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legendary
Activity: 1764
Merit: 1002
December 20, 2012, 12:27:03 AM
Longer term price will go higher. Just right now IMHO with all the bullshit going on with major btc services and vendors (also recent fails with BTCST and GLBSE)....and the late availability of the newly anticipated ASIC hardware (BFL fail). I can see many getting tired of the tons of bullshit surrounding the bitcoin economy right now. People have bills to pay and costs to recoup on hardware expenses etc.

that was the last few months after the 15.50 dump. Post wordpress (to some degree block halving) is def the largest factor in the market right now

Dont be too sure that the debacles of the past few months are "done" affecting the market. BFL is holding millions in customer funds for a product that does not exist...

Even if BFL takes all of their money (which is not going to happen anyway), I fail to see why that would be an issue for the price. People would lose the fiat/ coins that they put into it, but would just continue with the existing rigs.

or if they get their money returned they then plow it directly into Bitcoin.  remember, these are bulls essentially.

I'm curious how many paid in BTC. Now that is less BTC available on the market. That's just the other side of the coin. Recouping costs of $30k per mini rig is going to be #1 priority once people get their ASICS...i mean IF.

BY FAR most paid with cc.  Tom, i believe, said over 90-95% of his orders were with cc.  i know i paid with cc purposely so as to have a 60 d window with which to dispute in case of a problem.  i estimated over $2M orders for asic's had been placed that is locked up in preorders.  that's all bull money.

It is not all bull money.

It's all money "invested" hoping to turn a profit. No one cares which way the price goes....as long as they can profit from it.

It is all PROFIT-chasing money.

that's not true.  you and i are both miners, right?  if someone asked us if we would rather see the price of Bitcoin rise or fall while we were mining and irrespective of whether or not we are sellers of Bitcoin immediately upon being mined or are hoarders of Bitcoin after they are mined, what would our answers be?

we would/should say that we would rather see the price rise during the mining since that would guarantee us the "profits" you speak of.  a falling price would disrupt those profits.
legendary
Activity: 2492
Merit: 1473
LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper
December 19, 2012, 11:34:11 PM
Longer term price will go higher. Just right now IMHO with all the bullshit going on with major btc services and vendors (also recent fails with BTCST and GLBSE)....and the late availability of the newly anticipated ASIC hardware (BFL fail). I can see many getting tired of the tons of bullshit surrounding the bitcoin economy right now. People have bills to pay and costs to recoup on hardware expenses etc.

that was the last few months after the 15.50 dump. Post wordpress (to some degree block halving) is def the largest factor in the market right now

Dont be too sure that the debacles of the past few months are "done" affecting the market. BFL is holding millions in customer funds for a product that does not exist...

Even if BFL takes all of their money (which is not going to happen anyway), I fail to see why that would be an issue for the price. People would lose the fiat/ coins that they put into it, but would just continue with the existing rigs.

or if they get their money returned they then plow it directly into Bitcoin.  remember, these are bulls essentially.

I'm curious how many paid in BTC. Now that is less BTC available on the market. That's just the other side of the coin. Recouping costs of $30k per mini rig is going to be #1 priority once people get their ASICS...i mean IF.

BY FAR most paid with cc.  Tom, i believe, said over 90-95% of his orders were with cc.  i know i paid with cc purposely so as to have a 60 d window with which to dispute in case of a problem.  i estimated over $2M orders for asic's had been placed that is locked up in preorders.  that's all bull money.

It is not all bull money.

It's all money "invested" hoping to turn a profit. No one cares which way the price goes....as long as they can profit from it.

It is all PROFIT-chasing money.
legendary
Activity: 1764
Merit: 1002
December 19, 2012, 11:25:40 PM
Longer term price will go higher. Just right now IMHO with all the bullshit going on with major btc services and vendors (also recent fails with BTCST and GLBSE)....and the late availability of the newly anticipated ASIC hardware (BFL fail). I can see many getting tired of the tons of bullshit surrounding the bitcoin economy right now. People have bills to pay and costs to recoup on hardware expenses etc.

that was the last few months after the 15.50 dump. Post wordpress (to some degree block halving) is def the largest factor in the market right now

Dont be too sure that the debacles of the past few months are "done" affecting the market. BFL is holding millions in customer funds for a product that does not exist...

Even if BFL takes all of their money (which is not going to happen anyway), I fail to see why that would be an issue for the price. People would lose the fiat/ coins that they put into it, but would just continue with the existing rigs.

or if they get their money returned they then plow it directly into Bitcoin.  remember, these are bulls essentially.

I'm curious how many paid in BTC. Now that is less BTC available on the market. That's just the other side of the coin. Recouping costs of $30k per mini rig is going to be #1 priority once people get their ASICS...i mean IF.

BY FAR most paid with cc.  Tom, i believe, said over 90-95% of his orders were with cc.  i know i paid with cc purposely so as to have a 60 d window with which to dispute in case of a problem.  i estimated over $2M orders for asic's had been placed that is locked up in preorders.  that's all bull money.
legendary
Activity: 2492
Merit: 1473
LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper
December 19, 2012, 11:12:09 PM
Longer term price will go higher. Just right now IMHO with all the bullshit going on with major btc services and vendors (also recent fails with BTCST and GLBSE)....and the late availability of the newly anticipated ASIC hardware (BFL fail). I can see many getting tired of the tons of bullshit surrounding the bitcoin economy right now. People have bills to pay and costs to recoup on hardware expenses etc.

that was the last few months after the 15.50 dump. Post wordpress (to some degree block halving) is def the largest factor in the market right now

Dont be too sure that the debacles of the past few months are "done" affecting the market. BFL is holding millions in customer funds for a product that does not exist...

