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Quote from: Rikafip on May 27, 2023, 05:08:50 AM

Quote from: Eternad on May 27, 2023, 04:45:53 AM

This is cool because the funds will be directly deducted directly from the ledger balance.

Someone will correct me if i am wrong, but I don't think that crypto will be deducted directly from your Ledger but instead you will have to transfer it to ledger card first, meaning that crypto is not in your custody anymore.

Thanks for the correction, The front description makes me overlook about that it’s direct transfer from Ledger but it turns out to be ledger live. I just read full description and it turns out that it needs to be top-up via ledger live.

Quote from: Rikafip on May 27, 2023, 01:36:00 PM

Quote from: OmegaStarScream on May 27, 2023, 05:14:31 AM

Correct. You can do everything from the ledger live app, but you still have to top up your balance.

And Ledger Live is buggy as hell and probably the worst thing about the Ledger. Well, at least it was before all that drama about recovery thing.

I personally stopped using Ledger Live app few years ago and now using Electrum instead.

I thought that the problem is with my computer. My balance doesn’t sync even though ledger live recorded already the blockchain transaction on history. All thing is messy too when I try to connect my new ledger to the ledger live since it still detects my old device account despite I already reset it.

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unbanked.com is shutting down.

https://unbanked.com/unbanked-will-be-winding-down/

Not sure how many people here were using their service. But I know not everybody has gotten the official e-mail about them shutting down yet. I got one, but two other people who have accounts there did not. Could be they're sending the emails out in batches or they might have gotten eaten by a spam filter someplace.

I don't know if their card was mentioned on this thread at all but I figured it's good to put this information out there.

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Quote from: Eternad on May 27, 2023, 04:45:53 AM

I'm not sure if this card was already suggested here but I just notice that Ledger offers CL crypto cards for Ledger Wallet owners when I browse the Ledger Live. This card is available worldwide with 2% cashback every month. This is cool because the funds will be directly deducted directly from the ledger balance.

People have to be crazy to apply for this ledger cards especially in combination with their upcoming (now paused) Recovery feature.

For people who are interested in Bitcoin cashback there are much better options and some of them are even kyc-free, like virtual cards from The Bitcoin Company.
There are Intenational and US only type of VISA cards with 2.5% reward, and they have a bunch of other gift cards with better rewards:
https://thebitcoincompany.com/

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Quote from: OmegaStarScream on May 27, 2023, 05:14:31 AM

Correct. You can do everything from the ledger live app, but you still have to top up your balance.

And Ledger Live is buggy as hell and probably the worst thing about the Ledger. Well, at least it was before all that drama about recovery thing.

I personally stopped using Ledger Live app few years ago and now using Electrum instead.

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Quote from: Rikafip on May 27, 2023, 05:08:50 AM

Someone will correct me if i am wrong, but I don't think that crypto will be deducted directly from your Ledger but instead you will have to transfer it to ledger card first, meaning that crypto is not in your custody anymore.

Correct. You can do everything from the ledger live app, but you still have to top up your balance.

Quote from: https://www.ledger.com/cl-card

03. Top up the CL Card account securely with crypto using your Ledger wallet

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Quote from: Eternad on May 27, 2023, 04:45:53 AM

I'm not sure if this card was already suggested here but I just notice that Ledger offers CL crypto cards for Ledger Wallet owners when I browse the Ledger Live. This card is available worldwide with 2% cashback every month.

Yeat it has been mentioned like six months ago.

Quote from: Eternad on May 27, 2023, 04:45:53 AM

This is cool because the funds will be directly deducted directly from the ledger balance.

Someone will correct me if i am wrong, but I don't think that crypto will be deducted directly from your Ledger but instead you will have to transfer it to ledger card first, meaning that crypto is not in your custody anymore.

Quote from: Eternad on May 27, 2023, 04:45:53 AM

Also, If this will not trouble you, Adding the benefits of the cards on the list such as rebates percentage will be very helpful to choose a better crypto card.

Maybe you should have mentioned more details about it, like what's exactly neede to get up to 2% cashback etc.

