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Quote from: sana54210 on October 17, 2021, 04:10:52 PM

but if they are not injured then nobody will be able to stop them, not even Nets with Kyrie in it.

We are not talking here about the core players of the Lakers in their prime. Even they will play healthy all season, we can't conclude that "nobody" can able to stop them. Maybe I will agree with your statement if those players are in their prime days. I'm not seeing the Lakers as the best contender this season, honestly even the Brooklyn Nets. There's no unstoppable team right now based on my own view and we might see competition to at least 5-6 teams that deserve the Larry O' Brien championship this season.

I agree.
Any team are capable of making to the playoffs or even the Finals. Look how the Suns are so close to winning a championship last playoffs, and they aren't even expected to make it to the Finals.
I guess the era of superteams is over. Underdog teams, composed with perfect complimentary players could actually beat the superteam now.
Even the GSW is scary this season. Especially If Klay plays the same energy after the long injury.

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Quote from: gagux123 on October 17, 2021, 03:46:22 AM

Hmm, thank you so much for the explanation @danherbias07
It was similar what I mentioned earlier. Well, I believe now in NBA there will be less staging and more plays lol

Or worse, defensive player will add more flopping to gain the upper hand and have it call as an offensive foul. Grin

Quote from: dwyane36 on October 17, 2021, 06:35:55 PM

There is news that Simmons practiced with the 76ers today, and it was the first time since he quarreled with the team. So if Ben decides to stay with the 76ers, then it will be interesting to see his first performance on the home court after returning and fans' reaction to him.

First, I appreciate putting in the news here. Thank you.
I like what Harris said here.

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“To be honest, the response for us is look, we’ve got the opening to our season coming up,” Harris said. “Truth be told, that’s honestly where our focus is. We’re grown men here. This is not middle school — seventh grade, eighth grade. ‘Oh, you did this to me, you did this.’

Ben has a problem with the management and not with the players. It should stay that way. But if he also has a problem with Doc then it might be a conflict whenever plays are being made. How I wish Ben has a professional side in him. Just play the game of basketball and the other game which is business. Emotions should be set aside.

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There is news that Simmons practiced with the 76ers today, and it was the first time since he quarreled with the team. So if Ben decides to stay with the 76ers, then it will be interesting to see his first performance on the home court after returning and fans' reaction to him.

The news source is legit. But it doesn't mean Simmons will be part of their team until an official announcement will be released.

Now that Simmons now communicates with the team, looks like no team got an interest in what Sixers are demanding as a trade offer for Ben Simmons. Maybe they think Simmons is a valuable player so they are asking for a big exchange trade.

Sixers have been asking for big names because Simmons have a huge contract from them. However, no team are taking the "bluff" because of Simmons performance in the playoffs.

Maybe Simmons was advise by his lawyer to show in practice so that he won't lose more money in the process. But yeah, it doesn't mean that he will be part of the team moving forward. The situation has deteriorated in the last couple of months that I don't think it can be patches.

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Quote from: dwyane36 on October 17, 2021, 06:35:55 PM

There is news that Simmons practiced with the 76ers today, and it was the first time since he quarreled with the team. So if Ben decides to stay with the 76ers, then it will be interesting to see his first performance on the home court after returning and fans' reaction to him.

The news source is legit. But it doesn't mean Simmons will be part of their team until an official announcement will be released.

Now that Simmons now communicates with the team, looks like no team got an interest in what Sixers are demanding as a trade offer for Ben Simmons. Maybe they think Simmons is a valuable player so they are asking for a big exchange trade.

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Quote from: sana54210 on October 17, 2021, 04:10:52 PM

but if they are not injured then nobody will be able to stop them, not even Nets with Kyrie in it.

We are not talking here about the core players of the Lakers in their prime. Even they will play healthy all season, we can't conclude that "nobody" can able to stop them. Maybe I will agree with your statement if those players are in their prime days. I'm not seeing the Lakers as the best contender this season, honestly even the Brooklyn Nets. There's no unstoppable team right now based on my own view and we might see competition to at least 5-6 teams that deserve the Larry O' Brien championship this season.

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There is news that Simmons practiced with the 76ers today, and it was the first time since he quarreled with the team. So if Ben decides to stay with the 76ers, then it will be interesting to see his first performance on the home court after returning and fans' reaction to him.

