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November 23, 2021, 12:46:43 AM
I do agree that Lebron is not a dirty player. And in this situation, it seems that he didn't intentionally try to throw that elbow on Stewart. They are all jockeying for position and no one want's to give up and perhaps James is trying to regain control and accidentally throw the elbow to Stewart face. And as per report, he will be suspended one game without pay.
I also agree with that but 2 games suspension for Isaiah Stewart? What is that supposed to mean? Analysts telling it should be like that to teach them a lesson not to overreact? These guys need to be punched in the face and let's see if they will react to it or not? It's a human thing and these men have high testosterone that will react quickly.
Lebron didn't intentionally hurt him but obviously, that is above the shoulder which is illegal and how he pulled his arm is different, there is a force in it like a +1.
They used a track record to decide and Lebron is clean and Stewart is not. Wow. Like he is the one who hit his face to Lebron's elbow.

Agreed.

Regardless of intent, I think that Lebron should be serving the same length suspension as Isaiah Stewart. Stewart had every right to defend himself after that hit, especially looking at the volume of blood that came out of him.

Besides, that hit did not look unintentional to me.
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November 23, 2021, 12:14:05 AM
They used a track record to decide and Lebron is clean and Stewart is not. Wow. Like he is the one who hit his face to Lebron's elbow.

HAHA Lebron hater spotted! Don't apply that testosterone stuffs there. Stewart's rampage shows some disrespect to the officials and staff who stopped him even the situation already escalated. Why does he still need to make a 2nd attack and run to Lebron? That's not necessary. Lebron's already close to him while apologizing, he should slap Lebron during that time. When others are now stopping him, that's the time he rampaged. HAHA. Stewart should thank Lebron as he's now popular haha. I didn't know that player until that incident haha. Play jackstone if he doesn't want to experience unexpected physical contact.
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November 22, 2021, 10:15:42 PM
The Brooklyn Nets haw won their game today and that will make them gain the number one seed in the eastern conference right now without Uncle Drew. looks like everything is easy for them when they work together as a team with James Harden and the others.



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November 22, 2021, 08:41:52 PM
I do agree that Lebron is not a dirty player. And in this situation, it seems that he didn't intentionally try to throw that elbow on Stewart. They are all jockeying for position and no one want's to give up and perhaps James is trying to regain control and accidentally throw the elbow to Stewart face. And as per report, he will be suspended one game without pay.
I also agree with that but 2 games suspension for Isaiah Stewart? What is that supposed to mean? Analysts telling it should be like that to teach them a lesson not to overreact? These guys need to be punched in the face and let's see if they will react to it or not? It's a human thing and these men have high testosterone that will react quickly.
Lebron didn't intentionally hurt him but obviously, that is above the shoulder which is illegal and how he pulled his arm is different, there is a force in it like a +1.
They used a track record to decide and Lebron is clean and Stewart is not. Wow. Like he is the one who hit his face to Lebron's elbow.
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November 22, 2021, 08:40:35 PM
I do agree that Lebron is not a dirty player. And in this situation, it seems that he didn't intentionally try to throw that elbow on Stewart. They are all jockeying for position and no one want's to give up and perhaps James is trying to regain control and accidentally throw the elbow to Stewart face. And as per report, he will be suspended one game without pay.

I guess some times intention doesn't matter in cases like this, James isn't and has never been dirty player (this being his first suspension and 2nd ejected over the course of his illustrious career would also corroborate that fact)  It was pretty obvious that James was trying to apologize immediately even before Stewart stood up perhaps knowing the impact that the fist could have made, but the damage has been done already intentional or not. I'm sure Stewart would reflect on the replay seeing that James was sorry instantly and probably didn't mean for it to happen.
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November 22, 2021, 07:53:38 PM
I do agree that Lebron is not a dirty player. And in this situation, it seems that he didn't intentionally try to throw that elbow on Stewart. They are all jockeying for position and no one want's to give up and perhaps James is trying to regain control and accidentally throw the elbow to Stewart face. And as per report, he will be suspended one game without pay.
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November 22, 2021, 06:24:07 PM
I think these dirty style plays from LeBron are going to become more and more common as his aging lowers his play level to be below some of the young guys in the league. I don’t he’s going to have an easy time adjusting to him not being the most dominant player on the court.


