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There must be a level between Bill Laimbeer going up to hit someone in the head and acting like he did that to block the ball but just missed and hit the other player in the head, and James Harden getting a foul for basically breathing. It is not a neither nor level of deal, there is a big space between those two.

I know 2004 pistons had a situation with Pacers and that was bad, hell they even climbed the stands and attacked a player so they were definitely not nice, but that is literally the maximum limit I am saying that should be allowed, not the ideal situation where every team should be like that. If you want to talk about historically best defensive team, that is the maximum I can give you, Bad Boys would not be a defensive team in my mind, it would be just criminals disguised as basketball players.

Yeah, its to keep them safe but it went to the skies for being dramatic.
Harden being hit in his beard is foul?
Harden trying to stop Green to inbound the ball as fast as he could, Green pushed him  and ref called a foul or tech.
Why? It should be Harden which should be called for delaying the game.

The media has some contributions here trying to make some players look bad.
Even the 80's Pistons looks so bad now even if some of them are done in the book.
Let us remember, basketball is a physical game.

Not just Bill Laimbeer, but then there was a lot of tough inside player and Center so it is really hard to see how Draymond's mentality and physically will go against those kind of players back then. Detroit are really intimidating that time, but it doesn't mean that teams are afraid of the Pistons. But yeah, since the rules has change a lot, players becoming "soft". You can still play defense though, but not at rugged as the 80's and a simply bump here and there are now called a foul.

I could not imagine how Draymond Green would fare if he is on the time where the Bad Boys Pistons reign. IMO, he also have that mentality of Bill Laimbeer, it is just he is being pulled by the new rules of the NBA. Green does tough defense thus sometimes he unintentionally hurt some of them but if that is on the 1988-89 season, it would be just a regular foul not a flagrant one. Rules in the NBA now are making players somehow soft but that is also for the longevity of their basketball career.

Big is enough, or just huge. Pick one.

Look, they are not perfect too. Why? Have you seen the royal rumble from Pacers and Pistons? Same players in that team.
They also have intention of hurting people. So, both just did something wrong.
If they are facing a player in the name of Ron Artest (MetaWorldPeace) they are suddenly aggravated.
Same goes with the 1980's Pistons if they are against players which have the same behavior.

You are correct. Those are the stats before.
A lot of change had happened and that is why we are seeing score at 120-130 now.
i.e. hand check

Gotta wait for the young guys to develop specially Morrant, who got the nerves to go directly with tall guys and try to poster. I just hope that attitude won't harm him.


The total points 1988-89 Pistons made is 8740, and the total points of the opponents they faced is 8264. The total points average per game by 1988-89 Pistons is 106.6 while the opponent is 100.8. The point gap wasn't that high so it indicates that 1988-89 NBA teams are showing strong offense as well. Since if the said team was really a great defender (I am not denying lol, it was that the opponent have a great offense as well) more or less might not be able to score an average of 3 digits per game.

Comparing it to the league right now,  I don't think that they can execute something as physically as that. Referees now are soft like when Harden goes in it would always be foul, right away lol. Kiddin' aside, the entirety of the game right now is totally different because even big guys nowadays are shooting from 3 pt line instead of having a bloody battle inside the paint.

Here's the source of stats I mentioned above: https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/DET/1989.html
(Please correct me, if I misinterpret the whole thing)

I wonder what would be the scoring range of the team that plays against the bad boys pistons in 1988.. If they are so physical then probably their opponent will be having a hard time to score, probably the score would not reach 100 points per game, or maybe they'll just hit 60 or 70 points, that's the lowest already at the current state of the basketball.

 Think about it this way, there are very good defensive players right now and there has always been good defense players in the history of NBA, many people talk about how "nba is pure offense these days" and so forth but thats mainly because teams only have defense specialty players amongts themselves but not all in one place. What if you had Pat Bev on point guard, Marcus Smart on Shooting Guard, Kawhi Leonard on Small Forward, Either Paskal Siakam (because he is very good on defense) or basically just get Giannis for Power Forward and had Rudy Gobert on Center, that 5 would be a BEAST on defense right? Put a great defensive coach on them instead of someone like Dantoni, and you have yourself the best defensive five in the last 10 years, yet we all know those players would never want to harm anyone (even tho Rudy almost spread Corona to nba just himself ) they would both stop everyone but at the same time would be friends with others too, thats what matters, play tough D on court, but never intend to hurt neither pscyhologically or physically.

agree on this one, there is a big difference and hard defense is when to play pressing and close to players, but without intention to hurt someone, just to make attacking team nervous, so that they make more mistakes, it is hard to do it, and requires total strength from players that are playing defense, also influence lack of easy scoring in the attack mode for the team

I am not saying do not have hard defense, I am saying there is a HUGE difference between hard defense and physically going after the players to injure. Go check out the bad boys era and how Laimbeer or Rodman played during those times, you will realize that more than any other player Laimbeer actually wanted to hurt people, literally go up to injure them if he can by the rules of the game.