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Quote from: Ziskinberg on October 17, 2021, 07:53:54 AM

I don't anymore see that Lebron had a successful last shot, in the season where the Lakers won a championship, it was Davis who made the last shot and a game-winner (I know you guys still remember that). Lebron is great, no question about that, but he is not a clutch player like Kobe and Jordan, sorry to say but it's the reality.

But on that championship run, Lebron was the Finals MVP. Being not a clutch is not really an issue as long as in every game, Lebron is consistent and making good averages. It's just become an issue that Lebron needs to be clutch because he was compared in the level of Kobe and Jordan. He is notably carrying an average team into winnings and that was a reality.

Kobe 26
Jordan 25
Lebron 19

Lebron just ranks 3rd but still topped the other 500+ players in the whole league.

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Quote from: sana54210 on October 17, 2021, 04:10:52 PM

but if they are not injured then nobody will be able to stop them, not even Nets with Kyrie in it.

I doubt that at least that's not what the bookmakers believe as the NBA future betting odds are based on the chance of the team to win the championship.
As you can see in (https://www.vegasinsider.com/nba/odds/futures/), Brooklyn Nets is the top favorite to win the title, that's considering the current status of the team and it did not change even Irving has some issue with his team that threatens to retire if he gets traded.

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Quote from: Jating on October 17, 2021, 05:41:49 AM

what I see in this season's line up, Lebron will still be the alpha of the team no matter what. Even if there is Westbrook or Carmelo, it will still be Lebron who will lead the team. And as we can see, Westbrook or Carmelo already acknowledge it in public.

As compare to the previous Lakers of 12/13, all of them wanted to be the alpha and that's the reason maybe the team crumbles and never make it to the finals even if they look solid on papers.

Nobody will be "alpha" in a team where Kobe plays, they knew it even back then and they know it now with Lebron. That team did not do well because of injuries, Nash was injured, Howard was injured, Kobe got injured, they were all injured and an aging Kobe had to play nearly all minutes by the end to bring that team any success which is why he was out.

Long story short the only thing that can keep this team from winning the chip is exactly the same as that team; injuries. If this team has a lot of injuries then I can see them losing bunch of games as well, and not win the ring, but if they are not injured then nobody will be able to stop them, not even Nets with Kyrie in it.

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Quote from: gagux123 on October 17, 2021, 03:27:17 PM

Quote from: Jating on October 17, 2021, 05:41:49 AM

Yeah, but what I see in this season's line up, Lebron will still be the alpha of the team no matter what. Even if there is Westbrook or Carmelo, it will still be Lebron who will lead the team. And as we can see, Westbrook or Carmelo already acknowledge it in public.

As compare to the previous Lakers of 12/13, all of them wanted to be the alpha and that's the reason maybe the team crumbles and never make it to the finals even if they look solid on papers.

Yes, absolutely, and I have no doubts about that!
LeBron is the best player to lead the team, we saw what he did in Miami and Cleveland.

He was still younger that time, and in Cleveland, he was hungry to win for the first team he ever played in the NBA.
It's a different scenario now as Lebron is not getting any younger, so he needs some big support from his fellow NBA superstar whom he is playing with now, most particularly from Westbrook.

Quote from: gagux123 on October 17, 2021, 03:27:17 PM

Westbroook is an excellent player to cheer up his teammates and the crowd and give strength to the team, and Carmelo can also be something positive on the team, an experienced and skilled player.

If there's chemistry, there would be no problem, Westbrook has to show that he is ready to accept his new role, not the role back in OKC and Washington.

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Quote from: Jating on October 17, 2021, 05:41:49 AM

Yeah, but what I see in this season's line up, Lebron will still be the alpha of the team no matter what. Even if there is Westbrook or Carmelo, it will still be Lebron who will lead the team. And as we can see, Westbrook or Carmelo already acknowledge it in public.

As compare to the previous Lakers of 12/13, all of them wanted to be the alpha and that's the reason maybe the team crumbles and never make it to the finals even if they look solid on papers.

Yes, absolutely, and I have no doubts about that!
LeBron is the best player to lead the team, we saw what he did in Miami and Cleveland.

