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February 15, 2024, 04:58:14 PM
Charlotte Hornets won three in a row in their home games and this is since the trade deadline. Grant Williams and Seth Curry the new additions of the team are playing really well. Hopefully they can continue this momentum until the All-Star break. It is a one week vacation for them before they play the next game.
I think they can secure their fourth straight win since they're only playing the Utah Jazz next game. Utah Jazz have been struggling in their recent games. I don't know why but they're just inconsistent with their performance.

I really don't know what's happening to Utah Jazz right now though, they have a good start early, but now it seems that they are struggling.

@OgNasty - yeah, pretty much the Warriors dynasty is over, there are a lot of rumors swirling around about trades in Golden State. Perhaps Thompson and Green were lucky that the management didn't pull the trigger. I thought that both of this player were going to be traded for obvious reasons.

Maybe next year we will the Warriors taking a reset, and only Steph Curry left in the group.
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February 15, 2024, 03:09:25 PM
Watching the clips from yesterday showing Draymond Green act like a crazy person is actually sad. That guy is breaking down mentally now that the Warriors’ dynasty is over. I’m not even sure if LeBron could save them by jumping ship in the offseason. I also wouldn’t be surprised if Draymond has signed his last NBA contract.
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February 15, 2024, 01:10:48 PM
Charlotte Hornets won three in a row in their home games and this is since the trade deadline. Grant Williams and Seth Curry the new additions of the team are playing really well. Hopefully they can continue this momentum until the All-Star break. It is a one week vacation for them before they play the next game.
I think they can secure their fourth straight win since they're only playing the Utah Jazz next game. Utah Jazz have been struggling in their recent games. I don't know why but they're just inconsistent with their performance.
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February 15, 2024, 11:58:55 AM

Yeah, Bronny's stats don't look impressive at all, and I would even say it looks weak. If he performs this way in the NCAA, he can forget about his career in the NBA because his stats would be even worse in the league. However, I don't rule out that LeBron can bring him to the NBA anyway, but it looks like there's not much sense in it because of Bronny's lack of prospects in the NBA.

He has been like that since the beginning because the kid was raised with all he needs in life and he doesn't have enough motivation to further improve his talent in basketball also he has some kind of disease that hinders him from trying even harder because it will gonna ruin his body and he might be in real danger once again. Honestly, they can just sign him for a year just to give LBJ the dream he wants and that is playing with his son in the same team and that would be the greatest achievement that no one can break for decades.
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February 15, 2024, 11:52:34 AM
As I see it, Lebron James is committed, and he would not join the Warriors except if the Lakers officials are the ones driving the trade. However, how could the Lakers need to trade Lebron when he is viewed by a larger number of individuals as the GOAT of basketball?

As I see it, Lebron James is committed and he would not join the Warriors except if the Lakers officials are the ones driving the trade. However, how could the Lakers need to trade Lebron when he is viewed by a larger number of individuals as the GOAT of basketball?

The details of Bronny say everything, he does not merit a draft selection in the NBA. In any case, he will be picked by the teams that also want to take Lebron. Bronny will be the Thannassis Antettounmpo of Lebron James. Anyhow, I think it is more important for the Lakers now to find the next great leader to avoid confusion.
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February 15, 2024, 11:09:40 AM
What can you say about the news that Golden State tried to trade for LeBron before the trade deadline? Also, it says that Draymond Green texted Rich Paul (LeBron's agent) if there is some way he can encourage or recruit Bron to go to GSW. This trade would pair LeBron and Steph Curry with the Warriors. If this happened, I don't really know if they would still be deadly as a duo. I know that both of them are still playing great this season. LeBron James is still averaging his usual numbers, and he is on the way to his 20th All-Star appearance. Same goes with Steph; he is still knocking down threes and carrying Golden State at his back. But if this happened way back in their prime years, this duo would be deadly. We all know LeBron loves having teammates that can knock down threes, and Steph is smooth playing with anybody; just look at KD when he was still in the Warriors; all of them are having their time on the court. 

If that trade happens, the world will be in shock.

They probably offered something ridiculous for him just to give the Lakers a chance to dump salary and avoid LeBron causing an offseason media fest with his decision about free agency.