Compare that to 2004 pistons, you think 2004 pistons wasn't hard defense team? Hell Rasheed Wallece was basically an enforcer as well, Ben Wallace was the best rim defender I can ever think of, dude was just insane, Prince had those looooooong arms that he can defend very well, basically all in all 2004 pistons was epitome of good hard defense that was amazing to watch, I would prefer 2004 pistons over any team in the league history because I love defense, however there should be a limit between hard defense and actually wanting to injure players, intention is where it is and if your intention is to play hard defense but you end up hurting someone mistakenly that's fine, you didn't want that to happen and it is basketball sometimes players gets injured, however if you really WANTED to injure a player, that is disgusting and that is why I love 2004 pistons but I hate 1988 Pistons, BIG HUGE difference.

Probably you are right, but some players wants a championship as that would give them full satisfaction as a great player, but they just failed.
A lot of great players in the NBA that was not able to win a championship, they joined a good team to increase their chance but failed, just like Steve Nash who joined Kobe.

There is a funny part there which is also the truth.
Malone and Payton came to that roster just seeking for a ring.
That is their final chance and they went to the strongest team before retirement.
Somehow, it still didn't happen.

Should have just left a great history from them staying with their teams.
They are not losers, they are still winners and it will be written in books. But going that far, there may be a little group of their fans which they lose from doing it.

I wasn't able to follow that, is that the reason why Shaq transferred to other team?

I think with so much star in a team who are willing to score, it does not work in the past since most of the plays are from the inside.
TBH, only the warriors team I saw that despite having a lot of stars playing, they are still able to blend very well.

I only saw the part when the Spurs are playing with the bad boys, and it was a real good series.

I remember this team who almost achieved what the badboys did, I was thinking that this team who composed of Billups, Prince, Wallace, and Hamilton will also have back-to-back in their era but Spurs defeated them in game 7 of 2005.
This team beats Lakers who have Malone, Payton, Kobe and Shaq.

Those were different times, with different set of rules. They didn't have offense potential of Celtics and Lakers, they had tough and gritty players, that used their skill set best. It looks easy, just but it isn't at all, and I admire them for taking different  approach from then reigning teams, and beating them.. And it wasn't about injuring other players, it was about psychology game too, initimidating the opponents, and getting them out of rhythm. There is a good quote from thier most notorious player, Laimbeer, about that aspect.

Source

After all, they called them Bad Boys for a reason, they had no respect for anyone,  and they did whatever was needed to win, including dirty tricks. And that is something that didn't fit the NBA, as majority people didn't want to watch something like that on the regular basis. They want attractive slam dunks, and bunch of points.

NBA reportedly considering Walt Disney World as possible site to finish 2019-20 season
https://twitter.com/Stadium/status/1255646231273132044

“I’m told Disney’s believed to have already offered up its property as the NBA sees fit. The NBA has discussed and considered several different playing sites, Orlando being the latest. Las Vegas has also been discussed.”

https://www.sactownroyalty.com/2020/4/29/21242284/nba-considering-walt-disney-world-to-finish-2020-21-season

It's a physical game, what do you expect.
Try to compare it with American Football and Rugby, it is worse.

This is another example of us getting dragged by NBA getting softer.
We want them just trying to evade someone who is forcing their way into the paint?
That is not how it is. You try to stop them as much as you could as long as it is in the book.
Now, some injuries may happen but some of them are not intentional. Accidents will happen.

Try playing streetball and you could see real basketball.
I had been hurt so bad in the streets but I always tell myself that is how it is.
If you can't take it, don't play at all. Try chess.

https://nypost.com/2020/04/28/the-last-dance-bill-laimbeer-escalates-feud-with-whining-bulls/

This is also why I like Lebron in his own way.
He doesn't whine.
He had been physically hurt in mid-air or dragged down but he knows it is part of the game.

As per Wikipedia, his last team was Chicago bulls but his stay with the Pistons was the longest.

Watching them grow old, retire makes us also feel old.

Well, he's retired on 2016-2017 season, he's in his 40's now I guess that's the reason. Imagine being on Sophomore year and he already got a championship I think that's a major achievement in his career. I could remember him playing with the Memphis along with Randolph, Gasol, and Conley. He's good especially on the board and with those length of hands he surely is dominant on that area.

I only long for the Clippers right now I think they have the dynamic roster in the NBA.

Agree man. However, they aren't the only team who is capable of getting in playoffs or even in the finals. These promising young guns have to be considered as well Luka Doncic, Zion Williamson, Ja Morrant, and Trae Young they are scary, I mean, just look on where these man are capable as of their rookie state, and imagine how capable they would be in the future. Curry and Thompson have been tainted by injuries if they could still get their accuracy, and playstyle like to what it was then they might be still one of a terrifying team to face-off.
Not to mention Giannis team, and Kawhi's, man, NBA team roster is a whole lot different now.