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Quote from: fullhdpixel on October 16, 2021, 03:39:11 PM

I believe that there is a good chance that they could end up with something that is literally the exactly the same thing. I mean sure we could have this team a lot better if they stay healthy but we could literally see the same exact thing this season as well, with older players end up getting injured constantly and that would be the horrible situation where they end up winning nothing. They are definitely a good team, but way too old, so injuries will definitely play into the result.

Of course, veterans are more prone to injury. However, I doubt that injuries will be the main problem for the Lakers this season, considering that many players had enough time to rest during the offseason. Anyway, the Lakers have a good bench, and coach Vogel will be able to find a replacement for Davis and James if they are injured again.

As compare to last season wherein Lakers have short amount of time resting, so yeah maybe most of them rested and then go to the gym to lift weight, and strengthen their body because they are not getting any younger and they need to prepared for another gruelling season. And we can only wish that they won't get injured so that we may see the full potential of this veterans and experience players.

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Quote from: Jating on October 16, 2021, 04:56:47 PM

^^ And you can't really compare the 2012/2013 Lakers to the current roster. So that argument is flaw in the beginning. The Lakers of today might be competitive though, majority of them joined just to have that one ring, so for sure they will do everything.

The only point of contention for the Lakers is the chemistry - but that's understandable, the season hasn't started yet and people are bashing them basing on the preseason games, Lol.

If we are in the middle of the season and the Lakers are like 20-20 then maybe there is a problem within the team. But at this point wherein the regular technically has started, we cannot say that they are doom to fail because of the chemistry issue.

Yes, you're right, but this 12/13 Lakers team technically speaking, was an excellent team, as virtually all of the top players were AllStars.
But unfortunately that Lakers team didn't have an expected result.

So, pre-season is a "warm-up" as I said earlier and fans can't take it off like it's a regular season or playoffs. Does not make sense.

Look, if the Lakers team in this season is very well aligned and has a good chemistry between the players and especially without injuries, I even believe that this team was one of the best teams the Lakers ever had, of course behind Kareen & Magic Jhonson, Kobe & Shaq and also behind the 09/10 team.

Quote from: danherbias07 on October 17, 2021, 03:01:59 AM

Yes, something like that. It's obviously an offensive foul for the offensive player is the one looking for the contact and the defensive player is trying to avoid it or just in vertical position. Usually shooters took advantage of that knowing you will take the bait of a fake. Again, it can be a "no call or an offensive foul.
We might witness a lot of technical fouls when this shooters starts to show a bad temper whenever the referee will not even call anything. Grin

Hmm, thank you so much for the explanation @danherbias07
It was similar what I mentioned earlier. Well, I believe now in NBA there will be less staging and more plays lol

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Quote from: gagux123 on October 16, 2021, 03:29:56 PM

If I understand you correctly, in this case of Dončić, that would be illegal, right?

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Yes, something like that. It's obviously an offensive foul for the offensive player is the one looking for the contact and the defensive player is trying to avoid it or just in vertical position. Usually shooters took advantage of that knowing you will take the bait of a fake. Again, it can be a "no call or an offensive foul.
We might witness a lot of technical fouls when this shooters starts to show a bad temper whenever the referee will not even call anything. Grin

Quote from: wheelz1200 on October 16, 2021, 06:31:24 PM

Probably because cade hasn't had much time on the court due to a sprained ankle. Jalen has looked a little inefficient when he is on the floor, but it is pre season. He is on the floor with other guys who probably won't see much burn. Knicks finally got quentin grimes off the bench this preseason. Hoping he can make a good impact for 10-15 minutes a game, they definately need better guard play then they got last year in the playoffs.

I think what we should consider is whom will have the higher minutes to put numbers in the stat sheets.
Both Pistons and Rockets who have the number 1 and 2 pick need those rookies because of lack of main core players. Evan Mobley (3rd pick Cavs) may not get the minutes that he want because of Jarrett Allen as their main center.
Let's give them 10 games of the regular season then maybe we could analyze it while setting aside injuries.

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Quote from: chaser15 on October 16, 2021, 06:59:25 PM

Steph Curry doing 40+ points in the pre-season game is dangerous. As everyone said, games are not played seriously in pre-season so just think what if he played seriously in that game. He comes back now to his usual shape which started last season where he carry alone the Warriors where he always produces good numbers even they are losing.

