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legendary
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July 27, 2022, 10:47:24 AM
The asking price set by the Nets for Durant's services seem to be too high, which has stalled a lot of teams to get out of negotiations early on.

They are trying to fleece the NBA for talents and draft picks because  they mortgage their future to get Durant, Kyrie and Harden to win them championships. But alas, those players did not play coherently and instead wanted out of the team. Harden is already out. If they don't get anything valuable in exchange for Durant, they will never be able to rebuild since they do not have draft picks in like 5 years. They are in a mess and what they can make out of the trade of Durant will somehow give them a chance to be at least competitive.

I forgot who says that with the way the league is built right now with super teams, it will take at least 3 great players to win. So if we do the math, Tatum and then Durant might not be an effective weapons in the East and it will be hard to win a championship with just the 2 of them and again, there is the question of blending as well.
But the Golden State Warriors is not a super team. They just branded them with that name. Those guys put hard work in their career to achieve greatness.
Draymond cannot even shoot, his stats also went down from an average of near triple-double to almost not reaching a double-double this year.
Klay was not on his greatest career anymore. It's all teamwork that made them strong.
I still believe it's about chemistry but signing in mercenaries like Durant may also work just like how the Raptors won a championship by hiring Kawhi to help them out.


They may not started a super team but they are now. It is the result of all the hard work their core players have done.  And with the addition of the young role players, they are getting stronger.

If that's the case then KD will remain to play with Kyrie and they just need to fix their play to make it different from the last season where they really struggle to synchronize and have some chemistry issues with the new traded players.

Honestly, I don't expect the Nets can do something impressive next season, even if Irving and Durant will stay on the team. The problem is that Durant might not perform as well, and he might also have some issues with his teammates after all since he has expressed his desire to leave the team. At the same time, Irving seems to be unpredictable. I mean, if there's another pandemic and mandatory vaccinations, Irving will probably miss part of the season because of his beliefs again.

If they choose to play, they can be very good. It is the attitude that destroys them. The Nets netted a number of good players with terrible professional attitude.
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July 27, 2022, 10:11:34 AM
I hope Nets won't get a trade package deal to trade Durant. This is to give Durant a problem and a lesson as well. If that happened, Durant will play on the Nets even he don't like it or not. Or the worst case, if the Nets didn't find any good trade package but are eager to trade Durant, they will end up trading him with a small package.

I think that this might be the nearest case and actually, I can see that Durant will stay wearing the same jersey whether he likes it or not as well as Irving because the Nets surely know that they should get a good deal in exchange for Durant and Irving, and not taking short deals that will lead to disappointments again. The Nets still have another problem, I'm not forgetting this stubborn Simmons.

The Nets were the biggest joke in the NBA. They have stacked too much superstars and got swept by the Boston Celtics in the first round. Now, Durant really wants to add up to the joke heading to the team who defeated them so badly this year. This is a very similar moves when he joined the GSW. He literally lived in a saying "can't beat them? Join them" lol.
They could actually re-run the full healthy roster next season, instead of running around looking for another team.

I disagree with the term of the being the biggest joke, I'm not a Nets fan but I understand that the Nets management was just happy to give their duo a millionaire contract because they have been on the team for 3 or 4 years now, it's just that they haven't expected that Durant will request for a trade after a year from signing his extension. They have just recently acquired Harden last year but also forced a trade because he didn't really understand what's happening to the team.
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July 27, 2022, 09:52:04 AM
If that's the case then KD will remain to play with Kyrie and they just need to fix their play to make it different from the last season where they really struggle to synchronize and have some chemistry issues with the new traded players.

Honestly, I don't expect the Nets can do something impressive next season, even if Irving and Durant will stay on the team. The problem is that Durant might not perform as well, and he might also have some issues with his teammates after all since he has expressed his desire to leave the team. At the same time, Irving seems to be unpredictable. I mean, if there's another pandemic and mandatory vaccinations, Irving will probably miss part of the season because of his beliefs again.

