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June 18, 2020, 04:39:01 PM

 I know 2K sounds would be not that cool, however the other option would be basically playing in total silence. I do not really think that would be a better option. There will also be bench players on both sides as well, which will have a big role to play, everyone on the bench has to make as much noise as they can as frequently and constantly as they can. That would make a difference, if your bench is silent and not saying a word while the other teams bench is yelling and screaming, you will be in a road game, if its vice versa its a home game, so both teams need to make as much noise as they can to not give advantage to other team. 2K sounds will just be addition to that just to make sure its not total silence at all times.
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June 18, 2020, 11:37:39 AM
I think there was talks about a deal between NBA and NBA2K so that they would put 2K crowd noises in the arena as well. I am sure it wouldn't be remotely the same because hearing it right near you versus hearing it from the big speakers will be hugely different but it is not going to be something totally irrelevant. 2K got those sounds from the real games themselves, it is real sounds from real fans in real games so it is not totally different from the real thing.
For real? It would be awkward for the players.
I think they would rather play like a streetball kind of game. Fans are your teammates.

The biggest difference is the sounds will be similar, so when you dunk 10 times in a game you will hear the same cheer at least 2-3 times and when you shoot threes 20 times as a team you will hear the same cheer at least 5-6 times. That could really get into your head and make you play more emotionless which could help some players but hurt some others.

Yeah, it's too fake. Let's see how they will react in this when the game starts.
Are we going to see laughs on the bench?  Grin Grin
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June 18, 2020, 11:18:26 AM
I think there was talks about a deal between NBA and NBA2K so that they would put 2K crowd noises in the arena as well. I am sure it wouldn't be remotely the same because hearing it right near you versus hearing it from the big speakers will be hugely different but it is not going to be something totally irrelevant. 2K got those sounds from the real games themselves, it is real sounds from real fans in real games so it is not totally different from the real thing.

The biggest difference is the sounds will be similar, so when you dunk 10 times in a game you will hear the same cheer at least 2-3 times and when you shoot threes 20 times as a team you will hear the same cheer at least 5-6 times. That could really get into your head and make you play more emotionless which could help some players but hurt some others.
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June 18, 2020, 08:19:14 AM
As you can see, they use stuffed toys in replacement for audience for the time being. Kind of weird though  Grin but it is better than leaving those thousand of seats empty  Tongue. I can't imagine Adam Silver would approve this idea  Cheesy.

Haha, a good solution indeed.  Grin
It doesn't feel right if you are either watching or playing live without people around.
At least now all the seats are really taken.
How much did they pay? Those sideline seats might be expensive.  Cheesy

Anyway, I'm looking forward for a more positive update regarding the resumption of the NBA.

There's no definite date yet, right?
It's July 31 but they changed it to July 30.  Cheesy
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June 18, 2020, 06:54:54 AM
He's denying the allegations. I don't mind if it's true or not.

But this is now the hard part starts for the league. The division for the decision of their players will start to crumble but at the end of the day, they have to understand that it's the league that has to be followed, not them following themselves.
It matters if you are playing in the same team while you have a different belief.
Racism and then pandemic issue.
It just keeps on getting worse.
These players should start with something.
Showcase unity using their career in hoops and bring people together once again in a peaceful manner.

We as fans, we need that in this very bad days of our lives.
We need hope and somehow they might provide it if we see them playing.
With precautions because we all want them safe too.
I like that. They should instead bring unity and not division.

In this pandemic times, the division will only bring no good because of everyone's belief to be good and not.
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June 18, 2020, 06:40:48 AM

I sure hope they gave up on that idea, for their own safety.

Exactly. More people involved, more risks from contracting the virus.
That's not gonna work I guess. If they seriously need to resume, they need to minimize the people who's coming in from the facility that their playing into, in Orlando  to be specific.
I understand how boring the game could be without the crowd, the families, and even friends, just the players from each team, coaches, and staff. But this is business, they need to sacrifice.

Agree with that, even if it's their family, we never know if they are carrying the virus as only the NBA players are betting monitored, they just give a little sacrifice as this is just temporary, they need to do this for the sake of safety resuming the season and they can finish it without problems relating to corona virus. I understand that it's a hard sacrifice not seeing their family, but for once, they have to do this as they are earning well and it's their job to make this business alive again by give the entertainment to the fans.

That's the right term, they need to sacrifice because they are a warrior that needs o provide entertain to us in this tough situation we are facing now.
If soldiers that earns only a little salary, I think they can also do that as they are earning millions.