Westbroook is an excellent player to cheer up his teammates and the crowd and give strength to the team, and Carmelo can also be something positive on the team, an experienced and skilled player.

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Quote from: Ziskinberg on October 17, 2021, 07:53:54 AM

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Lebron has been with great players and winning championship, with Miami, (Dwade and Bosh), and then with Cavs (Kyrie) and two seasons ago with the Lakers (Davis).

But one things for sure, with all those great players, Lebron is the King. He might give Westbrook time to shine, but when it is about who are going to make the last shot, Lebron will have the luxury of that. Winning shot for his team, not AD, not Russ and not Melo.

I don't anymore see that Lebron had a successful last shot, in the season where the Lakers won a championship, it was Davis who made the last shot and a game-winner (I know you guys still remember that). Lebron is great, no question about that, but he is not a clutch player like Kobe and Jordan, sorry to say but it's the reality.

I think it has more to do with style than clutch-ness. LeBron isn’t a finesse player, he’s a power player. In last second situations that isn’t what you want, so he demands attention and passes the ball to the open man like he’s supposed to. This play style is the same reason Giannis is easily shut down by good defensive teams while Durant does not.

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Quote from: carlisle1 on October 17, 2021, 09:36:02 AM

Quote from: freedomgo on October 17, 2021, 08:55:13 AM

He is not anymore the type of player who is chasing to have impressive stats, with his ball handling ability, he can just play as a PG and direct the play on the floor. Westbrook and Davis will just have to wait since the kick-out pass is possible if Lebron will drive the ball inside. Since Lebron is only now chasing the hall of fame record, he will not be so aggressive to prevent injury and he would be able to play more seasons.

Smart as a pro! the chance of seeing him playing with his son might happen,
Lakers are very supportive they are letting him to stay healthier, without any major injuries' and with the type of game he have now,
It's very possible to see him to continue playing, No need to carry the team the way he does when he still on his prime, now he have lots of options
and coach Vogel also have Rondo to back him up when it's needed, he can rest LeBron whenever he needed some air, let Rondo create plays for Davis
and Russ.

^ Lebron might not have to carry his team almost alone like he had to do in his previous teams. Lakers are a stacked team with star players, so the pressure on Lebron is not that much for carrying them alone. Davis, Carmelo, Dwight all can play a part in this. And Lebron not having to work that hard like he had to do means that he will play longer in the NBA and he will get to please our eyes with more of his plays and I love that.

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Quote from: freedomgo on October 17, 2021, 08:55:13 AM

He is not anymore the type of player who is chasing to have impressive stats, with his ball handling ability, he can just play as a PG and direct the play on the floor. Westbrook and Davis will just have to wait since the kick-out pass is possible if Lebron will drive the ball inside. Since Lebron is only now chasing the hall of fame record, he will not be so aggressive to prevent injury and he would be able to play more seasons.

Smart as a pro! the chance of seeing him playing with his son might happen,

Lakers are very supportive they are letting him to stay healthier, without any major injuries' and with the type of game he have now,

It's very possible to see him to continue playing, No need to carry the team the way he does when he still on his prime, now he have lots of options

and coach Vogel also have Rondo to back him up when it's needed, he can rest LeBron whenever he needed some air, let Rondo create plays for Davis

and Russ.

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Quote from: Pamadar on October 17, 2021, 08:45:57 AM

Quote from: Ziskinberg on October 17, 2021, 07:53:54 AM

Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on October 17, 2021, 07:33:39 AM

Lebron has been with great players and winning championship, with Miami, (Dwade and Bosh), and then with Cavs (Kyrie) and two seasons ago with the Lakers (Davis).

But one things for sure, with all those great players, Lebron is the King. He might give Westbrook time to shine, but when it is about who are going to make the last shot, Lebron will have the luxury of that. Winning shot for his team, not AD, not Russ and not Melo.

I don't anymore see that Lebron had a successful last shot, in the season where the Lakers won a championship, it was Davis who made the last shot and a game-winner (I know you guys still remember that). Lebron is great, no question about that, but he is not a clutch player like Kobe and Jordan, sorry to say but it's the reality.

He always has that luxury as he's the main man, but knowing LeBron he's more on passing the ball than taking the shot.

