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Quote from: wheelz1200 on September 05, 2019, 11:22:27 AM

Lol I'm far from a denver fan but jokic not a superstar yet? He MADE All NBA first team. That is reserved for the very best players at their position so he isn't top 20 level, lol cmon man. At 24 dude almost averaged a triple double. And did you forget about Murray? Cant wait for everyone to be so surprised about this team killing it again this year.

Actually waiting for them to marinate and they will really taste better on the long run.
If I am the Denver management I would not let go of this two.
It is like the Draymond and Curry duo or the Billups and Rasheed Wallace duo. Once that chemistry blooms more then they would be unstoppable.
They will just need wing men to provide as a spacer to make that floor look likes it is a big dome specially for Jokic to move freely inside the paint.

I will try to watch every game of them and see how much they had improved from last year.

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Quote from: sana54210 on September 05, 2019, 10:50:43 AM

Those are just the bottom pit of west, neither Denver nor Portland will be doing anything major this year, they will literally be just bottom pit playoff teams that will be eliminated on the first round of playoffs and nothing more. They had a lucky year last season but that is over now that all teams on west have better superstars than Denver and Portland.

We can't even call Jokic and Harris superstars yet, they play well together but that's about it, they are not at elite top 20 levels if you ask me. I would say if things work out for them well Houston should be the clear favorites, they still have their core of harden/capela/gordon/tucker going on but they added Westbrook instead of aging and injury prone CP3 which would make a lot of difference if they can find a way to implement Westbrook to their team.

Lol I'm far from a denver fan but jokic not a superstar yet? He MADE All NBA first team. That is reserved for the very best players at their position so he isn't top 20 level, lol cmon man. At 24 dude almost averaged a triple double. And did you forget about Murray? Cant wait for everyone to be so surprised about this team killing it again this year.

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Those are just the bottom pit of west, neither Denver nor Portland will be doing anything major this year, they will literally be just bottom pit playoff teams that will be eliminated on the first round of playoffs and nothing more. They had a lucky year last season but that is over now that all teams on west have better superstars than Denver and Portland.

We can't even call Jokic and Harris superstars yet, they play well together but that's about it, they are not at elite top 20 levels if you ask me. I would say if things work out for them well Houston should be the clear favorites, they still have their core of harden/capela/gordon/tucker going on but they added Westbrook instead of aging and injury prone CP3 which would make a lot of difference if they can find a way to implement Westbrook to their team.

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Quote from: jostorres on September 04, 2019, 12:50:36 PM

Denver had a chance last season with some injuries, like they lost to blazers in the end but if they beat blazers and than warriors had injures one series earlier than they could have won that series, very difficult and almost impossible but it was at least a bit possible.

They do not have the same chance this season because now there is parity in the league like never was, a lot of great teams, Houston with Westbrook and harden, Lakers with Lebron and AD, clippers with PG13 and Kawhi, Warriors with Curry and Klay, Spurs with Derozan and LMA. I mean there must be other teams I am forgetting and that is just west side, not even mentioning teams from east because they are not going to finals anyway. I think Denver should keep focusing on improving their guys and implementing their system further with players that will be better, doing some trades or signing FA during off-season.

The west is much improve now with the facts you've mentioned.
Reason why Denver had a good standing in the past season is due to Warriors and Rockets struggling from the start but Denver remain consistent.
However, when these struggling teams were able to get back in shape in the later part to the off season, that's the time the Denver Nuggets face a good team and they lost against the Blazers.

We although cannot underestimate Denver Nuggets, but they are still young with lack of star players, Jokic maybe extraordinary, but who would fill his shoes in the event he gets injured, or who will he rely in the event he struggles in scoring.

Jokic needs help if Denver wanted to keep improving their spot from this league. They should find a way to free up their cap and start building a solid team to help Jokic. It's time to follow the trend, teams are doing their best to get some help from stars being free agents, If they can land a Kawhi-type of intensity who can boost the rhythm of the game, it's best to aim for higher chances and to impress more fans.

