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Quote from: harizen on May 03, 2020, 04:31:15 PM

Quote from: Reid on May 02, 2020, 09:11:22 AM

He is in good hands now with Dallas. If I am Mark Cuban I would keep this guy just like Doncic.

Unfortunately, Cuban is known for not retaining a role player. He is always focused on the main core. Kind of, rushing things while building up. A famous one is when he destroyed their championship lineup, the season after they get their first NBA title. I never forget his bad move about that as a long Mavericks enthusiast lol. And he always does that kind of moves every season although I like the last one which is transferring DSJ to Knicks as I noticed, this guy's chemistry with Doncic is not that good.

He screw this up. Totally agree with you.
They defeated a strong Miami back then, he should've keep them for another year.
It is like the story of the Bulls when they changed their GM at The Last Dance film.
Also on the brink of breaking the team.

Quote from: harizen on May 03, 2020, 04:31:15 PM

Seth is also inconsistent in every game. He can be fired up today but the other day, poor performance. The reason that Cuban might look into the future.

I think that inconsistency came from not having much minutes in his teams before.
Now, he could remain hot if they will put him on the main core.

Quote from: harizen on May 03, 2020, 04:31:15 PM

But in fairness, Cuban maybe see something to Seth that's why they consider having him back to the team. No way they will just offer a 4-year contract to this guy without a good reason.

It might be because of what he did during the WCF against GSW.
He really shine there with his defense.

Cuban may knew he already had an offensive guy in the name of Doncic and now he is just looking for role players for their weaknesses which is defense.

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Quote from: Sanitough on May 03, 2020, 05:15:11 PM

Quote from: harizen on May 03, 2020, 04:31:15 PM

Quote from: Reid on May 02, 2020, 09:11:22 AM

He is in good hands now with Dallas. If I am Mark Cuban I would keep this guy just like Doncic.

Unfortunately, Cuban is known for not retaining a role player. He is always focused on the main core. Kind of, rushing things while building up. A famous one is when he destroyed their championship lineup, the season after they get their first NBA title. I never forget his bad move about that as a long Mavericks enthusiast lol. And he always does that kind of moves every season although I like the last one which is transferring DSJ to Knicks as I noticed, this guy's chemistry with Doncic is not that good.

Seth is also inconsistent in every game. He can be fired up today but the other day, poor performance. The reason that Cuban might look into the future.

But in fairness, Cuban maybe see something to Seth that's why they consider having him back to the team. No way they will just offer a 4-year contract to this guy without a good reason.

They have a very young line up, and I think they are ready for the championship if they keep improving.
The best in the NBA like Lebron, Kawhi, Durant, and Curry will soon age and retire, so they might take the throne in the East, Doncic being able to show an MVP caliber at a very young age, I wonder, he will just continue to improve as long as he is healthy.

Hopefully when Dallas achieve that success again, Cuban will not make the same mistakes he did before.

Time flies and those top players of this era will surely be replaced by younger ones and i dont have any doubts with Doncic into that place. He already prove out that he's capable for such recognition.
For now its still early to say about retirements or whatsoever but we already have in mind and do able to witness which players are in next in line.

Cuban will surely not commit the same mistake and as harizen said about Seth, getting him again does really have a significant reason.

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Quote from: harizen on May 03, 2020, 04:31:15 PM

Quote from: Reid on May 02, 2020, 09:11:22 AM

He is in good hands now with Dallas. If I am Mark Cuban I would keep this guy just like Doncic.

Unfortunately, Cuban is known for not retaining a role player. He is always focused on the main core. Kind of, rushing things while building up. A famous one is when he destroyed their championship lineup, the season after they get their first NBA title. I never forget his bad move about that as a long Mavericks enthusiast lol. And he always does that kind of moves every season although I like the last one which is transferring DSJ to Knicks as I noticed, this guy's chemistry with Doncic is not that good.

Seth is also inconsistent in every game. He can be fired up today but the other day, poor performance. The reason that Cuban might look into the future.

But in fairness, Cuban maybe see something to Seth that's why they consider having him back to the team. No way they will just offer a 4-year contract to this guy without a good reason.