Compared to Kobe and MJ, who will do everything to make the last shot and very brave to take full responsibilities in case they'll missed it,

With the Lakers current roster, LeBron might conserve his energy and let those new stars to play without any interference, as long as
all of them have the same goal, and that's to win the title. They still have this full regular season to deal with and prove that age is not a problem if players / team are determined to win.

He is not anymore the type of player who is chasing to have impressive stats, with his ball handling ability, he can just play as a PG and direct the play on the floor. Westbrook and Davis will just have to wait since the kick-out pass is possible if Lebron will drive the ball inside. Since Lebron is only now chasing the hall of fame record, he will not be so aggressive to prevent injury and he would be able to play more seasons.

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Quote from: Ziskinberg on October 17, 2021, 07:53:54 AM

Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on October 17, 2021, 07:33:39 AM

Lebron has been with great players and winning championship, with Miami, (Dwade and Bosh), and then with Cavs (Kyrie) and two seasons ago with the Lakers (Davis).

But one things for sure, with all those great players, Lebron is the King. He might give Westbrook time to shine, but when it is about who are going to make the last shot, Lebron will have the luxury of that. Winning shot for his team, not AD, not Russ and not Melo.

I don't anymore see that Lebron had a successful last shot, in the season where the Lakers won a championship, it was Davis who made the last shot and a game-winner (I know you guys still remember that). Lebron is great, no question about that, but he is not a clutch player like Kobe and Jordan, sorry to say but it's the reality.

He always has that luxury as he's the main man, but knowing LeBron he's more on passing the ball than taking the shot.

Compared to Kobe and MJ, who will do everything to make the last shot and very brave to take full responsibilities in case they'll missed it,

With the Lakers current roster, LeBron might conserve his energy and let those new stars to play without any interference, as long as
all of them have the same goal, and that's to win the title. They still have this full regular season to deal with and prove that age is not a problem if players / team are determined to win.

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Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on October 17, 2021, 07:33:39 AM

Lebron has been with great players and winning championship, with Miami, (Dwade and Bosh), and then with Cavs (Kyrie) and two seasons ago with the Lakers (Davis).

But one things for sure, with all those great players, Lebron is the King. He might give Westbrook time to shine, but when it is about who are going to make the last shot, Lebron will have the luxury of that. Winning shot for his team, not AD, not Russ and not Melo.

I don't anymore see that Lebron had a successful last shot, in the season where the Lakers won a championship, it was Davis who made the last shot and a game-winner (I know you guys still remember that). Lebron is great, no question about that, but he is not a clutch player like Kobe and Jordan, sorry to say but it's the reality.

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^^ And you can't really compare the 2012/2013 Lakers to the current roster. So that argument is flaw in the beginning. The Lakers of today might be competitive though, majority of them joined just to have that one ring, so for sure they will do everything.

The only point of contention for the Lakers is the chemistry - but that's understandable, the season hasn't started yet and people are bashing them basing on the preseason games, Lol.

If we are in the middle of the season and the Lakers are like 20-20 then maybe there is a problem within the team. But at this point wherein the regular technically has started, we cannot say that they are doom to fail because of the chemistry issue.

Yes, you're right, but this 12/13 Lakers team technically speaking, was an excellent team, as virtually all of the top players were AllStars.
But unfortunately that Lakers team didn't have an expected result.

So, pre-season is a "warm-up" as I said earlier and fans can't take it off like it's a regular season or playoffs. Does not make sense.

Look, if the Lakers team in this season is very well aligned and has a good chemistry between the players and especially without injuries, I even believe that this team was one of the best teams the Lakers ever had, of course behind Kareen & Magic Jhonson, Kobe & Shaq and also behind the 09/10 team.

Yeah, but what I see in this season's line up, Lebron will still be the alpha of the team no matter what. Even if there is Westbrook or Carmelo, it will still be Lebron who will lead the team. And as we can see, Westbrook or Carmelo already acknowledge it in public.

As compare to the previous Lakers of 12/13, all of them wanted to be the alpha and that's the reason maybe the team crumbles and never make it to the finals even if they look solid on papers.

