Topic: #1 RATINGS and REVIEWS of SPORTS BOOKS thread. Poster input appreciated. - page 7. (Read 89459 times)

"Yes, as bad as it might be perceived to be - this kind of public back-and-forth is shamefully unprofessional and is making the rest of the operators look bad by association."

Unbiased ratings are essential if the ratings in this thread are to be trusted and relied on.

If there is an issue, anyone should be able to post about it, whether bettor or book.

I don't see how this is unprofessional, and definitely don't believe it makes other books look bad by association.

DirectBet- No one should play at your book if you can delay plays by 7 minutes. Bets should be confirmed or rejected immediately. You are the shot taker. Please stay out of this thread. All you do is clutter it up with lies and I'm tired of defending myself to false accusations.

1. You ordered a bet at DirectBet and transferred your wager. Your wallet delayed your bet transfer by 7 minutes.

2. We processed and confirmed your bet immediately as soon as it was received and in accordance with our rules.

3. You did not complain on the delay until after your bet was already determined as a loser. You placed many bets on our website in the past. You know that after sending your bet transfer, you have to refresh the bet status page and wait until your bet is either confirmed or rejected. If there was a problem you should have notified us immediately. Instead, you waited until after you lost the bet to complain. There is a name for this tactic. It is called Angle-Shooting.

4. We explained to you that our rules specifically states that if your bet transfer is delayed by your wallet, it will be processed as soon as it is received. We further explained that the reason for this rule is because we have no way to tell whether your wallet delayed the transfer or whether you intentionally wanted to send your bet some time later after ordering it.

5. We provided you with a screen shot plus block chain reference as a proof that the delay was in your wallet and not on our end.

6. Despite all our explanation and no wrong doing on our end, you went on to this thread and made the following false statement :

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.7659779

You accused us of accepting your losing bet and canceling your winning bet, when in fact both of your bets were processed as soon as they were received. One was confirmed and one was rejected and refunded immediately upon receipt and long before the result was determined. Your second bet was rejected due to the fact that the odds changed significantly during the period in which your wallet delayed the transfer.

7. Once your angle shooting did not work, you reverted to blackmailing.

After the above post you sent us a private message titled "Delete Post" where tried to induce us to refund your losing bet in exchange for removing your posts.



We then reinstated that your bet will stand because it was processed in accordance with our rules and because you did not notify us immediately on the problem. Instead, you waited for the bet result, and sent your complain only after your bet was lost.

Perhaps there are other books who refund your losing bets because they afraid you will downgrade them. We don't.

In order to succeed in the long term we have to follow our rules consistently, and these rules are clearly stated on our website.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=55365.1020

See I'm open to what your saying but when u say that these ratings have been screwed with then I know your story is false. I know this because after coinbet theft, I made PeepsPlace understand some issues and then he reconsidered his ratings with all his books. U can sift through this thread to find where it started. I myself am a loyal poster at sports forums for years and will never lie for anyone or any book. So understand that your complaining about these ratings may be off here.

We'll not recently but I have read many other posters no problems. Now with btc then It will be much easier. Don't worry just give it time and they will add it I'm sure, im pretty sure the owner will even add btc bets as well since he likes to be the "man" if u know what I mean.

Getting back to Anonibet. This is joelad, the winner of the Anonibet contest.

Diectbet has no credibility. He's saying that I tried to blackmail him for not refunding a bet. My PMs show that this is untrue. It also shows that your bets can be delayed with DirectBet. My bet wasn't confirmed for 7 minutes.

DirectBet- Show me where I demanded a refund or would post negative information if you didn't refund my bet.

PMs sent to DirectBet

DirectBet
DirectBet is posting more lies. I will post all the emails that I sent him. I won't post what he sent me.

The reason why we are being so much more vocal about Peeps Place recently is because he crossed the line.

Please allow me to explain.

We already revealed a couple of months ago that Peeps is getting paid by his top rated Bitcoin Sportsbooks to promote them in forums.

That's not new. After revealing that, we let it go and kept silent.

A couple of weeks ago Peeps Place placed a bet on our website and lost.

After losing the bet, Peeps blackmailed us and demanded that we refund his losing bet or else he will publish negative information on DirectBet publicly.

