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Quote from: bitgolden on October 15, 2021, 02:45:07 PM

Lakers have been horrible during the preseason but it is preseason so they are thinking this is fine. I believe that we are going to start seeing them taking this a lot more serious however with westbrook and AD and rondo, it is looking like they have 3 players who are not shooting with great rate and that is going to hurt them a lot in the future. AD should realize that he is not going to be some three point shooting curry like player and should be playing like a center now, he hates it but he needs to learn it because he is already good at it.

Westbrook needs to realize that this team is Lebrons team and he needs to be second player or even third player behind AD and that is going to be something very hard psychologically for him to accept but that is the only way. This team will either blow up like 2012-2013 Lakers period with Nash, Howard, Kobe, Artest, Gasol type of team, or they are going to learn how to play together and they are going to be great. It is up to them and we will just have fun watching them.

With the pre-season standing 0-6 yes it was horribly worst standing from a team with a lot of superstars, but If you take a look at the games they played with the stars on the floor, they were just actually building up the chemestry, trying out the plays, and they're actually winning. What made them lost is because superstars were rested on the 4th, and most G-leaguers played in the final quarter.

We can see the true Laker plays on the regular season and let's judge them from there If they're actually horrible or not.

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Quote from: OgNasty on October 15, 2021, 03:06:34 PM

I don’t think I agree the Lakers have been horrible. Sure, they lost all their games, but I’ve seen a lot of progress. Russell Westbrook and DeAndre Jordan working out their pick n rolls has been something to see… LeBron and Dwight looking great together also. It’s clear they’re working on specific things and not worrying about the score. Come the 19th I think you’ll see a different Lakers team out there really punishing people.

They arent still on their best and i agree that they are testing on something because this isnt the right time for them to make that serious honestly basing on my own opinion but they shouldnt really be that confident though
because having some bad numbers does totally affect in overall performance or stats.

Bookies also believe that as they made the LA Lakers a heavy favorite in their first game in the regular season.
Based on the line now, https://www.covers.com/sports/nba/matchups?selectedDate=2021-10-19
Lakers opened as -4.5 favorite and now it's currently -5, it's also their first game at home.

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Quote from: OgNasty on October 15, 2021, 03:06:34 PM

I don’t think I agree the Lakers have been horrible. Sure, they lost all their games, but I’ve seen a lot of progress. Russell Westbrook and DeAndre Jordan working out their pick n rolls has been something to see… LeBron and Dwight looking great together also. It’s clear they’re working on specific things and not worrying about the score. Come the 19th I think you’ll see a different Lakers team out there really punishing people.

They arent still on their best and i agree that they are testing on something because this isnt the right time for them to make that serious honestly basing on my own opinion but they shouldnt really be that confident though
because having some bad numbers does totally affect in overall performance or stats.

Quote from: bitgolden on October 15, 2021, 02:45:07 PM

AD should realize that he is not going to be some three point shooting curry like player and should be playing like a center now, he hates it but he needs to learn it because he is already good at it.

+1 to this but it isnt bad to pursue such goal or interest but although it would be more efficient if he do focus out on the role where he do really fits into.

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Quote from: OgNasty on October 15, 2021, 03:06:34 PM

I don’t think I agree the Lakers have been horrible. Sure, they lost all their games, but I’ve seen a lot of progress. Russell Westbrook and DeAndre Jordan working out their pick n rolls has been something to see… LeBron and Dwight looking great together also. It’s clear they’re working on specific things and not worrying about the score.

If what you have observed is true, then we have nothing to worry about in the regular season even though they are winless in the preseason. Due to the hype of the Lakers team now, we can't prevent from people worrying a bit as they were expecting to see the Lakers to dominate, even in the preseason.

Quote from: OgNasty on October 15, 2021, 03:06:34 PM

Come the 19th I think you’ll see a different Lakers team out there really punishing people.

We are going to find out 4 days from now.