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Quote from: jostorres on September 04, 2019, 12:50:36 PM

Denver had a chance last season with some injuries, like they lost to blazers in the end but if they beat blazers and than warriors had injures one series earlier than they could have won that series, very difficult and almost impossible but it was at least a bit possible.

That's one possibility, another what if, however, with only one star in the roster, I bet they will continue to struggle with Blazers offense with D. Lilard and CJ.

Don't you sleep on Jusuf Nurkic, this is one of the reasons of the success of the Denver Nuggets, if he was healthy in the Playoffs, they could end the Nuggets in less than 7 games and might compete at a high level with the Warriors in the WCF.

Look at this guy's stats https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/n/nurkiju01.html
He average a double double in the last season, with 15.6 points and 10.4 rebounds, their defense is better with him as he can guard Jokic in the paint and any big man as I don't see him got dominated by a big man in the last season.

Yeah, who would forgot Nurkic's injury at the wrong time, one of the worst injury last season. He was really the third scoring option, but fortunately for them, CJ Mccollum and Damian Lillard was able to overcome Denver. I remember previously saying that Portland won't get thru the second round of the playoffs.

But we will have to see if Nurkic can get over that injury as well. No timetable yet, but hopefully he can get back this season.

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Quote from: jostorres on September 04, 2019, 12:50:36 PM

Denver had a chance last season with some injuries, like they lost to blazers in the end but if they beat blazers and than warriors had injures one series earlier than they could have won that series, very difficult and almost impossible but it was at least a bit possible.

That's one possibility, another what if, however, with only one star in the roster, I bet they will continue to struggle with Blazers offense with D. Lilard and CJ.

Don't you sleep on Jusuf Nurkic, this is one of the reasons of the success of the Denver Nuggets, if he was healthy in the Playoffs, they could end the Nuggets in less than 7 games and might compete at a high level with the Warriors in the WCF.

Look at this guy's stats https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/n/nurkiju01.html
He average a double double in the last season, with 15.6 points and 10.4 rebounds, their defense is better with him as he can guard Jokic in the paint and any big man as I don't see him got dominated by a big man in the last season.

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Quote from: jostorres on September 04, 2019, 12:50:36 PM

Denver had a chance last season with some injuries, like they lost to blazers in the end but if they beat blazers and than warriors had injures one series earlier than they could have won that series, very difficult and almost impossible but it was at least a bit possible.

That's one possibility, another what if, however, with only one star in the roster, I bet they will continue to struggle with Blazers offense with D. Lilard and CJ.

Quote from: jostorres on September 04, 2019, 12:50:36 PM

They do not have the same chance this season because now there is parity in the league like never was, a lot of great teams, Houston with Westbrook and harden, Lakers with Lebron and AD, clippers with PG13 and Kawhi, Warriors with Curry and Klay, Spurs with Derozan and LMA. I mean there must be other teams I am forgetting and that is just west side, not even mentioning teams from east because they are not going to finals anyway. I think Denver should keep focusing on improving their guys and implementing their system further with players that will be better, doing some trades or signing FA during off-season.

Exactly, but who knows, they can still improved a lot and learn from that series with Portland last year. The team is still solid in papers and maybe one or two players will stand out this time to help the scoring load from Jokic and put them in contention and have a good chance to at least play for the WCF.

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Quote from: jostorres on September 04, 2019, 12:50:36 PM

Denver had a chance last season with some injuries, like they lost to blazers in the end but if they beat blazers and than warriors had injures one series earlier than they could have won that series, very difficult and almost impossible but it was at least a bit possible.

They do not have the same chance this season because now there is parity in the league like never was, a lot of great teams, Houston with Westbrook and harden, Lakers with Lebron and AD, clippers with PG13 and Kawhi, Warriors with Curry and Klay, Spurs with Derozan and LMA. I mean there must be other teams I am forgetting and that is just west side, not even mentioning teams from east because they are not going to finals anyway. I think Denver should keep focusing on improving their guys and implementing their system further with players that will be better, doing some trades or signing FA during off-season.

The west is much improve now with the facts you've mentioned.
Reason why Denver had a good standing in the past season is due to Warriors and Rockets struggling from the start but Denver remain consistent.
However, when these struggling teams were able to get back in shape in the later part to the off season, that's the time the Denver Nuggets face a good team and they lost against the Blazers.