The 76ers also reached out to trade for Durant, Booker, or Beal. You can give them credit for trying, but none of those deals were ever going to happen.
These offers made the think that there must be crazy things going on behind close doors. These rumours are just the ones somehow got leaked. To me, Lebron in GSW seems impossible and would never fit for anyone, not for Lebron or Warriors. 76ers reaching out to Durant or Booker also seems crazy. How would that even work? I may be oldschool but I liked the days these kinds of stars were just franchise players. Teams with multiple superstars kinda killing it for me. It started with Lebron going to Miami actually. I hope these things woul never happen again.

I think lakers would not want that to happen since imagine how huge the market of Lebron and if they let this trade to happen then I guess there's a lot will be lose on their side. This discussion maybe didn't proceed since they cut this idea about possible landing of Lebron to GSW and this one just came out late since maybe some media just want to clickbait people to hype their article. I would say its impossible for Lebron to land in GSW knowing how big the asset would La ask in return and for sure they would ask lots of player which I think not really worth it especially Lebron is at the peak of his career and anytime he would provably announce his retirement.

I think LeBron is on a player option for next year, so teams could get him for nothing after this season. He’s also planning to play with Curry in the next Olympics… I never thought LeBron to Golden State was a possibility but after reading all the news today I think it could realistically happen. They’d just need to draft Bronny.

I think LeBron will still be committed to the Lakers. Even though these past few days he has been teasing the Lakers by posting that time emoji "⌛" and flirting with the Knicks by wearing Knicks colorway shoes and wearing and using a Knick towel in one of his interviews when they faced the New York Knicks at the Garden. 

Also, there is news that the Lakers are trying to find a way to draft Bronny in this upcoming draft to see if this will make James happy. The Lakers still prioritize Lebron James' happiness; if I were the Lakers, I would do the same. It is once in a lifetime to have one of the best players in basketball play for your organization, so you will do everything to make him happy. 

If the Lakers ever reach the Western Conference Finals again, or maybe the Finals and win the championship, there is a chance that James will still be a Laker next season. 

Also, next off-season, the Lakers are eyeing these free agents to come and play with LeBron and AD. Those players are Donovan Mitchell, Dejounte Murray, Kyrie Irving, and even Trae Young. If the Lakers ever get one of these players, then most likely James will stay.
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February 15, 2024, 08:39:59 AM
I think it's all over the media, the Bronny is not as good as his father. But I think he can still go to the NBA with Lebron's "influence".
That influence though. I guess if that's the only reason he'll get to the NBA, better not be in the NBA as the criticism will only continue while he is playing. If he doesn't have a good statistics, then he will not be in the starting line up. I'm afraid he'll have the same fate with Thanasis who's been continuously criticize for getting a million dollar contract but not really contributing to the team, it's also because of the influence of Giannis.

And talking about the Lakers, winning 3 in a row, this time without Lebron. It was Rui, who put a show and Russell's 17 assists with his double double as a Lakers. They have indeed recovered already from all the trade talks and them winning the IST and then after that, have a losing streak.
It looks like Dinwiddie has became their lucky charm, they are looking good right now, their win streak would help them improve their ranking.

Mavs and Celtics are now tied for the longest winning streak right now at 6.
Mavs is having a good run, as to the Celtics, it's not surprising anymore but the big changes was really on the Mavs, the new players who are already on the starting line up are making big contributions to this success.
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February 15, 2024, 07:46:02 AM
I wouldn't like this.
It would just look like to final desperate attempt to build another "superteam", not a fan.
Yesterday I watched a video about Bronny and there it was said that he isn't even on any mock draft board at the moment. Before he wont to USC many predicted him to go like 15th-30th in the draft but now he wouldn't even get picked in the 2nd round.
His stats at USC are not really impressive while still seeing 21 minutes per game.



Of course the "I want to play with my son" situation is a thing so teams would maybe pick him to get Lebron, or get leverage in a trade scenario sending Bronny to him for a good return.

Maybe he won't get picked but signed after all by Lebron's team, where ever he is playing at then.

Yeah, Bronny's stats don't look impressive at all, and I would even say it looks weak. If he performs this way in the NCAA, he can forget about his career in the NBA because his stats would be even worse in the league. However, I don't rule out that LeBron can bring him to the NBA anyway, but it looks like there's not much sense in it because of Bronny's lack of prospects in the NBA.

