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I watched Nurkic video and damn I fell in my seat.

That was really horrible and later I will pray deeply for his fast recovery. That was worse than what happened with PG13.
I hope he doesnt stop playing after the recovery.

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Let's discuss the Bucks vs the Rockets game, it ended up a win for the home team, bucks beating the Rockets (108-94)
and although Harden had a double double tonight but he did not score 30+ points, and we know what will happen if their main scoring machine is limited with that score only. Harden is consistent scoring 30+ points every game but got limited tonight, the defense of the Bucks are making it possible.

Whoever taught George Hill and Bledsoe on how to defend Harden is a wise man.

Prevent the three's. Keep defending the left side of him to prevent him from shooting outside. Force him to the right and let him do a floater for a 2 point which could also miss or pass the ball to Capella. (if he cannot pass it to Capella, 50% chance for a steal) happened a lot of times.

Trust the big man to do his job. (center)
Just do not give him space to make a three point shot.

2 things happened.
Bledsoe forgot to defend Harden on the left side. He stayed in front and so Harden made a three.
Hill stayed on the left side, Harden forced a three and it was an air ball.

Hail to the defensive brain of the Bucks.
Also for Hill for not forgetting the strategy in every play.

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Quote from: Jating on March 27, 2019, 01:29:41 PM

That scenario is possible as well. And I guess team championship is really important than an individual award.

The win is really impressive, the defence and the length they go just to shutdown Harden today is very good. They might have planted the blue print on how to beat Rockets. Of course games played in playoffs is different because of the intensity, but Milwaukee is doing a good job so far and it may carry this momentum to the playoffs.

The game last night was just a beating on houston by the bucks. Watching the rockets shooting from the three point line and seeing miss after miss was hard to watch when you expect this perimeter shooting team to hit alot more then what they ended up with. It was a rewind of what golden state did against the mavericks a few nights ago. Just embarrassing if they see this their run into the playoffs.
The only memorable highlights of the game was giannis dunking when he got on the inside of the rockets defense. If you can even call it that last night. Undecided

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But on the other hand, Bucks will not be on the top spot in the East if the whole team didn't improve. This team is not always Giannis. We all know that he is surrounded with pure role players. Their journey this season is really impressive and honestly I even didn't think they will clinched the 1st spot in the East.

You should change your idea of Giannis being surrounded with role players. Actually they are not. Let's talk about Malcolm Brogdon, have you seen his last few games? He's 50% from the field and his trying is best to become a spot up shooter for giannis, as Giannis is a monster on the court that might drag many defender on his watch, he needs spot up shooter. Speaking of spot up shooter, the first time all star Khris Middleton. He's the second best in Bucks and I think he's star in the making. He got his first ticket in the all star game and of course will try his best again next year. Eric Bledsoe, a great floor general that can sweep the floor and can provide a lot of space for the team. And also, a great ISO player. I think you're wrong with pure role players.

What lacks the Bucks is another star for a competitive playoff game. Although next year, they might improve. Let's just hope they will improve and support Giannis more. But, watch out. Giannis will take a leap next year. Because months before the year of 2018 ends, he started making a lot of three pointers. Wink

You already mentioned some of the roles. Brogdon as "spot up" shooter for Giannis, same way for Middleton, Bledsoe etc. therefore a role players.

These are players who plays a very "specific role" on the team. Looks like we have different definition for a role players. And honestly, I see a team with composed of pure role players is way better than pure All-Stars or Superstar rosters.

Although Im not rooting for Milwaukee Bucks, I see that they are ready in the upcoming playoffs. No need for another superstar just to add up the fuel and that's not necessary in general.

But agree, if Giannis will work for his 3s and who knows it will improved more, damn he will be an all-around player now.

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So far rockets had probably just 2 games with amazing amount of threes missed but that is literally all people count on when beating rockets, defend the perimeter strong enough to actually make them miss 20+ threes, that is not something rockets gonna do all the time.

I feel like warriors are already on what rockets are doing and they will defend them much better this off season if/when they meet because they know their system now but no matter what in the end you can't just hope for 20+ misses from them. West Conference Finals will probably still be Rockets versus Warriors if nothing out of ordinary happens.

Bucks can't keep doing this on 7 game series though, I know there is a very very slim chance bucks and Rockets play each other, there is still warriors and east is stacked as well but if that somehow magically happens Rockets would beat them very easily.