We although cannot underestimate Denver Nuggets, but they are still young with lack of star players, Jokic maybe extraordinary, but who would fill his shoes in the event he gets injured, or who will he rely in the event he struggles in scoring.

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Quote from: jostorres on September 04, 2019, 12:50:36 PM

Denver had a chance last season with some injuries, like they lost to blazers in the end but if they beat blazers and than warriors had injures one series earlier than they could have won that series, very difficult and almost impossible but it was at least a bit possible.

If I remember correctly, Denver Nuggets already won in series against a healthy GSW at that time.
It is GSW have a weakness with the Nuggets team and the same thing happened when Nuggets faced the Trail Blazers.

Quote from: jostorres on September 04, 2019, 12:50:36 PM

They do not have the same chance this season because now there is parity in the league like never was, a lot of great teams, Houston with Westbrook and harden, Lakers with Lebron and AD, clippers with PG13 and Kawhi, Warriors with Curry and Klay, Spurs with Derozan and LMA. I mean there must be other teams I am forgetting and that is just west side, not even mentioning teams from east because they are not going to finals anyway. I think Denver should keep focusing on improving their guys and implementing their system further with players that will be better, doing some trades or signing FA during off-season.

I would not side on that. As I said earlier here, this powerhouse teams that are being created do not have chemistry. (also might be the reason why they did not join the FIBA world cup USA team.) To somehow create some chemistry even with just a small amount of time.
On the other hand, Nuggets already have it and now needs to strengthen it.
Same goes for Portland, the duo there have the best chemistry ever even though both are doing isolation plays.

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Denver had a chance last season with some injuries, like they lost to blazers in the end but if they beat blazers and than warriors had injures one series earlier than they could have won that series, very difficult and almost impossible but it was at least a bit possible.

They do not have the same chance this season because now there is parity in the league like never was, a lot of great teams, Houston with Westbrook and harden, Lakers with Lebron and AD, clippers with PG13 and Kawhi, Warriors with Curry and Klay, Spurs with Derozan and LMA. I mean there must be other teams I am forgetting and that is just west side, not even mentioning teams from east because they are not going to finals anyway. I think Denver should keep focusing on improving their guys and implementing their system further with players that will be better, doing some trades or signing FA during off-season.

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Quote from: Ranly123 on September 04, 2019, 12:24:37 AM

Last season, Denver is already a contender in the playoffs and yes they are one or two superstars away to make it to the finals. Yet I guess it's too early to say they can be a championship contender considering their lack of experience during the playoffs.

With how the west got improved this season it's a big challenge for Denver proving their worth to contend with the ring, though the league is not even started and everyone's opinions counts, teams are adjusting and if Denver wanted to compete and have much better chance they will do the same,
Playoffs competitions to win the west side is really hard and challenging, it's interesting lets wait and see.

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Quote from: Ranly123 on September 04, 2019, 12:24:37 AM

Last season, Denver is already a contender in the playoffs and yes they are one or two superstars away to make it to the finals. Yet I guess it's too early to say they can be a championship contender considering their lack of experience during the playoffs.

I'm not believing either, maybe a playoff contender but not a championship contender.
We can see the ranking in the NBA futures to win the championship.
http://www.vegasinsider.com/nba/odds/futures/

Denver Nuggets is rank at number 8 with 16/1 betting odds, that's a great odds if you believe they will be and win the championship.
Clippers, Lakers, Rockets and Warriors are my top 4 favorites, I believe they will dominate the West this coming season and I believe Denver won't finished as in top 3 in the Western Conference ranking.

Odds are fine and all but that doesnt mean they arent going to be a good team. I'd say Denver's is a top 3 team this year. Just because superstars were added to some teams doesnt mean it will turn into regular season success. It will take some time for these teams to get, meanwhile Denver's will kick off day one just like last year.

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Quote from: Ranly123 on September 04, 2019, 12:24:37 AM

Last season, Denver is already a contender in the playoffs and yes they are one or two superstars away to make it to the finals. Yet I guess it's too early to say they can be a championship contender considering their lack of experience during the playoffs.

