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Quote from: Rosilito on June 15, 2020, 12:30:44 AM

Just to add, look what I found recently on twitter:

Source: https://twitter.com/patbev21/status/1272254786268618752?s=19

Am not sure how to look this at, it feels that it has two sides.

Looks like it. It feels sarcastic for me.
If it is not, then great.

Quote from: Rikafip on June 15, 2020, 01:13:59 AM

Quote from: Reid on June 14, 2020, 12:39:18 PM

Austin Rivers though have a new idea.
https://abc7ny.com/sports/austin-rivers-nba-players-can-use-money-from-season-to-support-black-lives-matter/6246502/

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Houston Rockets guard Austin Rivers made the case on Instagram that NBA players earning their salaries would be able to financially aid the cause while continuing to devote time and energy to the movement.

Now this makes sense. Do your job, as there are bunch of other ways to support something you believe in, world doesn't have to stop. I mean I would understand if players go on strike in case there is systematic racism inside NBA organization. But in this situation, play the game, and then use money and influence to support whatever you want.

It is like being employed in an office job.
If they want a leave of absence then do it.
But they will need to go back if they want their teams to stay on top.
Especially those who are on the 8th-12th seed. I bet they want to participate in playoffs so badly which is why they need to play.

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Quote from: danherbias07 on June 15, 2020, 05:53:53 AM

Quote from: freedomgo on June 15, 2020, 03:20:03 AM

That racism issue does not only happen now, it happen in the past already and NBA is not tolerating that.
as you can see:

Clippers Owner Donald Sterling Banned for Life from NBA for Racist Remarks

That is April 2014.
Next to that is Jordan admitting he is racist at his young age.
May 2014 with the same source of article. Grin

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2054700-michael-jordan-admits-he-considered-himself-a-racist-as-a-child

Happens to everyone when you experience a bad behaviour from another race or color.
I don't think this can be ended since there is still hatred living on each child or each person.

They should still resume NBA and let people know that there could be peace whatever color you may be.
You could be team mates or even better, brothers.

I'm pretty sure the NBA organization wants the season to resume, players can't stop them even with these controversy now.

Actually, they have to be professional as they are "professional player" NBA organization has nothing to do with racism as the organization itself has even ban an NBA team owner for just a racist remark.

What else do they need to see?

They belong in an organization that accepts different races, in fact, NBA opens up the organization for talents from different countries, that's why we've seen a lot of international players being popular in NBA, some example are, Luka Doncic, Dirk Nowitzki, Tony Parker, Manu Ginóbili, and many more.

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Quote from: freedomgo on June 15, 2020, 03:20:03 AM

That racism issue does not only happen now, it happen in the past already and NBA is not tolerating that.
as you can see:

Clippers Owner Donald Sterling Banned for Life from NBA for Racist Remarks

That is April 2014.
Next to that is Jordan admitting he is racist at his young age.
May 2014 with the same source of article. Grin

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2054700-michael-jordan-admits-he-considered-himself-a-racist-as-a-child

Happens to everyone when you experience a bad behaviour from another race or color.
I don't think this can be ended since there is still hatred living on each child or each person.

They should still resume NBA and let people know that there could be peace whatever color you may be.
You could be team mates or even better, brothers.

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Quote from: Rikafip on June 15, 2020, 03:52:04 AM

Quote from: freedomgo on June 15, 2020, 03:20:03 AM

That racism issue does not only happen now, it happen in the past already and NBA is not tolerating that.
as you can see:
Clippers Owner Donald Sterling Banned for Life from NBA for Racist Remarks

Yeah I am familar with that case, and it is another example how NBA deals with racism, and it doesn't tolerate it at all. So why hurt NBA then, by refusing to continue with season? Some of these players keep forgetting that many people will loose their jobs if NBA doesn't continue for a 6 month or a year. NBA is huge business, and many are dependent on that. Are they wiling to support all those people when they get fired?

Another thing, if something as trivial as basketball can distract people so much from something as important, are they genuine in their protests? Even LeBron, who is usually very loud on the subject of racism, wants to continue this season without any further delay, as he realizes that there is room for both things at the same time, one doesn't exclude the other.

Exactly, man. As if the league haven't been facing several problems back then. Am not sure, but looking upon their perspective I don't see any convincing reason to set aside the game just to push through their voices out, as if it would make things over right away Huh

. Not tryin' to mock them or what, maybe they do wanna just join the hype for the sake of getting entitled that they support the protest more than anybody else.

Couldn't blame for being mad about the on-going issue but cancelling the NBA as a whole is a different thing. People who tryin' to get paid to solve their financial problem needed to resume the game, as much as Dwight and Kyrie is concerned about the protest.

