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July 26, 2022, 06:48:25 AM
Draymond Green shaking the social media universe. Again.
https://twitter.com/Money23Green/status/1551387749390749696?s=20&t=YvBGiJPHAIloq7mFvqLp8A
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I’m watching the 98 Bulls vs Utah in the Finals… I can’t help but notice our 2017 team would’ve beaten these Bulls by a dub and these Jazz by 40 if they’re going to play these brands of basketball. And that’s why it’s dumb to compare Era’s
Why are people getting more and more sensitive about these things?
The last sentence is the main focus of what he said. It's dumb to compare eras. And I think we have discussed that here in our NBA thread.
Bulls were great in their time and I have no little doubt about that.
Lakers were also great with Kobe and Shaq.
Spurs were damn good with the trio and the added young Kawhi Leonard.
They have their own eras where they dominated the league but now it's just Warriors time.
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July 26, 2022, 05:55:22 AM
Of course, for now Tatum is untouchable, and we can see that Boston want's him to be the franchise player. And then know that even if they were able to acquire Durant, for sure he will not stay that long for them, maybe max is 3 years.

The leverage though might be too much for Boston, Brown and Smart and then multiple picks. So I don't see the Boston Celtics to just let go of their two stars with future picks. But good move on the part of the Nets, and see if Celtics are willing to strike that deal.

If Boston will take that deal, it's a best trade for the Nets. Smart and Brown are both promising stars that have good futures from the league,

letting Durant go for these two and with the two future picks would really favor them. Not sure how Boston will take this one and if they

are really interested and make it happen. Another question is on how KD and JT will jive and blend their games. Oh well, that's how the league

works now, trades and switch teams is a business not a career concern now.. Wink

Yeah it is really just is how the league is right now. KD and the rest of the Celtics who would remain would find a way to gel / play together. That would definitely be giving up a lot for the Celtics, but if I were them I’d to close to whatever it took to get Durant as he brings you that much closer to a potential championship.

Brown and Smart are just ordinary players unlike Durant who is proven to be a superstar, he has won multiple finals MVP and has won a champion, I guess that would make the Celtics stronger if they will succeed in getting Durant. Who knows, they might win a championship next season.
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July 25, 2022, 10:53:38 PM
Of course, for now Tatum is untouchable, and we can see that Boston want's him to be the franchise player. And then know that even if they were able to acquire Durant, for sure he will not stay that long for them, maybe max is 3 years.

The leverage though might be too much for Boston, Brown and Smart and then multiple picks. So I don't see the Boston Celtics to just let go of their two stars with future picks. But good move on the part of the Nets, and see if Celtics are willing to strike that deal.

If Boston will take that deal, it's a best trade for the Nets. Smart and Brown are both promising stars that have good futures from the league,

letting Durant go for these two and with the two future picks would really favor them. Not sure how Boston will take this one and if they

are really interested and make it happen. Another question is on how KD and JT will jive and blend their games. Oh well, that's how the league

works now, trades and switch teams is a business not a career concern now.. Wink

Yeah it is really just is how the league is right now. KD and the rest of the Celtics who would remain would find a way to gel / play together. That would definitely be giving up a lot for the Celtics, but if I were them I’d to close to whatever it took to get Durant as he brings you that much closer to a potential championship.
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July 25, 2022, 10:36:45 PM
Of course, for now Tatum is untouchable, and we can see that Boston want's him to be the franchise player. And then know that even if they were able to acquire Durant, for sure he will not stay that long for them, maybe max is 3 years.

The leverage though might be too much for Boston, Brown and Smart and then multiple picks. So I don't see the Boston Celtics to just let go of their two stars with future picks. But good move on the part of the Nets, and see if Celtics are willing to strike that deal.

If Boston will take that deal, it's a best trade for the Nets. Smart and Brown are both promising stars that have good futures from the league,

letting Durant go for these two and with the two future picks would really favor them. Not sure how Boston will take this one and if they

are really interested and make it happen. Another question is on how KD and JT will jive and blend their games. Oh well, that's how the league

works now, trades and switch teams is a business not a career concern now.. Wink
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July 25, 2022, 09:08:07 PM
Of course, for now Tatum is untouchable, and we can see that Boston want's him to be the franchise player. And then know that even if they were able to acquire Durant, for sure he will not stay that long for them, maybe max is 3 years.