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I don’t think I agree the Lakers have been horrible. Sure, they lost all their games, but I’ve seen a lot of progress. Russell Westbrook and DeAndre Jordan working out their pick n rolls has been something to see… LeBron and Dwight looking great together also. It’s clear they’re working on specific things and not worrying about the score. Come the 19th I think you’ll see a different Lakers team out there really punishing people.

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Lakers have been horrible during the preseason but it is preseason so they are thinking this is fine. I believe that we are going to start seeing them taking this a lot more serious however with westbrook and AD and rondo, it is looking like they have 3 players who are not shooting with great rate and that is going to hurt them a lot in the future. AD should realize that he is not going to be some three point shooting curry like player and should be playing like a center now, he hates it but he needs to learn it because he is already good at it.

Westbrook needs to realize that this team is Lebrons team and he needs to be second player or even third player behind AD and that is going to be something very hard psychologically for him to accept but that is the only way. This team will either blow up like 2012-2013 Lakers period with Nash, Howard, Kobe, Artest, Gasol type of team, or they are going to learn how to play together and they are going to be great. It is up to them and we will just have fun watching them.

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Quote from: LogitechMouse on October 15, 2021, 10:04:52 AM

While there are others who are seeing Lakers negatively, I'm the one who is thinking like "This is only pre-season and I believe that the Lakers are hiding something in their sleeves that will help them in the regular season".

I hope I am that optimistic. All I can think about is how they will develop their chemistry. In terms of roster they have almost all the best veterans in the league but when it comes to chemistry, they might be in the top 10 of the worse. I don't think they are hiding something and you can see it with the reactions of Frank Vogel. The game with the Kings is almost like a regular season game and they are having a hard time finding their rhythm at both ends of the floor.

Quote from: LogitechMouse on October 15, 2021, 10:04:52 AM

Well if you will see their past resumes, most of them are all stars and most of them are the go-to guy when they are at their primes in their past teams. That isn't the case right now. They are old enough to get outsped by other young players. I'm not saying though that they are not a strong team but we are expecting too much from them and we are disregarding their ages and their chemistry as well.

They are old and they also have limitations as well. We are expecting that they will build a chemistry as they play for a longer time but even though it will be built, I don't think that they are that dominant that to the point that they will be at the top in Western Conference though we might see them in playoffs. Earlier this off-season we are expecting Nets Vs. Lakers in NBA Finals but now that the Lakers are playing this way, do you think that these 2 teams will meet at the NBA Finals still??

That's all correct but Finals? They can but it's the West and it's going to be a rough road for them before achieving it, with GSW, Suns, and Clippers at a healthy roster.

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Quote from: LogitechMouse on October 15, 2021, 10:04:52 AM

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Earlier this off-season we are expecting Nets Vs. Lakers in NBA Finals but now that the Lakers are playing this way, do you think that these 2 teams will meet at the NBA Finals still??

It's hard to say that they will reach the Western Conference Finals at this point but a lot of things could happen in the regular season and in the playoffs.

I don't think any team in the West fear them anymore and I could see an early exit because of that. Don't hate me hehehe.

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^^ Only two teams that I saw that happen, The Bulls 1995-1996 season (not sure if some of you have been born already) and then the Warriors 2015-2016.

Those two teams are great, they've been playing for years before they dominate the league.

So I'm not sure if Lakers with their current line up can accomplished it within one season. Not saying that they are not that good, but with the level of competition right now, it's going to be very difficult.

Lakers will not do it, they are struggling in the preseason already and that's an evidence that they will not do well early in the regular season. They will have to work on their chemistry first before I would say they have a chance, and remember, Lebron is not young anymore, he has some limitations that's why he chooses to play with the star players so his burden will be lighter.

While there are others who are seeing Lakers negatively, I'm the one who is thinking like "This is only pre-season and I believe that the Lakers are hiding something in their sleeves that will help them in the regular season".