They have a very young line up, and I think they are ready for the championship if they keep improving.
The best in the NBA like Lebron, Kawhi, Durant, and Curry will soon age and retire, so they might take the throne in the East, Doncic being able to show an MVP caliber at a very young age, I wonder, he will just continue to improve as long as he is healthy.

Hopefully when Dallas achieve that success again, Cuban will not make the same mistakes he did before.

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Quote from: Reid on May 02, 2020, 09:11:22 AM

He is in good hands now with Dallas. If I am Mark Cuban I would keep this guy just like Doncic.

Unfortunately, Cuban is known for not retaining a role player. He is always focused on the main core. Kind of, rushing things while building up. A famous one is when he destroyed their championship lineup, the season after they get their first NBA title. I never forget his bad move about that as a long Mavericks enthusiast lol. And he always does that kind of moves every season although I like the last one which is transferring DSJ to Knicks as I noticed, this guy's chemistry with Doncic is not that good.

Seth is also inconsistent in every game. He can be fired up today but the other day, poor performance. The reason that Cuban might look into the future.

But in fairness, Cuban maybe see something to Seth that's why they consider having him back to the team. No way they will just offer a 4-year contract to this guy without a good reason.

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Seth was highest % in the three point shooting one season I think, a better shooter when you consider efficiency because Seth is only taking shots when he feels like he is open and he can shoot. Steph is not like that because he is the main scorer of a 5 time finals team, so obviously Steph will shoot a lot more and that includes crazy shots that we all know Steph very well about. Dude shoots from almost the logo time to time and he makes them more than other players as well so that is why he can do it.

I compare seth with klay more, they are both shooters and purely that, a shooter. I still would want to see Seth at warriors though, think about putting Steph and point guard and Seth at shooting guard and Klay at small forward. That would basically be ideal for them and I do not know how two brothers would play together, it will be either awesome or would be very bad.

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Quote from: Japinat on May 03, 2020, 02:31:39 AM

I agree with you on that, I think he needs to be a starter now, unfortunately, it was Doncic who is handling that ball so what's going to be his position.
Unlike Steph, he is the ball handler so he can generate his own shot, maybe if Dallas will think of changing Doncic role and give it to Curry, that's the time Curry could be more valuable, but not sure if they like to work that way.

Yeah, although I think it will not be a problem with Doncic.
He is a all around guy and unselfish.
His stats says it all. Triple doubles or mostly double double with assists as his second stat.
He could be the point and Seth will be the off guard.
Seth could shoot three's so most likely he will be running looking for an opening or creating one for Doncic.

The defensive part of him is what needed the most. They could come back easily if he did it perfectly.

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Quote from: Captain Corporate on May 02, 2020, 10:29:23 AM

You guys are talking about "good defenders", I wasn't talking about good defenders, I was talking about hardcore defense that aims at hurting other people. It is shocking that you talked about defenders and even gave Iggy as an example yet never mentioned Kawhi, dude is a prime example of someone who can lock players on perimeter as well, he is literally the best defender in the league right now at his position if you ask me. However that still doesn't change a thing.

Bad Boys were known as the team who hurt other players, intentionally, trying to injure them. How did they do it? Well on their era players went inside a lot, from centers to guards everyone went to the rim, so when the scorer jumped, they jumped on him and thats how they were defending so "hard" (basically being a shitty person). None of the players you listed does that. There is no method you can hurt someone when they are shooting a three except putting your foot under that shooter. I agree with Zaza situation, that was literally the first thing I can remember but even with that a player can do that only so many times before getting blacklisted from the league, look at what happened to Zaza, dude basically is hated by every single team on NBA nowadays because of it.

Kawhai indeed have that skills, defending players from his position and really make it difficult to get the shot, he's sticky style of playing defense.

Agree to that Zaza thing, back then badboys do a lots of alike they can hurt you whoever you are, they are not going to give you points without feeling the pain, easy basket is not existing when you are playing against the badboys, this team was developed with common goals, they are good with how they execute the defensive stop.

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Quote from: Reid on May 02, 2020, 09:11:22 AM

Quote from: stadus on May 02, 2020, 04:17:24 AM

Quote from: Reid on May 02, 2020, 03:03:35 AM

I still remember how he defended his brother earning 3 steals from him at the Western Conference Finals.