Draymond Green is the missing key for the Warriors. He should also come back at his best during the time they are dominating the league for years. Curry's big numbers are useless if there's no backup. We have seen that last season.

Not unusual for Steph to score 40 points in pre-season or regular season. Remember that he was the scoring champion last year, averaging more than 30 ppg. So this is just a "natural' game for him.

But I agree that the teams will need to so step up their game, Green and others.

Just scary to see Curry + Klay Thompson again, scoring 30 points each.

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Quote from: fullhdpixel on October 16, 2021, 03:39:11 PM

I believe that there is a good chance that they could end up with something that is literally the exactly the same thing. I mean sure we could have this team a lot better if they stay healthy but we could literally see the same exact thing this season as well, with older players end up getting injured constantly and that would be the horrible situation where they end up winning nothing. They are definitely a good team, but way too old, so injuries will definitely play into the result.

Of course, veterans are more prone to injury. However, I doubt that injuries will be the main problem for the Lakers this season, considering that many players had enough time to rest during the offseason. Anyway, the Lakers have a good bench, and coach Vogel will be able to find a replacement for Davis and James if they are injured again.

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Steph Curry doing 40+ points in the pre-season game is dangerous. As everyone said, games are not played seriously in pre-season so just think what if he played seriously in that game. He comes back now to his usual shape which started last season where he carry alone the Warriors where he always produces good numbers even they are losing.

Draymond Green is the missing key for the Warriors. He should also come back at his best during the time they are dominating the league for years. Curry's big numbers are useless if there's no backup. We have seen that last season.

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Quote from: harizen on October 16, 2021, 06:26:07 PM

Quote from: wheelz1200 on October 16, 2021, 06:10:52 PM

Based on what everyone has seen in the Vegas league and preseason who does everyone have as the ROY? I know cade and jalen green are getting the early nod but I think Evan mobley has a leg up. He is gonna get a ton of minutes and as a true big man he is going to get the stats (rbs and paint points) to garner the ROY or at least have the opportunity. My only hope is that he doesn't sit outside the paint. Gonna put a little dough on him for roy.

No candidate for now. Not much hype and speculation about the early guess of who will be the possible contender for the Rookie of the Year unlike in the previous seasons that there's already a hot player on the discussion even the season is not officially commenced yet.

Quote from: 24Kt on October 16, 2021, 05:02:21 PM

And I do agree, we should not judge them about the preseason games because it is just like for fun, nothing too serious about it. Their performance may change in this upcoming regular season, then, we may see what is the real deal here. But basing the preseason, is not really valid for me. Bookies are busy again with this season. A lot are looking forward to this season because of the pandemic last year.

What do you mean by based on the preseason, what's not valid for you?

Anyways, pre-season games are not for fun even there's a lack of competition. It's a testing phase, especially for bench players. If these players will not perform well in pre-season, coaches won't know if they are fit to blend with the main core lineup. That's the reason why starters mostly rest and let other players on the squad play those games.

Probably because cade hasn't had much time on the court due to a sprained ankle. Jalen has looked a little inefficient when he is on the floor, but it is pre season. He is on the floor with other guys who probably won't see much burn. Knicks finally got quentin grimes off the bench this preseason. Hoping he can make a good impact for 10-15 minutes a game, they definately need better guard play then they got last year in the playoffs.

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Quote from: wheelz1200 on October 16, 2021, 06:10:52 PM

Based on what everyone has seen in the Vegas league and preseason who does everyone have as the ROY? I know cade and jalen green are getting the early nod but I think Evan mobley has a leg up. He is gonna get a ton of minutes and as a true big man he is going to get the stats (rbs and paint points) to garner the ROY or at least have the opportunity. My only hope is that he doesn't sit outside the paint. Gonna put a little dough on him for roy.

No candidate for now. Not much hype and speculation about the early guess of who will be the possible contender for the Rookie of the Year unlike in the previous seasons that there's already a hot player on the discussion even the season is not officially commenced yet.

Quote from: 24Kt on October 16, 2021, 05:02:21 PM

And I do agree, we should not judge them about the preseason games because it is just like for fun, nothing too serious about it. Their performance may change in this upcoming regular season, then, we may see what is the real deal here. But basing the preseason, is not really valid for me. Bookies are busy again with this season. A lot are looking forward to this season because of the pandemic last year.

What do you mean by based on the preseason, what's not valid for you?