That will hurt the Nets fans and they will hate Durant. As an NBA player, he is paid and he has to perform, otherwise the team could penalize him or will be force not to pay him if he will deliberately perform lower than his capacity just to send a message to the team that he should be traded.

The organization should have strict rules for any players that will not play properly or deliberately.

Aside from penalizing or not being paid, the league should also have long suspensions for players not demand that much after
signing the contract.

It's insane since Nets invested a lot of money in KD during his rehab and now that he's much healthy, he should play for them
and bring the best for this franchise.
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July 27, 2022, 08:08:35 AM
If that's the case then KD will remain to play with Kyrie and they just need to fix their play to make it different from the last season where they really struggle to synchronize and have some chemistry issues with the new traded players.
Honestly, I don't expect the Nets can do something impressive next season, even if Irving and Durant will stay on the team. The problem is that Durant might not perform as well, and he might also have some issues with his teammates after all since he has expressed his desire to leave the team. At the same time, Irving seems to be unpredictable. I mean, if there's another pandemic and mandatory vaccinations, Irving will probably miss part of the season because of his beliefs again.
That will hurt the Nets fans and they will hate Durant. As an NBA player, he is paid and he has to perform, otherwise the team could penalize him or will be force not to pay him if he will deliberately perform lower than his capacity just to send a message to the team that he should be traded.
That will just keep them hurting, both players wanted to out and want to go separate ways, I wouldn't be surprised if ticket sales will even decrease due to this, just a wild guess but possible. How about Ben Simmons? Last update from last month says he's still out, seems indefinitely out?
it's wise if the Nets will trade Durant, at least one of the two will be traded so the one superstar that is left will feel that he is the only leader. Before, I like Durant, I thought he is a real NBA star, but with how things are going recently, it only tells that he already surrendered easily and believe he could not carry a team to be a championship team if the other star will not perform like a real star.

He didn't mean that he surrender about not carrying a team only people who keep looking at his career after he left the warriors told that. People are so exaggerated about this since some of warriors fans just want to mock Durant for leaving Warriors.

He is really a good addition on any team but the question there if he could really fit the system and have good chemistry to young Celtics or other team.
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July 27, 2022, 07:10:09 AM
If that's the case then KD will remain to play with Kyrie and they just need to fix their play to make it different from the last season where they really struggle to synchronize and have some chemistry issues with the new traded players.
Honestly, I don't expect the Nets can do something impressive next season, even if Irving and Durant will stay on the team. The problem is that Durant might not perform as well, and he might also have some issues with his teammates after all since he has expressed his desire to leave the team. At the same time, Irving seems to be unpredictable. I mean, if there's another pandemic and mandatory vaccinations, Irving will probably miss part of the season because of his beliefs again.
That will hurt the Nets fans and they will hate Durant. As an NBA player, he is paid and he has to perform, otherwise the team could penalize him or will be force not to pay him if he will deliberately perform lower than his capacity just to send a message to the team that he should be traded.
That will just keep them hurting, both players wanted to out and want to go separate ways, I wouldn't be surprised if ticket sales will even decrease due to this, just a wild guess but possible. How about Ben Simmons? Last update from last month says he's still out, seems indefinitely out?
it's wise if the Nets will trade Durant, at least one of the two will be traded so the one superstar that is left will feel that he is the only leader. Before, I like Durant, I thought he is a real NBA star, but with how things are going recently, it only tells that he already surrendered easily and believe he could not carry a team to be a championship team if the other star will not perform like a real star.
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July 27, 2022, 07:04:16 AM
If that's the case then KD will remain to play with Kyrie and they just need to fix their play to make it different from the last season where they really struggle to synchronize and have some chemistry issues with the new traded players.
Honestly, I don't expect the Nets can do something impressive next season, even if Irving and Durant will stay on the team. The problem is that Durant might not perform as well, and he might also have some issues with his teammates after all since he has expressed his desire to leave the team. At the same time, Irving seems to be unpredictable. I mean, if there's another pandemic and mandatory vaccinations, Irving will probably miss part of the season because of his beliefs again.
That will hurt the Nets fans and they will hate Durant. As an NBA player, he is paid and he has to perform, otherwise the team could penalize him or will be force not to pay him if he will deliberately perform lower than his capacity just to send a message to the team that he should be traded.
That will just keep them hurting, both players wanted to out and want to go separate ways, I wouldn't be surprised if ticket sales will even decrease due to this, just a wild guess but possible. How about Ben Simmons? Last update from last month says he's still out, seems indefinitely out?
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July 27, 2022, 06:44:39 AM
If that's the case then KD will remain to play with Kyrie and they just need to fix their play to make it different from the last season where they really struggle to synchronize and have some chemistry issues with the new traded players.

