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June 18, 2024, 08:41:17 PM
We should also give credit to Joe Mazzulla as well, as he become the youngest NBA coach to win a ring.
Christians are proud of him when he's been interviewed and made statements about his faith. But other than that and regardless of his faith, his work as the head coach of the Boston Celtics must be appreciated. He's the tactician there and I was just curious that they've shown who are the people behind them like the back end staff and bosses like the governor of Celtics and president of development and what not. I can't remember if last season when the Nuggets have won if they've shown the same personalities that are also behind the management just to be recognized.

Yeah, regardless of his faith though, I mean he did a good job, Celtics management could have taken a risk on him since he is very young although he work as a assistant under Ime Udoka. So the risk has paid off for them, they didn't have to make adjustments or anything as Joe is already well aware of the plays and the strength and weaknesses of his player and then they got additions in KP and Holiday in which he really mold into the rotation.

Just said though for Marcus Smart not to win the title with the Celtics,  Wink, as he is one of the longest Celtics in that roster prior to him being traded.
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June 18, 2024, 08:22:33 PM
We should also give credit to Joe Mazzulla as well, as he become the youngest NBA coach to win a ring.
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So it was not an easy road for him, but he endured everything and proved all his doubters wrong!!
Well, after that very amazing run of the Celtics under Coach Ime Udoka, the pressure around Joe Mazzulla when he became the head coach is quite high to the point that many are saying that he can't duplicate what Coach Udoka did to the team. Now what will they gonna say to him now? Cheesy

It really wasn't an easy road for him that's for sure. He received lots of criticisms on how he's handling the team, but now that he got a title already, I guess it's safe to say that he also deserves some credits as well. Aside from him, let's also give credits to Brad Stevens who built this team. He's the reason why they got Porzingis and Holiday and he doesn't care if they will trade Smart or whoever players in their roster as long as it will get them even better.

Just for context that I saw online (NBA Facebook page), the Celtics record of 16-3 this playoff is the 2nd best winning percentage of any team since they changed the format. The best record is still holding by the 2016-2017 Warriors with 16-1 record.

Honestly, Dallas has been criticized for nothing at all, they have achieved what is a very tough thing by reaching the finals, and this is the same team that missed playoffs last season, and finals this season, an improvement like that doesn't really happen, don't remember any team that was like that. Plus they had some injured players too, if they had those players they could have been better too.
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Many (including me) didn't expect them to be clinching the NBA Finals. Many doubted them and many expected that either the Nuggets or the Timberwolves will go to the NBA Finals. Kudos to the whole Mavericks team, kudos to Coach Jason Kidd, and still congratulations for them because they changed how Kyrie is right now from a player full of dramas to a player who's only focusing on winning.

As for what's next for them, I don't think they will make some huge adjustments on this off-season. They will just have to develop their players especially their key players.
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June 18, 2024, 06:27:11 PM
We should also give credit to Joe Mazzulla as well, as he become the youngest NBA coach to win a ring.
Christians are proud of him when he's been interviewed and made statements about his faith. But other than that and regardless of his faith, his work as the head coach of the Boston Celtics must be appreciated. He's the tactician there and I was just curious that they've shown who are the people behind them like the back end staff and bosses like the governor of Celtics and president of development and what not. I can't remember if last season when the Nuggets have won if they've shown the same personalities that are also behind the management just to be recognized.
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June 18, 2024, 06:15:15 PM
It was Brown who won the MVP finals award, not Tatum. However, I think that award should have gone to Tatum. After all, if we compare the stats of these two guys in the finals series, Tatum was a little more productive and useful than Brown. Honestly, it isn't clear what exactly the organizers were guided by when choosing the MVP of the finals.

Yeah I just looked at the overall numbers and Tatum was in front in every categorie. Over the span of 5 games he had more points, more rebounds and more assists. I didn't look at the shooting splits though.

Even in the close out game Tatum was actually a lot better than Brown, so I don't really understand why they would give him the trophy and not Tatum.
But it is what it is, Boston definitely deserved this one big time. Funny how some people on your tried to talk them down after game 4 and many even predicted Dallas would come back to win the series. Well Boston proved them wrong from the first minute in game 5, and I am glad they did.