I'm not believing either, maybe a playoff contender but not a championship contender.
We can see the ranking in the NBA futures to win the championship.
http://www.vegasinsider.com/nba/odds/futures/

Denver Nuggets is rank at number 8 with 16/1 betting odds, that's a great odds if you believe they will be and win the championship.
Clippers, Lakers, Rockets and Warriors are my top 4 favorites, I believe they will dominate the West this coming season and I believe Denver won't finished as in top 3 in the Western Conference ranking.

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Last season, Denver is already a contender in the playoffs and yes they are one or two superstars away to make it to the finals. Yet I guess it's too early to say they can be a championship contender considering their lack of experience during the playoffs.

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Quote from: wheelz1200 on September 03, 2019, 06:42:18 PM

Denver is only going to get better. Between jokic and Murray that team is a couple of role players or one more star away from being on the top shelf as well. Dont sleep on Jamal murray he will be a top 10 player if not next season the season after kid is nice.

Jamal murray needs to be consistent, his stats are improving, so that's good. https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/murraja01.html
However, I don't think he will be in the top 10 great players in the NBA, there's more talent in the NBA which is better than Murray, I mean more MVP caliber and more athletic, this guy does not belong to their standing yet.

He also needs to be healthy all the time if possible to help his team wins, but if only Murray and Jokic who will constantly score, I'm not gonna expect they will be in the WCF or even in the playoffs as we've seen them very predictable during the Blazers series. IIRC, they were the favorites to win the series that time but loss in a thrilling game 7.

He doesnt need to be on the top 10 to be a champion. Leave that being a star to Jokic and just play hard and win the game again to get that top spot.

We all know that the West is filled with powerhouse team. Somehow, if Denver will be on top again then analysts that are hyping players could have some time for them.

Up until now, I dont see much analayst visitors in ESPN which is rooting for Denver but there is one which shocked them there.
Choices where Clippers, Bucks and Houston but yet he said nothing and chose Denver. (Cannot find the link anymore)

Another thing to consider is chemistry.
Powerhouse teams have players which will play for the first time with them. Not Denver.
Houston could be one since Harden and Westbrook knew each other before.

I think Houston will struggle a little in the beginning until they figure out how to play together...as far as Denver I think they have a good shot at being a top 3 team in the wcc. You can stack names on paper but the games still have to be played and the nuggs got a good enough squad to bang with anyone

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Quote from: wheelz1200 on September 03, 2019, 06:42:18 PM

Denver is only going to get better. Between jokic and Murray that team is a couple of role players or one more star away from being on the top shelf as well. Dont sleep on Jamal murray he will be a top 10 player if not next season the season after kid is nice.

Jamal murray needs to be consistent, his stats are improving, so that's good. https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/murraja01.html
However, I don't think he will be in the top 10 great players in the NBA, there's more talent in the NBA which is better than Murray, I mean more MVP caliber and more athletic, this guy does not belong to their standing yet.

He also needs to be healthy all the time if possible to help his team wins, but if only Murray and Jokic who will constantly score, I'm not gonna expect they will be in the WCF or even in the playoffs as we've seen them very predictable during the Blazers series. IIRC, they were the favorites to win the series that time but loss in a thrilling game 7.

He doesnt need to be on the top 10 to be a champion. Leave that being a star to Jokic and just play hard and win the game again to get that top spot.

We all know that the West is filled with powerhouse team. Somehow, if Denver will be on top again then analysts that are hyping players could have some time for them.

Up until now, I dont see much analayst visitors in ESPN which is rooting for Denver but there is one which shocked them there.
Choices where Clippers, Bucks and Houston but yet he said nothing and chose Denver. (Cannot find the link anymore)

Another thing to consider is chemistry.
Powerhouse teams have players which will play for the first time with them. Not Denver.
Houston could be one since Harden and Westbrook knew each other before.

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Quote from: wheelz1200 on September 03, 2019, 06:42:18 PM

Denver is only going to get better. Between jokic and Murray that team is a couple of role players or one more star away from being on the top shelf as well. Dont sleep on Jamal murray he will be a top 10 player if not next season the season after kid is nice.