The leverage though might be too much for Boston, Brown and Smart and then multiple picks. So I don't see the Boston Celtics to just let go of their two stars with future picks. But good move on the part of the Nets, and see if Celtics are willing to strike that deal.
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July 25, 2022, 08:46:13 PM
I don't think it will be that bad since its Brown and draft picks. Yes he's an important part of the team but replacing him with KD would not totally disrupt the team rhythm since the Celtics still have the role players. This could actually play out well for the team in the short term. Tatum will most likely continue to be the team facilitator because we know Durant isn't a ball hog and has no problem moving without the ball.

Brooklyn Nets are not dumb to just take Brown and the future draft picks.

They want to maximize as much as they can the good trade package they can get from Kevin Durant. It's not just Brown but for sure Nets are also asking for more which includes the key players of the Boston Celtics and might be, Jayson Tatum too.

I hope Nets won't get a trade package deal to trade Durant. This is to give Durant a problem and a lesson as well. If that happened, Durant will play on the Nets even he don't like it or not. Or the worst case, if the Nets didn't find any good trade package but are eager to trade Durant, they will end up trading him with a small package.

As soon as the Nets say taytum Celtics are hanging up.  Taytum is the future of Boston basketball even if they get Durant.  Giving up taytum in any package is going to make them a worse team.  I can see brown going and a couple picks.  Durant has 4 years on his contract its not like they only get em for a year or 2.  Someone is going to have to shed a lot of assets if they want him.

Even Celtics are willing to give up Brown and a couple of future draft picks, that's not enough for the Nets to agree with trading Durant. I'm sure the Nets want Jayson Tatum too. The reason I say that future draft picks are not a priority for the Nets since they already even gave up their own draftees when they signed Durand and Irving.

The Nets clearly want a big name too and Brown doesn't even on the same tier as Durant. Let's wait what will happened.
I have read a Facebook post (NBA Buzz) and I don't know if it's true but these are the proposed trades from both teams.
Boston wants to trade Jaylen Brown and Derrick White for Durant and the Nets declined it.
Nets proposed to get Jaylen Brown, Marcus Smart, multiple 1st round picks and a rotation player for Durant and the Celtics declined it.

On the other hand, Tatum isn't and will not be involved in this trade talks regarding Durant. TBH, the Nets are asking too much for a player that can't carry his team. Yes he is one of the best shooters of all time in the modern era but that doesn't matter if you can't be a leader of your own team. Nets might want Tatum but they will not include him in the trade talks and I believe if this will happen, most probably it's Brown who will get traded. Like you, many of us are still waiting but I hope that the Nets will lower their offer to other players because they are asking too much in my opinion.
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July 25, 2022, 08:28:27 PM
This trade discussions involving Brown and Durant may effect the Celtics  negatively whether it pushes through or not.

If it pushes through, it will disrupt the established chemistry that the team build through their young cores. And they are not assured that Durant and Tatum tandem will click. And it can also disrupt Tatum's development as the alpha of the team. This may lead them not achieving anything. This can affect Tatum's decisions when he becomes free agency. Worst comes to worst, Durant will leave them disarrayed just how he leaves his former teams.

If it does not push through, it may affect the relationship of the management with brown and eventually affects the team. After the performance that Brown showed last season, specially in the finals, he will be disgruntled to know that Celtics still considered him a trading piece.  A disgruntled star athlete will have bad performance

We will see about that, I mean we haven't even see the new season so that that it will have an effect on Brown and the Celtics management. Still up to Jaylen Brown to show up, if he remains as a Celtic and do his thing, after all this guys are professionals. On the contrary, he can show the Celtics will have to regret their decision if he has another great season with them, maybe 20 points per game and from time to time taking over the game and take a win.
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July 25, 2022, 06:53:58 PM

That will have an effect emotionally on a player that if teams show interest to trade you, it will be a distraction playing with that team now. Jaylen Brown might be on that condition now but he has to understand that everything is business no matter how good the player is on that team and shows loyalty.