Honestly, I don't expect the Nets can do something impressive next season, even if Irving and Durant will stay on the team. The problem is that Durant might not perform as well, and he might also have some issues with his teammates after all since he has expressed his desire to leave the team. At the same time, Irving seems to be unpredictable. I mean, if there's another pandemic and mandatory vaccinations, Irving will probably miss part of the season because of his beliefs again.

That will hurt the Nets fans and they will hate Durant. As an NBA player, he is paid and he has to perform, otherwise the team could penalize him or will be force not to pay him if he will deliberately perform lower than his capacity just to send a message to the team that he should be traded.
legendary
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July 27, 2022, 06:35:33 AM
If that's the case then KD will remain to play with Kyrie and they just need to fix their play to make it different from the last season where they really struggle to synchronize and have some chemistry issues with the new traded players.

Honestly, I don't expect the Nets can do something impressive next season, even if Irving and Durant will stay on the team. The problem is that Durant might not perform as well, and he might also have some issues with his teammates after all since he has expressed his desire to leave the team. At the same time, Irving seems to be unpredictable. I mean, if there's another pandemic and mandatory vaccinations, Irving will probably miss part of the season because of his beliefs again.
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July 27, 2022, 06:29:40 AM
After having a wonderful season and reaching even the finale, I'm going to wonder what Boston Celtics will do in the new season. They were so close to win a championship after a break of so many years. However Warriors didn't let them do it. If Celtics don't make too big changes in their system I still believe that they can make it sooner or later. But their job is still going to be difficult of course. I wonder if they are thinking of changing some of the players in their roster. I hope the changes wouldn't be for their best players.
They do not have to make any drastic changes in their line up. Their starting is very young aside from Horford. That is good core and now they have an experience in the finals, they will develop more. An adjustment could bt to let Al Horford be on bench and put someone younger but equally talented to take his place in the starting line up. They do not have to trade Horford but keep him to keep the team anchored since they need a veteran guidance.

Actually I think the same as you too. The chemistry in the team would reach higher levels in time as long as they don't decide to rebuild the team suddenly. When it comes to Horford I believe that he is still performing really decently despite being 36 years old now. Maybe they can make slight changes but this shouldn't affect the main starting five players much. This team deserve to play in the final series once again and to reach the championship at the end as well.

They know they can reach the NBA finals but that's not only their goal, but their main goal is also to win a championship, and maybe adding Durant that will increase their chance of achieving that goal. It's very important that they will make a careful decision, otherwise, the expectation might be opposite of the outcome.
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July 27, 2022, 03:54:39 AM
After having a wonderful season and reaching even the finale, I'm going to wonder what Boston Celtics will do in the new season. They were so close to win a championship after a break of so many years. However Warriors didn't let them do it. If Celtics don't make too big changes in their system I still believe that they can make it sooner or later. But their job is still going to be difficult of course. I wonder if they are thinking of changing some of the players in their roster. I hope the changes wouldn't be for their best players.
They do not have to make any drastic changes in their line up. Their starting is very young aside from Horford. That is good core and now they have an experience in the finals, they will develop more. An adjustment could bt to let Al Horford be on bench and put someone younger but equally talented to take his place in the starting line up. They do not have to trade Horford but keep him to keep the team anchored since they need a veteran guidance.