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Quote from: freedomgo on June 15, 2020, 03:20:03 AM

That racism issue does not only happen now, it happen in the past already and NBA is not tolerating that.
as you can see:
Clippers Owner Donald Sterling Banned for Life from NBA for Racist Remarks

Yeah I am familar with that case, and it is another example how NBA deals with racism, and it doesn't tolerate it at all. So why hurt NBA then, by refusing to continue with season? Some of these players keep forgetting that many people will loose their jobs if NBA doesn't continue for a 6 month or a year. NBA is huge business, and many are dependent on that. Are they wiling to support all those people when they get fired?

Another thing, if something as trivial as basketball can distract people so much from something as important, are they genuine in their protests? Even LeBron, who is usually very loud on the subject of racism, wants to continue this season without any further delay, as he realizes that there is room for both things at the same time, one doesn't exclude the other.

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Quote from: Rosilito on June 14, 2020, 01:44:41 AM

Quote from: boyptc on June 14, 2020, 12:01:44 AM

Is that a news youtube channel for sports? that's a good if there is no punishment regarding the disagreement of players whenever they have a match.

From what I found, the league would reduced their salaries Undecided

.

To confirm it. I found this article:

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The league is reportedly not requiring its players to participate in the season restart if they are uncomfortable doing so. Players who voluntarily sit out would lose a portion of their salaries, but would otherwise face no consequences.

Source: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.si.com/.amp/nba/2020/06/13/kyrie-irving-nba-season-restart-orlando
(Phrase in bold is what confirms it)

Much better than going to into any sort of legalities. And it is understandable considering the situation they have right now in their country. Loads of confirmed cases, and an on-going protest against racism in some other state. Well, some players like Malcolm Brogdon, and Jaylen Brown, you name it have found participating in the protest.

It's good that this isn't compulsory but I'm sure the spirit of players that wants to play again is always there. Those that have enough savings can easily sit at their homes and watch their team compete.

I'd rather choose health but everyone doesn't have the same situation.

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Quote from: Rikafip on June 15, 2020, 01:13:59 AM

Quote from: Reid on June 14, 2020, 12:39:18 PM

Austin Rivers though have a new idea.
https://abc7ny.com/sports/austin-rivers-nba-players-can-use-money-from-season-to-support-black-lives-matter/6246502/

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Houston Rockets guard Austin Rivers made the case on Instagram that NBA players earning their salaries would be able to financially aid the cause while continuing to devote time and energy to the movement.

Now this makes sense. Do your job, as there are bunch of other ways to support something you believe in, world doesn't have to stop. I mean I would understand if players go on strike in case there is systematic racism inside NBA organization. But in this situation, play the game, and then use money and influence to support whatever you want.

In the end, they will still struggle if they continue to go with their principle, the world needs to continue just like that even in the current situation we are now, the government still allow business to resume as we need our economy to survive.

That racism issue does not only happen now, it happen in the past already and NBA is not tolerating that.
as you can see:

Clippers Owner Donald Sterling Banned for Life from NBA for Racist Remarks

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Quote from: Rosilito on June 14, 2020, 12:02:17 PM

I agree with Kyrie (Irving). Basketball, or entertainment period, isn’t needed at this moment, and will only be a distraction..."
Source: https://edition.cnn.com/us/live-news/george-floyd-protests-06-13-20/h_84500290de6c422310dc94e3d71b93ab

Since those issues are deep and complicated, and won't be solved in a few weeks or month, is Dwight Howard, and all the other players ready not to get salary for years, until all this get sorted? Somehow I doubt they would be ready to do that, to put NBA on hold for longer period if their livelihood gets endangered.

I don't know, somehow I have a feeling that a lot of these NBA players simply jump onto wagon, while they were not so loud in the past in regard of these issues. The one I know was always talking about these issues is LeBron James, but now we can see even Jordan giving hundreds of million, while he didn't want to endorse Harvey Gantt when he went against Jesse Helms, who was known racist. I guess he feels stupid and ashamed now for saying "republicans buy sneakers too".

Quote from: Reid on June 14, 2020, 12:39:18 PM

Austin Rivers though have a new idea.
https://abc7ny.com/sports/austin-rivers-nba-players-can-use-money-from-season-to-support-black-lives-matter/6246502/

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Houston Rockets guard Austin Rivers made the case on Instagram that NBA players earning their salaries would be able to financially aid the cause while continuing to devote time and energy to the movement.