But for let's say that rumor between Nets and Celtics pushes and Tatum stays on the team, what in world the Celtics is doing. I don't see that the Tatum-Durant duo will be effective in the long run. And besides, the current Celtics are not used to having a solo main player that always does isolation plays to make scores.

The Celtics are working as a team and Durant's playing style is not a fit for them.
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July 25, 2022, 06:45:09 PM
This trade discussions involving Brown and Durant may effect the Celtics  negatively whether it pushes through or not.

If it pushes through, it will disrupt the established chemistry that the team build through their young cores. And they are not assured that Durant and Tatum tandem will click. And it can also disrupt Tatum's development as the alpha of the team. This may lead them not achieving anything. This can affect Tatum's decisions when he becomes free agency. Worst comes to worst, Durant will leave them disarrayed just how he leaves his former teams.
I don't think it will be that bad since its Brown and draft picks. Yes he's an important part of the team but replacing him with KD would not totally disrupt the team rhythm since the Celtics still have the role players. This could actually play out well for the team in the short term. Tatum will most likely continue to be the team facilitator because we know Durant isn't a ball hog and has no problem moving without the ball.

Yes it does because Nets wants Brown, Smart, draft picks and possible a role player. I do not think Nets will take the trade if it is just brown and picks. It will be a totally new dynamics within the team and that can go either way. Can be very good and they win or the other way around.
The article linked in the post by OgNasty mentioned Brown as the center piece of the trade plus draft picks. It didn't say about Smart or the role players.
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1551454984314753024?s=21&t=w1qEPWBdZ9JMV3B1ji-y5g

Celtics would be really stupid if they would actually give up a lot of key pieces for KD.

I don't think it will be that bad since its Brown and draft picks. Yes he's an important part of the team but replacing him with KD would not totally disrupt the team rhythm since the Celtics still have the role players. This could actually play out well for the team in the short term. Tatum will most likely continue to be the team facilitator because we know Durant isn't a ball hog and has no problem moving without the ball.

Brooklyn Nets are not dumb to just take Brown and the future draft picks.

They want to maximize as much as they can the good trade package they can get from Kevin Durant. It's not just Brown but for sure Nets are also asking for more which includes the key players of the Boston Celtics and might be, Jayson Tatum too.
Hehe They're trying to get the most out of him but where's that taking the Nets now? It's been almost a month now and still nothing concrete. They are asking too much and all other teams are not interested in the Nets price tag.

Use the Twitter link above as trade reference.
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July 25, 2022, 06:40:41 PM
I don't think it will be that bad since its Brown and draft picks. Yes he's an important part of the team but replacing him with KD would not totally disrupt the team rhythm since the Celtics still have the role players. This could actually play out well for the team in the short term. Tatum will most likely continue to be the team facilitator because we know Durant isn't a ball hog and has no problem moving without the ball.

Brooklyn Nets are not dumb to just take Brown and the future draft picks.

They want to maximize as much as they can the good trade package they can get from Kevin Durant. It's not just Brown but for sure Nets are also asking for more which includes the key players of the Boston Celtics and might be, Jayson Tatum too.

I hope Nets won't get a trade package deal to trade Durant. This is to give Durant a problem and a lesson as well. If that happened, Durant will play on the Nets even he don't like it or not. Or the worst case, if the Nets didn't find any good trade package but are eager to trade Durant, they will end up trading him with a small package.

As soon as the Nets say taytum Celtics are hanging up.  Taytum is the future of Boston basketball even if they get Durant.  Giving up taytum in any package is going to make them a worse team.  I can see brown going and a couple picks.  Durant has 4 years on his contract its not like they only get em for a year or 2.  Someone is going to have to shed a lot of assets if they want him.

