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Nets had a "do or die" mentality ever since day one, they were the ones who got very old players to go to playoffs to not make anything and then be horrible for many seasons just because of that season as well, Celtics literally recovered without tanking all thanks to them. Now they are doing the same mistake, this time it is not old but crazy players.

Durant and Irving are both amazing players and if they are healthy they play so well that the other three players do not even matter, a team with 100% Durant plus Irving could make it to playoffs and even go to finals just with talent (and they have decent other players as well). The trouble is, even if they are fully healthy, these players are locker room cancer and they always get hatred from the old teams they played in. So I assume this was another do or die move from nets and they failed at it once again.

Alright, alright. You are both correct but it is a different timeline now.
I think this also explains into why other teams would want Kyrie and Durant even with a huge payroll.
Remember how Stephen Smith rant about why the Knicks didn't offer anything to Durant.

This all goes about the medical technology.
Way different now. They can now fix an Achilles injury and it will almost like nothing happened.
 
Before, this kind of injuries will sure cut a lot of their 'per season' salary. i.e. Cousins.
But Durant had the money, the ring and so does Kyrie. These guys already proved themselves.
History and money for medical support. If you have that then offers will still be at a good number.
Injuries don't last for a long time anymore and we could see it. 1 season may be the farthest.
They will risk it for a big name.
Also consider how much tickets will be sold. 

As I was saying, if the reason why these players are traded is because they are easily injured, I don't think other teams will accept them.
Instead of being an asset, they'll become a liability of the team, and even if they are stars now, that doesn't mean they will still be the same players in the future especially when injury is the problem.

If you know Greg Oden, he was a 1st overall pick back in 2007 for the Blazers, played an impressive games before he was injured but after the injury, he wasn't back to his normal, so he become a wasted talent, and no team signs him with a good price if I am not mistaken.


It's better to talk about the future than the past, it's more relevant here in the discussion.
I am advance because I am just sharing my opinion on what could possibly happen to these two players that Nets paid for a max contract.

If you were able to understand everything I posted,.. I was using the word "IF", meaning it's just a possibility.

For sure there's team that will consider them being part of their squad. This two superstars have their own worth if being added to any teams Nets might not getting the benefits right now but considering them playing together after this season or if ever both are healthy once the team manage to stay at the second round. KD showed some practice videos and seems that it's working a lot to get in shape.

Refer to my other post after that. I said that Nets might consider trading those 2 if they will continue to be injured. No teams will show interest to them? How sure you are? If Nets decided to trade them, lets say next season or two, for sure there are teams that will acquire them. Durant and Kyrie for low price? Why not? Didn't you know that Nets can work on buyout or waived these players.

Its just their first year with the Nets. Why so advanced? The main point here is the Nets decision to take the risks and someone said they will regret in the future which I think not. Thats why I said, Nets are already aware of the risks so they gambled for it without regret. If they are not ready for these why they signed Durant while on the bed with a serious injury, why they signed Kyrie even these guy was out the almost the whole season in his 1st year with the Celtics and not effective when he came back the 2nd year. Its a max contract and that contract value can't just be offered without consideration.

Anyway these are only IF. Like most NBA fans want to see, I hope Nets comeback next year in a full healthy lineup with Durant and Irving leading the team.

This article below is dated MARCH 12, 2013, but it still says about his injury.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1563024-is-kyrie-already-irving-injury-prone-or-does-he-just-have-bad-luck

I don't really follow the injury updates of Irving all the time but as an avid fan of the sport, I notice that he is not available most of the time, although we can say that the injury is not that serious since he can still come back and play and produce good numbers, but its really annoying to miss one of the best players in NBA not getting the opportunity to carry his team.

I really thought it was just the knee injury that came from colliding with Bradley Beal.

https://www.nba.com/article/2020/02/01/kyrie-irving-leaves-sprained-right-knee

This shoulder injury of him is really killing the entertainment of watching Brooklyn.
Last time he made 50 points and I really enjoyed that. Which I also thought is the clue that he is already fine and healthy.
He could stay that long playing the game without any sign of pain.
Now this.
They still have some good role players though. They will need to hold that line on the 7th spot. Wizards is not that far away with just 5 wins differential.

As it goes longer it will also change their market value, if Nets aren't interested with the two, it would be stupid for the other team to get them if they can't help the team based on their expectation. Who would like Irving that can't complete a season and this season, he hasn't played much too, and Durant is still uncertain if he will be back to his old self since the injury was really serious.

