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Topic: [XPM] Working on a GPU miner for Primecoin - page 27. (Read 102805 times)

legendary
Activity: 1065
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A GPU miner unreleased to the public will likely destroy the price of XPM. No one likes a coin being instamined by a small group.

For once, I agree with you. Nobody wants a small group of miners getting all the coins and driving the diff up, then dumping them on exchanges, destroying the price. That's one of the best ways to kill a coin, right there.

How is GPU mining any different than botnets targeting XPM? ASICS didn't destroy BTC, GPUs won't destroy XPM. We'll find out soon enough.

Over and over we see the same process, and over and over we see the same 'Chicken Little's running around and screaming about the sky falling at each step in the process.  It's just one of the cycles of nature.  Embrace it, smile, and mine on Wink


We're not saying a GPU miner is bad. We're saying having a GPU miner available to only a small group is bad.

Every innovation starts with a small group, or a single individual.


BS. The entire concept of cryptocurrency and open source is dependent on group effort and colaboration. If ONE person with a GPU mining cluster turns on 50 million PPS the coin dies.

One person with a GPU/cluster is the mining equivalent of a monopoly.  There's a reason regulatory agencies' sole purpose is to ensure non-monopolistic business practices in the private sector.  It's unfair both from a competitive standpoint as well as from an open source/p2p standpoint.  Was I thrilled about spending $6k for my 10mh GPU setup so to stay competitive with other miners, earlier this year? No, but I wanted to get involved with cryptocoins as more than just a hobby.  The technology and agorist motivations resonate with me.  The point is, the opportunity to expand into GPU mining was open, financial prerequisites notwithstanding.

It's not a monopoly if there is nothing stopping you or others from duplicating the effort yourself.  Anybody with sufficient technical expertise could do this if they chose to do so, and others will - regardless of what happens with this effort.  Even if there may be a short while where one party has a GPU miner, and no one else, that situation will only persist briefly until someone else with the necessary skill finds it worthwhile to make the effort to change that.


I can only assume you have never heard of a 51% attack or what happens when a coin forks. A single GPU cluster = 51% instantly. Have fun with that.

Why didn't that happen to bitcoin when the first GPU miner was created?  It sounds like you believe that the very existence of any crypto-coin is dependent on the technical elite being good people who are not greedy.  If you are right, there is no way any crypto-coin can last over time.  Better sell all you have right now.




History lesson time: BTC WAS FORKED! And if you take a look at the price/BTC for the first 2 years I bet you can figure out a few events.

Strangely enough, though, last time I looked, Bitcoin was still doing fine.  It survived all that.

newbie
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Prepare for a primecoin collapse. I'm selling all of my primecoins now. With everyone getting mass free coins and dumping them the value can only go down.

No if only 2x gain...
legendary
Activity: 1065
Merit: 1077
Schwede65 has no basis to declare there will be a single GPU cluster capable of 51% attacking the network. He's just doing what he only knows how to do, spreading FUD and attacking any coin he's not invested in... (if you don't believe me read through his last 100 posts here and see for yourself).

For all we know there could be GPU miners out there already. Lukejr and his friend seemed to imply they already have something working.

+1

This.
legendary
Activity: 1344
Merit: 1001
Schwede65 has no basis to declare there will be a single GPU cluster capable of 51% attacking the network. He's just doing what he only knows how to do, spreading FUD and attacking any coin he's not invested in... (if you don't believe me read through his last 100 posts here and see for yourself).

For all we know there could be GPU miners out there already. Lukejr and his friend seemed to imply they already have something working.
full member
Activity: 224
Merit: 100
A GPU miner unreleased to the public will likely destroy the price of XPM. No one likes a coin being instamined by a small group.

For once, I agree with you. Nobody wants a small group of miners getting all the coins and driving the diff up, then dumping them on exchanges, destroying the price. That's one of the best ways to kill a coin, right there.

How is GPU mining any different than botnets targeting XPM? ASICS didn't destroy BTC, GPUs won't destroy XPM. We'll find out soon enough.

Over and over we see the same process, and over and over we see the same 'Chicken Little's running around and screaming about the sky falling at each step in the process.  It's just one of the cycles of nature.  Embrace it, smile, and mine on Wink


We're not saying a GPU miner is bad. We're saying having a GPU miner available to only a small group is bad.

Every innovation starts with a small group, or a single individual.


BS. The entire concept of cryptocurrency and open source is dependent on group effort and colaboration. If ONE person with a GPU mining cluster turns on 50 million PPS the coin dies.