I think it's all over the media, the Bronny is not as good as his father. But I think he can still go to the NBA with Lebron's "influence".

And talking about the Lakers, winning 3 in a row, this time without Lebron. It was Rui, who put a show and Russell's 17 assists with his double double as a Lakers. They have indeed recovered already from all the trade talks and them winning the IST and then after that, have a losing streak.

Mavs and Celtics are now tied for the longest winning streak right now at 6.
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February 15, 2024, 05:59:56 AM
I wouldn't like this.
It would just look like to final desperate attempt to build another "superteam", not a fan.
Yesterday I watched a video about Bronny and there it was said that he isn't even on any mock draft board at the moment. Before he wont to USC many predicted him to go like 15th-30th in the draft but now he wouldn't even get picked in the 2nd round.
His stats at USC are not really impressive while still seeing 21 minutes per game.



Of course the "I want to play with my son" situation is a thing so teams would maybe pick him to get Lebron, or get leverage in a trade scenario sending Bronny to him for a good return.

Maybe he won't get picked but signed after all by Lebron's team, where ever he is playing at then.

Yeah, Bronny's stats don't look impressive at all, and I would even say it looks weak. If he performs this way in the NCAA, he can forget about his career in the NBA because his stats would be even worse in the league. However, I don't rule out that LeBron can bring him to the NBA anyway, but it looks like there's not much sense in it because of Bronny's lack of prospects in the NBA.
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February 15, 2024, 05:53:07 AM
I can't believe that the NBA All-Star Weekend is already upon us.  It just feels crazy how fast time is flying by this NBA season.  I've enjoyed the first half, other than the ugly job my own team is doing (Chicago Bulls).  Now sitting at 26-28 on the year..they are still the NBA's most popular team in terms of ticket sales.  I mean this is crazy to me, and also goes to show why they suck and will likely continue to suck and make NO MOVES before the trade deadline like they should have..when you sell more tickets than any other team, where is the motivation to do thing differently?  Just disgusts me.

Right, now we will be in the complete the first half of the season, lots of surprises and teams are bunch again and it's really hard to see who will make it to the playoffs until right after the All-Star break. I thought that the Bulls will go and trade Lavine, but perhaps they are going to wait first and see if they can get a good deal out of him.

And even without Lebron James, the Lakers won against the Jazz. Rui is on a different level right now with the Lakers, as he had a big game again to cover for Lebron missing the game with a big 36 points to help AD's 37 points. Austin Reaves as well being consistent with another 22 point game performance.
Notable on the win by the Lakers, AD and Rui who scored 30+ points, it's the first time since Shaq and Kobe did it. Rui's score came from isolation early in the quarter as he is taking advantage of small Jazz player guarding him. And then in the second half, he found his touch outside. Spencer Dinwiddie as well with his 10 points as a Laker is big too. But no one talks about D'Lo's 17 assists in this game and that is also his new career high. So everything if falling into pieces for the Lakers after some bad start after they won the in season tournament and they are definitely back. They also have some of the best and deep bench in my opinion.
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February 15, 2024, 05:40:52 AM
I can't believe that the NBA All-Star Weekend is already upon us.  It just feels crazy how fast time is flying by this NBA season.  I've enjoyed the first half, other than the ugly job my own team is doing (Chicago Bulls).  Now sitting at 26-28 on the year..they are still the NBA's most popular team in terms of ticket sales.  I mean this is crazy to me, and also goes to show why they suck and will likely continue to suck and make NO MOVES before the trade deadline like they should have..when you sell more tickets than any other team, where is the motivation to do thing differently?  Just disgusts me.

Right, now we will be in the complete the first half of the season, lots of surprises and teams are bunch again and it's really hard to see who will make it to the playoffs until right after the All-Star break. I thought that the Bulls will go and trade Lavine, but perhaps they are going to wait first and see if they can get a good deal out of him.