Anyway, I'm looking forward for a more positive update regarding the resumption of the NBA.

There's no definite date yet, right?
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June 18, 2020, 06:40:37 AM
I think I will pass that, reading article was enough. But I would appreciate some tl;dr version, if anyone can bother Cheesy

I think, I'll pass too as I don't even read terms & conditions sometimes LOL  Cheesy.


I don't know about players though. If their families will be joining them and cannot even watch them live then there is no point.
Let them stay at home.
I know they want even just a little amount of fans on the sideline for more authorities with their dunks and threes.  Cheesy
But, it's better to be safe at this time first.
Exactly. More people involved, more risks from contracting the virus.
That's not gonna work I guess. If they seriously need to resume, they need to minimize the people who's coming in from the facility that their playing into, in Orlando  to be specific.
I understand how boring the game could be without the crowd, the families, and even friends, just the players from each team, coaches, and staff. But this is business, they need to sacrifice.

Audience problems?  Grin I think I found a hilarious solution LOL.

From Korean baseball league:

(Photo not mine)
Source: https://rojakdaily.com/lifestyle/article/9691/best-audience-ever-south-korean-baseball-game-uses-stuffed-animals-to-fill-up-seats

As you can see, they use stuffed toys in replacement for audience for the time being. Kind of weird though  Grin but it is better than leaving those thousand of seats empty  Tongue. I can't imagine Adam Silver would approve this idea  Cheesy.
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June 18, 2020, 06:25:06 AM

I sure hope they gave up on that idea, for their own safety.

Exactly. More people involved, more risks from contracting the virus.
That's not gonna work I guess. If they seriously need to resume, they need to minimize the people who's coming in from the facility that their playing into, in Orlando  to be specific.
I understand how boring the game could be without the crowd, the families, and even friends, just the players from each team, coaches, and staff. But this is business, they need to sacrifice.

Agree with that, even if it's their family, we never know if they are carrying the virus as only the NBA players are betting monitored, they just give a little sacrifice as this is just temporary, they need to do this for the sake of safety resuming the season and they can finish it without problems relating to corona virus. I understand that it's a hard sacrifice not seeing their family, but for once, they have to do this as they are earning well and it's their job to make this business alive again by give the entertainment to the fans.
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June 18, 2020, 05:17:38 AM

I sure hope they gave up on that idea, for their own safety.

Exactly. More people involved, more risks from contracting the virus.
That's not gonna work I guess. If they seriously need to resume, they need to minimize the people who's coming in from the facility that their playing into, in Orlando  to be specific.
I understand how boring the game could be without the crowd, the families, and even friends, just the players from each team, coaches, and staff. But this is business, they need to sacrifice.
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June 18, 2020, 04:53:54 AM
I think I will pass that, reading article was enough. But I would appreciate some tl;dr version, if anyone can bother Cheesy

What I didn't see in that article is whether families will join the players in the quarantine, or not? I know that rumor was that families will be with the players, i just don't know what was the final decision regarding that. I sure hope they gave up on that idea, for their own safety.

Same thought.
Better if they just do it like playing NBA2k20 with audience settings turned "off".  Grin

I don't know about players though. If their families will be joining them and cannot even watch them live then there is no point.
Let them stay at home.
I know they want even just a little amount of fans on the sideline for more authorities with their dunks and threes.  Cheesy
But, it's better to be safe at this time first.
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June 18, 2020, 04:08:06 AM
I think I will pass that, reading article was enough. But I would appreciate some tl;dr version, if anyone can bother Cheesy

What I didn't see in that article is whether families will join the players in the quarantine, or not? I know that rumor was that families will be with the players, i just don't know what was the final decision regarding that. I sure hope they gave up on that idea, for their own safety.
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June 18, 2020, 03:56:05 AM

 They are definitely hit financially but not enough to be incapable of paying 3 million dollars for hotel expenses. NBA itself could pay those if they want to with all the sales they get and all the licenses and tv rights and so forth. However do not forget that team owners are not just doing this as a job, they also usually have other jobs they make money as well and 3 million dollars for a person who owns a team that worths over a billion dollars is usually nothing, not even increase of the teams value which would be tenfold each season at least. So at the end of the day they will definitely pay it up easily without a problem, hell having 8 games would cover that 3 million dollars alone with tv rights alone even if no fans and no merchandise sales.

Agreed. Similar to what Dana White of the UFC has told everyone in a press conference, continuing to produce live sports is more expensive than closing down during this pandemic.

