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Quote from: Pline on March 25, 2015, 11:20:26 PM

No actually that is when you called P3RS3US AKA child_harold a dumb shit. Here is when you called me a dumb shit. I was just quoting our lead dev rynomster. So you basically called him a dumb shit too:

I don't care who it is. Anyone who says that "tokens" in SDC are anything more than just outputs is either dumb or lying, as shown by the above excerpt from the SDC whitepaper.

Amusingly the response I got on the other thread for pointing that out was to be accused of faking the whitepaper LOL.

Well I think you misunderstood what I said smooth. What I was simply trying to say was what ryno said. That they chose anonymous tokens instead of "direct anonymous outputs to ring sigs" because they are building towards a certain direction. I accidentally left out the words "to ring sigs", when I mentioned it, which probably confused you.

Except that the above quoted phrase "outputs on the ShadowCash chain" is exactly "direct anonymous outputs to ring sigs" (ShadowCash chain outputs are spent using ring sigs).

It's a bunch of double talk imo.

Well I wanted to leave

But I'm a bit confused as to what you are getting at to be honest. Ryno was not saying that Shadow>Shadow transfers are not direct anonymous outputs to ring sigs. Of course they are. They are basically the same as Monero from my understanding. What I believe he meant was that instead of having ONLY Shadow>Shadow transfers like Monero, they introduced a 2-way pegged token. Then he explained the reason why they used a token instead of direct anonymous outputs to ring sigs like Monero. He said its because of the direction they are striving and building towards. I could be wrong, but that was just my understanding of it. Hope this helps clear it up.

I admire your due diligence, Pline, but ask yourself, "Why am I not on the SDC thread asking these same questions?" I asked a bunch a noob questions on the Monero thread and always got honest answers with the necessary links to do my own groundwork. That's why i trust this coin more than any other--though i'm sure the thread was (and still is) dragged down a bit by my steep learning curve. Tongue

Yes there are so many accusations of censorship on the part of that community coming from so many different angles that i am quite inclined to believe it. That doesn't reflect well on the long term prospects of the project.

*edit* speak of the devil. i just had a post from this very thread deleted by a monerator which just so happened to have the word sha0wcash in it. (if i say the actual word it will show up in searches and this post will be deleted too) Roll Eyes

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Quote from: smooth on March 25, 2015, 11:07:02 PM

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Quote from: smooth on March 25, 2015, 11:07:02 PM

No actually that is when you called P3RS3US AKA child_harold a dumb shit. Here is when you called me a dumb shit. I was just quoting our lead dev rynomster. So you basically called him a dumb shit too:

I don't care who it is. Anyone who says that "tokens" in SDC are anything more than just outputs is either dumb or lying, as shown by the above excerpt from the SDC whitepaper.

Amusingly the response I got on the other thread for pointing that out was to be accused of faking the whitepaper LOL.

Well I think you misunderstood what I said smooth. What I was simply trying to say was what ryno said. That they chose anonymous tokens instead of "direct anonymous outputs to ring sigs" because they are building towards a certain direction. I accidentally left out the words "to ring sigs", when I mentioned it, which probably confused you.

Except that the above quoted phrase "outputs on the ShadowCash chain" is exactly "direct anonymous outputs to ring sigs" (ShadowCash chain outputs are spent using ring sigs).

It's a bunch of double talk imo.

Well I wanted to leave

But I'm a bit confused as to what you are getting at to be honest. Ryno was not saying that Shadow>Shadow transfers are not direct anonymous outputs to ring sigs. Of course they are. They are basically the same as Monero from my understanding. What I believe he meant was that instead of having ONLY Shadow>Shadow transfers like Monero, they introduced a 2-way pegged token. Then he explained the reason why they used a token instead of direct anonymous outputs to ring sigs like Monero. He said its because of the direction they are striving and building towards. I could be wrong, but that was just my understanding of it. Hope this helps clear it up.