And even without Lebron James, the Lakers won against the Jazz. Rui is on a different level right now with the Lakers, as he had a big game again to cover for Lebron missing the game with a big 36 points to help AD's 37 points. Austin Reaves as well being consistent with another 22 point game performance.
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February 15, 2024, 04:04:38 AM
Almost the same happened with the Denver Nuggets versus the Sacramento Kings game.
The Nuggets had 17 point lead as their highest if I remember correctly and all of it was chipped away by the Kings. Nikola Jokic is frustrated because he cannot feel his soft touch shooting the ball. I bet he had a bad morning. I mean look at his stats today, 15 points, 8 assists, and 5 rebounds. That is not the normal Jokic that we see when he spends 39 minutes on the floor.
Sadly, that's their last game before the All-Star. It could've been great if they had the win before a long rest.

I wasn't able to bet on this game but I had the  Nuggets winning, turns out they wasted their big lead and are now on 3 losing streak.

The Denver Nuggets is becoming unusual this month. So far it only won against mediocre teams like Portland and the Lakers. It failed to win against rival teams either at home or on the road. They need to address this early before it becomes a problem.

Or maybe they're not giving it all, especially when the lead is a bit huge to avoid injuries. Because I am also not sure who's the team to avoid during the playoffs. Even GSW and the Lakers can be dangerous during the playoffs when healthy. Maybe the inexperienced Twolves, OKC, and Pelicans are the weakest links that for the Nuggets' management it is no longer important to stay at the number 1 ranking.
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February 15, 2024, 02:33:32 AM
Big comeback by the Clippers to stop the Warriors win streak. Again.... as what we've seen by the past games of the Clippers where they can comeback despite of the huge deficit, they did it again vs the Warriors.

This team is really a championship team, they are playing with Leonard, and PG got fouled out in the 4th quarter but they were still able to win.
These 3 players (Powell, Coffey, and Westbrook) the 2nd unit, as long as they stay healthy, they could be a huge asset to the Clippers success.

Curry made a history tonight but sad that they loss. And again, Thompson has struggled again and he wasn't so happy.

Yeah, damn it.
My bet was for the Warriors and I thought they were going to win it because they had the lead for almost the entire game. Late 4th quarter the Clippers started to chip away at the lead and then got pretty close until they got the lead. Podiemzki and Curry are both hot and that's why I didn't doubt my bet would win on that game but yes, the 2nd unit of the Clippers was something. Westbrook especially is not giving up on every play, offensive rebounds, putting the ball back in after it, and playing hustle defense.
It's a high-scoring game because of the fast pace but the Warriors still lose in the end even without Kawhi Leonard for the Clippers.
It's still surprising although it's not new to both teams.
If you still remember, the Warriors had many games in the past where they had a huge lead but end up losing in the end. And for the Clippers, they also had a lot of games where they are down early and end up getting a win in the 2nd half, specially the fourth quarter. I think now it's the system of the Clippers that made them win. Also, forget to mentioned, their coach was ejected, but they stay calm and able to win. It's really different if you have a winner in the team like Westbrook and Harden, they have been in tough situations before and they really know how to win.


Almost the same happened with the Denver Nuggets versus the Sacramento Kings game.
The Nuggets had 17 point lead as their highest if I remember correctly and all of it was chipped away by the Kings. Nikola Jokic is frustrated because he cannot feel his soft touch shooting the ball. I bet he had a bad morning. I mean look at his stats today, 15 points, 8 assists, and 5 rebounds. That is not the normal Jokic that we see when he spends 39 minutes on the floor.
Sadly, that's their last game before the All-Star. It could've been great if they had the win before a long rest.

I wasn't able to bet on this game but I had the  Nuggets winning, turns out they wasted their big lead and are now on 3 losing streak.
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February 15, 2024, 02:15:26 AM
Big comeback by the Clippers to stop the Warriors win streak. Again.... as what we've seen by the past games of the Clippers where they can comeback despite of the huge deficit, they did it again vs the Warriors.

This team is really a championship team, they are playing with Leonard, and PG got fouled out in the 4th quarter but they were still able to win.
These 3 players (Powell, Coffey, and Westbrook) the 2nd unit, as long as they stay healthy, they could be a huge asset to the Clippers success.