Well if you will see their past resumes, most of them are all stars and most of them are the go-to guy when they are at their primes in their past teams. That isn't the case right now. They are old enough to get outsped by other young players. I'm not saying though that they are not a strong team but we are expecting too much from them and we are disregarding their ages and their chemistry as well.

They are old and they also have limitations as well. We are expecting that they will build a chemistry as they play for a longer time but even though it will be built, I don't think that they are that dominant that to the point that they will be at the top in Western Conference though we might see them in playoffs. Earlier this off-season we are expecting Nets Vs. Lakers in NBA Finals but now that the Lakers are playing this way, do you think that these 2 teams will meet at the NBA Finals still??

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^^ Only two teams that I saw that happen, The Bulls 1995-1996 season (not sure if some of you have been born already) and then the Warriors 2015-2016.

Those two teams are great, they've been playing for years before they dominate the league.

So I'm not sure if Lakers with their current line up can accomplished it within one season. Not saying that they are not that good, but with the level of competition right now, it's going to be very difficult.

The hope is still there but the chances are not that high since the other teams are improving as well especially those who have young players who are improving and expanding their skills to play all around. Where they can shoot outside as well depends where the team needs them. As for the new Lakers team, they aren't bad they just need a few games before they can dominate the NBA league again if they can stay healthy throughout the game.

It's undeniable that Lakers still have those avid fans who believes that they can dominate this league,
given all those reasons, but the caliber of those stars inside Lakers roster got higher approval. Not talking about haters, but those people

who value those stars, especially LeBron, if they will continue being healthy and will not suffer to any major injuries.

The fate of this team still have a good possibility to reach the finals. Personally, I see eagerness taking your pride to prove that you still got it and you can
still win a title.

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on October 15, 2021, 05:51:40 AM

^^ Only two teams that I saw that happen, The Bulls 1995-1996 season (not sure if some of you have been born already) and then the Warriors 2015-2016.

Those two teams are great, they've been playing for years before they dominate the league.

So I'm not sure if Lakers with their current line up can accomplished it within one season. Not saying that they are not that good, but with the level of competition right now, it's going to be very difficult.

The hope is still there but the chances are not that high since the other teams are improving as well especially those who have young players who are improving and expanding their skills to play all around. Where they can shoot outside as well depends where the team needs them. As for the new Lakers team, they aren't bad they just need a few games before they can dominate the NBA league again if they can stay healthy throughout the game.

We can't make a judgement yet as the regular season has not started yet, if our basis is the preseason then I would say that the Lakers are so bad as they have not won a single game in the preseason. We are just hype because they have Westbrook who is a triple-double machine, but based on what he showed so far, we did not see the old Westbrook yet.

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on October 15, 2021, 05:51:40 AM

^^ Only two teams that I saw that happen, The Bulls 1995-1996 season (not sure if some of you have been born already) and then the Warriors 2015-2016.

Those two teams are great, they've been playing for years before they dominate the league.

So I'm not sure if Lakers with their current line up can accomplished it within one season. Not saying that they are not that good, but with the level of competition right now, it's going to be very difficult.

The hope is still there but the chances are not that high since the other teams are improving as well especially those who have young players who are improving and expanding their skills to play all around. Where they can shoot outside as well depends where the team needs them. As for the new Lakers team, they aren't bad they just need a few games before they can dominate the NBA league again if they can stay healthy throughout the game.

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It's funny. I thought earlier that the Nets and Lakers to be the main contenders for the title this season. However, both teams have some problems at the moment. The Lakers don't look like favorites after a terrible performance during preseason. Regarding the Nets, I doubt that Durant and Harden will be able to reach the final series if Irving doesn't change his mind about vaccination.

Don't take it seriously for now. It's just a pre-season.

We can form speculation once we see the progress to at least half the season. Regarding Nets won't be able to reach the Finals, who's the other contender in the East that Nets won't stand a chance to win? Heat? Bucks? Bulls? Celtics? Sixers? We can fairly say that the Nets can handle all teams in the East even without the presence of the drama king Kyrie Irving.