He knows his brother very well, so I'm not surprise about it, Seth Curry now has improve, especially with the Dallas Mavericks, I can see his brother to be one of the stars soon if he is only give a chance to earn big minutes. Curry can easily be stopped if you'll double him, even one on one and that's the reason why he has the splash brothers to help him, if you notice, if Curry struggles, he had Klay to score for him.

Yeah, that's true.

It's all in their blood.
Seth might not be that explosive as Steph but he did have some time in Dallas where he is on the spotlight.
He is just 29 and he may be in his prime now.
As long as he plays more, he will get all the experience that he could get and maybe someday as a champion too.
He is in good hands now with Dallas. If I am Mark Cuban I would keep this guy just like Doncic.

I agree with you on that, I think he needs to be a starter now, unfortunately, it was Doncic who is handling that ball so what's going to be his position.
Unlike Steph, he is the ball handler so he can generate his own shot, maybe if Dallas will think of changing Doncic role and give it to Curry, that's the time Curry could be more valuable, but not sure if they like to work that way.

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Quote from: Captain Corporate on May 02, 2020, 10:29:23 AM

You guys are talking about "good defenders", I wasn't talking about good defenders, I was talking about hardcore defense that aims at hurting other people. It is shocking that you talked about defenders and even gave Iggy as an example yet never mentioned Kawhi, dude is a prime example of someone who can lock players on perimeter as well, he is literally the best defender in the league right now at his position if you ask me. However that still doesn't change a thing.

Well then, I am sorry for forgetting that. Yes, Kawhi is one of the top defenders and then there is also PG13.
Can you forgive me for being forgetful? Besides, I cannot list them all in one swoop. Grin

Quote from: Captain Corporate on May 02, 2020, 10:29:23 AM

Bad Boys were known as the team who hurt other players, intentionally, trying to injure them. How did they do it? Well on their era players went inside a lot, from centers to guards everyone went to the rim, so when the scorer jumped, they jumped on him and thats how they were defending so "hard" (basically being a shitty person).

Let's forget about Zaza, that is an obvious wrong thing to do in this era. It is more highlighted because of the new rules of NBA.
Before, you cannot highlight everything. Why? Because you can touch anyone even if they are still on the three point line.
How is trying to block someone a shitty move?
We are just going in circles here. As I told you, basketball is a physical game. You have to be ready to be shut down under that rim.
If you want to be always free to shoot then play alone.
It just looks so bad because they are branded as "Bad Boys" but that is not the focus of it. It's defense.
Media just exaggerated everything.
Imagine this, if they could just injure anyone on that floor then Bulls won't even make a championship.

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The reason why Vegas mayor is trying to open the city back is mainly NBA I am afraid.
Adam Silver talked about Vegas as the best spot because they are quite there with the hotel and entertainment part of the world.

Summer leagues usually happen there as well isn't it? So, all they would need to do is find those gym's, get to those hotels, and basically stock up on every single thing they might need from as simple as food/basketball/shoes type of deal to even emergency stuff like medicine and such. If you get everything there, and you cut all ties with the world, I am pretty sure you can finish the league in under a month, 2 months tops.

I know it would be quite the fast pace, but there is only 20 games left, if you want you can even cut down on that number, and you can make playoffs quicker as well with 3 game series for first round, 5 game series on second round and 7 game series on conference finals and regular finals.

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You guys are talking about "good defenders", I wasn't talking about good defenders, I was talking about hardcore defense that aims at hurting other people. It is shocking that you talked about defenders and even gave Iggy as an example yet never mentioned Kawhi, dude is a prime example of someone who can lock players on perimeter as well, he is literally the best defender in the league right now at his position if you ask me. However that still doesn't change a thing.

Bad Boys were known as the team who hurt other players, intentionally, trying to injure them. How did they do it? Well on their era players went inside a lot, from centers to guards everyone went to the rim, so when the scorer jumped, they jumped on him and thats how they were defending so "hard" (basically being a shitty person). None of the players you listed does that. There is no method you can hurt someone when they are shooting a three except putting your foot under that shooter. I agree with Zaza situation, that was literally the first thing I can remember but even with that a player can do that only so many times before getting blacklisted from the league, look at what happened to Zaza, dude basically is hated by every single team on NBA nowadays because of it.