Curry made a history tonight but sad that they loss. And again, Thompson has struggled again and he wasn't so happy.
Yeah, they ended the winning streak of the Warriors, everyone is struggling, except Curry. And that is the thing with them, Klay is very inconsistent, last time he had a good shooting shot, and now he is back to his old self and it was only Curry who tries to carry the team on his back. But it's going to be hard if you are trailing and everyone is struggling. So I guess they are back in the drawing boards again and see what went wrong for them. And so finally Clippers is also back in the winning column, I do agree, if everyone is healthy this team is hard to beat. Their second unit with Powell and Westbrook is enough to be a starting five in other teams.
I think the Warriors already know how to win, they just need to limit Klay Thompson as his shooting is really bad. Curry is still consistent and with the help of other role players, they'll be able to start winning again. It's a winnable game by the Warriors but Powell could not miss with his 3 point shots, and that help them to come back and eventually win the game. Next game, I'm gonna back the Warriors as I know they'll come back with a win.
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February 15, 2024, 02:13:26 AM
Big comeback by the Clippers to stop the Warriors win streak. Again.... as what we've seen by the past games of the Clippers where they can comeback despite of the huge deficit, they did it again vs the Warriors.

This team is really a championship team, they are playing with Leonard, and PG got fouled out in the 4th quarter but they were still able to win.
These 3 players (Powell, Coffey, and Westbrook) the 2nd unit, as long as they stay healthy, they could be a huge asset to the Clippers success.

Curry made a history tonight but sad that they loss. And again, Thompson has struggled again and he wasn't so happy.

Yeah, damn it.
My bet was for the Warriors and I thought they were going to win it because they had the lead for almost the entire game. Late 4th quarter the Clippers started to chip away at the lead and then got pretty close until they got the lead. Podiemzki and Curry are both hot and that's why I didn't doubt my bet would win on that game but yes, the 2nd unit of the Clippers was something. Westbrook especially is not giving up on every play, offensive rebounds, putting the ball back in after it, and playing hustle defense.
It's a high-scoring game because of the fast pace but the Warriors still lose in the end even without Kawhi Leonard for the Clippers.

Almost the same happened with the Denver Nuggets versus the Sacramento Kings game.
The Nuggets had 17 point lead as their highest if I remember correctly and all of it was chipped away by the Kings. Nikola Jokic is frustrated because he cannot feel his soft touch shooting the ball. I bet he had a bad morning. I mean look at his stats today, 15 points, 8 assists, and 5 rebounds. That is not the normal Jokic that we see when he spends 39 minutes on the floor.
Sadly, that's their last game before the All-Star. It could've been great if they had the win before a long rest.
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February 15, 2024, 02:07:42 AM
Big comeback by the Clippers to stop the Warriors win streak. Again.... as what we've seen by the past games of the Clippers where they can comeback despite of the huge deficit, they did it again vs the Warriors.

This team is really a championship team, they are playing with Leonard, and PG got fouled out in the 4th quarter but they were still able to win.
These 3 players (Powell, Coffey, and Westbrook) the 2nd unit, as long as they stay healthy, they could be a huge asset to the Clippers success.

Curry made a history tonight but sad that they loss. And again, Thompson has struggled again and he wasn't so happy.
Yeah, they ended the winning streak of the Warriors, everyone is struggling, except Curry. And that is the thing with them, Klay is very inconsistent, last time he had a good shooting shot, and now he is back to his old self and it was only Curry who tries to carry the team on his back. But it's going to be hard if you are trailing and everyone is struggling. So I guess they are back in the drawing boards again and see what went wrong for them. And so finally Clippers is also back in the winning column, I do agree, if everyone is healthy this team is hard to beat. Their second unit with Powell and Westbrook is enough to be a starting five in other teams.
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February 15, 2024, 02:00:08 AM
What can you say about the news that Golden State tried to trade for LeBron before the trade deadline? Also, it says that Draymond Green texted Rich Paul (LeBron's agent) if there is some way he can encourage or recruit Bron to go to GSW. This trade would pair LeBron and Steph Curry with the Warriors. If this happened, I don't really know if they would still be deadly as a duo. I know that both of them are still playing great this season. LeBron James is still averaging his usual numbers, and he is on the way to his 20th All-Star appearance. Same goes with Steph; he is still knocking down threes and carrying Golden State at his back. But if this happened way back in their prime years, this duo would be deadly. We all know LeBron loves having teammates that can knock down threes, and Steph is smooth playing with anybody; just look at KD when he was still in the Warriors; all of them are having their time on the court. 

If that trade happens, the world will be in shock.

They probably offered something ridiculous for him just to give the Lakers a chance to dump salary and avoid LeBron causing an offseason media fest with his decision about free agency.