Guys, LeBron has only been ejected 2 times only, all the other dirty plays he did were either mild or he simply got away, I'm not a LeBron fan but he's not a dirty player
You are missing the point Dupee. He wasn't a dirty player when he was younger since he can dominate the game with his skills and superior athleticism. He may as well resort to using tricks and some dirty plays to outmaneuver his opponents as his body deteriorates due to age. He won't be able to outrun or outjump younger guys now.

Well, he's 36, he is past his prime but I'm pretty sure with the situation that elevated yesterday or perhaps the other day, the situation wasn't really that relevant to what you were saying, it's not a trick nor a dirty play, Isaiah Stewart is not a key player for Detroit, only averages on what is expected for a rookie/sophomore so I don't see the need for LeBron to actually get rid of this kid in the game, I am assuming that it's more of a frustration rather than a dirty play, you can see how irritated LeBron was when he elbowed Stewart, therefore, LeBron won't resort to that kind of violence as he didn't mean it and was a heat of the moment for both, I still feel bad for Stewart though.
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November 22, 2021, 05:26:19 PM
I think these dirty style plays from LeBron are going to become more and more common as his aging lowers his play level to be below some of the young guys in the league. I don’t he’s going to have an easy time adjusting to him not being the most dominant player on the court.


Guys, LeBron has only been ejected 2 times only, all the other dirty plays he did were either mild or he simply got away, I'm not a LeBron fan but he's not a dirty player
You are missing the point Dupee. He wasn't a dirty player when he was younger since he can dominate the game with his skills and superior athleticism. He may as well resort to using tricks and some dirty plays to outmaneuver his opponents as his body deteriorates due to age. He won't be able to outrun or outjump younger guys now.

I have seen those dirty tricks in EURO2020 in football but haven't thought in other sports they do the same.
I don't watch much of sports but sometimes randomly and these cheating and tricks are in most all of the sports i've seen cricketers cheat, abuse each other footballers abuse each other
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November 22, 2021, 05:23:34 PM

Everyone's emotion was invested in the event and that's why we all have opinions that aren't really wrong. Upon watching it and you'll see the blood shed over the face of Isaiah, you'll really think of it as negative and we can't blame anyone who thinks of having that opinion and as well as the opinion of the others that don't think he has to retire. At the end of this, it's all about discussion and opinion that we have towards the situation that has happened.

Opinions are entitled to everyone, we do have differences and we can't force someone to agree with us if they find other things that differ from what we have.

Whatever the case, at the end of it both players needs to shows their professionalism. That kind of incidence should not happen again.

It's no longer the time of the late 80's and 90's, it's a career now more than the pride players should act like pro.
That's true and basically, we all have been moved by such fights every match that we watch. But hopefully, the next time we get to see them, they're better, and as much as they can, they should avoid getting involved in any fight. The penalty has been given for that much and I think if it will be repeated, there will be a higher sanction for which they have to pay and they have no choice but to take it. Just wishing them good since it's already done.
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November 22, 2021, 05:11:22 PM
I think these dirty style plays from LeBron are going to become more and more common as his aging lowers his play level to be below some of the young guys in the league. I don’t he’s going to have an easy time adjusting to him not being the most dominant player on the court.


Guys, LeBron has only been ejected 2 times only, all the other dirty plays he did were either mild or he simply got away, I'm not a LeBron fan but he's not a dirty player
You are missing the point Dupee. He wasn't a dirty player when he was younger since he can dominate the game with his skills and superior athleticism. He may as well resort to using tricks and some dirty plays to outmaneuver his opponents as his body deteriorates due to age. He won't be able to outrun or outjump younger guys now.
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November 22, 2021, 05:04:55 PM

Everyone's emotion was invested in the event and that's why we all have opinions that aren't really wrong. Upon watching it and you'll see the blood shed over the face of Isaiah, you'll really think of it as negative and we can't blame anyone who thinks of having that opinion and as well as the opinion of the others that don't think he has to retire. At the end of this, it's all about discussion and opinion that we have towards the situation that has happened.

Opinions are entitled to everyone, we do have differences and we can't force someone to agree with us if they find other things that differ from what we have.

Whatever the case, at the end of it both players needs to shows their professionalism. That kind of incidence should not happen again.

It's no longer the time of the late 80's and 90's, it's a career now more than the pride players should act like pro.

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November 22, 2021, 04:59:16 PM
This article would explain, A Bad Boy for life: Isaiah Stewart plays hard, not dirty, and he’s not going to stop...

What happened is that, Isaiah Stewart plays hard as usual and Lebron gets frustrated, it could happen to anyone whether a superstar or not.