Of course, they were signed to compete for the team lol. I'm not saying that the trade value is what the Nets up for. But if these 2 players will keep getting injured then no choice but to consider trading them before they reached the final year of the contract since both have player options. You have the point that their trade value might become low but that value will not decline overnight for the likes of Irving and Durant.

And the Nets offered max contracts without knowing the risks of getting these 2? They already know that so no regret on their part. They have a plan for that, if things go wrong, then consider doing a trade, but as much as possible, since they pay a max contract, they are hoping for the best. Like I said we can just see the full power of Nets once their superstars now finally team up on the floor.

They are paying max contracts I dont think they paid those 2 just to trade them.  If they keep getting injured their trade value will be low because of their contracts and if they are playing well they wont want to trade them because that's why they signed them...to compete.  So trade value is not what they are looking for

I'm not really expecting to Brooklyn Nets this season even with a healthy Kyrie.

We will just see the full power of the Nets next season once Durant comes back.

And with the competition in the East, even without Kyrie, I think they can manage to sit at 7 to 8th spot until the season ends.


Nets already anticipate that and they already know the problem they will face about these 2. Both Irving and Durant, even with their injuries are still a big fish that other teams want to get. Nets will have a good benefit once they deal with the 2 on the trading market.

Indefinitely just means they dont have a timeline.  The nets season is a wash but I was even thinking in the years to come on their contracts.  It might be a case of where each of them end up playing 40 games a year with nagging injuries.  I hope not because I love watching durant play.

But they might miss this season, and if not, I am afraid they'll have and early exit as they don't has a good winning experience in playoffs.
Durant is out for this season for sure, Irving out indefinitely per his status, so I think we can expect he'll be out for the season too. 

For once I am glad the knicks didnt sign them 2 actually.  I know durant in theory should come back and be a monster, but the dude blew out his Achilles, as tall as he is and the rigors of the nba he will prob be on and off again injured too.  A little too early to tell but nets might end up regretting this.

Irving is different, he was dealing with that shoulder injury ever since, especially when he was still playing with the Celtics and probably that was the reason why he wasn't sign by the Celtics and look at the Celtics now, they are more better without Irving.

That is the problem. They could just close out a game with a free throw, and I don't think that is something people would be looking for. The problem is that they can't just put "no foul will called in the last minute of the game" since that could be abused by some of the players. Maybe they could stick to something like the last points should be done with a field goal, a dunk, a three-point, a layup, a fadeaway anything that is not a free throw.

A statue in front of the Staples Center, I think is close to happening compared to the NBA logo or changing the stadium name. It's a great tribute. Shaq already has one.

Also mentioned by the above post, every year, we will now hear Kobe's name at the All-Star MVP trophy announcement. If I'm not mistaken, this is the first time that the award was followed to an NBA player so that's already a big honor to Kobe as renaming it wasn't considered before.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_All-Star_Game_Kobe_Bryant_Most_Valuable_Player

Injuries are unexpected so i cant see that it was a wrong move made by Nets on getting these superstars.

For now they do only face up problems yet these good players do suffer from injuries and of course we do know on what
would happen next.

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Its not really that necessary though but making it happen would be nice.

I would say NBA completely doing something to honor Kobe is already done with the all-star MVP and that is enough but I think I see Lakers doing something major to honor Kobe right now. Like maybe not right away but maybe in the off-season or maybe even in the few years following that but I feel like there could be something done by the Lakers to honor him.

I don't even mean just a statue of him outside the staple center neither, that is given, even Shaq has one and even tho he is a great player and a Laker legend dude is still alive, so to honor Kobe they will have to do something major to overhaul whole team. I was thinking about changing the stadiums name but I realized it is shared with clippers and I guess some other stuff as well so maybe not that but something as major as changing the stadium name.

 It turns out Drummond is already creating troubles in Cavs, he said that if the coach is back next season he will be out and he has a player option at the end of the season or maybe next season I don't remember so that kinda means dude will be gone probably. However even if they kick Bel out to keep drummond, they are not going to get any good with Drummond neither and neither Kevin Love nor Drummond could ever help them, no team would want to pay that much for those players neither as well.

 The ideal situation is this. A team has a 20+ million dollar salary player for another 3 years or maybe 2 or 4 who knows and they do not want that player on their team right? They want to get rid of him because there is still a lot of years on the contract left (remember mozgov situation) what Cavs can do is give them Drummond instead who will be free agent soon and the team may not resign Drummond, that way that team will have a player who has the same amount of salary but leaving very soon instead of a player with same salary who will be there for years. In return cavs could ask for second round picks or maybe even a late first round pick for that.

 They can do that for both Kevin Love and Drummond when the time is right, if they do that they can do the rebuilding properly.