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Quote from: stadus on May 02, 2020, 04:17:24 AM

Quote from: Reid on May 02, 2020, 03:03:35 AM

I still remember how he defended his brother earning 3 steals from him at the Western Conference Finals.

He knows his brother very well, so I'm not surprise about it, Seth Curry now has improve, especially with the Dallas Mavericks, I can see his brother to be one of the stars soon if he is only give a chance to earn big minutes. Curry can easily be stopped if you'll double him, even one on one and that's the reason why he has the splash brothers to help him, if you notice, if Curry struggles, he had Klay to score for him.

Yeah, that's true.

It's all in their blood.
Seth might not be that explosive as Steph but he did have some time in Dallas where he is on the spotlight.
He is just 29 and he may be in his prime now.
As long as he plays more, he will get all the experience that he could get and maybe someday as a champion too.
He is in good hands now with Dallas. If I am Mark Cuban I would keep this guy just like Doncic.

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Quote from: Reid on May 02, 2020, 03:03:35 AM

I still remember how he defended his brother earning 3 steals from him at the Western Conference Finals.

He knows his brother very well, so I'm not surprise about it, Seth Curry now has improve, especially with the Dallas Mavericks, I can see his brother to be one of the stars soon if he is only give a chance to earn big minutes. Curry can easily be stopped if you'll double him, even one on one and that's the reason why he has the splash brothers to help him, if you notice, if Curry struggles, he had Klay to score for him.

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Quote from: Rosilito on May 01, 2020, 10:51:40 PM

One more thing who can defend well some 3 point shooters is Fred VanVleet. I just see some statistics stuff in net on who successfully defend Curry, and I found out that out 74 games Fred defends Curry he hold it to having just 10.8 points, how tough. I based on Curry since he's known to get buckets more in downtown and in perimeter line. And he also average 27.3 points per game back in 2019 (since the info I found was made back in 2019).

Anyway here's the source: https://www.bardown.com/the-most-successful-steph-curry-defender-this-year-is-surprisingly-fred-vanvleet-1.1315297

Whoa! I never thought about that.
But yeah, Fred is a hard worker.
Maybe it is because Lowry is being given more minutes which is why Fred is not being seen more.

Forgot to add Seth Curry.
That kid is really something else when it comes to defending stars at the guard position.
I still remember how he defended his brother earning 3 steals from him at the Western Conference Finals.

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Quote from: ChiBitCTy on May 01, 2020, 04:56:09 PM

I really hope Lebron James is right when saying today he hasn't heard from any of his people on cancelling the season stating "Saw some reports about execs and agents wanting to cancel the season??? That's absolutely not true. Nobody I know saying anything like that. As soon as it's safe we would like to finish our season. I'm ready and our team is ready. Nobody should be cancelling anything".

I hope they do something like come back for two weeks and get ready for the playoffs. There's nothing really left to play for losing teams, and dear god we sure as hell need some sports action back in our lives. At least I know that I sure do. Bring the NBA back, just safely!

The only safest way if the NBA wants to come back this early, is to avoid spectators. Just the players, coaching staff, camera men, and other essential members of the organization, and make sure these people are socially isolated. To be honest, social gathering and contact sports aren't really safe unless there are already available vaccines for the virus. I know how pathetic life would be without the sports entertainment, but It's also gonna be a waste of life If they mishandled this certain situation just to cope up with the huge profit loss from the business.

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Quote from: Captain Corporate on May 01, 2020, 04:58:08 PM

Put your feet under him maybe but thats about it.

Best example for this is none other than Zaza Pachulia. If you haven't seen the intentional dirty work he did with Kawhi well, he just put his put his feet under Kawhi (shooting three) before landing in, that obstruction lead to ankle injury, it was playoffs Game 1, if I remember it right.

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Quote from: Captain Corporate on May 01, 2020, 04:58:08 PM

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6. Patrick Beverley - LAC
This guy could make your on-night be an off-night by attacking you mentally.
One example is forcing Durant to be kicked out in expense for him being kicked out too. That is a win for him.