Anyways, pre-season games are not for fun even there's a lack of competition. It's a testing phase, especially for bench players. If these players will not perform well in pre-season, coaches won't know if they are fit to blend with the main core lineup. That's the reason why starters mostly rest and let other players on the squad play those games.

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Based on what everyone has seen in the Vegas league and preseason who does everyone have as the ROY? I know cade and jalen green are getting the early nod but I think Evan mobley has a leg up. He is gonna get a ton of minutes and as a true big man he is going to get the stats (rbs and paint points) to garner the ROY or at least have the opportunity. My only hope is that he doesn't sit outside the paint. Gonna put a little dough on him for roy.

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Quote from: 24Kt on October 16, 2021, 05:02:21 PM

Quote from: Jating on October 16, 2021, 04:56:47 PM

^^ And you can't really compare the 2012/2013 Lakers to the current roster. So that argument is flaw in the beginning. The Lakers of today might be competitive though, majority of them joined just to have that one ring, so for sure they will do everything.

The only point of contention for the Lakers is the chemistry - but that's understandable, the season hasn't started yet and people are bashing them basing on the preseason games, Lol.

If we are in the middle of the season and the Lakers are like 20-20 then maybe there is a problem within the team. But at this point wherein the regular technically has started, we cannot say that they are doom to fail because of the chemistry issue.

And I do agree, we should not judge them about the preseason games because it is just like for fun, nothing too serious about it. Their performance may change in this upcoming regular season, then, we may see what is the real deal here. But basing the preseason, is not really valid for me. Bookies are busy again with this season. A lot are looking forward to this season because of the pandemic last year.

Good point, we should judge the early, they can make the adjustments later and I don't think that in the whole season, they will play mediocre. There could be some games that will show up as regulars, but most likely, the chemistry question will be answered in just a couple of games, specially when they play outside against any tough teams in both division. Maybe a good win against the reigning champion, or a good ass whopping of Nets staring KD and Harden.

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Quote from: Jating on October 16, 2021, 04:56:47 PM

^^ And you can't really compare the 2012/2013 Lakers to the current roster. So that argument is flaw in the beginning. The Lakers of today might be competitive though, majority of them joined just to have that one ring, so for sure they will do everything.

The only point of contention for the Lakers is the chemistry - but that's understandable, the season hasn't started yet and people are bashing them basing on the preseason games, Lol.

If we are in the middle of the season and the Lakers are like 20-20 then maybe there is a problem within the team. But at this point wherein the regular technically has started, we cannot say that they are doom to fail because of the chemistry issue.

And I do agree, we should not judge them about the preseason games because it is just like for fun, nothing too serious about it. Their performance may change in this upcoming regular season, then, we may see what is the real deal here. But basing the preseason, is not really valid for me. Bookies are busy again with this season. A lot are looking forward to this season because of the pandemic last year.

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^^ And you can't really compare the 2012/2013 Lakers to the current roster. So that argument is flaw in the beginning. The Lakers of today might be competitive though, majority of them joined just to have that one ring, so for sure they will do everything.

The only point of contention for the Lakers is the chemistry - but that's understandable, the season hasn't started yet and people are bashing them basing on the preseason games, Lol.

If we are in the middle of the season and the Lakers are like 20-20 then maybe there is a problem within the team. But at this point wherein the regular technically has started, we cannot say that they are doom to fail because of the chemistry issue.

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Quote from: Baofeng on October 15, 2021, 05:48:03 PM

Lol, Haters gonna hate though, still early to conclude that there's no chemistry and that they are a good 7th-8th place team. Gonna love those haters, and we all know that Lebron just want some fuel to his quest for another ring and tie the GOAT Michael Jordan at 6.

Well, I remember this team from the 2012/2013 season.
The Lakers built that team to try to beat the Miami big 3 (LeBron, Wade and Bosh), but this LA team was a failure. I know, some players got injured, but I believe they would still have a chance to advance in the playoffs.

The Lakers team is currently excellent (in my opinion), but we will need to see what the team's chemistry will look like over the the regular season, and I also hope that no one gets injured, because this is also an important factor that can tell us the team's future.

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Quote from: danherbias07 on October 16, 2021, 11:57:26 AM

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Quote from: danherbias07 on October 16, 2021, 08:45:51 AM

Will they be hesitant when more calls will be against the offensive player rather than the D?
We may explore it more when Patrick Beverley confronts this named shooters. Grin

No idea of this, what's that new rule?

