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July 18, 2022, 06:00:32 AM
Just finished talking to a friend who is a big fan of Blake Griffin. Told him he is a free agent now.
What team do you think this 2009 number 1 draft pick will end up to?
He is just 33 years old, may not be a strong impact on the offensive end but he may be able to still help defensively.

Perhaps the Chicago Bulls? we all know that Blake is already way past his prime, his best years where with the Clippers with CP3. But when he got injured, no more high flying acts for him, but he did try to evolved and be a good 3 point shooter and a defender just like what he did with the Nets.

And the Bulls needed some veteran and experience players. Especially in close out games and during the playoff as well. If some savvy veteran like Blake can mentor Lavine and him also helping like in defense and rebounds in like 10-15 minutes a game, he will be a big help for the Bulls.

Blake still has a career IMO, he can still be useful to any team, and the fact that he is not expensive as he was before, he can easily be added to a roster of a team that needs an experienced big man. How about the Warriors? Maybe that will give him a chance to win a championship since the Warriors are a great team.
Good choices. Bulls need a veteran while the Warriors are aiming for cheap players but could contribute even just on the defensive end.
Perhaps they could offer him a veteran minimum contract like Iggy.
Oh and speaking of Iggy, there also no offer for him yet but he is joking around about going back to the Warriors 1 more time.
https://www.audacy.com/957thegame/sports/golden-state-warriors/joe-lacob-andre-iguodala-joke-about-new-contract-on-podcast
So to conclude, Griffin should be aiming for teams with young players and help out by feeding veteran perspective.
Sad to see it turning out like that after his high flying career.
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July 18, 2022, 05:57:32 AM
Anyone heard of James Harden taking a $15 million pay cut with the Sixers?

He basically wanted to have players that can help the team win a championship with him and Joel Embid. Not sure if this is true though, but in any case, it seems James Harden goal next season is to win that championship. He has a lot of individual accolades and for sure he doesn't want to retire without even a ring.
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July 18, 2022, 05:50:06 AM
Well, Westbrook could stay with the Lakers, but what if the Lakers will decide to trade him? He has no choice but to accept his faith because whether he likes it or not, it's very evident that he is not helping the Lakers achieve their goal to win a championship again.
Saw some article rumor just recently that it's likely that Westbrook will be traded to Spurs while Kyrie to replace him in Lakers.

It seems that you're saying is really possible to happen but until it's official and there's not yet actual statement, it should remain as a rumor. But yeah, it's very likely that he'll be traded if the Lakers decides.

There really is nothing he can do if he'll be traded then.
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July 18, 2022, 05:38:42 AM
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The problem is that if he stays with the Lakers, it will only be the best option for him, but not for the team.
I see an unmotivated Russ so yes it's bad for the team but it's also bad for him. He really wants to be out that's why he fired his agent who suggested he stays. Westbrook is not some no name and newbie anymore. I think he is already at a point where he cares more where he can play happily than the money he gets.
Maybe. But I disagree with unmotivated Russ.
He doesn't have a championship yet so he still has that aim to achieve. My take on this is he is looking for a real championship caliber and he just doesn't see it in the Lakers team anymore that's why he fired his agent who is opposing his decision.
There's a big problem though. His salary is succumbing the whole roster which makes it difficult for other teams to create a championship caliber roster.
That's why he is best suited for a team with a broad salary cap like the Lakers. That might be the reason of his agent on why he wants him to stay with them.

Well, Westbrook could stay with the Lakers, but what if the Lakers will decide to trade him? He has no choice but to accept his faith because whether he likes it or not, it's very evident that he is not helping the Lakers achieve their goal to win a championship again.
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July 18, 2022, 04:23:42 AM
Westbrook is 33 years old already and near to past his prime. He is athletic I agree with that and yes he is one of the most athletic and most explosive guards in the NBA. The problem is that, he doesn't fit with the system.
I agree with this one. Westbrook does not have the same explosiveness that he have before. He is still very athletic compare to others but the explosiveness that he needs to drive into the basket is simply lacking now. He cannot run as fast or jump as high as before.