The 76ers also reached out to trade for Durant, Booker, or Beal. You can give them credit for trying, but none of those deals were ever going to happen.
These offers made the think that there must be crazy things going on behind close doors. These rumours are just the ones somehow got leaked. To me, Lebron in GSW seems impossible and would never fit for anyone, not for Lebron or Warriors. 76ers reaching out to Durant or Booker also seems crazy. How would that even work? I may be oldschool but I liked the days these kinds of stars were just franchise players. Teams with multiple superstars kinda killing it for me. It started with Lebron going to Miami actually. I hope these things woul never happen again.

I think lakers would not want that to happen since imagine how huge the market of Lebron and if they let this trade to happen then I guess there's a lot will be lose on their side. This discussion maybe didn't proceed since they cut this idea about possible landing of Lebron to GSW and this one just came out late since maybe some media just want to clickbait people to hype their article. I would say its impossible for Lebron to land in GSW knowing how big the asset would La ask in return and for sure they would ask lots of player which I think not really worth it especially Lebron is at the peak of his career and anytime he would provably announce his retirement.

I think LeBron is on a player option for next year, so teams could get him for nothing after this season. He’s also planning to play with Curry in the next Olympics… I never thought LeBron to Golden State was a possibility but after reading all the news today I think it could realistically happen. They’d just need to draft Bronny.

But Lebron James is an old player approaching 40 years old whose career is no longer and Lebron James' contract salary is also high so NBA clubs interested in Lebron James will also think long and hard about recruiting Lebron James. Even though LeBron James' performance is still good and his point scoring productivity is still high with average points, his points per game are still above 30 points.
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February 15, 2024, 01:58:16 AM
Big comeback by the Clippers to stop the Warriors win streak. Again.... as what we've seen by the past games of the Clippers where they can comeback despite of the huge deficit, they did it again vs the Warriors.

This team is really a championship team, they are playing with Leonard, and PG got fouled out in the 4th quarter but they were still able to win.
These 3 players (Powell, Coffey, and Westbrook) the 2nd unit, as long as they stay healthy, they could be a huge asset to the Clippers success.

Curry made a history tonight but sad that they loss. And again, Thompson has struggled again and he wasn't so happy.
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February 15, 2024, 01:45:41 AM

I think LeBron is on a player option for next year, so teams could get him for nothing after this season. He’s also planning to play with Curry in the next Olympics… I never thought LeBron to Golden State was a possibility but after reading all the news today I think it could realistically happen. They’d just need to draft Bronny.

I guess the Warriors and the Sixers are just trying to get LeBron's attention to have them on his list when he gets his player option next year. Trading for LeBron this season it's quite impossible for both ends, as the receiving end will probably going to give up to much for a veteran who literally have like 2-3 more years to contribute effectively to the team. But yeah these teams only need to draft Bronny to get LeBron without sacrificing any future picks and important pieces to the team.
Also, I don't know what's the purpose for the 76ers to try and make a trade with the big names. I was actually laughing when people said it's like literally "shooting for the stars" LOL. Anyway, I think they are just trying their too little to nothing chances of luck, because most probably they are not gonna risk too much future picks and young cores as well.
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I wouldn't like this.
It would just look like to final desperate attempt to build another "superteam", not a fan.
Yesterday I watched a video about Bronny and there it was said that he isn't even on any mock draft board at the moment. Before he wont to USC many predicted him to go like 15th-30th in the draft but now he wouldn't even get picked in the 2nd round.
His stats at USC are not really impressive while still seeing 21 minutes per game.



Of course the "I want to play with my son" situation is a thing so teams would maybe pick him to get Lebron, or get leverage in a trade scenario sending Bronny to him for a good return.

Maybe he won't get picked but signed after all by Lebron's team, where ever he is playing at then.
Yeah, doesn't look good for Bronny at the moment but things can change with time, experience and mental attitude. I don't think Lakers would draft Bronny and maybe LeBron moves to another team that would fit in Bronny in the team as well? remains to be seen.
Clippers vs Warriors ongoing at the moment. Clippers without Kawhi but still challenging the Warriors as the score is tied at 108-108 with 6 mins to go.  Will certainly be an upset if Clippers beat Warriors at Warriors home and without Kawhi.
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