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I'm not sure if this card was already suggested here but I just notice that Ledger offers CL crypto cards for Ledger Wallet owners when I browse the Ledger Live. This card is available worldwide with 2% cashback every month. This is cool because the funds will be directly deducted directly from the ledger balance.

https://www.ledger.com/cl-card

Also, If this will not trouble you, Adding the benefits of the cards on the list such as rebates percentage will be very helpful to choose a better crypto card.

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Quote from: OmegaStarScream on May 19, 2023, 04:45:17 AM

Bitpay is temporarily pausing its MasterCard and is planning to relaunch its program by the end of the year with another banking partner[1].

For the current cardholders, you have until 15 of June before the card becomes inactive.

[1] https://twitter.com/BitPay/status/1659231785832546316

They already had their other partner before Metropolitan Commercial Bank that did Visa that was shutdown. This was the relaunch. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitpay-card-disappeared-from-app-5253104
So this new one will be #3
Wonder what the reasoning is.
However, with the Gemini CREDIT card you do get some nice perks. And with the Coinbase Visa Debit you also got cash back (well crypto back) with the BitPay you got nothing. So I can see this bing a point of contention between them. Because, lets face it. If you are going to pull a crypto card out of you wallet are you going to go with the 3% back or the 0% back.....

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Bitpay is temporarily pausing its MasterCard and is planning to relaunch its program by the end of the year with another banking partner[1].

For the current cardholders, you have until 15 of June before the card becomes inactive.

[1] https://twitter.com/BitPay/status/1659231785832546316

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Quote from: jack05 on April 14, 2023, 05:34:09 PM

Fee is not small, because with a top-up for about $51.50 (BTC) to the card, there is about $42 left to spend.
Costs of anonymity Wink

Fees are a bit different from last time I checked, but they are not that bad.
Good thing I heard for this cards is that they even work for Paypal, but I can't confirm this myself.
It's important to know that nobody should use this cards to purchase any cryptocurrencies or gift cards with it, as stated in their terms this can result in your card being declined or flagged for potential fraud.
I don't know why anyone would buy crypto with this cards, but better to read clearly before purchasing them.

There is much better alternative CoinDebit that has lower fees, but sadly they currently work only in United States Tongue

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Quote from: LeGaulois on April 14, 2023, 06:29:52 PM

Quote from: jack05 on April 14, 2023, 05:34:09 PM

The phone number is only needed if you want to add the card to google pay and alike. (And it needs to be USA/CA based)

About the high fees, yep It may seem costly since you paid ~20% but that's because it includes the cost of the card ($6). Next time you refill it, you pay $3 balance refill action + 3.5% reload fee+ $2 monthly maintenance fee
Let's say the next time you spend 100$, you will get ~90$. It's a lot cheaper with 10%

And don't forget since the card is in USD, if you pay in a shop using another currency, you will have to pay the visa/mastercard fees (I'm talking about the FX fees)

The problem to me is since I'm european and we have 3DS here, the cards are not compatible
europe scam 😭😭😭

Yes, I also agree with you. However, it is a virtual card, so it can be used not for payments only in euros, but for example, to buy domains for $ (or I didn't get your point)
Looking at the percentage fee, the perspective can also be different when we use a larger amount:
I haven't calculated it exactly, but I expect that if you fill card for $500 (not $50 like I did), the percentage cost will come out not 20%, but probably less than 5% (more / less)
Still good enough for anonymity Wink

EDIT:
Unless you mean that in Europe such cards are no longer (theoretically) available ... That's true ... Europe regulates it strongly.
Now the question is - is it good or bad ... for us? for the future of crypto?

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Quote from: jack05 on April 14, 2023, 05:34:09 PM

The phone number is only needed if you want to add the card to google pay and alike. (And it needs to be USA/CA based)

About the high fees, yep It may seem costly since you paid ~20% but that's because it includes the cost of the card ($6). Next time you refill it, you pay $3 balance refill action + 3.5% reload fee+ $2 monthly maintenance fee
Let's say the next time you spend 100$, you will get ~90$. It's a lot cheaper with 10%

And don't forget since the card is in USD, if you pay in a shop using another currency, you will have to pay the visa/mastercard fees (I'm talking about the FX fees)

The problem to me is since I'm european and we have 3DS here, the cards are not compatible
europe scam 😭😭😭

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Quote from: HostFat on April 14, 2023, 04:34:25 AM

Quote from: jack05 on April 13, 2023, 08:10:49 AM

When I tried to fill a card, it asked me for exact details. Are you sure KYC is not required or maybe they changed rules?