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I'm imagining the bad fell that happened to him and it makes feel more than an ouch. Please recover fast Nurkic!

Enough for Nurkic discussion.

Let's discuss the Bucks vs the Rockets game, it ended up a win for the home team, bucks beating the Rockets (108-94)
and although Harden had a double double tonight but he did not score 30+ points, and we know what will happen if their main scoring machine is limited with that score only. Harden is consistent scoring 30+ points every game but got limited tonight, the defense of the Bucks are making it possible.

Correct, if Harden doesn't score 30+ points, then Houston has a problem. And we should give credits where it is due, to the Bucks swarming defense. You can check the stats, Houston just shot 35% from the field and went 16-52 from 3's very strange for Rockets. But then again, the defense is superb and not only that they created a lot of problem and turn-overs for Houston as well. So good game for the Bucks and really showing who is the team to beat in the East.

Exactly, their defense is very high level at this point. Giannis didn't score many today, it was Eric Bledsoe who lead the Bucks, but they didn't need Giannis to score more because their team defense really hold Houston Rockets.

Harden only scored 23 points, and didn't have his usual triple double, just 7 assist, another testimony of the good defense that Milwaukee has put and you can also see them missing the usual shots they make.

Bucks has a chance to be the NBA Champion, they have the defense and they are also dominant in rebounding, also don't forget they beat the warriors.
Their road and home record are good and Giannis is hungry to be in the NBA finals.|
I'm just thinking of possibility, if Giannis will not win the MVP this season, but he can still be an NBA Finals MVP if they will reach the NBA Finals.

That scenario is possible as well. And I guess team championship is really important than an individual award.

The win is really impressive, the defence and the length they go just to shutdown Harden today is very good. They might have planted the blue print on how to beat Rockets. Of course games played in playoffs is different because of the intensity, but Milwaukee is doing a good job so far and it may carry this momentum to the playoffs.

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Quote from: Botnake on March 26, 2019, 10:30:26 PM

Enough for Nurkic discussion.

Let's discuss the Bucks vs the Rockets game, it ended up a win for the home team, bucks beating the Rockets (108-94)
and although Harden had a double double tonight but he did not score 30+ points, and we know what will happen if their main scoring machine is limited with that score only. Harden is consistent scoring 30+ points every game but got limited tonight, the defense of the Bucks are making it possible.

Bucks had a great game on that. I watched them defended the rockets pretty good. And the best part is neutralizing James Harden, the scoring machine of the team. I hope that they can expose rockets by this type of defense. Well, bucks is the eastern team I'm rooting for.

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That Nurkic injury was a nasty one, made me cringe watching the replay Shocked

Hope he is able to recover soon, otherwise the Blazers could be looking at an early exit.

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I'm imagining the bad fell that happened to him and it makes feel more than an ouch. Please recover fast Nurkic!

Enough for Nurkic discussion.

Let's discuss the Bucks vs the Rockets game, it ended up a win for the home team, bucks beating the Rockets (108-94)
and although Harden had a double double tonight but he did not score 30+ points, and we know what will happen if their main scoring machine is limited with that score only. Harden is consistent scoring 30+ points every game but got limited tonight, the defense of the Bucks are making it possible.

Correct, if Harden doesn't score 30+ points, then Houston has a problem. And we should give credits where it is due, to the Bucks swarming defense. You can check the stats, Houston just shot 35% from the field and went 16-52 from 3's very strange for Rockets. But then again, the defense is superb and not only that they created a lot of problem and turn-overs for Houston as well. So good game for the Bucks and really showing who is the team to beat in the East.

Exactly, their defense is very high level at this point. Giannis didn't score many today, it was Eric Bledsoe who lead the Bucks, but they didn't need Giannis to score more because their team defense really hold Houston Rockets.

Harden only scored 23 points, and didn't have his usual triple double, just 7 assist, another testimony of the good defense that Milwaukee has put and you can also see them missing the usual shots they make.

Bucks has a chance to be the NBA Champion, they have the defense and they are also dominant in rebounding, also don't forget they beat the warriors.
Their road and home record are good and Giannis is hungry to be in the NBA finals.|
I'm just thinking of possibility, if Giannis will not win the MVP this season, but he can still be an NBA Finals MVP if they will reach the NBA Finals.