Even if BFL takes all of their money (which is not going to happen anyway), I fail to see why that would be an issue for the price. People would lose the fiat/ coins that they put into it, but would just continue with the existing rigs.

or if they get their money returned they then plow it directly into Bitcoin.  remember, these are bulls essentially.

I'm curious how many paid in BTC. Now that is less BTC available on the market. That's just the other side of the coin. Recouping costs of $30k per mini rig is going to be #1 priority once people get their ASICS...i mean IF.
legendary
Activity: 1764
Merit: 1002
December 19, 2012, 10:51:44 PM
Longer term price will go higher. Just right now IMHO with all the bullshit going on with major btc services and vendors (also recent fails with BTCST and GLBSE)....and the late availability of the newly anticipated ASIC hardware (BFL fail). I can see many getting tired of the tons of bullshit surrounding the bitcoin economy right now. People have bills to pay and costs to recoup on hardware expenses etc.

that was the last few months after the 15.50 dump. Post wordpress (to some degree block halving) is def the largest factor in the market right now

Dont be too sure that the debacles of the past few months are "done" affecting the market. BFL is holding millions in customer funds for a product that does not exist...

Even if BFL takes all of their money (which is not going to happen anyway), I fail to see why that would be an issue for the price. People would lose the fiat/ coins that they put into it, but would just continue with the existing rigs.

or if they get their money returned they then plow it directly into Bitcoin.  remember, these are bulls essentially.
legendary
Activity: 1288
Merit: 1000
Enabling the maximal migration
December 19, 2012, 10:40:06 PM
Longer term price will go higher. Just right now IMHO with all the bullshit going on with major btc services and vendors (also recent fails with BTCST and GLBSE)....and the late availability of the newly anticipated ASIC hardware (BFL fail). I can see many getting tired of the tons of bullshit surrounding the bitcoin economy right now. People have bills to pay and costs to recoup on hardware expenses etc.

that was the last few months after the 15.50 dump. Post wordpress (to some degree block halving) is def the largest factor in the market right now

Dont be too sure that the debacles of the past few months are "done" affecting the market. BFL is holding millions in customer funds for a product that does not exist...

Even if BFL takes all of their money (which is not going to happen anyway), I fail to see why that would be an issue for the price. People would lose the fiat/ coins that they put into it, but would just continue with the existing rigs.
legendary
Activity: 2492
Merit: 1473
LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper
December 19, 2012, 08:51:39 PM
Longer term price will go higher. Just right now IMHO with all the bullshit going on with major btc services and vendors (also recent fails with BTCST and GLBSE)....and the late availability of the newly anticipated ASIC hardware (BFL fail). I can see many getting tired of the tons of bullshit surrounding the bitcoin economy right now. People have bills to pay and costs to recoup on hardware expenses etc.

that was the last few months after the 15.50 dump. Post wordpress (to some degree block halving) is def the largest factor in the market right now

Dont be too sure that the debacles of the past few months are "done" affecting the market. BFL is holding millions in customer funds for a product that does not exist...
legendary
Activity: 1288
Merit: 1000
Enabling the maximal migration
December 19, 2012, 08:48:50 PM
Longer term price will go higher. Just right now IMHO with all the bullshit going on with major btc services and vendors (also recent fails with BTCST and GLBSE)....and the late availability of the newly anticipated ASIC hardware (BFL fail). I can see many getting tired of the tons of bullshit surrounding the bitcoin economy right now. People have bills to pay and costs to recoup on hardware expenses etc.

that was the last few months after the 15.50 dump. Post wordpress (to some degree block halving) is def the largest factor in the market right now
legendary
Activity: 1288
Merit: 1000
Enabling the maximal migration
December 19, 2012, 08:44:59 PM
Bulls make money, bears get left behind. But pigs... Pigs just get slaughtered

Fixed that for you
Grin

/patting myself on the back
legendary
Activity: 2492
Merit: 1473
LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper
December 19, 2012, 08:43:15 PM
Longer term price will go higher. Just right now IMHO with all the bullshit going on with major btc services and vendors (also recent fails with BTCST and GLBSE)....and the late availability of the newly anticipated ASIC hardware (BFL fail). I can see many getting tired of the tons of bullshit surrounding the bitcoin economy right now. People have bills to pay and costs to recoup on hardware expenses etc.
legendary
Activity: 2198
Merit: 1311
December 19, 2012, 08:41:19 PM
Someone would only cover if they truly believed the price would never come down to $13.00 in the next few months.

Seems like a pretty sure bet to me that the price will come down to $13.00 in the next few months.
legendary
Activity: 1904
Merit: 1037
Trusted Bitcoiner
December 19, 2012, 08:34:10 PM
Someone would only cover if they truly believed the price would never come down to $13.00 in the next few months.

right, but some might ride this rally and then short again. who knows.
legendary
Activity: 2492
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LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper
December 19, 2012, 08:28:21 PM
Someone would only cover if they truly believed the price would never come down to $13.00 in the next few months.
legendary
Activity: 1764
Merit: 1002
December 19, 2012, 08:04:19 PM
Hey lucif, did you cover yet?  Wink
sr. member
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Clown prophet
December 19, 2012, 05:39:31 PM
hey hey. enough pgp in public.
legendary
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chaos is fun...…damental :)
December 19, 2012, 05:34:49 PM
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Clown prophet
December 19, 2012, 05:30:03 PM
myself,
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 Grin Grin Grin
legendary
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Clown prophet
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Clown prophet
December 19, 2012, 04:46:27 PM
For both moves timeframe for escape from d.sma10/20 is 0-3 daily candles.

For downmove timeframe 1-3 candles after escape.
On track.
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