I think Lakers fans are in doubt because it's different than their pre-season when they won a championship. Different in a lot of ways.
They are now playing against the Kings and they scored 71 at halftime which should be checked by Coach Frank Vogel. There's a hint of chemistry now and the pre-season helped a lot to tweak most of their bad plays especially on Westbrook's side.
They will still become the favorites once they show a good start at the regular season. With a lot of superstars in their roster it will be easy to grab the fans back and watch them dominate.

Looks like the Lakers will lose in this game again, we have few minutes left, and the Lakers are trailing by 8 points in the 4th quarter, I guess they will continue their cold streak, and the Lakers will still be winless after this game.

Lebron scored 30 points already, but not much help from the bench.

Westbrook has improved his shooting a bit but his contribution is not enough to help the team to get their first win. Look at his numbers in this game, it's not the usual stats he is getting in his previous teams. This is odd, 5 assists and 3 rebounds, it used to be double-digit, so will this improve in the coming regular season?

Yes, that's true, if he will continue with this poor contribution, then there's no reason to celebrate Westbrook's addition to the LA Lakers. He should be a triple-double guy, or at least a double-double guy so he's a big help for the Lakers. Their execution is not yet well polish, I hope we will not see this on the regular season again.

Anyway, by October 19, we will see the first 2 games in the regular season.

Nets vs Bucks
GSW vs LAL ( for bettors, LA is the favorites here by 5 points).

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In other news knicks looking solid. Got good depth this year hopefully they can stay healthy. Got that Christmas game against the Hawks circled. Should be an interesting game knowing how last season ended. I'm sure Randle will be up for that one. Think the Knicks can squeeze a couple more wins than they did last year with this squad (pending kemba can stay off the injury report too often) it's like the Knicks are a graveyard of great guards with past knee issues.

I agree, who wouldn't forget the Knicks last year? They have pulled a string of victories, 8 or 9 and they've always been the underdogs. That's why betting on Knicks is really very good strategy last season as they always overcome the odds.

And now it seems that they are more complete right now, and hopefully DRose and Julius Randle can lead the team again in a tough Eastern Conference.

They have enough to be relevant but they need one of the young guys like rj to really step up. If Mitchell Robinson can just stay on the court he dominates games underneath, he changes the Knicks. Taj is alright but he has limitations. Mitch, rj or IQ have to really step up for them to get far. The vets are the vets they need someone else to be the x factor. (Desperate knick fan here Grin

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I think RJ did really step up last season, but probably fall short in the playoffs since that is their first time. So give them some time to adjust and get to the next level.

Taj is more of a defensive player now, not longer an offensive weapon but can still score if needed. Specially those mid range jumper. Julius hopefully can continue his run and play like an MVP. I mean consistency is the key here. They just come to life after the all star break, just image if they sustain that run and started hot.

RJ did but he is still inefficient on the floor and can go quiet a lot if games, settles for the 3 too much when he can drive to the basket. Kid has a little more to go to become an x factor type for a team. He has the killer instinct just needs to hone that in a little.

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on October 15, 2021, 05:51:40 AM

^^ Only two teams that I saw that happen, The Bulls 1995-1996 season (not sure if some of you have been born already) and then the Warriors 2015-2016.

Those two teams are great, they've been playing for years before they dominate the league.

So I'm not sure if Lakers with their current line up can accomplished it within one season. Not saying that they are not that good, but with the level of competition right now, it's going to be very difficult.

Lakers will not do it, they are struggling in the preseason already and that's an evidence that they will not do well early in the regular season. They will have to work on their chemistry first before I would say they have a chance, and remember, Lebron is not young anymore, he has some limitations that's why he chooses to play with the star players so his burden will be lighter.