Now this makes sense. Do your job, as there are bunch of other ways to support something you believe in, world doesn't have to stop. I mean I would understand if players go on strike in case there is systematic racism inside NBA organization. But in this situation, play the game, and then use money and influence to support whatever you want.

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Quote from: Finestream on June 13, 2020, 06:22:10 AM

I think that issue will slowly be resolved while they resume the season, I mean, I am a bit bias as I can't wait for the NBA season to resume but I understand how the business runs, and just like the NBA plan to resume even if the covid-19 cases are still increasing, the reason is the economy itself, it has to be properly balance, otherwise USA as a great country will collapse if they only focus on security against covid and will not take care of the economy. I'm just talking here on the general point of view.

I agree, we are bias here but for good.
Just want to watch the game again and of course to bet in our rooted team.

Quote from: verita1 on June 15, 2020, 12:20:02 AM

The USA must make a profound change, and they are already taking their first step through peaceful protests. It is a situation that must solve this longstanding racism problem. The solution should be through voting and eliminating racism and discrimination. I hope, like you, that the violence will also cease, and we can see a spirit of optimism with the resumption of the season with the 22 teams.

https://www.nba.com/article/2020/06/04/board-of-governors-approves-nba-return-official-release

We all wish for that.
Not just for African American but everyone which is being discriminated in the globe.
Let's stop the color division. Yellow, Brown, Black or White. We are all human.

They should create a bill that will protect us whenever it happens again.
It should reach the players too. They could use NBA as a tool to be heard and to stop the bad ways that could also harm the innocent.

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Quote from: Reid on June 14, 2020, 12:39:18 PM

You're welcome!
Actually, the link I have shared with you is about the Howard thing. Grin

I hope you are updated also about the news in States that are going through mayhem because of this racism issue.
Fire, looting, etc..

Oh boy, I missed that Grin

. My apologies

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Quote from: Rosilito on June 14, 2020, 01:44:41 AM

TLDR, it seems he agree with Kyrie's voice out. Problem is that, the league had decided to resume the game having all the votes except Portland (Dunno about their certain reason than 20 teams, it ain't plausible though, anyway). Either way, July 30, IMO would be clearly a resume of the game no matter how against the several players are, with such ideology.

It is actually a problem because we have many African Americans in the NBA.
Just look at it this way.
Howard, Kyrie, and lot more supporting the African American fight against racism and then someone with the same color is playing while they are fighting for it.
How will you're about it?
They want to finish the battle of racism first before they could feel comfort in playing the game.

Yeah, I agree, man. The dilemma Undecided

, this would be a difficult choice for players... on which weigh more. But anyway it is still up for 'em to decide considering they will face no consequences other than a salary cut or whatever it is called. Problem is, it would be no fun to watch NBA games without those starters if they decided not to play at all Sad

.

Just to add, look what I found recently on twitter:

Source: https://twitter.com/patbev21/status/1272254786268618752?s=19

Am not sure how to look this at, it feels that it has two sides.

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The USA must make a profound change, and they are already taking their first step through peaceful protests. It is a situation that must solve this longstanding racism problem. The solution should be through voting and eliminating racism and discrimination. I hope, like you, that the violence will also cease, and we can see a spirit of optimism with the resumption of the season with the 22 teams.

https://www.nba.com/article/2020/06/04/board-of-governors-approves-nba-return-official-release

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Quote from: FanEagle on June 14, 2020, 03:21:40 PM

It is a very tricky subject to go against and criticize the players as well, you can't say anything because if you do either you are a bigot who doesn't understand science or the other one is you are racist and hate blacks. For example, I would like to say something like ; these players have gone outside to protest what has happened to blacks in the nation, yet they do not want to play in NBA with a fear of getting the said sickness, if you are afraid of the sickness why did you go out to protest?

Now this doesn't say you hate blacks, this doesn't say players should play neither, this just talks about a dilemma and whenever you say something like this people blame you for being a bigot and racist, when you are the one who has supported these people for over 2 decades but nobody knows that.

Indeed.
It's difficult to be in the position of NBA management.
They want to entertain people and yet they also want to respect decisions from NBA players who want to join the movement.

A huge portion of NBA players are African Americans and if you include people behind the scenes like security personnel and maintenance, there's a lot more.
As NBA players, they are role models for the mass and I think they are trying to show that by supporting the movement and to protect their race against discrimination.

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It is a very tricky subject to go against and criticize the players as well, you can't say anything because if you do either you are a bigot who doesn't understand science or the other one is you are racist and hate blacks. For example, I would like to say something like ; these players have gone outside to protest what has happened to blacks in the nation, yet they do not want to play in NBA with a fear of getting the said sickness, if you are afraid of the sickness why did you go out to protest?