One person with a GPU/cluster is the mining equivalent of a monopoly.  There's a reason regulatory agencies' sole purpose is to ensure non-monopolistic business practices in the private sector.  It's unfair both from a competitive standpoint as well as from an open source/p2p standpoint.  Was I thrilled about spending $6k for my 10mh GPU setup so to stay competitive with other miners, earlier this year? No, but I wanted to get involved with cryptocoins as more than just a hobby.  The technology and agorist motivations resonate with me.  The point is, the opportunity to expand into GPU mining was open, financial prerequisites notwithstanding.

It's not a monopoly if there is nothing stopping you or others from duplicating the effort yourself.  Anybody with sufficient technical expertise could do this if they chose to do so, and others will - regardless of what happens with this effort.  Even if there may be a short while where one party has a GPU miner, and no one else, that situation will only persist briefly until someone else with the necessary skill finds it worthwhile to make the effort to change that.


I can only assume you have never heard of a 51% attack or what happens when a coin forks. A single GPU cluster = 51% instantly. Have fun with that.

Why didn't that happen to bitcoin when the first GPU miner was created?  It sounds like you believe that the very existence of any crypto-coin is dependent on the technical elite being good people who are not greedy.  If you are right, there is no way any crypto-coin can last over time.  Better sell all you have right now.




History lesson time: BTC WAS FORKED! And if you take a look at the price/BTC for the first 2 years I bet you can figure out a few events.
sr. member
Activity: 364
Merit: 250
A GPU miner unreleased to the public will likely destroy the price of XPM. No one likes a coin being instamined by a small group.

For once, I agree with you. Nobody wants a small group of miners getting all the coins and driving the diff up, then dumping them on exchanges, destroying the price. That's one of the best ways to kill a coin, right there.

How is GPU mining any different than botnets targeting XPM? ASICS didn't destroy BTC, GPUs won't destroy XPM. We'll find out soon enough.

Over and over we see the same process, and over and over we see the same 'Chicken Little's running around and screaming about the sky falling at each step in the process.  It's just one of the cycles of nature.  Embrace it, smile, and mine on Wink


We're not saying a GPU miner is bad. We're saying having a GPU miner available to only a small group is bad.

Every innovation starts with a small group, or a single individual.


BS. The entire concept of cryptocurrency and open source is dependent on group effort and colaboration. If ONE person with a GPU mining cluster turns on 50 million PPS the coin dies.

One person with a GPU/cluster is the mining equivalent of a monopoly.  There's a reason regulatory agencies' sole purpose is to ensure non-monopolistic business practices in the private sector.  It's unfair both from a competitive standpoint as well as from an open source/p2p standpoint.  Was I thrilled about spending $6k for my 10mh GPU setup so to stay competitive with other miners, earlier this year? No, but I wanted to get involved with cryptocoins as more than just a hobby.  The technology and agorist motivations resonate with me.  The point is, the opportunity to expand into GPU mining was open, financial prerequisites notwithstanding.

It's not a monopoly if there is nothing stopping you or others from duplicating the effort yourself.  Anybody with sufficient technical expertise could do this if they chose to do so, and others will - regardless of what happens with this effort.  Even if there may be a short while where one party has a GPU miner, and no one else, that situation will only persist briefly until someone else with the necessary skill finds it worthwhile to make the effort to change that.


The skill prerequisites you mention are analogical to the financial prerequisites I mentioned, so I agree with you to an extent.  But the thing is, when a regulatory agency convicts a firm of monopolistic practices, either the firm or one of, if not all, its products/services are broken up into a more competitive structure.  As of right now, I cannot spend the money to buy a Primecoin GPU miner because it's (presumably) being used privately by a small group of people.  This same group of people have pumped the price of XPM because, well, it is economically to their benefit, given they are the only ones with a GPU miner.  They'll make the pump funds used back with their GPU miner.  Or did you actually think people are investing in XPM because of all its great services?  Roll Eyes
legendary
Activity: 1065
Merit: 1077
A GPU miner unreleased to the public will likely destroy the price of XPM. No one likes a coin being instamined by a small group.

For once, I agree with you. Nobody wants a small group of miners getting all the coins and driving the diff up, then dumping them on exchanges, destroying the price. That's one of the best ways to kill a coin, right there.

How is GPU mining any different than botnets targeting XPM? ASICS didn't destroy BTC, GPUs won't destroy XPM. We'll find out soon enough.

Over and over we see the same process, and over and over we see the same 'Chicken Little's running around and screaming about the sky falling at each step in the process.  It's just one of the cycles of nature.  Embrace it, smile, and mine on Wink


We're not saying a GPU miner is bad. We're saying having a GPU miner available to only a small group is bad.