Even Celtics are willing to give up Brown and a couple of future draft picks, that's not enough for the Nets to agree with trading Durant. I'm sure the Nets want Jayson Tatum too. The reason I say that future draft picks are not a priority for the Nets since they already even gave up their own draftees when they signed Durand and Irving.

The Nets clearly want a big name too and Brown doesn't even on the same tier as Durant. Let's wait what will happened.
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July 25, 2022, 06:38:24 PM
This trade discussions involving Brown and Durant may effect the Celtics  negatively whether it pushes through or not.

If it pushes through, it will disrupt the established chemistry that the team build through their young cores. And they are not assured that Durant and Tatum tandem will click. And it can also disrupt Tatum's development as the alpha of the team. This may lead them not achieving anything. This can affect Tatum's decisions when he becomes free agency. Worst comes to worst, Durant will leave them disarrayed just how he leaves his former teams.
I don't think it will be that bad since its Brown and draft picks. Yes he's an important part of the team but replacing him with KD would not totally disrupt the team rhythm since the Celtics still have the role players. This could actually play out well for the team in the short term. Tatum will most likely continue to be the team facilitator because we know Durant isn't a ball hog and has no problem moving without the ball.

Yes it does because Nets wants Brown, Smart, draft picks and possible a role player. I do not think Nets will take the trade if it is just brown and picks. It will be a totally new dynamics within the team and that can go either way. Can be very good and they win or the other way around.

Kevin Durant might be too costly if they have to lose both Jaylen Brown and Marcus Smart, Draft Picks and the possible role player, Celtics have built a phenomenal team around Marcus Smart, Brow and Tatum, given up two of them would be insane but I really don't know how else they can it to all work out, but Brown is not even at his peak yet imo, but he's been an asset for the team. I don't think loosing Smart and Brown for Kevin Durant would make them more of championship contending team than they're currently, I felt they've got even more solid with the Brogdon trade.

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If it does not push through, it may affect the relationship of the management with brown and eventually affects the team. After the performance that Brown showed last season, specially in the finals, he will be disgruntled to know that Celtics still considered him a trading piece.  A disgruntled star athlete will have bad performance
I am yet to see a social media rant from Brown. I would be disappointed in him if he starts acting like a Diva like Kyrie or Ben.

He is shaking his head though.

https://twitter.com/FCHWPO/status/1551581600973959168?t=ql6MS8PNlZ0pqcGXsOyVrA&s=19


Even these stars are just as human as well the fans are, so it okay to let a little bit of emotion sets in.
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July 25, 2022, 06:33:47 PM
I don't think it will be that bad since its Brown and draft picks. Yes he's an important part of the team but replacing him with KD would not totally disrupt the team rhythm since the Celtics still have the role players. This could actually play out well for the team in the short term. Tatum will most likely continue to be the team facilitator because we know Durant isn't a ball hog and has no problem moving without the ball.

Brooklyn Nets are not dumb to just take Brown and the future draft picks.

They want to maximize as much as they can the good trade package they can get from Kevin Durant. It's not just Brown but for sure Nets are also asking for more which includes the key players of the Boston Celtics and might be, Jayson Tatum too.

I hope Nets won't get a trade package deal to trade Durant. This is to give Durant a problem and a lesson as well. If that happened, Durant will play on the Nets even he don't like it or not. Or the worst case, if the Nets didn't find any good trade package but are eager to trade Durant, they will end up trading him with a small package.

As soon as the Nets say taytum Celtics are hanging up.  Taytum is the future of Boston basketball even if they get Durant.  Giving up taytum in any package is going to make them a worse team.  I can see brown going and a couple picks.  Durant has 4 years on his contract its not like they only get em for a year or 2.  Someone is going to have to shed a lot of assets if they want him.
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July 25, 2022, 06:31:36 PM
I don't think it will be that bad since its Brown and draft picks. Yes he's an important part of the team but replacing him with KD would not totally disrupt the team rhythm since the Celtics still have the role players. This could actually play out well for the team in the short term. Tatum will most likely continue to be the team facilitator because we know Durant isn't a ball hog and has no problem moving without the ball.