What you write isn't verified with documents, you still need to use an us/ca phone number to even enable google pay.

Sorry, you're right.
The declared data is not checked in any way. (I mean no documents, so no KYC in practice)
Phone number was not verified by them Wink

Card works - I made my first purchase with it.

Fee is not small, because with a top-up for about $51.50 (BTC) to the card, there is about $42 left to spend.
Costs of anonymity Wink

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Quote from: jack05 on April 13, 2023, 08:10:49 AM

When I tried to fill a card, it asked me for exact details. Are you sure KYC is not required or maybe they changed rules?

What you write isn't verified with documents, you still need to use an us/ca phone number to even enable google pay.

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Hello,

It's getting more and more unlikely these days, but I'd like to ask if there's any ANONYMOUS crypto virtual debit card to pay online?

A few years ago, there were far less cards on a similar list, but almost all of them offered anonymous option. Now with so many cards out there, I can't find a single one that offers that. Sad

Quote from: HostFat on January 11, 2023, 03:23:38 PM

https://fcfpay.com/prepaid-crypto-debit-cards/

No KYC
From $50 to $5000
Fee: nearly 4.1% at the creation
It is reloadable.

When I tried to fill a card, it asked me for exact details. Are you sure KYC is not required or maybe they changed rules?

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I think that maskex is using https://www.hyperpay.tech/card/?lang=en cards.

EDIT:
I see that both maskex and hyperpay are using https://customer.railone.io services.

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Foldapp just announced the expansion of its partnership with Visa to support more countries:

Quote from: https://www.coindesk.com/business/2023/03/30/visa-and-bitcoin-rewards-app-fold-expand-partnership-to-new-regions/

Bitcoin (BTC) rewards app Fold and Visa (V) have expanded their ongoing partnership. The U.S. payments giant will now serve as the exclusive network partner for Fold's prepaid debit and credit products in North America, Europe and Latin America, and the Caribbean, Fold said Thursday.

I also reached out to MaskEX (keep in mind that it's a new platform) and they said that the card is available everywhere with the exception of Iran, North Korea, and Myanmar. More about the card and its fees:

https://maskex.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/9660895355421-MaskEX-Card-Holder-Agreement

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Here's another card[1] I found from a Blockworks article[2]. It's a physical card, and it's currently only available for Mexicans.

[1] https://bitso.com/co/landing/card
[2] https://blockworks.co/news/mastercard-visa-crypto-debit-cards

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Quote from: SFR10 on March 10, 2023, 03:40:27 AM

By spending 1 Euro, you'll get a single point and there's a limit of 12,500 points for each month ^{[refer to the "latter part of this" page]}.

And they are probably going to convert those points in some worthless tokens, and since their rewards market is work in progress they say it's going to be able to exchange that points for their merchandise and items.
So customers spending money with their cards will be able to buy ''exclusive'' bybit hats and t-shirts... .. what a joke Cheesy

I would seriously be very careful using any cards that are connected with centralized exchanges.

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Quote from: HostFat on March 09, 2023, 11:53:03 AM

Even Kucoin
https://www.kucoin.com/kucard

Iirc they announced their debit card almost a year ago but I don't know anyone using it though as people (at least the ones around me) primarily use Kucoin for their no (mandatory) KYC feature.

Quote from: SFR10 on March 10, 2023, 03:40:27 AM

It seems that instead of rewarding their users through a cashback system, they're going to launch a loyalty program to give merch from their "own" rewards shop ^{[launching in April]}:

Meh that sucks, who cares about their merchandise when others offer cashback. It's not like I would use them even if they offered 3-4% cashback, but still I don't think that's the best way to attract new users since competition is tough and you really have to offer something good to make people use you instead Coinbase/Binance/Crypto.com.

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