Actually I think the same as you too. The chemistry in the team would reach higher levels in time as long as they don't decide to rebuild the team suddenly. When it comes to Horford I believe that he is still performing really decently despite being 36 years old now. Maybe they can make slight changes but this shouldn't affect the main starting five players much. This team deserve to play in the final series once again and to reach the championship at the end as well.
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July 27, 2022, 03:17:03 AM

The Nets aren't likely to settle for anything less, and they will probably keep Durant next season if other teams can't offer anything. As for Harden's trade, I wouldn't say the Nets didn't get anything for him. Sure, Ben Simmons is absolutely useless to the team, and Drummond has already signed with the Bulls. However, the Nets also got Curry who has progressed well, and I think he'll perform even better next season.

If that's the case then KD will remain to play with Kyrie and they just need to fix their play to make it different from the last season where they really struggle to synchronize and have some chemistry issues with the new traded players. Of course, Seth Curry is no doubt a sharpshooter like his brother but he didn't get a chance to improve it when he was in the 76ers because as we know, he still has lots of misses however if he managed to somehow find a way to improve it right now in Nets, I'm sure he will be a nice addition to the team to change the course of their play to finally have a chance to compete in the NBA finals.
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July 27, 2022, 03:05:02 AM
I understand why Nets would want a very high price for Durant, but I also understand why other teams do not want to deal their entire future for him as well. What this leaves us with is the fact that they will try to trade him, fail to do so, and then it will end up another Harden situation. They got basically nothing in return of Harden, supposedly they got Simmons but they haven't even seen him play yet, and on top of that even if he does, he wasn't worthy of a Harden trade neither. Which is why Nets may get another one of those, they will end up with something not so terrible, but not worthy of Durant in the end.

The Nets aren't likely to settle for anything less, and they will probably keep Durant next season if other teams can't offer anything. As for Harden's trade, I wouldn't say the Nets didn't get anything for him. Sure, Ben Simmons is absolutely useless to the team, and Drummond has already signed with the Bulls. However, the Nets also got Curry who has progressed well, and I think he'll perform even better next season.
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July 27, 2022, 02:59:10 AM
I forgot who says that with the way the league is built right now with super teams, it will take at least 3 great players to win. So if we do the math, Tatum and then Durant might not be an effective weapons in the East and it will be hard to win a championship with just the 2 of them and again, there is the question of blending as well.
But the Golden State Warriors is not a super team. They just branded them with that name. Those guys put hard work in their career to achieve greatness.
Draymond cannot even shoot, his stats also went down from an average of near triple-double to almost not reaching a double-double this year.
Klay was not on his greatest career anymore. It's all teamwork that made them strong.
I still believe it's about chemistry but signing in mercenaries like Durant may also work just like how the Raptors won a championship by hiring Kawhi to help them out.
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July 27, 2022, 01:11:23 AM
I hope Nets won't get a trade package deal to trade Durant. This is to give Durant a problem and a lesson as well. If that happened, Durant will play on the Nets even he don't like it or not. Or the worst case, if the Nets didn't find any good trade package but are eager to trade Durant, they will end up trading him with a small package.

I think that this might be the nearest case and actually, I can see that Durant will stay wearing the same jersey whether he likes it or not as well as Irving because the Nets surely know that they should get a good deal in exchange for Durant and Irving, and not taking short deals that will lead to disappointments again. The Nets still have another problem, I'm not forgetting this stubborn Simmons.

