Looking out our luck over the past 50 blocks, we are also right on target... seems like we are high, but unfortunately the math doesn't lie.
Topic: [1200 TH] EMC: 0 Fee DGM. Anonymous PPS. US & EU servers. No Registration! - page 115. (Read 499602 times)
April 14, 2012, 08:30:47 AM
Most everyone, with a few outliers, look to be on target with number of shares submitted within a reasonable margin of error and luck.
Looking out our luck over the past 50 blocks, we are also right on target... seems like we are high, but unfortunately the math doesn't lie.
Looking out our luck over the past 50 blocks, we are also right on target... seems like we are high, but unfortunately the math doesn't lie.
April 14, 2012, 08:23:08 AM
Code:
1 Inaba 59431448 / 42 = 1,415,034
2 Private 52664637 / 23 = 2,289,766
3 Private 48347524 / 22 = 2,197,614
4 ocminer 41197840 / 26 = 1,584,532
5 Private 32048612 / 21 = 1,526,124
6 jjiimm_64 25815926 / 20 = 1,290,796
7 exahash 22412684 / 18 = 1,245,149
8 sgravina 21033386 / 7 = 3,004,769
9 wowe 19524184 / 6 = 3,254,030
10 Private 18688279 / 12 = 1,557,356
11 sveetsnelda 18638297 / 13 = 1,433,715
12 Private 18402599 / 3 = 6,134,199
13 coran007 15655886 / 9 = 1,739,542
14 gfaust 15395224 / 8 = 1,924,403
15 Private 15218092 / 10 = 1,521,809
16 RPM 14084727 / 14 = 1,006,051
17 Private 13057093 / 11 = 1,187,008
18 CigarPuller3 12302956 / 7 = 1,757,565
19 Dissi 11536161 / 6 = 1,922,693
20 cobracom 10788258 / 10 = 1,078,825
21 catfish 10502848 / 10 = 1,050,284
22 BillHicks 10283152 / 19 = 541,218
23 cuz72 10230630 / 2 = 5,115,315
24 jjshabadoo2 9838017 / 10 = 983,801
25 Private 9638341 / 1 = 9,638,341
2 Private 52664637 / 23 = 2,289,766
3 Private 48347524 / 22 = 2,197,614
4 ocminer 41197840 / 26 = 1,584,532
5 Private 32048612 / 21 = 1,526,124
6 jjiimm_64 25815926 / 20 = 1,290,796
7 exahash 22412684 / 18 = 1,245,149
8 sgravina 21033386 / 7 = 3,004,769
9 wowe 19524184 / 6 = 3,254,030
10 Private 18688279 / 12 = 1,557,356
11 sveetsnelda 18638297 / 13 = 1,433,715
12 Private 18402599 / 3 = 6,134,199
13 coran007 15655886 / 9 = 1,739,542
14 gfaust 15395224 / 8 = 1,924,403
15 Private 15218092 / 10 = 1,521,809
16 RPM 14084727 / 14 = 1,006,051
17 Private 13057093 / 11 = 1,187,008
18 CigarPuller3 12302956 / 7 = 1,757,565
19 Dissi 11536161 / 6 = 1,922,693
20 cobracom 10788258 / 10 = 1,078,825
21 catfish 10502848 / 10 = 1,050,284
22 BillHicks 10283152 / 19 = 541,218
23 cuz72 10230630 / 2 = 5,115,315
24 jjshabadoo2 9838017 / 10 = 983,801
25 Private 9638341 / 1 = 9,638,341
Just one pool of many so extremely small sample and its safe to assume miners have mined elsewhere at times so total shares are not exact. Sure difficulty makes up for some especially any that have been mining since the early days. Surprised meni hasn't been by yet, he's usually johnny on the spot with math.
Dam look at BillHicks he must of sold his soul to get luck like that. Bill show us pictures of wat you going on over there. Miner and settings??? Wat ever your doing don't change a thing. Seal that room off and hope the power never goes out.
April 13, 2012, 11:39:05 PM
NetworkerZ: I'm not really sure if I understand your question with regards to the payout being worse than at Deepbit? There's no fee on EMC, so your payout is going to be at least 3% greater, but more likely a bit more, since you aren't losing out to pool hoppers, either.
As far as the claim of every miner mining in only one pool, everyone earning more BTC, that is just plain false. Mining is zero sum - collectively, no one makes more or less than ~50 BTC every 6 minutes... it's impossible from a network standpoint.
As far as the PPS thing goes, I will try to get to it - what stats page for PPS do you want to see, though, beyond what's already available?