Meaning an offensive player attempting to be fouled by their defender while doing 3s is not a subject now for a sure call even there's a contact? Unless a clear and intentional foul. Like for example. Harden for three, fake, the defender will jump, Harden will bump the defender on air, foul!

No problem with Curry but for Harden, that's a problem. That was Harden's habit on Houston Rockets and he was always successful in doing that lol.

Yes, that's the new rule. It will be called an offensive foul if the shooter is the one moving forward after a fake or a hesitation move.
Harden will surely need a lot of adjustments and then Trae Young also with his sudden stops bumping to the defender behind him to attract a foul.
It's either the referee will not call anything or it will be against the offensive player.
I bet it will be a little trickier in the start but that is the right call. There have been signs that is being abused by shooter while they already put the hand check rule for them. That's too much "plus" for them, its time to stop it.
The new rule was discussed last year but will fully implemented now.

Yes, this can be attributed to most offensive players such as Steph Curry or Paul Geroge locking your arms which I must say was very effective in getting into the free throws and score points.

Now it's time for them to adjust to this new rule and hopefully the ref will cal it against them so that it will take away the ability of the offensive player and the defensive player will not be frustrated because it is. You try to play good defense but most of the time you get the foul.

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^^ Only two teams that I saw that happen, The Bulls 1995-1996 season (not sure if some of you have been born already) and then the Warriors 2015-2016.

Those two teams are great, they've been playing for years before they dominate the league.

So I'm not sure if Lakers with their current line up can accomplished it within one season. Not saying that they are not that good, but with the level of competition right now, it's going to be very difficult.

Lakers will not do it, they are struggling in the preseason already and that's an evidence that they will not do well early in the regular season. They will have to work on their chemistry first before I would say they have a chance, and remember, Lebron is not young anymore, he has some limitations that's why he chooses to play with the star players so his burden will be lighter.

While there are others who are seeing Lakers negatively, I'm the one who is thinking like "This is only pre-season and I believe that the Lakers are hiding something in their sleeves that will help them in the regular season".

Well if you will see their past resumes, most of them are all stars and most of them are the go-to guy when they are at their primes in their past teams. That isn't the case right now. They are old enough to get outsped by other young players. I'm not saying though that they are not a strong team but we are expecting too much from them and we are disregarding their ages and their chemistry as well.

They are old and they also have limitations as well. We are expecting that they will build a chemistry as they play for a longer time but even though it will be built, I don't think that they are that dominant that to the point that they will be at the top in Western Conference though we might see them in playoffs. Earlier this off-season we are expecting Nets Vs. Lakers in NBA Finals but now that the Lakers are playing this way, do you think that these 2 teams will meet at the NBA Finals still??

It is preseason yes, and will their in season rotation look different, yep. People male too much of it. But between time management and injuries this team is going to have its struggles. I can see 58 is wins for the Lakers this year. No way they get anywhere near 70. Too old.

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Quote from: fullhdpixel on October 16, 2021, 03:39:11 PM

Quote from: Baofeng on October 15, 2021, 05:48:03 PM

Lol, Haters gonna hate though, still early to conclude that there's no chemistry and that they are a good 7th-8th place team. Gonna love those haters, and we all know that Lebron just want some fuel to his quest for another ring and tie the GOAT Michael Jordan at 6.

That year they ended up losing Nash to back injuries, then howard for something else, and the end by the time Kobe took the team to playoffs he pushed himself so hard that he had a horrible injury and after that he never really recovered and he sucked for the rest of his career and eventually retired as well. There is absolutely nothing that we could be basically seeing from this team that would be totally unrelated with each other.

I believe that there is a good chance that they could end up with something that is literally the exactly the same thing. I mean sure we could have this team a lot better if they stay healthy but we could literally see the same exact thing this season as well, with older players end up getting injured constantly and that would be the horrible situation where they end up winning nothing. They are definitely a good team, but way too old, so injuries will definitely play into the result.

The big issue is the chemistry here, yes they are older but they have a lot of players who can help when one is injured but they will not be able to do it successfully if they don't have the chemistry. Like what happened in the past in that picture comparison, it was also the chemistry problem that is the big culprit, and we can understand since these are star players who usually have the same role as each other, which is to lead the team.