Every innovation starts with a small group, or a single individual.


BS. The entire concept of cryptocurrency and open source is dependent on group effort and colaboration. If ONE person with a GPU mining cluster turns on 50 million PPS the coin dies.

One person with a GPU/cluster is the mining equivalent of a monopoly.  There's a reason regulatory agencies' sole purpose is to ensure non-monopolistic business practices in the private sector.  It's unfair both from a competitive standpoint as well as from an open source/p2p standpoint.  Was I thrilled about spending $6k for my 10mh GPU setup so to stay competitive with other miners, earlier this year? No, but I wanted to get involved with cryptocoins as more than just a hobby.  The technology and agorist motivations resonate with me.  The point is, the opportunity to expand into GPU mining was open, financial prerequisites notwithstanding.

It's not a monopoly if there is nothing stopping you or others from duplicating the effort yourself.  Anybody with sufficient technical expertise could do this if they chose to do so, and others will - regardless of what happens with this effort.  Even if there may be a short while where one party has a GPU miner, and no one else, that situation will only persist briefly until someone else with the necessary skill finds it worthwhile to make the effort to change that.


I can only assume you have never heard of a 51% attack or what happens when a coin forks. A single GPU cluster = 51% instantly. Have fun with that.

Why didn't that happen to bitcoin when the first GPU miner was created?  It sounds like you believe that the very existence of any crypto-coin is dependent on the technical elite being good people who are not greedy.  If you are right, there is no way any crypto-coin can last over time.  Better sell all you have right now.


member
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How fast is the miner going to be?

It is very difficult to say at this point. Some people have/had a bounty for a CUDA miner that is twice the speed of the CPU miner. I think that's definitely achievable.


about what speed are we talking?

please give us a more concrete example: what can a HD6990 do or a HD 5850 or a HD 7950 - in PPS please...
round-about-numbers...

I will have numbers in a few days. I don't want to make baseless claims.
full member
Activity: 224
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A GPU miner unreleased to the public will likely destroy the price of XPM. No one likes a coin being instamined by a small group.

For once, I agree with you. Nobody wants a small group of miners getting all the coins and driving the diff up, then dumping them on exchanges, destroying the price. That's one of the best ways to kill a coin, right there.

How is GPU mining any different than botnets targeting XPM? ASICS didn't destroy BTC, GPUs won't destroy XPM. We'll find out soon enough.

Over and over we see the same process, and over and over we see the same 'Chicken Little's running around and screaming about the sky falling at each step in the process.  It's just one of the cycles of nature.  Embrace it, smile, and mine on Wink


We're not saying a GPU miner is bad. We're saying having a GPU miner available to only a small group is bad.

Every innovation starts with a small group, or a single individual.


BS. The entire concept of cryptocurrency and open source is dependent on group effort and colaboration. If ONE person with a GPU mining cluster turns on 50 million PPS the coin dies.

One person with a GPU/cluster is the mining equivalent of a monopoly.  There's a reason regulatory agencies' sole purpose is to ensure non-monopolistic business practices in the private sector.  It's unfair both from a competitive standpoint as well as from an open source/p2p standpoint.  Was I thrilled about spending $6k for my 10mh GPU setup so to stay competitive with other miners, earlier this year? No, but I wanted to get involved with cryptocoins as more than just a hobby.  The technology and agorist motivations resonate with me.  The point is, the opportunity to expand into GPU mining was open, financial prerequisites notwithstanding.

It's not a monopoly if there is nothing stopping you or others from duplicating the effort yourself.  Anybody with sufficient technical expertise could do this if they chose to do so, and others will - regardless of what happens with this effort.  Even if there may be a short while where one party has a GPU miner, and no one else, that situation will only persist briefly until someone else with the necessary skill finds it worthwhile to make the effort to change that.


I can only assume you have never heard of a 51% attack or what happens when a coin forks. A single GPU cluster = 51% instantly. Have fun with that.
member
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It was only the wind.
A GPU miner unreleased to the public will likely destroy the price of XPM. No one likes a coin being instamined by a small group.

For once, I agree with you. Nobody wants a small group of miners getting all the coins and driving the diff up, then dumping them on exchanges, destroying the price. That's one of the best ways to kill a coin, right there.

How is GPU mining any different than botnets targeting XPM? ASICS didn't destroy BTC, GPUs won't destroy XPM. We'll find out soon enough.

Over and over we see the same process, and over and over we see the same 'Chicken Little's running around and screaming about the sky falling at each step in the process.  It's just one of the cycles of nature.  Embrace it, smile, and mine on Wink


We're not saying a GPU miner is bad. We're saying having a GPU miner available to only a small group is bad.

