Topic: #1 RATINGS and REVIEWS of SPORTS BOOKS thread. Poster input appreciated. - page 10. (Read 89572 times)

Anonibet - 2

Be careful of the one and two man shops. The book either gets a bigger staff in a fairly short period of time and survives or goes under like the other one man shops such as Stakebet, Bit365 and Bitbook.

You make a good point in that these one man shops should not be rated with the professional shops.

Players - Is anyone playing with BetVIP? They have met the time requirement for an upgrade but feedback is definitely wanted before making any upgrades.

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Their World Cup markets are still up and they have literally 2 sports, looks like a one-man job. These kind of operations should have no place competing with the professional sportsbooks out there today.

Thank you. That's appreciated.

FYI Peeps xbet is plagued by shill accounts - check out his post history; there's about 3 of them (that I've seen) crawling around the forum, last time I checked out xbet their site was down so I couldn't test but I am pretty annoyed at the obvious shilling.

Thanks mybtclove. I'll look into them. Is anyone playing at xbet at this time? Need some more feedback.

peeps, Your work on rating is an important one.

I do however see that there is room for improvement in the standards by which you rate the books -

the period of time being in business is important but consider this:

If one betting site has superior technology or more features it should be rated higher.

for example, xbet.io are in business for over a month now and they are using an escrow technology that makes them the most honest book in existance. even if they want to take money from their bettors they can't do it.

you are not even rating xbet.io which is a shame.

At the beginning, when this ratings thread started, there was a list of criteria that was used to determine the rating of each sportsbook. We were given a rating of B and Anonibet were the top rated sportsbook with a rating of A.

I went over the list of criteria, one by one, and proved that in each and every category we are as good or better than Anonibet. And so I honestly asked Peeps why we are rated lower ?

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.6137493

Peeps realized that I'm right but wanted to keep Anonibet isolated on top because they pay him to promote them in forums and we don't, so just a few hours later he trashed the initial criteria and instead decided to rank books based on opening date.

We don't need a ratings guide for that !

Just make a list of all legitimate Bitcoin Sportbooks and sort them by opening date and viola ! you've got a list identical to the one Peeps has made without 60 pages of discussion !

It doesn't matter how long the book is in business. All that matters is what practices they are taking to protect users funds.

Bitbook was considered by many the most trusted Bitcoin sportsbook, it was their slogan and they never failed to pay a winning bet. Yet one day they too disappeared without paying all their customers.

You might argue that the more time the book is in business, the less chance there is for them to disappear. But on the other hand, the more time the book is in business, the more customers they have, the more deposits they hold, the more incentive for them to steal it and disappear.

Take for example Full Tilt Poker. They were the second largest on-line poker room for a decade, endorsed by dozens of top players, you would have rated them AAA+++ and players felt confident to keep there millions, yet they too stole hundreds of millions dollars from players deposits and had Poker Stars not buy them out, most of that money would have been gone. Same for Ultimate Bet, Absolute Poker, all top on-line poker rooms at the time with the exception Poker Stars.

If security is your concern, for rating purposes, you should dig deeper into what is done to protect users funds.

For your Bitcoins to be safe in a sportsbook account, the sportsbook needs to store all user-owned Bitcoins (deposits and winnings) in a separate account from the account used to pay for their daily operations, in a similar way that Poker Stars is doing for its Poker players. In addition, it needs to make sure that there is always more than enough funds in the segregated account to cover all user balances in the event that everyone will want to withdrawal their entire balances at the same time.

Furthermore, they need to prove that they control the Bitcoins in the segregated account, and allow an independent 3rd party to audit it at any time.

Finally, they need to demonstrate that access to the cold storage of Bitcoins is not limited to one or two persons, otherwise, in the unfortunate event that something terrible happens to them, the Bitcoins will be gone. For this reason, the sportsbooks need to provide a 3rd independent and trusted escrow service with an access to the segregated Bitcoins that are used to cover user balances, and an authorization to distribute them to their owners in unfortunate circumstances.

To the best of my knowledge, none of the Bitcoin sportsbooks follow this practice or a similar one, and therefore your Bitcoins are not safe in any of them, regardless of how long they are in business.

Stating that they have the Bitcoins in a cold storage is meaningless. They need to prove it, they need to allow an independent 3rd party to audit it at any time, and they need to show how you will get your Bitcoins in the unfortunate event that the people in control of it die.

Recently, there have been many Bitcoin sportsbooks that disappeared with all user balances. Unfortunately, as history has learned us, this will continue as long as there is no true protection to the users, similar to the one provided by Poker Stars in the poker industry.

Why DirectBet is the safest Bitcoin Sportsbook ?

We are the safest Bitcoin sportsbook for the simple reason that we do not take deposits and keep hold of your valuable Bitcoins, except during the lifetime of the bet and only the amount that you elected to bet. This period of time is kept to the minimum thanks to the fact that we settle all bets within an hour. Your Bitcoins are kept safe in your wallet under your control at all other times.