The Nets were the biggest joke in the NBA. They have stacked too much superstars and got swept by the Boston Celtics in the first round. Now, Durant really wants to add up to the joke heading to the team who defeated them so badly this year. This is a very similar moves when he joined the GSW. He literally lived in a saying "can't beat them? Join them" lol.
They could actually re-run the full healthy roster next season, instead of running around looking for another team.
That's the reason why many teams doesn't want to give too much players and draft picks to the Nets because they know that Durant can't carry a team and he is just joining an established team like the Warriors where he got 2 Finals MVP and 2 titles but with Steph and Klay. When he was on the Thunder with Russ and Harden and Ibaka, they are a great team at that time but can't win a title for some reasons and they literally blew a 3-1 lead against the Warriors at that time.

Durant heading to Celtics really is a joke but since there is trade talks happening, there is a chance that it would happen. The problem is the Nets are asking for too much from the Celtics. Brown + Smart + draft picks + rotational player? Nah I'd rather stick to my players or find some bench players if I were the Celtics management. Nets are asking too much with the other teams that's why until now, they can't trade Durant and he is still in the Nets.
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July 27, 2022, 12:47:07 AM

Agree with Draymond there. It's dumb to compare eras where in the first place, teams or players involved in that discussion didn't have a chance to meet in the actual game. We can say that MJ can eat LeBron alive or vice-versa, Golden State Warriors' 2017 lineup can stop the 1998 Chicago Bulls if they will meet at the finals, and any other comparisons we are seeing today. But if these teams and players meet in the same era, for sure there will be adjustments for them both in their respective gameplay.

In other words, there's no exact reference to how can we even compare the past and current exactly.

I Agree, there is no need to compare and I think it is pretty much crucial on what is happening right now, the past is just a past that can not be compared to the future, I think if Michael Jordan has 6 Rings and Stephen Curry right now has 4 we can not decide that Jordan is more dominant when he played with Curry now, we fans should not decide for themselves because it will surely be biased, for others and there is really no need for us to do that for me what important is what's happening now,


The match-up you have mentioned might not happen. Let's don't talk about the Warriors' defense as what they will do against the Chicago Bulls or the Utah Jazz if ever we will have a simulation of their matchup, will be draining more 3s at the outside area.

The Warriors are covering their poor defense with a great offense where big players of Bulls or Jazz will be useless at some point.

I also agree I think the Warriors have proven their dominance, in the finals, but surely it will then be change and balance on the trade, I may not agree on certain trades that are happening now, it will be on the management's decision if they will trade their All-star player with a younger but has a big potential to improve, and comparing the past teams or players with the present, because we will never be going anywhere, in that kind of discussion,


Indeed! The Boston Celtics should just focus on improving their current roster rather than tagging and adding along a player that will probably take some time to fit-in in their system. They reached the Finals last season all because of the hard work of the team, now they are more dangerous because they now have more experience from the last season. Surely they've picked up some lessons from facing heavy teams from the start of playoffs until they got in the Finals.

I like what you are going at, and I totally agree, for me, it is a mistake in getting an unfamiliar Kevin Durant to fit the team, for me Boston Celtics is a powerful team that went to the finals because of hard work, and now that Jayson Tatum, Marcus Smart, and Jaylen Brown have gone an experience in losing in the finals they will surely have the mentality in not experiencing it anymore, and I think the 3 along with other defensive players of the Celtics will surely come and handy, and after all, they have stopped the duo of Kyrie Irving and Kevin Durant and sweep them on the Eastern Conference first-round series after all,

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July 27, 2022, 12:15:12 AM
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I forgot who says that with the way the league is built right now with super teams, it will take at least 3 great players to win.
I don't know if you're referring to Dirk but I remember him saying those lines in an interview during a playoff series against OKC. At that time, the young trio of KD, Westbrook, and Harden were returning the favor to the defending champ by sweeping them too. It was also the time when Harden stepped up (from the bench) terrorizing the Dallas defense and made a name for himself.
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July 27, 2022, 12:08:52 AM
Yeah, no doubt that Durant is a good player, won MVP honors with the Warriors though, with Steph, Thompson and Green. But him alone with the Nets? it didn't work that well.