Every innovation starts with a small group, or a single individual.


BS. The entire concept of cryptocurrency and open source is dependent on group effort and colaboration. If ONE person with a GPU mining cluster turns on 50 million PPS the coin dies.



Dude, you haven't even been around long enough to witness much. You registered in June, and now you're an expert on what's good for a coin?
legendary
Activity: 1065
Merit: 1077
A GPU miner unreleased to the public will likely destroy the price of XPM. No one likes a coin being instamined by a small group.

For once, I agree with you. Nobody wants a small group of miners getting all the coins and driving the diff up, then dumping them on exchanges, destroying the price. That's one of the best ways to kill a coin, right there.

How is GPU mining any different than botnets targeting XPM? ASICS didn't destroy BTC, GPUs won't destroy XPM. We'll find out soon enough.

Over and over we see the same process, and over and over we see the same 'Chicken Little's running around and screaming about the sky falling at each step in the process.  It's just one of the cycles of nature.  Embrace it, smile, and mine on Wink


We're not saying a GPU miner is bad. We're saying having a GPU miner available to only a small group is bad.

Every innovation starts with a small group, or a single individual.


BS. The entire concept of cryptocurrency and open source is dependent on group effort and colaboration. If ONE person with a GPU mining cluster turns on 50 million PPS the coin dies.

One person with a GPU/cluster is the mining equivalent of a monopoly.  There's a reason regulatory agencies' sole purpose is to ensure non-monopolistic business practices in the private sector.  It's unfair both from a competitive standpoint as well as from an open source/p2p standpoint.  Was I thrilled about spending $6k for my 10mh GPU setup so to stay competitive with other miners, earlier this year? No, but I wanted to get involved with cryptocoins as more than just a hobby.  The technology and agorist motivations resonate with me.  The point is, the opportunity to expand into GPU mining was open, financial prerequisites notwithstanding.

It's not a monopoly if there is nothing stopping you or others from duplicating the effort yourself.  Anybody with sufficient technical expertise could do this if they chose to do so, and others will - regardless of what happens with this effort.  Even if there may be a short while where one party has a GPU miner, and no one else, that situation will only persist briefly until someone else with the necessary skill finds it worthwhile to make the effort to change that.
sr. member
Activity: 364
Merit: 250
A GPU miner unreleased to the public will likely destroy the price of XPM. No one likes a coin being instamined by a small group.

For once, I agree with you. Nobody wants a small group of miners getting all the coins and driving the diff up, then dumping them on exchanges, destroying the price. That's one of the best ways to kill a coin, right there.

How is GPU mining any different than botnets targeting XPM? ASICS didn't destroy BTC, GPUs won't destroy XPM. We'll find out soon enough.

Over and over we see the same process, and over and over we see the same 'Chicken Little's running around and screaming about the sky falling at each step in the process.  It's just one of the cycles of nature.  Embrace it, smile, and mine on Wink


We're not saying a GPU miner is bad. We're saying having a GPU miner available to only a small group is bad.

Every innovation starts with a small group, or a single individual.


BS. The entire concept of cryptocurrency and open source is dependent on group effort and colaboration. If ONE person with a GPU mining cluster turns on 50 million PPS the coin dies.

One person with a GPU/cluster is the mining equivalent of a monopoly.  There's a reason regulatory agencies' sole purpose is to ensure non-monopolistic business practices in the private sector.  It's unfair both from a competitive standpoint as well as from an open source/p2p standpoint.  Was I thrilled about spending $6k for my 10mh GPU setup so to stay competitive with other miners, earlier this year? No, but I wanted to get involved with cryptocoins as more than just a hobby.  The technology and agorist motivations resonate with me.  The point is, the opportunity to expand into GPU mining was open, financial prerequisites notwithstanding.
legendary
Activity: 1065
Merit: 1077
A GPU miner unreleased to the public will likely destroy the price of XPM. No one likes a coin being instamined by a small group.

For once, I agree with you. Nobody wants a small group of miners getting all the coins and driving the diff up, then dumping them on exchanges, destroying the price. That's one of the best ways to kill a coin, right there.

How is GPU mining any different than botnets targeting XPM? ASICS didn't destroy BTC, GPUs won't destroy XPM. We'll find out soon enough.

Over and over we see the same process, and over and over we see the same 'Chicken Little's running around and screaming about the sky falling at each step in the process.  It's just one of the cycles of nature.  Embrace it, smile, and mine on Wink


We're not saying a GPU miner is bad. We're saying having a GPU miner available to only a small group is bad.