... Same situation here but this time it's 3 of them. I don't know but LBJ and Russ kinda have the same way of playing. Scoring and passing and maybe that is also a reason why we don't see any chemistry with the team. No one wants to make adjustment for the betterment of the team and look how they played this whole season.
This must be a unpopular opinion but I think the one that needs to adjust is Lebron. Since he is the one who brought WB into the team, he should let WB play to his natural position. Anyway, Lebron can play all positions, except may be as center, because of his skill, talent and athleticism. WB can drive, can be a good PG but what he cannot do is to consistently shoot. He have poor shooting average. If Lebron can give way and let WB be point guard and Lebron can be the receiving end for the outside shooting. Maybe they could fair better.  I am not confident though if they have not tried this set up last season.
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July 18, 2022, 03:50:25 AM

That's the problem. They cannot rush it. KD is such a gem, you cannot just give him away for anyone. This is like an investment made by the Brooklyn Nets and they know they can exhange him for something fair or more.
It's not their problem if other teams could not equal the proposed exchange that they want.
The amount of money the Nets had spent when Durant was not playing was enormous so it would be best if they could maximized the trade that they want.
2 years, they paid him 2 years without play time.

I really think the Brooklyn Nets will surely want to get back their investment on getting Kevin Durant, so they are very desperate on getting him traded for a higher price and some players on the team, which is reasonable, in my opinion, but Donovan Mitchell is not a bad trade for the Brooklyn Nets if they can get a trade with the Suns, with Kevin Durant so it is really not a bad idea, but Mitchell wants to be on the New York Knicks, that is why this trade is pretty much hard to take, that will be in Fruition when the Suns can get Mitchell from the Jazz,


If Westbrook plays like he did last season, there is no chance any team will offer him another maximum 5-year contract. However, Westbrook still has a player option on his current contract, and he will likely use it to earn another $47 million next season. The problem is that if he stays with the Lakers, it will only be the best option for him, but not for the team.

It will be a win for him, but not for the Los Angeles Lakers, this is very depressing to hear that the triple-double king is now the center of conversation among the Lakers fans, they are saying that they don't want Russell Westbrook on the team anymore, hearing such things will surely make him depressed, I think he needs to pick up his self and prove his worth next season, but if he would play just the same as the last season then this is going to be his last, in my opinion,


Westbrook is 33 years old already and near to past his prime. He is athletic I agree with that and yes he is one of the most athletic and most explosive guards in the NBA. The problem is that, he doesn't fit with the system.

Remember when Westbrook is with Harden in the Rockets, many expected that they will be an explosive duo at that season but what happened? It's a disaster and they aren't a good duo together. Same situation here but this time it's 3 of them. I don't know but LBJ and Russ kinda have the same way of playing. Scoring and passing and maybe that is also a reason why we don't see any chemistry with the team. No one wants to make adjustment for the betterment of the team and look how they played this whole season. I don't think some push is necessary right now because I think the Lakers are doing everything just to trade him. On the other hand, Westbrook also wants to be out in the Lakers as well and play with another team.

He is already 33 and I think he can still push his limits any further, I don't really like Russell Westbrook because he doesn't really fit well if a team has their own superstar, I think if the Brooklyn Nets, Kevin Durant, and Kyrie Irving was traded and gone to the other teams then I think he can surely fit the bill in filling in the Brooklyn Nets, while he is the only Superstar on that team his other teammates can now focus on defense and a little support on his offense, I think he wants to be a one-man army and be relevant again,
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July 18, 2022, 01:53:37 AM
In Kyrie/Lakers news...  It seems the Nets are still unimpressed by the trade packages that the Lakers are offering them for Kyrie.  I'm not sure if I want Kyrie to go to the Lakers or not, but it would be one hell of a move for them to get Kyrie and lose Russell's contract with one move.
Still to early I guess and with what is happening right now between two teams, I believe that they will meet halfway and there will be a trade that will happen. LeGM and Kyrie the Lazy wants a reunion and the Lakers doesn't want Ninja Turtle (Westbrook) in a Laker uniform anymore because of how he played last season so I believe in the next few weeks, a blockbuster trade will happen between the 2 teams and same with KD as well. Many are waiting where Kyrie and KD will land this time including me. Smiley

I see an unmotivated Russ so yes it's bad for the team but it's also bad for him. He really wants to be out that's why he fired his agent who suggested he stays. Westbrook is not some no name and newbie anymore. I think he is already at a point where he cares more where he can play happily than the money he gets.