And Anthony Davis defended by saying "Everyone Knows Lebron is not a Dirty Player"
https://hoopshype.com/2021/11/21/anthony-davis-everyone-knows-lebron-james-is-not-a-dirty-guy/

yes, I agree with that, Lebron is not known for that, only known for being a good flop.
Yes I agree too, LeBron James is an excellent floper lol

I believe LJ did that maybe to push Stewart away or give him some warning, that's normal in basketball.
But I don't think anyone would have expected such damage and the intensity of the elbow, I believe LeBron James did intend to hit Stewart, but not wanting to hurt him.
Everyone knows that, depending on where the elbow hits, it is a "razor", especially if it hits the eyebrow, mouth, nose, side of the eye and other parts.

That's not a simple push, there's really an intention to hurt someone and that's due to frustration since Lebron is not really a dirty player.
Look at Isaiah Stewart's face here.. Pistons just trying to bring their culture which is the bad boys.

https://metro.co.uk/2021/11/22/lebron-james-bloodies-isaiah-stewart-with-elbow-to-the-face-leading-to-mass-brawl-15643398/


wow, i confess i hadn't seen that picture!

Well, I could see that LeBron James intended to hit, but I believe he didn't want to smack Stewart's eyebrow EXACTLY, as the damage would be massive.

LeBron James is not a dirty player, well unfortunately I can't get a 100% accurate answer, but I don't know, I believe LJ didn't want to hurt his opponent at this level
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November 22, 2021, 04:52:08 PM
This article would explain, A Bad Boy for life: Isaiah Stewart plays hard, not dirty, and he’s not going to stop...

What happened is that, Isaiah Stewart plays hard as usual and Lebron gets frustrated, it could happen to anyone whether a superstar or not.

And Anthony Davis defended by saying "Everyone Knows Lebron is not a Dirty Player"
https://hoopshype.com/2021/11/21/anthony-davis-everyone-knows-lebron-james-is-not-a-dirty-guy/

yes, I agree with that, Lebron is not known for that, only known for being a good flop.
Yes I agree too, LeBron James is an excellent floper lol

I believe LJ did that maybe to push Stewart away or give him some warning, that's normal in basketball.
But I don't think anyone would have expected such damage and the intensity of the elbow, I believe LeBron James did intend to hit Stewart, but not wanting to hurt him.
Everyone knows that, depending on where the elbow hits, it is a "razor", especially if it hits the eyebrow, mouth, nose, side of the eye and other parts.

That's not a simple push, there's really an intention to hurt someone and that's due to frustration since Lebron is not really a dirty player.
Look at Isaiah Stewart's face here.. Pistons just trying to bring their culture which is the bad boys.

https://metro.co.uk/2021/11/22/lebron-james-bloodies-isaiah-stewart-with-elbow-to-the-face-leading-to-mass-brawl-15643398/

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November 22, 2021, 04:48:19 PM
This article would explain, A Bad Boy for life: Isaiah Stewart plays hard, not dirty, and he’s not going to stop...

What happened is that, Isaiah Stewart plays hard as usual and Lebron gets frustrated, it could happen to anyone whether a superstar or not.

And Anthony Davis defended by saying "Everyone Knows Lebron is not a Dirty Player"
https://hoopshype.com/2021/11/21/anthony-davis-everyone-knows-lebron-james-is-not-a-dirty-guy/

yes, I agree with that, Lebron is not known for that, only known for being a good flop.
Yes I agree too, LeBron James is an excellent floper lol