If this is true, then why did they resume the UFC?
 
Maybe it's true that it's expensive but they would not resume if they are not profitable, they have a big expense, so they need to exceed that with their income so they will operate profitably.

Compared to not resuming at all, no expenses or less expenses but people working on UFC does not have income, so they will struggle.
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June 17, 2020, 11:48:21 PM

 They are definitely hit financially but not enough to be incapable of paying 3 million dollars for hotel expenses. NBA itself could pay those if they want to with all the sales they get and all the licenses and tv rights and so forth. However do not forget that team owners are not just doing this as a job, they also usually have other jobs they make money as well and 3 million dollars for a person who owns a team that worths over a billion dollars is usually nothing, not even increase of the teams value which would be tenfold each season at least. So at the end of the day they will definitely pay it up easily without a problem, hell having 8 games would cover that 3 million dollars alone with tv rights alone even if no fans and no merchandise sales.

Agreed. Similar to what Dana White of the UFC has told everyone in a press conference, continuing to produce live sports is more expensive than closing down during this pandemic.
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June 17, 2020, 11:01:48 PM

 They are definitely hit financially but not enough to be incapable of paying 3 million dollars for hotel expenses. NBA itself could pay those if they want to with all the sales they get and all the licenses and tv rights and so forth. However do not forget that team owners are not just doing this as a job, they also usually have other jobs they make money as well and 3 million dollars for a person who owns a team that worths over a billion dollars is usually nothing, not even increase of the teams value which would be tenfold each season at least. So at the end of the day they will definitely pay it up easily without a problem, hell having 8 games would cover that 3 million dollars alone with tv rights alone even if no fans and no merchandise sales.

I do believe in that.
I am just saying they are not innocent with the invisible enemy.
They are also hit by it but they can recover which is why they want to start the season again to gain all the loss that was done by the pandemic.

Anyway.
Anyone up to a long reading for 113 health and safety documents?  Grin  Grin  Grin
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-restart-what-we-learned-from-the-leagues-113-page-health-and-safety-document/

I just picked one which caught my eye.
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Biometric ring
Another high-tech tool the league is making available to players is a biometric ring, which can record vital signs such as heart rate, respiratory rate and body temperature. In theory, that data could help alert teams if a player is at risk to contract COVID-19, or could already have it.
More expense.
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June 17, 2020, 05:27:45 PM
You might have the wrong impression of being the main man, it's not always the leader. In Raptor's case, that's not the case. The one who is making plays for them is Kyle Lowry and he is the leader, not Kawhi. Since Kawhi is the main scorer, therefore Lowry will put the center of offense to him. Kawhi is not a leader but he is just doing his job to the role assigned to him. Raptors trusted him.
I know that Lowry is the captain ball of the team, but they usually give the ball to Leonard in crucial times and it seems like it's Leonard is already manning the ball most of the time. Just like Kobe Bryant role, he is not the PG of the team but once he has the ball, he can decide to shoot it or to pass it. We may have different point of view, I respect your opinion but that is my opinion too.

What you see is correct but what others see is, just because a player is the main scorer, that becomes a leader which is not, also depends on the team. Leonard is just doing his job because of the role he was assigned to.

For example, I'm a leader of the team, I saw someone in the team is capable of taking the most offense and clutch shot, therefore I will assign him to do it. That's the case on the Raptors. Leonard is not the leader of the Raptors but just following the system. That was the best part of him as he proved he can do it. He leads the team in all aspects. Siakam and VanFleet also did a great job in playing the role they were assigned to that's why Raptors achieved their first championship.

In the case of Kobe Bryant you used as an example, he is the leader on the Lakers while at the same time the main scorer. Totally different from the Raptors.

Don't worry all opinions here are respected as long as no one will use a word that crosses the borderline or foul words. Smiley Wink


I think any leader of the team will an easy if he has Leonard playing with him, last season when Raptors won their championship, Lowry's averaged on points has dropped but in the assist department, it has improved a bit, that only says that they have a good system.

his stats https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/lowryky01.html

The thing is, whoever is the team leader of a certain team, if he is not scoring well, he will not be popular and people will believe that the leader are the one who are making most of the shots, that is why players who have good offense are more recognize than those players who are good in rebounds and blocks as basketball is a game of offense.
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June 17, 2020, 05:14:37 PM
You might have the wrong impression of being the main man, it's not always the leader. In Raptor's case, that's not the case. The one who is making plays for them is Kyle Lowry and he is the leader, not Kawhi. Since Kawhi is the main scorer, therefore Lowry will put the center of offense to him. Kawhi is not a leader but he is just doing his job to the role assigned to him. Raptors trusted him.
I know that Lowry is the captain ball of the team, but they usually give the ball to Leonard in crucial times and it seems like it's Leonard is already manning the ball most of the time. Just like Kobe Bryant role, he is not the PG of the team but once he has the ball, he can decide to shoot it or to pass it. We may have different point of view, I respect your opinion but that is my opinion too.