I think you have to look at the first three games of the series. At that point it became clear that Brown was the MVP, but Tatum stat padded the last two games in an attempt to get the MVP. From what I saw at least, Brown carried them early in the series when it mattered.  You can make the argument that they forced Brown to carry the team by focusing on Tatum early in the series, but I don’t think you could watch those first 3 games and say Brown didn’t deserve it.

I do agree, Brown is more clutch in this series, as compare to Tatum who just shoots 3's and it seems that he just padded his stats. And Brown was consistent not just in the finals but throughout the playoff itself.

And he has task sometimes to guard Luka, take steals and blocks shots. So there's a lot of intangibles that stats can't quantify and that's what the voters see on Brown and so he deserved that FMVP awards.

Agreed brown deserved the finals mvp in my head too.  He was solid all the way through the playoffs and Dallas didn't really have an answer for him.  The brown/tatum duo is going to be a tough twosome for years to come.  They better hope kristaps can stay somewhat healthy he is a nightmare matchup on the court when you have to worry about brown and tatum too.  KP amd his size though I fear won't ever be healthy for a long run.
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June 18, 2024, 04:39:12 PM
We should also give credit to Joe Mazzulla as well, as he become the youngest NBA coach to win a ring.

And he said that he will undergo surgery because he has a torn meniscus,

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"I gotta have knee surgery, I tore my meniscus in March after we lost to Atlanta," Mazzulla said. "So first thing I gotta do is get back on the mats. I'm going to be out for a little while. I've been working through it since March."

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/celtics-joe-mazzulla-coached-with-a-torn-meniscus-will-have-knee-surgery-after-winning-nba-finals/

So it was not an easy road for him, but he endured everything and proved all his doubters wrong!!
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June 18, 2024, 03:49:14 PM
It was Brown who won the MVP finals award, not Tatum. However, I think that award should have gone to Tatum. After all, if we compare the stats of these two guys in the finals series, Tatum was a little more productive and useful than Brown. Honestly, it isn't clear what exactly the organizers were guided by when choosing the MVP of the finals.

Yeah I just looked at the overall numbers and Tatum was in front in every categorie. Over the span of 5 games he had more points, more rebounds and more assists. I didn't look at the shooting splits though.

Even in the close out game Tatum was actually a lot better than Brown, so I don't really understand why they would give him the trophy and not Tatum.
But it is what it is, Boston definitely deserved this one big time. Funny how some people on your tried to talk them down after game 4 and many even predicted Dallas would come back to win the series. Well Boston proved them wrong from the first minute in game 5, and I am glad they did.

I think you have to look at the first three games of the series. At that point it became clear that Brown was the MVP, but Tatum stat padded the last two games in an attempt to get the MVP. From what I saw at least, Brown carried them early in the series when it mattered.  You can make the argument that they forced Brown to carry the team by focusing on Tatum early in the series, but I don’t think you could watch those first 3 games and say Brown didn’t deserve it.

I do agree, Brown is more clutch in this series, as compare to Tatum who just shoots 3's and it seems that he just padded his stats. And Brown was consistent not just in the finals but throughout the playoff itself.

And he has task sometimes to guard Luka, take steals and blocks shots. So there's a lot of intangibles that stats can't quantify and that's what the voters see on Brown and so he deserved that FMVP awards.
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June 18, 2024, 02:10:22 PM
It was Brown who won the MVP finals award, not Tatum. However, I think that award should have gone to Tatum. After all, if we compare the stats of these two guys in the finals series, Tatum was a little more productive and useful than Brown. Honestly, it isn't clear what exactly the organizers were guided by when choosing the MVP of the finals.

Yeah I just looked at the overall numbers and Tatum was in front in every categorie. Over the span of 5 games he had more points, more rebounds and more assists. I didn't look at the shooting splits though.

Even in the close out game Tatum was actually a lot better than Brown, so I don't really understand why they would give him the trophy and not Tatum.
But it is what it is, Boston definitely deserved this one big time. Funny how some people on your tried to talk them down after game 4 and many even predicted Dallas would come back to win the series. Well Boston proved them wrong from the first minute in game 5, and I am glad they did.