Stoppots: It's not really surprising, the largest hashrate miners prefer to be private for whatever reason. I'm not sure I understand the desire to keep your user name private, but it's a feature people want. But in either case, there's 8 privates in the top 25, or approximately 33%. Three of the top 10 are private, again around 30% - that doesn't seem all out of whack at all.
As far as the claim of every miner mining in only one pool, everyone earning more BTC, that is just plain false. Mining is zero sum - collectively, no one makes more or less than ~50 BTC every 6 minutes... it's impossible from a network standpoint.
As far as the PPS thing goes, I will try to get to it - what stats page for PPS do you want to see, though, beyond what's already available?
Stoppots: It's not really surprising, the largest hashrate miners prefer to be private for whatever reason. I'm not sure I understand the desire to keep your user name private, but it's a feature people want. But in either case, there's 8 privates in the top 25, or approximately 33%. Three of the top 10 are private, again around 30% - that doesn't seem all out of whack at all.
April 13, 2012, 08:17:16 PM
Took a look at the hall of fame page and was surprised to see such a high average shares per block for so many of the miners choosing to stay private while so many miners that are not private seemed to have much lower average shares per block. Did not take the time to average the averages between private and not private or the number of the top25 listed private and not private, but seems odd.
April 13, 2012, 06:13:08 PM
Hi Inaba!
I'm mining at EMC since Dec. 11 and I'm really happy with the pool and everything. Someone was aksing me, why I'm mining at EMC, when then payout since weeks is worse then at deepbit for example. Is there any reason, why I could make more BTC except "Luck" or "NO Luck". I mean something technical like "more GHash in the Pool" or "more people mining in the pool"? He also claims, that if every miner would mine in ONLY ONE pool, everyone would earn more BTC?!? I was wondering about that question and we are discussing and calculating since days now. Perhaps you got an idea, what he means? THX in advance.
Btw.: I know you are working on that PPS thing ... but when do you think you are able to bring a good stats page?
Greetz
NetworkerZ
I'm mining at EMC since Dec. 11 and I'm really happy with the pool and everything. Someone was aksing me, why I'm mining at EMC, when then payout since weeks is worse then at deepbit for example. Is there any reason, why I could make more BTC except "Luck" or "NO Luck". I mean something technical like "more GHash in the Pool" or "more people mining in the pool"? He also claims, that if every miner would mine in ONLY ONE pool, everyone would earn more BTC?!? I was wondering about that question and we are discussing and calculating since days now. Perhaps you got an idea, what he means? THX in advance.
Btw.: I know you are working on that PPS thing ... but when do you think you are able to bring a good stats page?
Greetz
NetworkerZ
April 12, 2012, 08:12:08 PM
Yeah and they are costing me, too! Hah... jeez. I think the bug is still there, so PPS people are getting overpaid on top of that. I can't, for the life of me, figure out how it's even possible given the code. Makes it hard to debug when we have long blocks, though.. grrr
April 12, 2012, 04:19:40 PM
these long rounds are starting to promote the PPS
April 11, 2012, 01:41:44 PM
Roughly 7 blocks, but that can vary slightly depending on luck.
April 11, 2012, 12:49:29 PM
Can anybody tell me how many blocks have to be mined before a new miner starts realizing the full PPS value? From reading the last couple pages I've gathered that it ramps up from the time you first start, but much beyond that I'm lost. Thanks in advance!
April 11, 2012, 08:35:21 AM
Mufa, if you'll look back a few posts, PPS was being overpaid, so you were getting more for PPS than you were suppose to. I am trying to work through that bug right now.
April 11, 2012, 03:52:55 AM
Not sure if should be saying this, but I am making more money using PPS then the DGS method. (I just added a couple more 5830s to my mix, so my numbers will be slightly off.)
I estimated I make about 30,000 shares in 24 hours. So that's about 0.85 BTC a day. I was only making 0.1 per block using DGS. So unless we mine 8+ blocks a day, I will be making a tiny bit more with PPS. I figure if a block takes any longer then 3-4 hours, it's not worth it. And since it's hardly under 3 hours, and most of the time over 3 hours, I can make more using PPS. Which I have.
Assuming everyone does this, I'd imagine you (Inaba) will be losing out on money rather then cutting even. Which is strange, because other pools seem to be able to pay at the same rate per share, and sometimes even more.
I'm not really sure what to make of this observation, but just something I've noticed over the past week. So unless we hit lucky streaks of less then 3 hours per block, I think users will be making more using PPS. Maybe it varies depending on what you hash rate is... I don't know...