That's good, there should only be one Alpha in the team, and Lebron is not called a king for no reason, so he should lead the LA lakers like he always does when he joined the team. Westbrook will not win an MVP this season as his numbers will surely drop, but in the playoffs, he might have a chance if Lebron will allow him to do the play like his old way, and if it's effective.

Lebron has been with great players and winning championship, with Miami, (Dwade and Bosh), and then with Cavs (Kyrie) and two seasons ago with the Lakers (Davis).

But one things for sure, with all those great players, Lebron is the King. He might give Westbrook time to shine, but when it is about who are going to make the last shot, Lebron will have the luxury of that. Winning shot for his team, not AD, not Russ and not Melo.

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Quote from: Jating on October 17, 2021, 05:41:49 AM

Quote from: gagux123 on October 17, 2021, 03:46:22 AM

Quote from: Jating on October 16, 2021, 04:56:47 PM

^^ And you can't really compare the 2012/2013 Lakers to the current roster. So that argument is flaw in the beginning. The Lakers of today might be competitive though, majority of them joined just to have that one ring, so for sure they will do everything.

The only point of contention for the Lakers is the chemistry - but that's understandable, the season hasn't started yet and people are bashing them basing on the preseason games, Lol.

If we are in the middle of the season and the Lakers are like 20-20 then maybe there is a problem within the team. But at this point wherein the regular technically has started, we cannot say that they are doom to fail because of the chemistry issue.

Yes, you're right, but this 12/13 Lakers team technically speaking, was an excellent team, as virtually all of the top players were AllStars.
But unfortunately that Lakers team didn't have an expected result.

So, pre-season is a "warm-up" as I said earlier and fans can't take it off like it's a regular season or playoffs. Does not make sense.

Look, if the Lakers team in this season is very well aligned and has a good chemistry between the players and especially without injuries, I even believe that this team was one of the best teams the Lakers ever had, of course behind Kareen & Magic Jhonson, Kobe & Shaq and also behind the 09/10 team.

Yeah, but what I see in this season's line up, Lebron will still be the alpha of the team no matter what. Even if there is Westbrook or Carmelo, it will still be Lebron who will lead the team. And as we can see, Westbrook or Carmelo already acknowledge it in public.

As compare to the previous Lakers of 12/13, all of them wanted to be the alpha and that's the reason maybe the team crumbles and never make it to the finals even if they look solid on papers.

That's good, there should only be one Alpha in the team, and Lebron is not called a king for no reason, so he should lead the LA lakers like he always does when he joined the team. Westbrook will not win an MVP this season as his numbers will surely drop, but in the playoffs, he might have a chance if Lebron will allow him to do the play like his old way, and if it's effective.

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Quote from: gagux123 on October 17, 2021, 03:46:22 AM

Quote from: Jating on October 16, 2021, 04:56:47 PM

^^ And you can't really compare the 2012/2013 Lakers to the current roster. So that argument is flaw in the beginning. The Lakers of today might be competitive though, majority of them joined just to have that one ring, so for sure they will do everything.

The only point of contention for the Lakers is the chemistry - but that's understandable, the season hasn't started yet and people are bashing them basing on the preseason games, Lol.

If we are in the middle of the season and the Lakers are like 20-20 then maybe there is a problem within the team. But at this point wherein the regular technically has started, we cannot say that they are doom to fail because of the chemistry issue.

Yes, you're right, but this 12/13 Lakers team technically speaking, was an excellent team, as virtually all of the top players were AllStars.
But unfortunately that Lakers team didn't have an expected result.

So, pre-season is a "warm-up" as I said earlier and fans can't take it off like it's a regular season or playoffs. Does not make sense.

Look, if the Lakers team in this season is very well aligned and has a good chemistry between the players and especially without injuries, I even believe that this team was one of the best teams the Lakers ever had, of course behind Kareen & Magic Jhonson, Kobe & Shaq and also behind the 09/10 team.

Yeah, but what I see in this season's line up, Lebron will still be the alpha of the team no matter what. Even if there is Westbrook or Carmelo, it will still be Lebron who will lead the team. And as we can see, Westbrook or Carmelo already acknowledge it in public.

As compare to the previous Lakers of 12/13, all of them wanted to be the alpha and that's the reason maybe the team crumbles and never make it to the finals even if they look solid on papers.

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