I admire your due diligence, Pline, but ask yourself, "Why am I not on the SDC thread asking these same questions?" I asked a bunch a noob questions on the Monero thread and always got honest answers with the necessary links to do my own groundwork. That's why i trust this coin more than any other--though i'm sure the thread was (and still is) dragged down a bit by my steep learning curve. Tongue

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No actually that is when you called P3RS3US AKA child_harold a dumb shit. Here is when you called me a dumb shit. I was just quoting our lead dev rynomster. So you basically called him a dumb shit too:

I don't care who it is. Anyone who says that "tokens" in SDC are anything more than just outputs is either dumb or lying, as shown by the above excerpt from the SDC whitepaper.

Amusingly the response I got on the other thread for pointing that out was to be accused of faking the whitepaper LOL.

Well I think you misunderstood what I said smooth. What I was simply trying to say was what ryno said. That they chose anonymous tokens instead of "direct anonymous outputs to ring sigs" because they are building towards a certain direction. I accidentally left out the words "to ring sigs", when I mentioned it, which probably confused you.

Except that the above quoted phrase "outputs on the ShadowCash chain" is exactly "direct anonymous outputs to ring sigs" (ShadowCash chain outputs are spent using ring sigs).

It's a bunch of double talk imo.

Well I wanted to leave

But I'm a bit confused as to what you are getting at to be honest. Ryno was not saying that Shadow>Shadow transfers are not direct anonymous outputs to ring sigs. Of course they are. They are basically the same as Monero from my understanding. What I believe he meant was that instead of having ONLY Shadow>Shadow transfers like Monero, they introduced a 2-way pegged token. Then he explained the reason why they used a token instead of direct anonymous outputs to ring sigs like Monero. He said its because of the direction they are striving and building towards. I could be wrong, but that was just my understanding of it. Hope this helps clear it up.

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(context above, no need to quote on every single post).

No actually that is when you called P3RS3US AKA child_harold a dumb shit. Here is when you called me a dumb shit. I was just quoting our lead dev rynomster. So you basically called him a dumb shit too:

I don't care who it is. Anyone who says that "tokens" in SDC are anything more than just outputs is either dumb or lying, as shown by the above excerpt from the SDC whitepaper.

Amusingly the response I got on the other thread for pointing that out was to be accused of faking the whitepaper LOL.

Well I think you misunderstood what I said smooth. What I was simply trying to say was what ryno said. That they chose anonymous tokens instead of "direct anonymous outputs to ring sigs" because they are building towards a certain direction. I accidentally left out the words "to ring sigs", when I mentioned it, which probably confused you.

Except that the above quoted phrase "outputs on the ShadowCash chain" is exactly "direct anonymous outputs to ring sigs" (ShadowCash chain outputs are spent using ring sigs).

It's a bunch of double talk imo.

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SNARKS aren't fully ready and trustless yet from what they have said so they are waiting for the tech to advance. They are striving for a goal of anonymity, and SNARKS look very promising, and could play a role in the future. There could be other solutions instead as well, and ryno said they are not limiting themselves to ideas. Hope that clears things up. I will be exiting this thread now. Please carry on, again we have same goal of anonymity and privacy. Its better to work with each other than against each other.

Thank you for the input here.

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No actually that is when you called P3RS3US AKA child_harold a dumb shit. Here is when you called me a dumb shit. I was just quoting our lead dev rynomster. So you basically called him a dumb shit too:

I don't care who it is. Anyone who says that "tokens" in SDC are anything more than just outputs is either dumb or lying, as shown by the above excerpt from the SDC whitepaper.

Amusingly the response I got on the other thread for pointing that out was to be accused of faking the whitepaper LOL.

Well I think you misunderstood what I said smooth. What I was simply trying to say was what ryno said. That they chose anonymous tokens instead of "direct anonymous outputs to ring sigs" because they are building towards a certain direction. I accidentally left out the words "to ring sigs", when I mentioned it, which probably confused you. SNARKS aren't fully ready and trustless yet from what they have said so they are waiting for the tech to advance. They are striving for a goal of anonymity, and SNARKS look very promising, and could play a role in the future. There could be other solutions instead as well, and ryno said they are not limiting themselves to ideas. Hope that clears things up. I will be exiting this thread now. Please carry on, again we have same goal of anonymity and privacy. Its better to work with each other than against each other.

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