Jamal murray needs to be consistent, his stats are improving, so that's good. https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/murraja01.html
However, I don't think he will be in the top 10 great players in the NBA, there's more talent in the NBA which is better than Murray, I mean more MVP caliber and more athletic, this guy does not belong to their standing yet.

He also needs to be healthy all the time if possible to help his team wins, but if only Murray and Jokic who will constantly score, I'm not gonna expect they will be in the WCF or even in the playoffs as we've seen them very predictable during the Blazers series. IIRC, they were the favorites to win the series that time but loss in a thrilling game 7.

Denver's was the #2 team in the wcco, on the back of murray and jokic. I'm not saying he is top 10 today but he is only 22 years old. I'm not a fan of Denver's but a fan of the way they play. To say they wont win in the playoffs is crazy those 2 can alone carry them far.

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Quote from: wheelz1200 on September 03, 2019, 06:42:18 PM

Denver is only going to get better. Between jokic and Murray that team is a couple of role players or one more star away from being on the top shelf as well. Dont sleep on Jamal murray he will be a top 10 player if not next season the season after kid is nice.

Jamal murray needs to be consistent, his stats are improving, so that's good. https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/murraja01.html
However, I don't think he will be in the top 10 great players in the NBA, there's more talent in the NBA which is better than Murray, I mean more MVP caliber and more athletic, this guy does not belong to their standing yet.

He also needs to be healthy all the time if possible to help his team wins, but if only Murray and Jokic who will constantly score, I'm not gonna expect they will be in the WCF or even in the playoffs as we've seen them very predictable during the Blazers series. IIRC, they were the favorites to win the series that time but loss in a thrilling game 7.

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Don't sleep on the Denver team. They are silent but they are very deadly

Yes, they are deadly. Many people are still doubting them because they don't have popular superstar players but they are a tough team to beat.

Quote from: Vaculin on September 03, 2019, 01:50:30 AM

I have my favorite team but I also like Denver, however, I don't see them beating the favorites this season.
Jokic alone can't give them success in the playoffs, we've seen enough in the last playoffs, Blazers were successful against them because they have a lot of scorers compared to Denver. Also, Jokic already scored his usual scoring, but not enough to help his team, he need someone who is reliable enough to help him score, Blazers had Damian Lillard, CJ, and Kanter (paying with injury), but they can't beat the team.

They don't have to beat your favorite team, someone else might beat them Cheesy

but joking aside, it's not like they were beaten badly by the Blazers. It was a very close series and the loss may also be attributed to the inexperience of Jokic and some of the team members. Things could have been different if he had the same number of high level playing years with Dame.

Denver is only going to get better. Between jokic and Murray that team is a couple of role players or one more star away from being on the top shelf as well. Dont sleep on Jamal murray he will be a top 10 player if not next season the season after kid is nice.

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Quote from: SquallLeonhart on September 03, 2019, 11:51:42 AM

I think blazers need a coaching change more so than any player improvement. At one point they had an amazing lineup with Dame-CJ-Evan-Harkless-Aminu-Nurkic and even Collins.

I'm with the idea of Blazers should change their coach since no positive result happens for 7 years with their current coach. However, even you put Stever Kerr or Coach Pop in the current Blazers team right now, I will bet that they will not be the champion.

What they need to do is to put some strong backup players around the main core. Remove Lillard and CJ on the floor and they are doomed. Blazers are known for not participating in catching big fish or at least have an effort to target a well-good player. They are like that for several seasons wasting the talents of Damian Lillard. Fortunately for them, Lillard already committed that he will not leave the team and will remain loyal. He said that, if I'm not mistaken 2 to 3 years ago.

Quote from: SquallLeonhart on September 03, 2019, 11:51:42 AM

It all depends on how you play a player more than how a player plays,

Coach is a big factor, no doubt about that. The presence of coaches like Steve Kerr or Coach Pop will boost players morale.

But in today's NBA, morale is not enough. Blazers should overhaul first their lineup and just consider changing coach later on.

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