Remember it's different on how they play in regular and playoffs, for example Rockets. Also, don't forget about Celtics, Raptors and Sixers as this three also has the chance on making it to NBA Finals. I can say since the departure of Lebron in East, Eastern Conference is now equal and a bit unpredictable on who are going to make into the Finals.

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I'm imagining the bad fell that happened to him and it makes feel more than an ouch. Please recover fast Nurkic!

Enough for Nurkic discussion.

Let's discuss the Bucks vs the Rockets game, it ended up a win for the home team, bucks beating the Rockets (108-94)
and although Harden had a double double tonight but he did not score 30+ points, and we know what will happen if their main scoring machine is limited with that score only. Harden is consistent scoring 30+ points every game but got limited tonight, the defense of the Bucks are making it possible.

Correct, if Harden doesn't score 30+ points, then Houston has a problem. And we should give credits where it is due, to the Bucks swarming defense. You can check the stats, Houston just shot 35% from the field and went 16-52 from 3's very strange for Rockets. But then again, the defense is superb and not only that they created a lot of problem and turn-overs for Houston as well. So good game for the Bucks and really showing who is the team to beat in the East.

Exactly, their defense is very high level at this point. Giannis didn't score many today, it was Eric Bledsoe who lead the Bucks, but they didn't need Giannis to score more because their team defense really hold Houston Rockets.

Harden only scored 23 points, and didn't have his usual triple double, just 7 assist, another testimony of the good defense that Milwaukee has put and you can also see them missing the usual shots they make.

Bucks has a chance to be the NBA Champion, they have the defense and they are also dominant in rebounding, also don't forget they beat the warriors.
Their road and home record are good and Giannis is hungry to be in the NBA finals.|
I'm just thinking of possibility, if Giannis will not win the MVP this season, but he can still be an NBA Finals MVP if they will reach the NBA Finals.

One good game against one of the nba's top teams isn't any indication of how the bucks will perform in the playoffs though. Just think about the team they beat, houston, who did a very good job dominating in the regular season but falling short of beating the well experienced gsw. Same thing is a big possibility for the young bucks though giannis is really growing to be the top dog in the east after james left for la. One thing's for sure, the east is a lot more interesting this year.

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Quote from: boyptc on March 26, 2019, 07:36:29 PM

I'm imagining the bad fell that happened to him and it makes feel more than an ouch. Please recover fast Nurkic!

Enough for Nurkic discussion.

Let's discuss the Bucks vs the Rockets game, it ended up a win for the home team, bucks beating the Rockets (108-94)
and although Harden had a double double tonight but he did not score 30+ points, and we know what will happen if their main scoring machine is limited with that score only. Harden is consistent scoring 30+ points every game but got limited tonight, the defense of the Bucks are making it possible.

Correct, if Harden doesn't score 30+ points, then Houston has a problem. And we should give credits where it is due, to the Bucks swarming defense. You can check the stats, Houston just shot 35% from the field and went 16-52 from 3's very strange for Rockets. But then again, the defense is superb and not only that they created a lot of problem and turn-overs for Houston as well. So good game for the Bucks and really showing who is the team to beat in the East.

Exactly, their defense is very high level at this point. Giannis didn't score many today, it was Eric Bledsoe who lead the Bucks, but they didn't need Giannis to score more because their team defense really hold Houston Rockets.

Harden only scored 23 points, and didn't have his usual triple double, just 7 assist, another testimony of the good defense that Milwaukee has put and you can also see them missing the usual shots they make.

Bucks has a chance to be the NBA Champion, they have the defense and they are also dominant in rebounding, also don't forget they beat the warriors.
Their road and home record are good and Giannis is hungry to be in the NBA finals.|
I'm just thinking of possibility, if Giannis will not win the MVP this season, but he can still be an NBA Finals MVP if they will reach the NBA Finals.

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Quote from: boyptc on March 26, 2019, 07:36:29 PM

I'm imagining the bad fell that happened to him and it makes feel more than an ouch. Please recover fast Nurkic!

Enough for Nurkic discussion.

Let's discuss the Bucks vs the Rockets game, it ended up a win for the home team, bucks beating the Rockets (108-94)
and although Harden had a double double tonight but he did not score 30+ points, and we know what will happen if their main scoring machine is limited with that score only. Harden is consistent scoring 30+ points every game but got limited tonight, the defense of the Bucks are making it possible.