Brooklyn Nets are not dumb to just take Brown and the future draft picks.

They want to maximize as much as they can the good trade package they can get from Kevin Durant. It's not just Brown but for sure Nets are also asking for more which includes the key players of the Boston Celtics and might be, Jayson Tatum too.

I hope Nets won't get a trade package deal to trade Durant. This is to give Durant a problem and a lesson as well. If that happened, Durant will play on the Nets even he don't like it or not. Or the worst case, if the Nets didn't find any good trade package but are eager to trade Durant, they will end up trading him with a small package.
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July 25, 2022, 06:22:52 PM
This made a lot of news and I've seen it almost everywhere. I guess that he's going to be part of the deal or he doesn't like the deal because it will trade a lot of the players that he used to play with. Boston doesn't really need to get into this trade with KD. Look at the other teams, they're just ignoring this trade and yet they're on it, they should do better and just avoid the trade since this trade from Nets is asking a lot not just from their key players but also from their good first picks. That's what I think and they're already a strong team and KD is now prone in injuries.
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July 25, 2022, 06:21:01 PM


Teams are still still actively pursuing Durant, the last time I check is Phoenix, Heat and Utah.
Phoenix cannot afford Durant now that they resigned Ayton. Utah is still a possibility, but I doubt Durant has interest in Utah once they trade Donovan Mitchell. Miami may be the only suitor for Durant if they could get a deal done that doesn't include Jimmy Butler or Bam.

I doubt Utah wants Durant they would have to give up all the picks they just got from Minnesota.  Utah is in full tank mode trying to get as many picks as they can like okc did to start from scratch.  Durant doesn't move the needle for them they gave up once they traded gobert.

Durant for Mitchelle, is it possible? if this will happen then Utah Jazz will become a better team, they have a good scorer, a clutch one and they have a good defense, but I think the chance of this happening is very low.

About Durant getting traded to the Heat, I think Heat will lose more role players and probably one of their stars, if the Heat will choose between Butler and Bam, Bam might be put on a trade.

No way Utah does that.  They are in full tank mode.  Why get Durant and surround him with nothing.  They want picks and young talent to build around a LA okc.  I have a feeling they are tanking to go all in on the vicor wembanyama sweepstakes in the draft next year.  It's a pick haul or they will keep donovan to deal him at the deadline with a fringe team looking for a boost and desperate.
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July 25, 2022, 05:55:30 PM
This trade discussions involving Brown and Durant may effect the Celtics  negatively whether it pushes through or not.

If it pushes through, it will disrupt the established chemistry that the team build through their young cores. And they are not assured that Durant and Tatum tandem will click. And it can also disrupt Tatum's development as the alpha of the team. This may lead them not achieving anything. This can affect Tatum's decisions when he becomes free agency. Worst comes to worst, Durant will leave them disarrayed just how he leaves his former teams.
I don't think it will be that bad since its Brown and draft picks. Yes he's an important part of the team but replacing him with KD would not totally disrupt the team rhythm since the Celtics still have the role players. This could actually play out well for the team in the short term. Tatum will most likely continue to be the team facilitator because we know Durant isn't a ball hog and has no problem moving without the ball.

Yes it does because Nets wants Brown, Smart, draft picks and possible a role player. I do not think Nets will take the trade if it is just brown and picks. It will be a totally new dynamics within the team and that can go either way. Can be very good and they win or the other way around.

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If it does not push through, it may affect the relationship of the management with brown and eventually affects the team. After the performance that Brown showed last season, specially in the finals, he will be disgruntled to know that Celtics still considered him a trading piece.  A disgruntled star athlete will have bad performance
I am yet to see a social media rant from Brown. I would be disappointed in him if he starts acting like a Diva like Kyrie or Ben.

He is shaking his head though.

https://twitter.com/FCHWPO/status/1551581600973959168?t=ql6MS8PNlZ0pqcGXsOyVrA&s=19
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July 25, 2022, 05:27:37 PM
This trade discussions involving Brown and Durant may effect the Celtics  negatively whether it pushes through or not.