We are different than other Bitcoin sportbooks, who take deposits and keep hold of your Bitcoins for no good reason. By doing so, your Bitcoins are left vulnerable to theft or loss, and there is always the risk that the sportsbook will disappear, taking your Bitcoins along the way, or spend them on their operational costs, or use them to pay winning players, essentially turning into a Ponzi scheme, or otherwise prevent you from withdrawing for various dishonest reasons, as happened countless of times in the past.

In fact, to date, there hasn't been a single Bitcoin sportsbook that we are aware of, which ceased operation gracefylly and honored all withdrawal requests.

Currently, none of the other Bitcoin sportbooks take the necessary steps to truly protect deposits in a similar way that Poker Stars is doing in the on-line Poker industry for its Poker players, and therefore your Bitcoins are not safe in any of them, regardless of their opening date.

I really enjoying convesation between Peeps and Direct.
But I agree only old book will get top ranking is not good, it's doesn't matter if I start book in 2010 and don't have better feature from others so how I will get top ranking.

You must set critirea for ranking and put here. Saying this that atleast 3 year old book will be A ranking will not solve issue.

Make 5-6 points critirea for ranking after that I don't care which book will be on top.

I played in both Anoni and Direct, Both have their pro and cons.

We do offer an advanced feature for advanced users. It is called "Negotiate Odds". You can use it to set the minimum required odds. You don't have to guess what the odds would be. You can also use it to deposit first and get immediate bet confirmation just like you can in a regular deposit book.

Another advantage of DirectBet, which you will not find in most other Bitcoin Sportbooks, is that if the odds increases while your bet is being processed, the bet will be confirmed at the higher odds instead of the ordered odds. In the long run, that's a lot of extra Bitcoins in your pocket.


I don't know what you're talking about. If we discover a problem we fix it on the same day. There are currently no known bugs.


Because you downgraded us and told your followers "I wouldn't play at this shop" but in fact you continued to bet frequently at DirectBet.

A dishonest person like yourself who flat out lies to his followers in order to earn some BTC does not have the credibility to rate Bitcoin Sportsbooks.

We are calling all players and books alike to raise their voice.

Please take a moment to vote in the poll on our thread :

Do you think that Peeps Place has the creditability to rate Bitcoin Sportbooks, given that those he rates the highest are paying him to advertise and promote them ?

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/directbet-live-sportsbook-racebook-now-accepting-ether-393147


No it's not. It's a mirror for the paid ratings guide here.



This is another example of how much you are biased towards the books that pay you and why you should not be rating books. Our live bets odds, on average, are higher than the ones offered by your top rated book. Number 2 in your list doesn't even offer live betting.

Furthermore, DirectBet offers the most comprehensive live coverage among Bitcoin Sportbooks.

Betting and/or "investing" at a sportsbook which seeks investors requires that one be brain dead to do this.

It's an obvious Ponzi. They need the "investments" to keep going. Why would a profitable enterprise ask bettors for investing and therefore giving away some of their profits?

Essentially, someone who "invests" in the book, and then bets there, is having their bets booked with their own money backing it up.

Peeps Place, the public want to hear from the "#1 ratings guide" :

Why were you advising players not to bet at DirectBet while at the same time you were betting there yourself frequently ?

This ratings guide is a paid advertisement !

This thread is much more than just ratings. Posters have helped a couple of players get paid as the dispute was brought to this thread. If any player has a problem they can also PM me and I will do what I can to help them get paid.

Thanks for the input darkx3 and Tikk3r

I personally find DirectBet the best , as it is simple to just get payments to your address as soon as a bet is completed.

On the other hand , DirectBet should not try to change the ratings of Peeps Place.
The ratings are 100% controlled by one single person.

I have no idea on how much "posters rating" affects it , nor is any clear system given.
It could probably be that 1 million poster votes bumps your book by a grade.

Any book rating site that rates books upon the whims of one individual , while claiming to take ratings from everyone (with no proof of doing so) is useless.

Hi,

I would like to see more tennis matches. Small tournements. (Cfr. Bet365 ).
Also your odds on tennis would be higher.
Furthermore, I like the betVIP sportsbook!

Grtz

Tikk3r

Anonibet finally responded and while I wasn't particularly happy with the outcome I'll give them the benefit of the doubt this time and continue to use them.

On the other hand I had a minor issue at Casinobitco.in where my open parlays weren't displaying correctly on their site. They not only communicated promptly via email but they fixed the issue and went the extra mile to make sure I was satisfied. With their favorable lines and incredible support I really don't get how they aren't ranked higher than a B-. They should be up there with Anonibet or Nitrogen at the very least.

I've been using Anonibet for a few days now and I'm not impressed. I had a problem with one of my plays last night and I posted in their thread and sent support a message, sent support another message about an hour ago and still no reply after about 20 hours. I've never waited more than an hour or two for a response from Betcoin or Casinobitco.in.