Russell Westbrook just needs some push. I don't see him as a hindrance to the Lakers' success. Maybe give him several games to work again on his consistency. Westbrook is still one of the most athletic guards in the NBA today. He also understands that he needs to cooperate with LBJ or AD and last season, he didn't show the behavior that he is the main scorer on the team. He just does his usual Westbrook stuff although the problem is, he is not consistent.
Westbrook is 33 years old already and near to past his prime. He is athletic I agree with that and yes he is one of the most athletic and most explosive guards in the NBA. The problem is that, he doesn't fit with the system.

Remember when Westbrook is with Harden in the Rockets, many expected that they will be an explosive duo at that season but what happened? It's a disaster and they aren't a good duo together. Same situation here but this time it's 3 of them. I don't know but LBJ and Russ kinda have the same way of playing. Scoring and passing and maybe that is also a reason why we don't see any chemistry with the team. No one wants to make adjustment for the betterment of the team and look how they played this whole season. I don't think some push is necessary right now because I think the Lakers are doing everything just to trade him. On the other hand, Westbrook also wants to be out in the Lakers as well and play with another team.
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July 18, 2022, 01:30:23 AM
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The problem is that if he stays with the Lakers, it will only be the best option for him, but not for the team.
I see an unmotivated Russ so yes it's bad for the team but it's also bad for him. He really wants to be out that's why he fired his agent who suggested he stays. Westbrook is not some no name and newbie anymore. I think he is already at a point where he cares more where he can play happily than the money he gets.
Maybe. But I disagree with unmotivated Russ.
He doesn't have a championship yet so he still has that aim to achieve. My take on this is he is looking for a real championship caliber and he just doesn't see it in the Lakers team anymore that's why he fired his agent who is opposing his decision.
There's a big problem though. His salary is succumbing the whole roster which makes it difficult for other teams to create a championship caliber roster.
That's why he is best suited for a team with a broad salary cap like the Lakers. That might be the reason of his agent on why he wants him to stay with them.
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July 18, 2022, 12:42:08 AM
I see an unmotivated Russ so yes it's bad for the team but it's also bad for him. He really wants to be out that's why he fired his agent who suggested he stays. Westbrook is not some no name and newbie anymore. I think he is already at a point where he cares more where he can play happily than the money he gets.

Russell Westbrook just needs some push. I don't see him as a hindrance to the Lakers' success. Maybe give him several games to work again on his consistency. Westbrook is still one of the most athletic guards in the NBA today. He also understands that he needs to cooperate with LBJ or AD and last season, he didn't show the behavior that he is the main scorer on the team. He just does his usual Westbrook stuff although the problem is, he is not consistent.

The Lakers have given him one season to improved already and be consistent. But his statistics goes down in the first year and for sure fans will agree that it was a disappointment seeing his performance like that with the Lakers. But in any case that we won't be traded, then obviously, he need to show something, Lebron game is still very high as recently we have seen him in the Drew league and still the same Lebron. So it's time for AD and WB to come up big this season.

They really need too, but the problem is not Davis because when he is healthy, he provides the best production he can give to the team, compared to Westbrook who are consistent in showing his inconsistency on the court.  Smiley
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July 18, 2022, 12:13:31 AM
Lebron is trying to keep it fresh, if I am not wrong there is one more season after this until Bronny JR could join right? That means at the end of this season he will be going to College, and after that in NBA. So Lebron wants to play for at least 3 more seasons, he would be about 40 years old when that happens.