If it pushes through, it will disrupt the established chemistry that the team build through their young cores. And they are not assured that Durant and Tatum tandem will click. And it can also disrupt Tatum's development as the alpha of the team. This may lead them not achieving anything. This can affect Tatum's decisions when he becomes free agency. Worst comes to worst, Durant will leave them disarrayed just how he leaves his former teams.
I don't think it will be that bad since its Brown and draft picks. Yes he's an important part of the team but replacing him with KD would not totally disrupt the team rhythm since the Celtics still have the role players. This could actually play out well for the team in the short term. Tatum will most likely continue to be the team facilitator because we know Durant isn't a ball hog and has no problem moving without the ball.

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If it does not push through, it may affect the relationship of the management with brown and eventually affects the team. After the performance that Brown showed last season, specially in the finals, he will be disgruntled to know that Celtics still considered him a trading piece.  A disgruntled star athlete will have bad performance
I am yet to see a social media rant from Brown. I would be disappointed in him if he starts acting like a Diva like Kyrie or Ben.
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July 25, 2022, 05:16:03 PM
This trade discussions involving Brown and Durant may effect the Celtics  negatively whether it pushes through or not.

If it pushes through, it will disrupt the established chemistry that the team build through their young cores. And they are not assured that Durant and Tatum tandem will click. And it can also disrupt Tatum's development as the alpha of the team. This may lead them not achieving anything. This can affect Tatum's decisions when he becomes free agency. Worst comes to worst, Durant will leave them disarrayed just how he leaves his former teams.

If it does not push through, it may affect the relationship of the management with brown and eventually affects the team. After the performance that Brown showed last season, specially in the finals, he will be disgruntled to know that Celtics still considered him a trading piece.  A disgruntled star athlete will have bad performance
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^^ I was surprised though about the picks that they are willing just to get Durant.

For me it doesn't make sense to have the many, it's going to be a big risk for the Celtics. Their team is already solid behind Tatum, they have reach the finals already, now they have the experience already. And it's going to be close to suicide if the trade bait is Brown and then those picks, doesn't make sense.

It will make sense if Tatum will decide to be traded and go to another team he like but this will not happen for now since I think Tatum have the same mentality with Kobe which is he want to stick with one team on his career if possible.

But for involving brown on this possible trade maybe this is bit hilarious on their side because they already prove that Brown can fit with their system so this is totally a huge risk for them if they trade the young brown which have more possibilities to dominate more than Durant which his career is almost at the peak.

I believe he will because he is the leader of the team and I believe he will value what the management did for him, he was given a good contract, so he is very motivated to win a championship. The team is still young and so as Tatum, but for sure as they continue to improve their bond, one day they win a championship.

That's why they should not trade their young cores, Durant is injury prone already and brown or Tatum if they have plans is so young he also save their asses on finals since Both of the guys provide solid contribution which give head ache to Warriors. Maybe they don't speed up the process by thinking Durant could give them the ring because they almost there with their current line up and best to stay both of guys since chemistry is already there and much better if they just maximize their resources by their current line up.
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July 25, 2022, 04:58:20 PM
It will make sense if Tatum will decide to be traded and go to another team he like but this will not happen for now since I think Tatum have the same mentality with Kobe which is he want to stick with one team on his career if possible.

But for involving brown on this possible trade maybe this is bit hilarious on their side because they already prove that Brown can fit with their system so this is totally a huge risk for them if they trade the young brown which have more possibilities to dominate more than Durant which his career is almost at the peak.
I do agree that Tatum "could" get traded to another team and he could win a title in another team. Like for example if Sixers had Tatum then things would be so much different. But at the end of the day, we are talking about a big star player who is a young one, so he would be great for another 10 years at least, all teams would want him.

But at the end of the day, Tatum will stay, he is great in Celtics and he has the reigns there, for example Brown was also seen at the same level, and that wasn't really paying off and Tatum took over a bit. Boston will do everything in their power to keep Tatum and pay him max and will give him all the incentives to keep him t here.
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