Now this doesn't say you hate blacks, this doesn't say players should play neither, this just talks about a dilemma and whenever you say something like this people blame you for being a bigot and racist, when you are the one who has supported these people for over 2 decades but nobody knows that.

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Quote from: Rosilito on June 14, 2020, 12:02:17 PM

Quote from: Reid on June 14, 2020, 08:27:53 AM

Quote from: Rosilito on June 14, 2020, 01:44:41 AM

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Different issues, different reasons.
Some of them are joining the Black Lives Matter movement like this one.

https://clutchpoints.com/lakers-news-dwight-howard-supports-kyrie-irving-refuses-play-basketball/

Some have issues the way management of Disney World is doing things.
Security, test, and staff. Those kinds of issues.

They all agree back in March and April until George Floyd's questionable death in the street.
Some players are shaken and others are trying to be in the middle of the racism issue.

Thanks for the clarification, man. But I don't see any report against the implementation of it except Portland who might be against the 22 teams, and prefer 20 teams to be invited with; (might be because Dame wouldn't play on the remaining 8 games Huh

). More over, there were protest as you mentioned, that is on-going issue about "Black Lives Matter" have in US Undecided

.

Talk about the protest, I stumble upon this latest statement about Howard in Reddit.
And here's what I got upon clicking the news:

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"I agree with Kyrie (Irving). Basketball, or entertainment period, isn’t needed at this moment, and will only be a distraction. "I agree with Kyrie (Irving). Basketball, or entertainment period, isn’t needed at this moment, and will only be a distraction..."

Source: https://edition.cnn.com/us/live-news/george-floyd-protests-06-13-20/h_84500290de6c422310dc94e3d71b93ab

You're welcome!
Actually, the link I have shared with you is about the Howard thing. Grin

I hope you are updated also about the news in States that are going through mayhem because of this racism issue.
Fire, looting, etc..

Quote from: Rosilito on June 14, 2020, 01:44:41 AM

TLDR, it seems he agree with Kyrie's voice out. Problem is that, the league had decided to resume the game having all the votes except Portland (Dunno about their certain reason than 20 teams, it ain't plausible though, anyway). Either way, July 30, IMO would be clearly a resume of the game no matter how against the several players are, with such ideology.

It is actually a problem because we have many African Americans in the NBA.
Just look at it this way.
Howard, Kyrie, and lot more supporting the African American fight against racism and then someone with the same color is playing while they are fighting for it.
How will you're about it?
They want to finish the battle of racism first before they could feel comfort in playing the game.

Austin Rivers though have a new idea.
https://abc7ny.com/sports/austin-rivers-nba-players-can-use-money-from-season-to-support-black-lives-matter/6246502/

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Houston Rockets guard Austin Rivers made the case on Instagram that NBA players earning their salaries would be able to financially aid the cause while continuing to devote time and energy to the movement.

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Quote from: Reid on June 14, 2020, 08:27:53 AM

Quote from: Rosilito on June 14, 2020, 01:44:41 AM

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Different issues, different reasons.
Some of them are joining the Black Lives Matter movement like this one.

https://clutchpoints.com/lakers-news-dwight-howard-supports-kyrie-irving-refuses-play-basketball/

Some have issues the way management of Disney World is doing things.
Security, test, and staff. Those kinds of issues.

They all agree back in March and April until George Floyd's questionable death in the street.
Some players are shaken and others are trying to be in the middle of the racism issue.

Thanks for the clarification, man. But I don't see any report against the implementation of it except Portland who might be against the 22 teams, and prefer 20 teams to be invited with; (might be because Dame wouldn't play on the remaining 8 games Huh

). More over, there were protest as you mentioned, that is on-going issue about "Black Lives Matter" have in US Undecided

.

Talk about the protest, I stumble upon this latest statement about Howard in Reddit.
And here's what I got upon clicking the news:

Quote

"I agree with Kyrie (Irving). Basketball, or entertainment period, isn’t needed at this moment, and will only be a distraction. "I agree with Kyrie (Irving). Basketball, or entertainment period, isn’t needed at this moment, and will only be a distraction..."

Source: https://edition.cnn.com/us/live-news/george-floyd-protests-06-13-20/h_84500290de6c422310dc94e3d71b93ab

TLDR, it seems he agree with Kyrie's voice out. Problem is that, the league had decided to resume the game having all the votes except Portland (Dunno about their certain reason than 20 teams, it ain't plausible though, anyway). Either way, July 30, IMO would be clearly a resume of the game no matter how against the several players are, with such ideology.