I forgot who says that with the way the league is built right now with super teams, it will take at least 3 great players to win. So if we do the math, Tatum and then Durant might not be an effective weapons in the East and it will be hard to win a championship with just the 2 of them and again, there is the question of blending as well.

He only won Finals MVP during the time when they dominate the league. Well, obviously he will win because he is the one who scores a lot for the team, but the thing is, the Warriors are already a championship team before he joined, now his greatness is tested if he can carry the Nets to be a championship team.
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July 26, 2022, 11:34:09 PM
Of course, for now Tatum is untouchable, and we can see that Boston want's him to be the franchise player. And then know that even if they were able to acquire Durant, for sure he will not stay that long for them, maybe max is 3 years.

The leverage though might be too much for Boston, Brown and Smart and then multiple picks. So I don't see the Boston Celtics to just let go of their two stars with future picks. But good move on the part of the Nets, and see if Celtics are willing to strike that deal.

If Boston will take that deal, it's a best trade for the Nets. Smart and Brown are both promising stars that have good futures from the league,

letting Durant go for these two and with the two future picks would really favor them. Not sure how Boston will take this one and if they

are really interested and make it happen. Another question is on how KD and JT will jive and blend their games. Oh well, that's how the league

works now, trades and switch teams is a business not a career concern now.. Wink

Yeah it is really just is how the league is right now. KD and the rest of the Celtics who would remain would find a way to gel / play together. That would definitely be giving up a lot for the Celtics, but if I were them I’d to close to whatever it took to get Durant as he brings you that much closer to a potential championship.

Brown and Smart are just ordinary players unlike Durant who is proven to be a superstar, he has won multiple finals MVP and has won a champion, I guess that would make the Celtics stronger if they will succeed in getting Durant. Who knows, they might win a championship next season.

Yeah, no doubt that Durant is a good player, won MVP honors with the Warriors though, with Steph, Thompson and Green. But him alone with the Nets? it didn't work that well.

I forgot who says that with the way the league is built right now with super teams, it will take at least 3 great players to win. So if we do the math, Tatum and then Durant might not be an effective weapons in the East and it will be hard to win a championship with just the 2 of them and again, there is the question of blending as well.
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July 26, 2022, 09:55:44 PM
The asking price set by the Nets for Durant's services seem to be too high, which has stalled a lot of teams to get out of negotiations early on. Celtics still seem to be interested but I don't think it'll happen as things stand. Only possible way is for Durant to force a move out of the Nets which could eventually happen. Getting back to Celtics, Brown + few picks + 1 more player might do the trick if all things align.

I think that's the right term, asking price. But who wouldn't want to ask for more when they have invested their franchise on this man to do one thing, bring them championship and they give him power to even recruit his friend Kyrie Irving but it didn't work very well.

So let's hear what other teams are going to offer in exchange of Durant, it seems that no one is going to take a huge risk on Durant.
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July 26, 2022, 06:51:33 PM
I understand why Nets would want a very high price for Durant, but I also understand why other teams do not want to deal their entire future for him as well. What this leaves us with is the fact that they will try to trade him, fail to do so, and then it will end up another Harden situation. They got basically nothing in return of Harden, supposedly they got Simmons but they haven't even seen him play yet, and on top of that even if he does, he wasn't worthy of a Harden trade neither. Which is why Nets may get another one of those, they will end up with something not so terrible, but not worthy of Durant in the end.
It's a normal business in the NBA for this type of trade. The Nets invested that much with KD before and they want to get the most equivalent value from him as they release him from their roster. If Celtics will remove their interest, I wonder how the Nets would react and for sure they won't demand much anymore as long as they release KD on their roster and get maybe 1 or 2 players that are younger and could be a star player on their main roster. Well, are there those fans that want this trade to be off as the demand of Nets is that much so they would end up with nothing?
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