His reasoning for demanding us to refund his losing bet was that his wallet delayed the transfer of his bet by a few minutes. However, we clearly state in our rules page that if your wallet delays the transfer of your bet, the bet will be processed as soon as it is received and that's what happened with his bet. We also recommend using the Bitcoin Core client to avoid such delays.

In addition, Peeps notified us on this issue only after his bet was already determined as a loser and not right away when the bet was placed.

Since our rules are very clear and since Peeps complained only after losing the bet, we decided that the bet should stand.

Peeps then went on public to spread false information when in fact our rules were very clear. You can find more details in the archive of this thread.

Do you see the problem here ?

Peeps is using the "Power" of his rating guide to blackmail books to refund his losing bets or else get bad publicity following by a reduced rating.

That's when we decided that we will not let it go this time until this scam thread is closed.

This is not a true ratings guide, it's a disguised paid advertisement.

Thanks for adding your post on 5Dimes. We are keeping an eye on this since 5Dimes is competitive in the baseball market. I wish that 5Dimes would allow straight BTC withdrawals without converting to cash for withdrawals.

Have you taken out any recent withdrawals from 5Dimes? I haven't taken one in a long time but if I remember correctly, it took approximately one week. Posters are going to love Tony.

I'm glad that most of the books here have stayed away from these unprofessional attacks and have kept their posts to discussions of their own book.

It's been mentioned numerous times that the criticisms of books should be presented by the posters and not the books. The books are more than invited to post but the subject should pertain to their own individual book. It opens up question and answer periods that leads to informative discussions.

I can find better lines elsewhere on every sport compared to btc books. Nothing special here.
Peeps I added more too my other post.

I'm an avid baseball bettor and agree with you 100%. It looks like many of the bitcoin books are targeting soccer at this time without much interest in the baseball market.

Hey Peeps I have been looking through every BTC books lines and comparing them to pretty much other books around and honestly at least 90% of the btc books at least 90% of the time for baseball have worse lines by pretty high margins. Something to consider, I don't understand what some of these books are thinking when they put out these lines. It's pretty much all of them too including anonibet, I can pretty much find a better line elsewhere almost all the time. Nitrogen offers better lines than most btc books but I can still almost always get better prices elsewhere. Do u know how much this adds upto over time.
Oh I also don't see it in the threads here but last week 5dimes SBR rated A+ added btc as a deposit option, only deposits as of now too test it out but they plan on adding withdraws once it pans out! I also read if it really works out they might even add to btc and not the switch to usd.
Also I hope all the BTC books are reading this because if u decide not to give use better deals then what do what do u think will happen? Your not the only book out there like u think and if 5dimes adds btc then I would never even place a bet with u unless u had a better line. So now is the time to reconsider your lines bad business plan or u will be out of business within a year.

Yes, as bad as it might be perceived to be - this kind of public back-and-forth is shamefully unprofessional and is making the rest of the operators look bad by association.

I'm surprised anyone would even think of using your book after all the bs u have been complaining about for all this time. Not to mention your lines aren't as good as u think they are. You don't even offer to give out dimeline baseball? That alone is a ripoff.

I don't blindly back anyone and didn't make any immediate comments when this dispute was first brought to the forum. Since that time, I've been in contact with 2 employees from Anoninbet. All the winners were Anonibet customers for at least 6 months. Contrary to what is being posted, the winner is not new to bitcointalk. He joined in April.

Peeps, how do you know that Anonibet, your top rated Bitcoin sportsbook and the only one you rated A, is not a one man shop ?

Did you meet them in person to verify that ? Or perhaps you are one of them ?

And what do you mean by "expanding" ? Anonibet, your one and only A rated Bitcoin sportsbook, recently had a sports betting contest with 22 BTC prize pool. They exists since 2011 yet only 6 players participated in their contest, some of which are accused of being Anonibet employees.

Is that what you call "expanding" ? Is that sort of expansion needed to get an A rating from you ?

Lets face it Peeps, this is not a true ratings guide, it's a disguised paid advertisement for Anonibet, and the more you blindly defend them, the more it is clear what we have been claiming for months - you work for Anonibet !