Not impossible of course, at 37 dude was still a candidate for MVP, you may dislike what Lakers did all year but Lebron played efficiently and scored a ton of baskets, played with 30.3 ppg, and 52% fg, and had his highest 3 points made per game at 2.9 per game with 36% rate, these are all amazing offensive lines. Unless he gets injured, then he will keep playing until 40 easily, maybe not be a superstar by then, but he will be fine.

Actually it could be even 39, because at the start of the season he will eb 39. So I am guessing all these Drew League stuff and all, is his way of keeping in shape and still working out in basketball style instead of just fitness.

With all the money Lebron is spending to keep his body fit and NBA ready, he can play competitively even if he reaches 40. And lately, he is playing only one side of the court. He is more on offense and plays less defensively. Maybe that is one more adjustment to keep him healthy and avoid career ending injuries. And since he announced that he wants to play with Bronny, we know he will do anything to be still in best shape when Bronny enters the league.

If Westbrook plays like he did last season, there is no chance any team will offer him another maximum 5-year contract. However, Westbrook still has a player option on his current contract, and he will likely use it to earn another $47 million next season. The problem is that if he stays with the Lakers, it will only be the best option for him, but not for the team.
Money wise, it is the best option but career wise, it is not. He flourish in a team where he is the dominant ball handler. That will not happen in Lakers because Lebron will play point guard and he will still be second option.

I thought when a team matched they couldn't trade him to anyone for half a year then to the team that signed an offer sheet to him for a full year.  The whole point so they couldn't immediate flip into a trade going the system.  Either way Phoenix is in on ayton and pretty much out of the Durant chase.  Durant to Miami might be the play.

They cannot trade him until January 15, 2023. They can trade him after that period but Ayton has veto power on his contract. So he still have the final say on the trade.

Agreed but to the Pacers it's different it's for a whole year so even if ayton wouldn't veto it Suns can't trade him there.  That was the point with the Suns knee deep in co tracts and the key piece to a possible trade Durant looks like he is off the board for the Suns at least at this point in time.  Still think he lands on the heat at some point
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July 17, 2022, 11:47:35 PM
I see an unmotivated Russ so yes it's bad for the team but it's also bad for him. He really wants to be out that's why he fired his agent who suggested he stays. Westbrook is not some no name and newbie anymore. I think he is already at a point where he cares more where he can play happily than the money he gets.

Russell Westbrook just needs some push. I don't see him as a hindrance to the Lakers' success. Maybe give him several games to work again on his consistency. Westbrook is still one of the most athletic guards in the NBA today. He also understands that he needs to cooperate with LBJ or AD and last season, he didn't show the behavior that he is the main scorer on the team. He just does his usual Westbrook stuff although the problem is, he is not consistent.

The Lakers have given him one season to improved already and be consistent. But his statistics goes down in the first year and for sure fans will agree that it was a disappointment seeing his performance like that with the Lakers. But in any case that we won't be traded, then obviously, he need to show something, Lebron game is still very high as recently we have seen him in the Drew league and still the same Lebron. So it's time for AD and WB to come up big this season.
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July 17, 2022, 11:47:15 PM
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The problem is that if he stays with the Lakers, it will only be the best option for him, but not for the team.
I see an unmotivated Russ so yes it's bad for the team but it's also bad for him. He really wants to be out that's why he fired his agent who suggested he stays. Westbrook is not some no name and newbie anymore. I think he is already at a point where he cares more where he can play happily than the money he gets.

He's no longer in his prime, so better to play with the team that he will be more comfortable and happy. With how we see him

playing with Lakers, there's nothing to discuss the result itself can dictate how he and the team lacking of trust with each other.

If in this upcoming season he will be landing to a different team, it's best to see him playing the same old Westbrook that we all know.

Taking charge comfortably and not to hesitate as he's thinking of someone that has the alpha tag with the team.
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July 17, 2022, 10:56:21 PM
I see an unmotivated Russ so yes it's bad for the team but it's also bad for him. He really wants to be out that's why he fired his agent who suggested he stays. Westbrook is not some no name and newbie anymore. I think he is already at a point where he cares more where he can play happily than the money he gets.