I think you have to look at the first three games of the series. At that point it became clear that Brown was the MVP, but Tatum stat padded the last two games in an attempt to get the MVP. From what I saw at least, Brown carried them early in the series when it mattered.  You can make the argument that they forced Brown to carry the team by focusing on Tatum early in the series, but I don’t think you could watch those first 3 games and say Brown didn’t deserve it.
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June 18, 2024, 12:07:05 PM
There you go, finally, Tatum got his first ring, as well as Porzingis, Brown, Horford, White, etc. The problem with Dallas is they don't have as many players or options as Boston that could be lethal. They only have Luka and Irving; the others aren't as effective compared to the players of Boston. Now, I wonder, what if Boston faced the Wolves or the Nuggets? Maybe it would have been a different story. Anyway, congrats to the Celtics.

Yup! That is really the key component for the Boston Celtics to win they have many players who are helping Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown to win this final for me I really want the Dallas Mavericks to win this because watching the tandem of Kyrie Irving and Luka Doncic was great and I thought the addition of Kyrie Irving could make it worst but again the Dallas Mavericks need potential players to win them in the finals.


Yes, finally, post-era of Pierce, KG and Rondo and Ray Allen, now we have, Tatum and Brown to lead the Celtics and the missing pieces the unicorn and Drew Holiday (thanks to Bucks for letting him go just to get Dame time). Dallas has no answer whatsoever to the offense of Celtics in Game 5. The sad part is that it's going to be months again, that we will have to wait before the next season begins. And for sure we will see some big movements already. Klay Thompson might be the biggest catch as he already shows intention to test the free market agency, also another big name is Donovan Mitchell. Anyway, congratulations to the Celtics for winning another NBA championship and another will be hang in the Boston Garden.

It really was a good swap although Kristaps Porziņģis was always injured I think he also helped in making this championship possible and Jrue Holiday was an addition to the Boston Celtics which is very unlikely and was the wrong decision for the Milwaukee Bucks as Damian Lillard didn't really help them and Giannis Antetokounmpo to win the Finals well but maybe getting 1 or 2 good players for the Dallas Mavericks then Kyrie and Luka might have a chance next year.

How about this look for the aftermath of hitting his face on the floor for Derrick White? I guess winning a championship might make it worth the sacrifice. I’m sure Charles Barkley would trade a tooth for a ring. That’s a nasty look. I’m sure he’ll have it all fixed up in the next week though. Hopefully in time for any parade.



It's worth it even if he loses a tooth or 2 they are now a champions but that face was really hilarious sure now that they are champions he can surely get to fix those teeth in no time.

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June 18, 2024, 10:49:29 AM
Well I fell asleep after work and took a bit of a cat nap, and by the time I woke up the game had already started and I completely forgot to place my bets.  I was planning on taking the Celtics at -6.5, which kind of felt like a lot but they had just absolutely dominated the Mavs for most of the series and felt confident rolling with them.  Of course I'm not the happiest person in the world having missed my bet and the game was once again kind of boring.  The Celtics steam rolled them.  Was thinking it would be a lot more competitive.
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June 18, 2024, 10:03:02 AM
Honestly, Dallas has been criticized for nothing at all, they have achieved what is a very tough thing by reaching the finals, and this is the same team that missed playoffs last season, and finals this season, an improvement like that doesn't really happen, don't remember any team that was like that. Plus they had some injured players too, if they had those players they could have been better too.

All in all, I believe that they are doing fine, and just because they lost the finals doesn't mean that they are bad. Boston got lucky at every turn too, like every time they played a team, that team had some injured stars, so it is quite obvious that they were getting lucky every series. But still, you need to be ready when that happens, and Boston was ready, a very formidable team.
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June 18, 2024, 06:42:00 AM
Jayson Tatum seemed destined to win one, but it was looking pretty grim for a while there in the East. I’m glad they were able to jump at their chance with Embiid and Giannis injured. Glad Tatum got himself a Finals MVP also, but I think Jalen Brown probably deserved it. After game 1 it was looking like Porzingis was the difference maker.
I'm happy for him to see that he finally got a ring. I'm eyeing for Luka to have his first but then, they fell short and this isn't the time for him to have one. Well, while watching the awarding ceremony, I was expecting Tatum to win the finals MVP but it's still Jaylen Brown that has got it. He's got the conference finals MVP and then the NBA finals MVP, what a player. After analyzing the games that they've got, I guess that Brown deserves to have that because of how he impacted all of the finals games of the Boston Celtics.