Every innovation starts with a small group, or a single individual.


BS. The entire concept of cryptocurrency and open source is dependent on group effort and colaboration. If ONE person with a GPU mining cluster turns on 50 million PPS the coin dies.



Dude, you haven't even been around long enough to witness much. You registered in June, and now you're an expert on what's good for a coin?

I wasn't in Rome when when Caesar was killed, but somehow I know about it.  Go figure.

I don't claim to be an expert on crypto-coins, but as I have already pointed out, all this whining is old history.  You can study up on it too, if you make the effort.


legendary
Activity: 1065
Merit: 1077
A GPU miner unreleased to the public will likely destroy the price of XPM. No one likes a coin being instamined by a small group.

For once, I agree with you. Nobody wants a small group of miners getting all the coins and driving the diff up, then dumping them on exchanges, destroying the price. That's one of the best ways to kill a coin, right there.

How is GPU mining any different than botnets targeting XPM? ASICS didn't destroy BTC, GPUs won't destroy XPM. We'll find out soon enough.

Over and over we see the same process, and over and over we see the same 'Chicken Little's running around and screaming about the sky falling at each step in the process.  It's just one of the cycles of nature.  Embrace it, smile, and mine on Wink


We're not saying a GPU miner is bad. We're saying having a GPU miner available to only a small group is bad.

Every innovation starts with a small group, or a single individual.


BS. The entire concept of cryptocurrency and open source is dependent on group effort and colaboration. If ONE person with a GPU mining cluster turns on 50 million PPS the coin dies.

hero member
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I think the guys over on irc #eligius-prime are also looking or working towards gpu miner with BFGminer..
full member
Activity: 224
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A GPU miner unreleased to the public will likely destroy the price of XPM. No one likes a coin being instamined by a small group.

For once, I agree with you. Nobody wants a small group of miners getting all the coins and driving the diff up, then dumping them on exchanges, destroying the price. That's one of the best ways to kill a coin, right there.

How is GPU mining any different than botnets targeting XPM? ASICS didn't destroy BTC, GPUs won't destroy XPM. We'll find out soon enough.

Over and over we see the same process, and over and over we see the same 'Chicken Little's running around and screaming about the sky falling at each step in the process.  It's just one of the cycles of nature.  Embrace it, smile, and mine on Wink


We're not saying a GPU miner is bad. We're saying having a GPU miner available to only a small group is bad.

Every innovation starts with a small group, or a single individual.


BS. The entire concept of cryptocurrency and open source is dependent on group effort and colaboration. If ONE person with a GPU mining cluster turns on 50 million PPS the coin dies.
member
Activity: 81
Merit: 1002
It was only the wind.
A GPU miner unreleased to the public will likely destroy the price of XPM. No one likes a coin being instamined by a small group.

For once, I agree with you. Nobody wants a small group of miners getting all the coins and driving the diff up, then dumping them on exchanges, destroying the price. That's one of the best ways to kill a coin, right there.

How is GPU mining any different than botnets targeting XPM? ASICS didn't destroy BTC, GPUs won't destroy XPM. We'll find out soon enough.

Over and over we see the same process, and over and over we see the same 'Chicken Little's running around and screaming about the sky falling at each step in the process.  It's just one of the cycles of nature.  Embrace it, smile, and mine on Wink


We're not saying a GPU miner is bad. We're saying having a GPU miner available to only a small group is bad.
sr. member
Activity: 406
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Prepare for a primecoin collapse. I'm selling all of my primecoins now. With everyone getting mass free coins and dumping them the value can only go down.
legendary
Activity: 1065
Merit: 1077
A GPU miner unreleased to the public will likely destroy the price of XPM. No one likes a coin being instamined by a small group.

For once, I agree with you. Nobody wants a small group of miners getting all the coins and driving the diff up, then dumping them on exchanges, destroying the price. That's one of the best ways to kill a coin, right there.

How is GPU mining any different than botnets targeting XPM? ASICS didn't destroy BTC, GPUs won't destroy XPM. We'll find out soon enough.

Over and over we see the same process, and over and over we see the same 'Chicken Little's running around and screaming about the sky falling at each step in the process.  It's just one of the cycles of nature.  Embrace it, smile, and mine on Wink


We're not saying a GPU miner is bad. We're saying having a GPU miner available to only a small group is bad.

Every innovation starts with a small group, or a single individual.
full member
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Merit: 100
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How will you be distributing the software?  Linux/Windows binaries and source?  Secondly, we will be in the beta as long as we send BTC by the 25th?
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