Pat is really a thing when it comes to defense with this current league. He's already scary with his height, and imagine what he can do if he is given a height of Rudy Gobert. That little man going inside your head were always a big problem that it can destroy you the entire game. This was the problem of Westbrook all the time he got to face Pat. More than that mental defense stuff, he is dedicated to defense more than to score. He never got tired of chasing big, small guys who pose a threat to his team.

One more thing who can defend well some 3 point shooters is Fred VanVleet. I just see some statistics stuff in net on who successfully defend Curry, and I found out that out 74 games Fred defends Curry he hold it to having just 10.8 points, how tough. I based on Curry since he's known to get buckets more in downtown and in perimeter line. And he also average 27.3 points per game back in 2019 (since the info I found was made back in 2019).

Anyway here's the source: https://www.bardown.com/the-most-successful-steph-curry-defender-this-year-is-surprisingly-fred-vanvleet-1.1315297

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Quote from: Captain Corporate on May 01, 2020, 04:58:08 PM

While we are talking about the tough defense parts of the deal, could we really focus on the three pointer making a bit of the change itself as well. I agree, just go on youtube and check fouls harden got and there are some super silly ones, I agree that offense is a lot more highlighted and a lot less defense is allowed day in and day out. However think about it, people are shooting a lot more threes nowadays, some players avarage more threes per game than entire teams back in the day. Which tells me, even if we had bad boys level of hardcore lets break his foot level of defense today, how would that work? I mean they mostly did that hardcore defense when players jumped to the rim, what do you do when someone decides to shoot a three? Put your feet under him maybe but thats about it.

There's a lot of way to do that than just leaving a foot on the landing area.
Some of the known players who can defend perimeter/3 point shooters.
1. Shane Battier - Houston Rockets
He is known for successfully guarding Kobe for so many times.
But we all know that is Kobe so he can still shoot the ball even with a hand on his face.
https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/nba-insider-tom-haberstroh/habershow-shane-battier-discusses-trying-guard-kobe-bryant

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Battier’s signature move was using his hand to try to block Bryant’s vision rather than contest the shot.

2. Trevor Ariza - Lakers 2008-2009 (NBA Champions)
He is the wing man of Kobe. Kobe as the offense and Ariza as the defense.
With his long arms he could average 3 steals per game which is a lot. A good outside defender for small guards.
His best was 5 steals in a game. Wow!

3. Bruce Bowen - San Antonio Spurs
I think there is no need for an explanation here.

4. Manu Ginobli - San Antonio Spurs
Another good defender for outside shooters.
One of his popular highlights is for winning a game blocking the shot of James Harden.

5. Andre Iguodala - GSW
Being a veteran had a lot of perks. Grin

6. Patrick Beverley - LAC
This guy could make your on-night be an off-night by attacking you mentally.
One example is forcing Durant to be kicked out in expense for him being kicked out too. That is a win for him.

Even with the hand check rule, there is a way to make good defense. Just need some hard work.

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While we are talking about the tough defense parts of the deal, could we really focus on the three pointer making a bit of the change itself as well. I agree, just go on youtube and check fouls harden got and there are some super silly ones, I agree that offense is a lot more highlighted and a lot less defense is allowed day in and day out. However think about it, people are shooting a lot more threes nowadays, some players avarage more threes per game than entire teams back in the day. Which tells me, even if we had bad boys level of hardcore lets break his foot level of defense today, how would that work? I mean they mostly did that hardcore defense when players jumped to the rim, what do you do when someone decides to shoot a three? Put your feet under him maybe but thats about it.

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I really hope Lebron James is right when saying today he hasn't heard from any of his people on cancelling the season stating "Saw some reports about execs and agents wanting to cancel the season??? That's absolutely not true. Nobody I know saying anything like that. As soon as it's safe we would like to finish our season. I'm ready and our team is ready. Nobody should be cancelling anything".

I hope they do something like come back for two weeks and get ready for the playoffs. There's nothing really left to play for losing teams, and dear god we sure as hell need some sports action back in our lives. At least I know that I sure do. Bring the NBA back, just safely!

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