I am very happy as well for both Tatum and Brown. I am not a big Celtics' fan but I like the duo and followed them since their entrance in the league and watched them developed thru the years. I was optimistic that they will finally get a ring one day. Kicking out some players especially the very vocal and somehow arrogant ones were great moves by the management in order for Tatum and Brown to assume leaderships without much pressure.

Anyways, Brown was leading against Tatum in the race for the MVP. I think Brown had 2 player of the game while Tatum only got 1.
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June 18, 2024, 05:59:06 AM
A sad day for the Mavs fans as Luka Doncic and Kyrie Irving did not play well tonight. 3 point shots are not sinking in, only Josh Green is the one who made some good numbers on distance shots.
Well, it had been their problem for most of the series and I think they need more chemistry to be a better team. Luka must also try to put more effort on the defensive end. As long as he stays like that, he will always be a target for the opposing team.

Congratulations to the Boston Celtics and their fans. That was one heck of a game from the star duo and Jaylen Brown received the Finals MVP. It could be argued but I think the numbers are a bit higher for JB.

Now we rest.
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Not for them, I guess both stars understand the team's lapses and hopefully they'll find ways or the management will find the ways to fill it up, they've got the leaders who can take the 1-2 punch but not enough role players to stand up if needed to carry some loads if they continue that same system other teams will just allow Luka scores but in the otherside they will kill his defense then win the game, it's more on playing 2-ways he's still young and there are many more improvements after this final's lost.

Congrats to Boston they finally win back the title after thier own big 3's version last won it, FMVP for JB no argue about it as he really provides numbers from their previous games, he deserves the title.
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June 18, 2024, 05:52:16 AM
Jayson Tatum seemed destined to win one, but it was looking pretty grim for a while there in the East. I’m glad they were able to jump at their chance with Embiid and Giannis injured. Glad Tatum got himself a Finals MVP also, but I think Jalen Brown probably deserved it. After game 1 it was looking like Porzingis was the difference maker.

It was Brown who won the MVP finals award, not Tatum. However, I think that award should have gone to Tatum. After all, if we compare the stats of these two guys in the finals series, Tatum was a little more productive and useful than Brown. Honestly, it isn't clear what exactly the organizers were guided by when choosing the MVP of the finals.

Yeah I just looked at the overall numbers and Tatum was in front in every categorie. Over the span of 5 games he had more points, more rebounds and more assists. I didn't look at the shooting splits though.

Even in the close out game Tatum was actually a lot better than Brown, so I don't really understand why they would give him the trophy and not Tatum.
But it is what it is, Boston definitely deserved this one big time. Funny how some people on your tried to talk them down after game 4 and many even predicted Dallas would come back to win the series. Well Boston proved them wrong from the first minute in game 5, and I am glad they did.
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June 18, 2024, 05:49:37 AM
How about this look for the aftermath of hitting his face on the floor for Derrick White? I guess winning a championship might make it worth the sacrifice. I’m sure Charles Barkley would trade a tooth for a ring. That’s a nasty look. I’m sure he’ll have it all fixed up in the next week though. Hopefully in time for any parade.

Yeah this is awkwardly been highlight after the game and for sure White still get overwhelmed for what achievement they got then think that he can fix his teeth after their finals celebration. For sure not only Barkley would trade a tooth for championship since there's a lot of stars still ringless and provably they can also do the same just to get a ring.

He have lot of resources to use so maybe he will fix it immediate since its really awkward for having those tooth while celebrating.

Celtics is so amazing and they deserve all the achievements they got include Jaylen Brown for getting the FMVP.
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June 18, 2024, 05:42:01 AM
How about this look for the aftermath of hitting his face on the floor for Derrick White?