I believe LJ did that maybe to push Stewart away or give him some warning, that's normal in basketball.
But I don't think anyone would have expected such damage and the intensity of the elbow, I believe LeBron James did intend to hit Stewart, but not wanting to hurt him.
Everyone knows that, depending on where the elbow hits, it is a "razor", especially if it hits the eyebrow, mouth, nose, side of the eye and other parts.
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November 22, 2021, 03:53:04 PM
I think these dirty style plays from LeBron are going to become more and more common as his aging lowers his play level to be below some of the young guys in the league. I don’t he’s going to have an easy time adjusting to him not being the most dominant player on the court. When I start seeing stuff like that, it makes me think he should start considering retirement before he cheapens his legacy.
I agree if these dirty games from him keep on going on. He should've settled and retired and that's better for his reputation. I hope that he goes better with his next games.
Because if not and this continues, there's something wrong with it. It's just surprising to see that someone like him goes on rage and it's very unusual watching him being like that.
Guys, LeBron has only been ejected 2 times only, all the other dirty plays he did were either mild or he simply got away, I'm not a LeBron fan but he's not a dirty player, call him more of a flopper when the NBA were stupid enough to make those calls, but I really think he deserved to be ejected. may it be because of the heat of the game but you can see how irritated he was when he elbow punched Isaiah Stewart, the Lake show got the win anyways and I got my bet just right thanks to Russ.
I tend to agree, this just been some escalating moment but it does mean LBJ will be treated like he was a dirty player, which he isn't. He even tried to make an apology on what just happen if we tried to watch the clip on different angles, he kinda sorry on that. Was retirement really the solution, I guess not for God's sake, that shouldn't be if he can still play and his body can still handle it then let him play, I don't think he's below on the young guys.
Everyone's emotion was invested in the event and that's why we all have opinions that aren't really wrong. Upon watching it and you'll see the blood shed over the face of Isaiah, you'll really think of it as negative and we can't blame anyone who thinks of having that opinion and as well as the opinion of the others that don't think he has to retire. At the end of this, it's all about discussion and opinion that we have towards the situation that has happened.
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November 22, 2021, 03:36:24 PM
A dirty play is an intentional action. Different to what happened in that incident.
It is. I've watched a closer look at the replay and sad to say that Lebron did really that intentional. How he ended up playing that, we don't know. I'm not trying to defend Lebron but whoever follows the track of Stewart, are there other the same plays that he did dirty as well to other players? I haven't followed most of his games.
This article would explain, A Bad Boy for life: Isaiah Stewart plays hard, not dirty, and he’s not going to stop...

What happened is that, Isaiah Stewart plays hard as usual and Lebron gets frustrated, it could happen to anyone whether a superstar or not.

And Anthony Davis defended by saying "Everyone Knows Lebron is not a Dirty Player"
https://hoopshype.com/2021/11/21/anthony-davis-everyone-knows-lebron-james-is-not-a-dirty-guy/

yes, I agree with that, Lebron is not known for that, only known for being a good flop.
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November 22, 2021, 03:30:38 PM
A dirty play is an intentional action. Different to what happened in that incident.
It is. I've watched a closer look at the replay and sad to say that Lebron did really that intentional. How he ended up playing that, we don't know. I'm not trying to defend Lebron but whoever follows the track of Stewart, are there other the same plays that he did dirty as well to other players? I haven't followed most of his games.
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November 22, 2021, 03:10:59 PM

But, I believe he is not old enough to retire neither, dude has enough power in the game to attract defenders on him even at his age.

It's only one game we saw him so frustrated, that should not conclude that he is not as competitive as before anymore.
His stats is still impressive, with an average of 22 PPG, that's a stat of a superstar, it's just that he had a bad season now which is very opposite of his expectation. https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01.html
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November 22, 2021, 03:03:17 PM
Knicks lay a dud on the road against the Bulls.  Thibs needs to expand the rotation these guys aren't getting it done day in and day out.  I know they were on a second day of a back to back with travel in between but that can't be an automatic loss.  Right now looks like the Knicks are dead center .500 team.
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November 22, 2021, 02:24:35 PM
I think these dirty style plays from LeBron are going to become more and more common as his aging lowers his play level to be below some of the young guys in the league. I don’t he’s going to have an easy time adjusting to him not being the most dominant player on the court. When I start seeing stuff like that, it makes me think he should start considering retirement before he cheapens his legacy.
I agree if these dirty games from him keep on going on. He should've settled and retired and that's better for his reputation. I hope that he goes better with his next games.
Because if not and this continues, there's something wrong with it. It's just surprising to see that someone like him goes on rage and it's very unusual watching him being like that.
I still believe that he attracts some attention during the game and that is what matters. I am not saying that he is as good as he used to be, look at his stats this year, so far he is averaging least amount of PPG since his rookie year, one of the lowest ever assists per game, very low, lowest ever for him rebounding averages and his defense is nowhere what used to be when it comes to clamping down players even though his steals look high (same as Harden since forever, has high steals but never defends properly).

However even with all of that in mind, teams still collapse on him whenever he drives which leaves some other teammates open. Right now, entire Lakers roster is going against the good old "let Lebron drive, he will either dish out or score so all you have to do is stand there and wait for him to pass to you" style of play, because they are good players too and Lebron is not that much greater and can't carry a team.

But, I believe he is not old enough to retire neither, dude has enough power in the game to attract defenders on him even at his age.
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