What you see is correct but what others see is, just because a player is the main scorer, that becomes a leader which is not, also depends on the team. Leonard is just doing his job because of the role he was assigned to.

For example, I'm a leader of the team, I saw someone in the team is capable of taking the most offense and clutch shot, therefore I will assign him to do it. That's the case on the Raptors. Leonard is not the leader of the Raptors but just following the system. That was the best part of him as he proved he can do it. He leads the team in all aspects. Siakam and VanFleet also did a great job in playing the role they were assigned to that's why Raptors achieved their first championship.

In the case of Kobe Bryant you used as an example, he is the leader on the Lakers while at the same time the main scorer. Totally different from the Raptors.

Don't worry all opinions here are respected as long as no one will use a word that crosses the borderline or foul words. Smiley Wink
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June 17, 2020, 05:14:31 PM
However the moment he doesn't listen and does whatever he wants would be end of a whole team and nobody would listen in that case. I think he is good enough to make any team a championship level team but I think he doesn't have what it takes to be worthy of GOAT discussions at all, specially not with just 2 rings and 3 finals.

It's just 2 championship from different team but who knows he will take Clippers to championship this season and win, maybe we can call him a GOAT that time especially if Clippers will beat the Lakers this season convincingly. I'm really expecting them to beat good teams in the West and they will take and easy journey in getting the NBA Championship against any team in the East, probably if Sixers will win and they will take the Sixers, I think it's a going to be a good series but I think they will win.  Grin
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June 17, 2020, 03:58:14 PM

 They are definitely hit financially but not enough to be incapable of paying 3 million dollars for hotel expenses. NBA itself could pay those if they want to with all the sales they get and all the licenses and tv rights and so forth. However do not forget that team owners are not just doing this as a job, they also usually have other jobs they make money as well and 3 million dollars for a person who owns a team that worths over a billion dollars is usually nothing, not even increase of the teams value which would be tenfold each season at least. So at the end of the day they will definitely pay it up easily without a problem, hell having 8 games would cover that 3 million dollars alone with tv rights alone even if no fans and no merchandise sales.
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June 17, 2020, 11:13:10 AM
The thing about Kawhi is that he never looks like the leader of any team he is in but he is definitely the best player in any team he has ever played. Is that a problem or a blessing? I don't know. But when your best player is not the leader of the team that creates both a lot of greatness but also a lot of trouble with it.

Kawhi could deny his Spurs past but being with Tim Duncan who is known to be quite guy and listens and whenever Coach gets angry at him he bows his head down and works hard rest of the team has to follow that as well, Kawhi is similar, when he is the best player but he doesn't say much and works hard that inspires other players in the team as well.

However the moment he doesn't listen and does whatever he wants would be end of a whole team and nobody would listen in that case. I think he is good enough to make any team a championship level team but I think he doesn't have what it takes to be worthy of GOAT discussions at all, specially not with just 2 rings and 3 finals.
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June 17, 2020, 10:26:33 AM
He's denying the allegations. I don't mind if it's true or not.

But this is now the hard part starts for the league. The division for the decision of their players will start to crumble but at the end of the day, they have to understand that it's the league that has to be followed, not them following themselves.
It matters if you are playing in the same team while you have a different belief.
Racism and then pandemic issue.
It just keeps on getting worse.
These players should start with something.
Showcase unity using their career in hoops and bring people together once again in a peaceful manner.

We as fans, we need that in this very bad days of our lives.
We need hope and somehow they might provide it if we see them playing.
With precautions because we all want them safe too.


$263 per head per night?
Or will they occupy a room as much as possible? Will they put bunker beds?  Grin Grin

I think that such amounts are not very worrying for NBA teams. Let's count: 100 people, 100 days x $ 263 = $2.63M. It's not even a monthly salary for the best players. Let us remember that during the normal season teams also use hotel services. And there are also travels. A flight from one end of the US to the other costs definitely much more than a hotel. So its not a big deal.
Yes they may not worry about it if this is a normal season.
But no, they are also hit financially.
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