I thought he lost a tooth, but thankfully it's still there. At least it's still attached and can easily be fixed. White has been a big factor in that success. His defense and three-point shooting were very accurate. Without him and Jrue Holiday, the Celtics would never be a championship team. Now that they have finally achieved what they have been longing for for years, the haters have nothing bad to say against them. Brown and Tatum are sure to dominate for a while, but winning back-to-back championships is a different story. Let's see.
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June 18, 2024, 05:08:30 AM
How about this look for the aftermath of hitting his face on the floor for Derrick White? I guess winning a championship might make it worth the sacrifice. I’m sure Charles Barkley would trade a tooth for a ring. That’s a nasty look. I’m sure he’ll have it all fixed up in the next week though. Hopefully in time for any parade.

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June 18, 2024, 04:54:30 AM
A sad day for the Mavs fans as Luka Doncic and Kyrie Irving did not play well tonight. 3 point shots are not sinking in, only Josh Green is the one who made some good numbers on distance shots.
Well, it had been their problem for most of the series and I think they need more chemistry to be a better team. Luka must also try to put more effort on the defensive end. As long as he stays like that, he will always be a target for the opposing team.

Congratulations to the Boston Celtics and their fans. That was one heck of a game from the star duo and Jaylen Brown received the Finals MVP. It could be argued but I think the numbers are a bit higher for JB.

Now we rest.
Summer League is up next and the Drafts.
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June 18, 2024, 04:52:46 AM
Jayson Tatum seemed destined to win one, but it was looking pretty grim for a while there in the East. I’m glad they were able to jump at their chance with Embiid and Giannis injured. Glad Tatum got himself a Finals MVP also, but I think Jalen Brown probably deserved it. After game 1 it was looking like Porzingis was the difference maker.

It was Brown who won the MVP finals award, not Tatum. However, I think that award should have gone to Tatum. After all, if we compare the stats of these two guys in the finals series, Tatum was a little more productive and useful than Brown. Honestly, it isn't clear what exactly the organizers were guided by when choosing the MVP of the finals.

Geez… I didn’t see the celebration afterwards and I saw an early report that Tatum won, which was nonsense. Brown clearly deserved it in my opinion in spite of Tatum padding some stats, so I’m glad I just saw some misinformation (which I corrected now). I wonder if this will create a rift between Tatum and Brown next year since it seems like Tatum wants to be the guy.
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June 18, 2024, 04:51:55 AM
Jayson Tatum seemed destined to win one, but it was looking pretty grim for a while there in the East. I’m glad they were able to jump at their chance with Embiid and Giannis injured. Glad Tatum got himself a Finals MVP also, but I think Jalen Brown probably deserved it. After game 1 it was looking like Porzingis was the difference maker.

It was Brown who won the MVP finals award, not Tatum. However, I think that award should have gone to Tatum. After all, if we compare the stats of these two guys in the finals series, Tatum was a little more productive and useful than Brown. Honestly, it isn't clear what exactly the organizers were guided by when choosing the MVP of the finals.

As far as I know, it will be voted as who will be the finals MVP. In any case, they panel thinks that Brown deserves it so be it. After all, he just sign a huge contract with Boston and for sure winning the finals MVP could have incentivized him even more. What's important is that they have claim the NBA trophy for this year and they didn't disappoint their fans as they are the top team in the regular season.

Now it's how they are going to defend the title, there are a lot of teams that will go after them and put up a line up that can match them. And I don't think there will be much of a changes for them next season, everyone did a great job from management to coaching staff.
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June 18, 2024, 04:42:22 AM
There you go, finally, Tatum got his first ring, as well as Porzingis, Brown, Horford, White, etc. The problem with Dallas is they don't have as many players or options as Boston that could be lethal. They only have Luka and Irving; the others aren't as effective compared to the players of Boston.
I've seen the happiness on their faces after the game. Al Horford has waited for this for his entire career and I think that when he's ready to retire, he'd surely do it as that ring is probably what he's been waiting for.

Now, I wonder, what if Boston faced the Wolves or the Nuggets? Maybe it would have been a different story. Anyway, congrats to the Celtics.
It might have been a different story but what's your guess? I guess if it's Nuggets, they won't have these easy sweep from them and won't end the finals with 5 games.

It's gonna be a long story but then, Celtics proved themselves to be the best this season.
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