Correct, if Harden doesn't score 30+ points, then Houston has a problem. And we should give credits where it is due, to the Bucks swarming defense. You can check the stats, Houston just shot 35% from the field and went 16-52 from 3's very strange for Rockets. But then again, the defense is superb and not only that they created a lot of problem and turn-overs for Houston as well. So good game for the Bucks and really showing who is the team to beat in the East.

Exactly, their defense is very high level at this point. Giannis didn't score many today, it was Eric Bledsoe who lead the Bucks, but they didn't need Giannis to score more because their team defense really hold Houston Rockets.

Harden only scored 23 points, and didn't have his usual triple double, just 7 assist, another testimony of the good defense that Milwaukee has put and you can also see them missing the usual shots they make.

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Quote from: boyptc on March 26, 2019, 07:36:29 PM

I'm imagining the bad fell that happened to him and it makes feel more than an ouch. Please recover fast Nurkic!

Enough for Nurkic discussion.

Let's discuss the Bucks vs the Rockets game, it ended up a win for the home team, bucks beating the Rockets (108-94)
and although Harden had a double double tonight but he did not score 30+ points, and we know what will happen if their main scoring machine is limited with that score only. Harden is consistent scoring 30+ points every game but got limited tonight, the defense of the Bucks are making it possible.

Correct, if Harden doesn't score 30+ points, then Houston has a problem. And we should give credits where it is due, to the Bucks swarming defense. You can check the stats, Houston just shot 35% from the field and went 16-52 from 3's very strange for Rockets. But then again, the defense is superb and not only that they created a lot of problem and turn-overs for Houston as well. So good game for the Bucks and really showing who is the team to beat in the East.

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Quote from: boyptc on March 26, 2019, 07:36:29 PM

I'm imagining the bad fell that happened to him and it makes feel more than an ouch. Please recover fast Nurkic!

Enough for Nurkic discussion.

Let's discuss the Bucks vs the Rockets game, it ended up a win for the home team, bucks beating the Rockets (108-94)
and although Harden had a double double tonight but he did not score 30+ points, and we know what will happen if their main scoring machine is limited with that score only. Harden is consistent scoring 30+ points every game but got limited tonight, the defense of the Bucks are making it possible.

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Quote from: Caladonian on March 26, 2019, 01:12:08 PM

Prayers for Nurkic as this is really a bad one for him.

Very terrible injury, I watched the video once and I saw on how he fell bad after jumping.

I pray for his recovery, feeling bad for this guy. Undecided

I'm imagining the bad fell that happened to him and it makes feel more than an ouch. Please recover fast Nurkic!

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What are your thoughts about the latest injury of Jusuf Nurkic? This is the link to that video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvolan-diXY. Not advertising the video but, dude that was a gruesome injury and I thought not to play basketball more because of this. I think I might be playing 2k19 because of this.

I did not watch the video, I just read the comments from here .
This is a serious one and Nurkic might not be able to play the off season, and this will hurt the Blazers. With him, they are doing better this season but I'm seeing a first round exit for this team without Nurkic.

Nurkic is definitely one of the most important players for the Blazers but it is still early to say if this is going to affect them that much as you say. Kanter will probably take his place and I think we should wait and see how they play with this new formation for the rest of the season and they make assumptions about their playoffs run.

I can really say that this do really make some big effect on them considering that Nurkic do have a big role to the team but well if they can handle and patch up
his absence and someone can able to perform his role then it might not a big deal at all. Praying for Nurkic fast recovery but we do already expect that he wont able to make it
through this season.

It's absolutely 100% to miss the remainder of this season but still the most important question remains how long to will actually takes before he will be able to return and play for the team again. It definitely seems like one of the worst injuries a player could ever face and this could potentially affect the rest of his NBA career. Most likely its going to take at least 1-2 years until he should be ready to play again in a match so all we can do is pray for him for a quick and good recovery.

Lucky if it would fully recover and would able for him to play once again but for sure it would still takes time yet broken bone doesn't heal on a short span of time.
The thing that do makes me angry when seeing that video replay is that referee do trip off that broken leg. Shows no respect for the injured player.

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What are your thoughts about the latest injury of Jusuf Nurkic? This is the link to that video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvolan-diXY. Not advertising the video but, dude that was a gruesome injury and I thought not to play basketball more because of this. I think I might be playing 2k19 because of this.