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In other news knicks looking solid. Got good depth this year hopefully they can stay healthy. Got that Christmas game against the Hawks circled. Should be an interesting game knowing how last season ended. I'm sure Randle will be up for that one. Think the Knicks can squeeze a couple more wins than they did last year with this squad (pending kemba can stay off the injury report too often) it's like the Knicks are a graveyard of great guards with past knee issues.

I agree, who wouldn't forget the Knicks last year? They have pulled a string of victories, 8 or 9 and they've always been the underdogs. That's why betting on Knicks is really very good strategy last season as they always overcome the odds.

And now it seems that they are more complete right now, and hopefully DRose and Julius Randle can lead the team again in a tough Eastern Conference.

They have enough to be relevant but they need one of the young guys like rj to really step up. If Mitchell Robinson can just stay on the court he dominates games underneath, he changes the Knicks. Taj is alright but he has limitations. Mitch, rj or IQ have to really step up for them to get far. The vets are the vets they need someone else to be the x factor. (Desperate knick fan here Grin

)

I think RJ did really step up last season, but probably fall short in the playoffs since that is their first time. So give them some time to adjust and get to the next level.

Taj is more of a defensive player now, not longer an offensive weapon but can still score if needed. Specially those mid range jumper. Julius hopefully can continue his run and play like an MVP. I mean consistency is the key here. They just come to life after the all star break, just image if they sustain that run and started hot.

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^^ Only two teams that I saw that happen, The Bulls 1995-1996 season (not sure if some of you have been born already) and then the Warriors 2015-2016.

Those two teams are great, they've been playing for years before they dominate the league.

So I'm not sure if Lakers with their current line up can accomplished it within one season. Not saying that they are not that good, but with the level of competition right now, it's going to be very difficult.

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Quote from: qwertyup23 on October 15, 2021, 03:44:54 AM

The game between Nets vs Timberwolves show on how James Harden matured as a player. He definitely knows his role in the game as he was able to dish out 14 assists. Since he knows that Durant will be able to dominate the playing field, he acted as a support for his teammates, which he made them better. I am looking forward to see other games of Nets and on how they are managing their chemistry.

He has done this in the last season, he no longer the dominant ball hog who chooses to score more. He has settled his role with the Nets, KD is the alpha and him and Kyrie(?), even though superstars in their own right, should somewhat just be in the background and let KD do his thing. Unfortunately, he got injured when they have their series against the Bucks.

Quote from: qwertyup23 on October 15, 2021, 03:44:54 AM

Unfortunately, Lakers have yet to formalize their team chemistry with each other. Like what I previously mentioned, their individual players are skilled (most are all-stars) but as a team, they have to work on their chemistry and ball movement more.

Just give them sometime, what's scary though is that once this experience players blend, we don't know how dominant they can be.

Can they be a 70-10 team this season?

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Quote from: qwertyup23 on October 15, 2021, 03:44:54 AM

The game between Nets vs Timberwolves show on how James Harden matured as a player. He definitely knows his role in the game as he was able to dish out 14 assists. Since he knows that Durant will be able to dominate the playing field, he acted as a support for his teammates, which he made them better. I am looking forward to see other games of Nets and on how they are managing their chemistry.

For the performance he show last season we can definitely say that he's matured enough to know on when to adjust he's role since he's showing that he is a good team player when he's on nets. Provably he will do the same as he want to make to cooperate with durant and get into the finals next season. But don't know what will happen to them as kyrie is out of the team for a while so let see if this is a blessing or not since maybe they can create good rotation with less stars on their rooster.

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The game between Nets vs Timberwolves show on how James Harden matured as a player. He definitely knows his role in the game as he was able to dish out 14 assists. Since he knows that Durant will be able to dominate the playing field, he acted as a support for his teammates, which he made them better. I am looking forward to see other games of Nets and on how they are managing their chemistry.

Unfortunately, Lakers have yet to formalize their team chemistry with each other. Like what I previously mentioned, their individual players are skilled (most are all-stars) but as a team, they have to work on their chemistry and ball movement more.

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