It is impossible for PPS payout with a fee to make more than DGM without a fee on average.I estimated I make about 30,000 shares in 24 hours. So that's about 0.85 BTC a day. I was only making 0.1 per block using DGS. So unless we mine 8+ blocks a day, I will be making a tiny bit more with PPS. I figure if a block takes any longer then 3-4 hours, it's not worth it. And since it's hardly under 3 hours, and most of the time over 3 hours, I can make more using PPS. Which I have.
Assuming everyone does this, I'd imagine you (Inaba) will be losing out on money rather then cutting even. Which is strange, because other pools seem to be able to pay at the same rate per share, and sometimes even more.
I'm not really sure what to make of this observation, but just something I've noticed over the past week. So unless we hit lucky streaks of less then 3 hours per block, I think users will be making more using PPS. Maybe it varies depending on what you hash rate is... I don't know...
If you've recently added new hardware, it means your score hasn't built up yet, so your payment is deferred. If you're 1.5 GH/s and the pool is 413 GH/s, you're really making 0.18 BTC per block, but the 0.08 BTC is delayed a bit.
EDIT: There is always the possibility of an implementation bug that will cause a change in the paid values.
I thought about saying this before, but it seemed pretty banal. In light of Inaba's following comment (and the earlier comment I didn't read), I guess I should have.
But if your stated PPS payments are calculated rather than observed, the above is the correct explanation after all.
April 11, 2012, 03:10:51 AM
Not sure if should be saying this, but I am making more money using PPS then the DGS method. (I just added a couple more 5830s to my mix, so my numbers will be slightly off.)
You'll still be pulling in earnings from DGM for days to come, even though you've stopped mining on it.
April 10, 2012, 11:06:06 PM
Not sure if should be saying this, but I am making more money using PPS then the DGS method. (I just added a couple more 5830s to my mix, so my numbers will be slightly off.)
I estimated I make about 30,000 shares in 24 hours. So that's about 0.85 BTC a day. I was only making 0.1 per block using DGS. So unless we mine 8+ blocks a day, I will be making a tiny bit more with PPS. I figure if a block takes any longer then 3-4 hours, it's not worth it. And since it's hardly under 3 hours, and most of the time over 3 hours, I can make more using PPS. Which I have.
Assuming everyone does this, I'd imagine you (Inaba) will be losing out on money rather then cutting even. Which is strange, because other pools seem to be able to pay at the same rate per share, and sometimes even more.
I'm not really sure what to make of this observation, but just something I've noticed over the past week. So unless we hit lucky streaks of less then 3 hours per block, I think users will be making more using PPS. Maybe it varies depending on what you hash rate is... I don't know...
I estimated I make about 30,000 shares in 24 hours. So that's about 0.85 BTC a day. I was only making 0.1 per block using DGS. So unless we mine 8+ blocks a day, I will be making a tiny bit more with PPS. I figure if a block takes any longer then 3-4 hours, it's not worth it. And since it's hardly under 3 hours, and most of the time over 3 hours, I can make more using PPS. Which I have.
Assuming everyone does this, I'd imagine you (Inaba) will be losing out on money rather then cutting even. Which is strange, because other pools seem to be able to pay at the same rate per share, and sometimes even more.
I'm not really sure what to make of this observation, but just something I've noticed over the past week. So unless we hit lucky streaks of less then 3 hours per block, I think users will be making more using PPS. Maybe it varies depending on what you hash rate is... I don't know...
April 10, 2012, 06:36:56 PM
There's bug on the backend for reconcilliation, nothing that affects users (other than it's been overpaying for PPS slightly... added up to about 10 BTC overpayment so far since the start).
ah bummer .. goo dthing wasnt like 1k btc lol April 10, 2012, 04:58:30 PM
There's bug on the backend for reconcilliation, nothing that affects users (other than it's been overpaying for PPS slightly... added up to about 10 BTC overpayment so far since the start).
April 10, 2012, 04:51:37 PM
Theres bugs on pps? I havent noticed any weirdness...
April 10, 2012, 02:47:03 PM
Yeah!
I think I may have found at least one of the bugs plaguing me for PPS thanks to that block, too. Hopefully the next block will see that it's fixed.
I think I may have found at least one of the bugs plaguing me for PPS thanks to that block, too. Hopefully the next block will see that it's fixed.
April 10, 2012, 02:43:25 PM
April 10, 2012, 02:36:30 PM
wow 5 second block 
April 10, 2012, 12:17:25 PM
I do not see the error now.
thank you.
thank you.
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