Russell Westbrook just needs some push. I don't see him as a hindrance to the Lakers' success. Maybe give him several games to work again on his consistency. Westbrook is still one of the most athletic guards in the NBA today. He also understands that he needs to cooperate with LBJ or AD and last season, he didn't show the behavior that he is the main scorer on the team. He just does his usual Westbrook stuff although the problem is, he is not consistent.

Individual stat I will agree that he still can be one of the most athletic guards inside the league.

If he will stay in Lakers for good, he need to work more and adjust to how LeBron and the lakers play the game, the team needs
to work more with their chemistries, but more important is having AD with healthy condition.

The last time run was a failure they need to impress the fans in this upcoming season to regain support.
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July 17, 2022, 06:57:15 PM
I see an unmotivated Russ so yes it's bad for the team but it's also bad for him. He really wants to be out that's why he fired his agent who suggested he stays. Westbrook is not some no name and newbie anymore. I think he is already at a point where he cares more where he can play happily than the money he gets.

Russell Westbrook just needs some push. I don't see him as a hindrance to the Lakers' success. Maybe give him several games to work again on his consistency. Westbrook is still one of the most athletic guards in the NBA today. He also understands that he needs to cooperate with LBJ or AD and last season, he didn't show the behavior that he is the main scorer on the team. He just does his usual Westbrook stuff although the problem is, he is not consistent.
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July 17, 2022, 06:53:11 PM
Lebron is trying to keep it fresh, if I am not wrong there is one more season after this until Bronny JR could join right? That means at the end of this season he will be going to College, and after that in NBA. So Lebron wants to play for at least 3 more seasons, he would be about 40 years old when that happens.

Not impossible of course, at 37 dude was still a candidate for MVP, you may dislike what Lakers did all year but Lebron played efficiently and scored a ton of baskets, played with 30.3 ppg, and 52% fg, and had his highest 3 points made per game at 2.9 per game with 36% rate, these are all amazing offensive lines. Unless he gets injured, then he will keep playing until 40 easily, maybe not be a superstar by then, but he will be fine.

Actually it could be even 39, because at the start of the season he will eb 39. So I am guessing all these Drew League stuff and all, is his way of keeping in shape and still working out in basketball style instead of just fitness.

With all the money Lebron is spending to keep his body fit and NBA ready, he can play competitively even if he reaches 40. And lately, he is playing only one side of the court. He is more on offense and plays less defensively. Maybe that is one more adjustment to keep him healthy and avoid career ending injuries. And since he announced that he wants to play with Bronny, we know he will do anything to be still in best shape when Bronny enters the league.

If Westbrook plays like he did last season, there is no chance any team will offer him another maximum 5-year contract. However, Westbrook still has a player option on his current contract, and he will likely use it to earn another $47 million next season. The problem is that if he stays with the Lakers, it will only be the best option for him, but not for the team.
Money wise, it is the best option but career wise, it is not. He flourish in a team where he is the dominant ball handler. That will not happen in Lakers because Lebron will play point guard and he will still be second option.

I thought when a team matched they couldn't trade him to anyone for half a year then to the team that signed an offer sheet to him for a full year.  The whole point so they couldn't immediate flip into a trade going the system.  Either way Phoenix is in on ayton and pretty much out of the Durant chase.  Durant to Miami might be the play.

They cannot trade him until January 15, 2023. They can trade him after that period but Ayton has veto power on his contract. So he still have the final say on the trade.
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July 17, 2022, 06:20:02 PM
Also just to add, I saw a post on Facebook regarding a proposed trade between the Pelicans and the Nets.
The Nets asked for Ingram, Nance Jr and multiple first round picks for KD. The Pelicans declined on it. Does this show that KD's value in the market really is that low? Any thoughts.

I do not think that this scenario speaks of Durant's value but rather than the capability of the Pelicans to acquire Durant. Pelican is just a small market team, and we all know that they already signed Zion to a maximum rookie extension. And I do not think that giving up their young assets is a good move for them.

Plus, do you think Durant would want to play in a small market team?

