

But just because Auroracoin did something, doesn't mean any particular other coin is likely to do that.

This is not just a defensive statement to avoid fraud charges, it is my actual opinion.
legendary
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March 24, 2015, 10:51:49 PM
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Moderate to low.

wow smooth. really? why do you say that? is the project not worthy? or do you just have little to no trust in the market? do you think something better will surpass both of us? or do you think no one will ever catch on to drk and it will become the privacy centric altcoin that everyone uses on the dark market? if that than do you think there are flaws in it that will allow everyone's identity to be uncovered some day?

a lot of elaboration on this comment would be nice.

You got him in a good mood, last time he said it will all go to zero Cheesy


I guess hes right now that i think about it. I told my mom to invest in bitcoin back in 2011 and she didnt listen. I told her then that it probably would go to 0 but that the expected roi was posative, sort of like a lottery ticket for smart people. I told her again with nxt and she didnt listen again. I was right about both. I told her that this was her third opportunity, and i told her again that it probably would go to 0 but had a positive expected return on investment.

it probably wont succeed for a million reasons. but im still convinced it has a very strong posative expected ROI despite this fact. And of course, it goes without saying, it deserves to succeed. good thing im a gambling man. i want to be wealthy so badly.
hero member
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March 24, 2015, 10:50:06 PM
Monero is trending up nicely. IMO monero is currently the number one anon coin. I'm just scared of zerocash...

Why are you scared of it? I have even not heard about it. What is its marketcap?
The rise of DRK coin is a serious threath to Monero (yes, it has been argued it is insta/fastmine - but honestly people do not care about it - only us who are geeks are caring about it).
I do not own any DRK (unfortunately) and I am not planning to hold it as the train has left the station in this coin IMO (marketcap is ~ 5 times higher than XMR and DRK is approaching LTC).
Should we start a war agains DRK (perhaps shorting it to the bottomless pit...?). I guess in Bitfinex it is possible to short DRK if I am not mistaken...? Is it a smart thing to do?

This is unfortunately not possible at the moment.

I guess we should make this coin (Monero) shine like a sun then.  Shocked

It's hard to light a candle, easy to curse the dark instead
hero member
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March 24, 2015, 10:49:40 PM
Well he's just careful no one can sue him for giving out false financial advice.
hero member
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March 24, 2015, 10:46:47 PM

Moderate to low.



Wow really? Even I would say the odds are high for Monero to exceed Darkcoin's current market cap. If garbage like Auroracoin went over $100 million, surely something that's actually useful can do better.
legendary
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March 24, 2015, 10:42:02 PM
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Moderate to low.

wow smooth. really? why do you say that? is the project not worthy? or do you just have little to no trust in the market? do you think something better will surpass both of us? or do you think no one will ever catch on to drk and it will become the privacy centric altcoin that everyone uses on the dark market? if that than do you think there are flaws in it that will allow everyone's identity to be uncovered some day?

a lot of elaboration on this comment would be nice.
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