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Quote from: boyptc on June 14, 2020, 12:01:44 AM

Quote from: LogitechMouse on June 13, 2020, 07:56:54 PM

I have watched a video on youtube saying that if the player will not be punished if they don't want to play this time. Yes it is part of their job as a player and they are under a contract but I think the health of every player is more important right now than the contract. Players didn't want this to happen and no one want too but if I'm on their situation, I will not risk my life too unless there are very strict guidelines that will be implemented but I'm not in a 100% condition still.

Is that a news youtube channel for sports? that's a good if there is no punishment regarding the disagreement of players whenever they have a match.

They can't really push a player to play if he don't want even there is a contract.

Case to case basis, if the player/s are concern about his physical health no one can force him to play, knowing that the virus still infecting more
people, if he don't want to risk his health then no one can force him.

There's reason behind and it's not simple even there's contract behind but reason can be contest since it's all about health security
that in risk.

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Quote from: Rosilito on June 14, 2020, 01:44:41 AM

Am not sure, and I don't quite follow. Is this about Kyrie's concern? Or was it a different story? (Please enlighten me with this one

, Thank you)

Different issues, different reasons.
Some of them are joining the Black Lives Matter movement like this one.

https://clutchpoints.com/lakers-news-dwight-howard-supports-kyrie-irving-refuses-play-basketball/

Some have issues the way management of Disney World is doing things.
Security, test, and staff. Those kinds of issues.

They all agree back in March and April until George Floyd's questionable death in the street.
Some players are shaken and others are trying to be in the middle of the racism issue.

The most fearful thing that could happen is... if this racism talk goes inside the players and management while at play.
I am sure there will be times it will be discussed and there may be a misunderstanding that would lead to a bad end.

Remember the Michael Porter Jr tweet which was bashed by different NBA players just like that.
It was not a bad tweet. It talks about prayer for both sides. I think I shared it here. I will try to dig it.
Edit:
Here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.54518130
Imagine if that happens in one team.

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Quote from: boyptc on June 14, 2020, 12:01:44 AM

Quote from: LogitechMouse on June 13, 2020, 07:56:54 PM

I have watched a video on youtube saying that if the player will not be punished if they don't want to play this time. Yes it is part of their job as a player and they are under a contract but I think the health of every player is more important right now than the contract. Players didn't want this to happen and no one want too but if I'm on their situation, I will not risk my life too unless there are very strict guidelines that will be implemented but I'm not in a 100% condition still.

Is that a news youtube channel for sports? that's a good if there is no punishment regarding the disagreement of players whenever they have a match.

From what I found, the league would reduced their salaries Undecided

.

To confirm it. I found this article:

Quote from: Bttzed03 on June 14, 2020, 12:49:04 AM

Quote from: danherbias07 on June 13, 2020, 06:12:43 AM

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Player voices was not heard. The voting of the July tip-off just came from NBA management without regards to what the players feel.

It was only right for the NBA management to craft the format first before talking to the player's association. If I read the NBPA's statement correctly, they all approved the resumption but they have issues with its implementation.

Am not sure, and I don't quite follow. Is this about Kyrie's concern? Or was it a different story? (Please enlighten me with this one

, Thank you)

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Quote from: danherbias07 on June 13, 2020, 06:12:43 AM

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Player voices was not heard. The voting of the July tip-off just came from NBA management without regards to what the players feel.

It was only right for the NBA management to craft the format first before talking to the player's association. If I read the NBPA's statement correctly, they all approved the resumption but they have issues with its implementation.

Quote from: https://nbpa.com/news/nbpa-statement-on-return-to-play-scenario

The Board of Player Representatives of the National Basketball Players Association (NBPA) has approved further negotiations with the NBA on a 22-team return to play scenario to restart the 2019-20 NBA season. Various details remain to be negotiated and the acceptance of the scenario would still require that all parties reach agreement on all issues relevant to resuming play.

I'm confident the NBA and NBPA will sort these things out.

I don't know who are the concerned players who wants strict health protocols in place but if any one of them already participated in mass gatherings, they shouldn't be complaining. They shouldn't play either.

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Quote from: LogitechMouse on June 13, 2020, 07:56:54 PM

I have watched a video on youtube saying that if the player will not be punished if they don't want to play this time. Yes it is part of their job as a player and they are under a contract but I think the health of every player is more important right now than the contract. Players didn't want this to happen and no one want too but if I'm on their situation, I will not risk my life too unless there are very strict guidelines that will be implemented but I'm not in a 100% condition still.

Is that a news youtube channel for sports? that's a good if there is no punishment regarding the disagreement of players whenever they have a match.

They can't really push a player to play if he don't want even there is a contract.

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