It turns out that the Suns matched the Pacer's historic $133M offer sheet for Ayton. Now the Suns will keep Ayton and will prohibit him from trading without the player's consent for a full year.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/34245243/phoenix-suns-match-indiana-pacers-4-year-133-million-offer-sheet-deandre-ayton

The Suns lost McGee which is a huge addition to them defensively and losing Ayton means they might be at the bottom spot next season defensively. I'm not hearing any news regarding Biyombo if they will resign him. I also don't know what will be the future of Ayton with the Suns after what happened with him and Coach Monty against the Mavericks last season.

Finally, Ayton getting the money that he deserves. And the four year deal is fully guaranteed. That speaks volume.

In regards with his relationship with his coach, I think they should patch things up. They are both professionals.

They can trade him by mid January just not to the Pacers.  I think under rules because Pacers sheet'd him the Suns can't trade him to the Pacers for a full year but other tes who didmt offer they can trade to by mid year. 
They can trade him, but Ayton has veto power until July next year. That means he have the last word if he wants to be traded or not.

I thought when a team matched they couldn't trade him to anyone for half a year then to the team that signed an offer sheet to him for a full year.  The whole point so they couldn't immediate flip into a trade going the system.  Either way Phoenix is in on ayton and pretty much out of the Durant chase.  Durant to Miami might be the play.
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July 17, 2022, 06:00:48 PM
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The problem is that if he stays with the Lakers, it will only be the best option for him, but not for the team.
I see an unmotivated Russ so yes it's bad for the team but it's also bad for him. He really wants to be out that's why he fired his agent who suggested he stays. Westbrook is not some no name and newbie anymore. I think he is already at a point where he cares more where he can play happily than the money he gets.
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July 17, 2022, 03:10:30 PM
He should play well, I think this is the last time he will show the Lakers what he is still capable of, and no more showing-off this time, and right now Russell Westbrook's long-time agent Thad Foucher has parted ways with him after their unsettled differences and Foucher have said that Westbrook best option despite the many trades that links to him, is to just stay on the Lakers and get that 5 years maximum deal so maybe will not part ways with the Los Angeles Lakers,

If Westbrook plays like he did last season, there is no chance any team will offer him another maximum 5-year contract. However, Westbrook still has a player option on his current contract, and he will likely use it to earn another $47 million next season. The problem is that if he stays with the Lakers, it will only be the best option for him, but not for the team.
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July 17, 2022, 02:26:11 PM
Lebron is trying to keep it fresh, if I am not wrong there is one more season after this until Bronny JR could join right? That means at the end of this season he will be going to College, and after that in NBA. So Lebron wants to play for at least 3 more seasons, he would be about 40 years old when that happens.

Not impossible of course, at 37 dude was still a candidate for MVP, you may dislike what Lakers did all year but Lebron played efficiently and scored a ton of baskets, played with 30.3 ppg, and 52% fg, and had his highest 3 points made per game at 2.9 per game with 36% rate, these are all amazing offensive lines. Unless he gets injured, then he will keep playing until 40 easily, maybe not be a superstar by then, but he will be fine.

Actually it could be even 39, because at the start of the season he will eb 39. So I am guessing all these Drew League stuff and all, is his way of keeping in shape and still working out in basketball style instead of just fitness.
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July 17, 2022, 11:31:50 AM
At the last minute of the trade, the Brooklyn Nets should decide quickly because they could be late for free agent players or players that wanted out of their team players that are superstars, or have potential will be traded by other teams and they can not have a pick any more, or maybe they will be settle down to the new players and hope one could pop out spectacular, I say rebuilding a team is not an easy job in my opinion, there will be money involve a lot of money, and dramas,
That's the problem. They cannot rush it. KD is such a gem, you cannot just give him away for anyone. This is like an investment made by the Brooklyn Nets and they know they can exhange him for something fair or more.
It's not their problem if other teams could not equal the proposed exchange that they want.
The amount of money the Nets had spent when Durant was not playing was enormous so it would be best if they could maximized the trade that they want.
2 years, they paid him 2 years without play time.
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