I did not watch the video, I just read the comments from here .
This is a serious one and Nurkic might not be able to play the off season, and this will hurt the Blazers. With him, they are doing better this season but I'm seeing a first round exit for this team without Nurkic.

Nurkic is definitely one of the most important players for the Blazers but it is still early to say if this is going to affect them that much as you say. Kanter will probably take his place and I think we should wait and see how they play with this new formation for the rest of the season and they make assumptions about their playoffs run.

I can really say that this do really make some big effect on them considering that Nurkic do have a big role to the team but well if they can handle and patch up
his absence and someone can able to perform his role then it might not a big deal at all. Praying for Nurkic fast recovery but we do already expect that he wont able to make it
through this season.

It's absolutely 100% to miss the remainder of this season but still the most important question remains how long to will actually takes before he will be able to return and play for the team again. It definitely seems like one of the worst injuries a player could ever face and this could potentially affect the rest of his NBA career. Most likely its going to take at least 1-2 years until he should be ready to play again in a match so all we can do is pray for him for a quick and good recovery.

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Guys be really careful with your bets.

This is the time now where there could be teams that will try to lose games just so they could match up with a team which weakness is them.
One example could be GSW who may be selling their games for that purpose. Since they already have a spot in the playoffs they may want to go against a team which they could sweep in the first round and save their energy for the 2nd round.
It is a tactic which happens quite a lot and also might get wrong.

Just watch out.
PS: I am just using GSW as an example but I am not sure they are really doing it by now.

Isn't it against the rule to deliberately lose a game?

I mean if NBA found out that they are going on losing intentionally then they could be fine.

They still needed to be #1 seed to really game that home court advantage specially if they face Denver Nuggets? No?

Yes they need to. But they could play to lose a game just so for the 7th and 8th seed to be changed.

If there is really a rule for that deliberately losing a game then they are all guilty.
First, why are they letting their stars to not play the last games just because they are sure for a position in the playoffs.
That is already like they dont care to lose a game. It is just the same.

Second, they know inside that it is happening and it happened many times, just not obvious. Grin

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Quote from: Xenrise on March 26, 2019, 03:37:13 AM

What are your thoughts about the latest injury of Jusuf Nurkic? This is the link to that video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvolan-diXY. Not advertising the video but, dude that was a gruesome injury and I thought not to play basketball more because of this. I think I might be playing 2k19 because of this.

I did not watch the video, I just read the comments from here .
This is a serious one and Nurkic might not be able to play the off season, and this will hurt the Blazers. With him, they are doing better this season but I'm seeing a first round exit for this team without Nurkic.

Nurkic is definitely one of the most important players for the Blazers but it is still early to say if this is going to affect them that much as you say. Kanter will probably take his place and I think we should wait and see how they play with this new formation for the rest of the season and they make assumptions about their playoffs run.

I can really say that this do really make some big effect on them considering that Nurkic do have a big role to the team but well if they can handle and patch up
his absence and someone can able to perform his role then it might not a big deal at all. Praying for Nurkic fast recovery but we do already expect that he wont able to make it
through this season.

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^^
The mavericks served warriors their own medicine by shooting threes just like they have been doing to other teams.

The good thing is that they bounce back today.
It's just a single digit win but enough to entertain the crowd and erase their bad performance yesterday.
All the starters are playing and scoring well, BTW, no cousins in this game.

I think Bogut is better for defensive purposes.

Bogut is very good when it comes to making screens.

Finally, the Lakers won! Congrats Le-cry, you are officially elimated this season.

Well he was just part of the collapse of the lakers from the start of the season.
This video explains it all the way back when kobe was still playing with them and they made bad deals and decisions for the future of their team. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6pliTdjFeo
I cant believe they didnt keep d'angelo. Roll Eyes

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Quote from: Xenrise on March 26, 2019, 03:37:13 AM

What are your thoughts about the latest injury of Jusuf Nurkic? This is the link to that video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvolan-diXY. Not advertising the video but, dude that was a gruesome injury and I thought not to play basketball more because of this. I think I might be playing 2k19 because of this.

Just watched that video and I was literally horrified. He is going to miss this season for sure... and I'd consider him extremely lucky if he is able to play next year. As per the reports he suffered compound fractures to his left tibia and fibula. Five years back, the same happened with Paul George (Oklahoma City Thunder).

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