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Quote from: Baofeng on October 15, 2021, 05:48:03 PM

Lol, Haters gonna hate though, still early to conclude that there's no chemistry and that they are a good 7th-8th place team. Gonna love those haters, and we all know that Lebron just want some fuel to his quest for another ring and tie the GOAT Michael Jordan at 6.

That year they ended up losing Nash to back injuries, then howard for something else, and the end by the time Kobe took the team to playoffs he pushed himself so hard that he had a horrible injury and after that he never really recovered and he sucked for the rest of his career and eventually retired as well. There is absolutely nothing that we could be basically seeing from this team that would be totally unrelated with each other.

I believe that there is a good chance that they could end up with something that is literally the exactly the same thing. I mean sure we could have this team a lot better if they stay healthy but we could literally see the same exact thing this season as well, with older players end up getting injured constantly and that would be the horrible situation where they end up winning nothing. They are definitely a good team, but way too old, so injuries will definitely play into the result.

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Quote from: danherbias07 on October 16, 2021, 11:57:26 AM

Yes, that's the new rule. It will be called an offensive foul if the shooter is the one moving forward after a fake or a hesitation move.
Harden will surely need a lot of adjustments and then Trae Young also with his sudden stops bumping to the defender behind him to attract a foul.
It's either the referee will not call anything or it will be against the offensive player.
I bet it will be a little trickier in the start but that is the right call. There have been signs that is being abused by shooter while they already put the hand check rule for them. That's too much "plus" for them, its time to stop it.
The new rule was discussed last year but will fully implemented now.

I wasn't fully aware of this new rule. I searched and found this.
https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2021/10/5/22710715/nba-new-rule-shooting-fouls-stephen-curry-steve-kerr

If I understand you correctly, if the defender jumps first and the attacker is on the ground and jumps towards the defender to collision, that's not allowed, right?

I believe with this rule the game can improve, as fouls are often staged by some players.

If I understand you correctly, in this case of Dončić, that would be illegal, right?

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Guys, what do you think about this new rule!!?

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Quote from: agustina2 on October 16, 2021, 09:47:44 AM

Quote from: danherbias07 on October 16, 2021, 08:45:51 AM

Will they be hesitant when more calls will be against the offensive player rather than the D?
We may explore it more when Patrick Beverley confronts this named shooters. Grin

No idea of this, what's that new rule?

Meaning an offensive player attempting to be fouled by their defender while doing 3s is not a subject now for a sure call even there's a contact? Unless a clear and intentional foul. Like for example. Harden for three, fake, the defender will jump, Harden will bump the defender on air, foul!

No problem with Curry but for Harden, that's a problem. That was Harden's habit on Houston Rockets and he was always successful in doing that lol.

Harden is versatile though, that's not what he only has, he can put the ball inside the court and not only take three's, the Nets have other options and I'm pretty sure that Harden is not first option but rather Kevin Durant, he's much more consistent and much more effective, on the other hand, Harden is a good ball handler and can use his floater anytime he wants to or pass it to the bigs, I don't see this as a nerf to Harden but an opportunity for him to use his versatility.

Of course, he will adjust and he has to because they are on a mission this season, they failed last season, they'll try to make it again this season. Harden, though we sometimes criticize his style, all he is doing is legal in the rules of the NBA, now he has to adjust but it's not hard for him since he is not carrying the load alone, he has Durant and Irving (this guy has real problem) too to contribute for the team.

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Quote from: agustina2 on October 16, 2021, 09:47:44 AM

Quote from: danherbias07 on October 16, 2021, 08:45:51 AM

Will they be hesitant when more calls will be against the offensive player rather than the D?
We may explore it more when Patrick Beverley confronts this named shooters. Grin

No idea of this, what's that new rule?

Meaning an offensive player attempting to be fouled by their defender while doing 3s is not a subject now for a sure call even there's a contact? Unless a clear and intentional foul. Like for example. Harden for three, fake, the defender will jump, Harden will bump the defender on air, foul!

No problem with Curry but for Harden, that's a problem. That was Harden's habit on Houston Rockets and he was always successful in doing that lol.

Harden is versatile though, that's not what he only has, he can put the ball inside the court and not only take three's, the Nets have other options and I'm pretty sure that Harden is not first option but rather Kevin Durant, he's much more consistent and much more effective, on the other hand, Harden is a good ball handler and can use his floater anytime he wants to or pass it to the bigs, I don't see this as a nerf to Harden but an opportunity for him to use his versatility.

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