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September 29, 2023, 12:47:04 AM
It's a jackpot deal for the Bucks, and I think no one expected this outcome of the Lillard drama. Lillard is probably more than happy with this deal because he will play for a team that can really contend for the title. By the way, it's also worth noting that the Bucks not only got Lillard but also potentially retained Giannis, who earlier said that he might leave the Bucks.
As for Middleton's role, he will most likely be SG in the starting lineup. There is no need for the Bucks to put him on the bench.
This proves once again... basketball is like a box of chocolates. You never know what you're gonna get
This was also a big surprise for me and this proves that the East is coming with everything it needs to be champions of this NBA season

I'm looking forward to watch the Celtics in this season, but I confess that now I'm curious and eager to watch the Bucks as well.

Lillard, Middleton, Portis, Giannis and Lopez, could this be a potential Bucks starting lineup?
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September 28, 2023, 10:00:36 PM
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With all of that, I only agree with Patrick Beverley. As a defensive player fan, I am always keen to those who plays hard on defense. Jrue Holiday is one of the defensive masters either defending a guard or a big man, it doesn't matter to him. Bucks has their offensive player on Giannis, what they need is a wingman for him and it's not Jrue that should've taken out. It should be Middleton! Ever since he became an All-Star, the fire on him is almost gone.
I can say he dodged a bullet here because Trail Blazers may have not liked him, and the Bucks was forced to trade Jrue.
Trade is a two-way street. Maybe Middleton was offered initially but the Blazers didn't want him probably due to his injuries and recent performance as well. Let's remember that Giannis is also asking questions on how serious the Bucks management are in winning another championship so the pressure is there to make moves that will likely make their franchise player happy and not leave as a free agent. Now is it the best trade for them? Probably not but let's see.
And that pressure that he made really helped the whole Bucks management to make some decisions like this one, and not just some decisions, but great decisions like this one. They don't want to lose Giannis for nothing, and his statements in the past really helped the Bucks. Sacrificing Holiday just to get Dame time is really a good decision coming from them. I mean they're now the top picks in winning the NBA title just because of that trade.

As for Middleton, it's good that he stayed because he's also a good 3-pt shooter. Injuries? He might've injured for most of the time last season, but he has this upcoming season to redeem himself, and be the 3rd option of the team. Is it the best trade for them? Yes for me, and the expectations are very high for the Bucks this season. I just hope that the chemistry will be built as early as possible. They also have a new coach with a defensive mind like Coach Vogel. One thing's for sure though, the Bucks won this trade big time. Smiley
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September 28, 2023, 09:11:02 PM
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With all of that, I only agree with Patrick Beverley. As a defensive player fan, I am always keen to those who plays hard on defense. Jrue Holiday is one of the defensive masters either defending a guard or a big man, it doesn't matter to him. Bucks has their offensive player on Giannis, what they need is a wingman for him and it's not Jrue that should've taken out. It should be Middleton! Ever since he became an All-Star, the fire on him is almost gone.
I can say he dodged a bullet here because Trail Blazers may have not liked him, and the Bucks was forced to trade Jrue.
Trade is a two-way street. Maybe Middleton was offered initially but the Blazers didn't want him probably due to his injuries and recent performance as well. Let's remember that Giannis is also asking questions on how serious the Bucks management are in winning another championship so the pressure is there to make moves that will likely make their franchise player happy and not leave as a free agent. Now is it the best trade for them? Probably not but let's see.
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September 28, 2023, 07:27:24 PM
The Damian Lillard news is hot. I am more interested in the reaction of the players and I found this article in NBA.com.
https://www.nba.com/news/nba-reacts-damian-lillard-trade-bucks
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Just woke up and saw the news.

NBA = The Greatest Show On Earth.
@VicOladipo
https://x.com/VicOladipo/status/1707113910342467608?s=20

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Christmas at my house @Dame_Lillard
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Losing Jrue is Big. That’s all imma say
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A Dame/ GA pick and roll is only supposed to happen in All Star Games
@Johnhenson31
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Some hilarious and some serious.
With all of that, I only agree with Patrick Beverley. As a defensive player fan, I am always keen to those who plays hard on defense. Jrue Holiday is one of the defensive masters either defending a guard or a big man, it doesn't matter to him. Bucks has their offensive player on Giannis, what they need is a wingman for him and it's not Jrue that should've taken out. It should be Middleton! Ever since he became an All-Star, the fire on him is almost gone.
I can say he dodged a bullet here because Trail Blazers may have not liked him, and the Bucks was forced to trade Jrue.
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September 28, 2023, 06:16:36 PM
Dame to bucks is both good and also not good at the same time. Dame wanted to go to Heat, and he was traded to Bucks, and unlike in world of football, players can't really reject these type of offers which means that if you are traded than you are traded that's it.

In football world, if a team sells a player, the other team still has to convince the player to come, and in examples like Eden Hazard, even if Madrid wanted to sell him, he was injured, but he was getting paid a lot so he could reject any offer that was lower than his salary there, so Madrid was stuck with him until his contract was up. Same doesn't happen here, Dame went to a team he didn't want to, still a good team, but not Heat which was what he wanted.
They're bound to their contracts and that's why they can't do really much. But Heat did try to negotiate with him but his management didn't just agree to what was offered. There's been a lot of noise during that time when the trade idea was given.
That's how really it is in this league unlike what you've said about in Football. They can't do anything even if they don't want to get traded to the team that's gonna be their new home. There have been some players that are even being traded during their game and I think there's a need for amendments on this one in respect to the player. Well, there's always the clause on their contract that terms can change at the management's discretion
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September 28, 2023, 03:35:18 PM
It's a jackpot deal for the Bucks, and I think no one expected this outcome of the Lillard drama. Lillard is probably more than happy with this deal because he will play for a team that can really contend for the title. By the way, it's also worth noting that the Bucks not only got Lillard but also potentially retained Giannis, who earlier said that he might leave the Bucks.
As for Middleton's role, he will most likely be SG in the starting lineup. There is no need for the Bucks to put him on the bench.

Now the Bucks should prove their domination in the early stage of the season because they are now most likely the number one team who will dominate the Eastern Conference. Well, that was a real blockbuster trade, I felt bad for Jrue Holiday but that's just the way it is. he just needs to make sure that he will give his best in playing with another team right now to make them realize they let go of the key player who can truly help them to get back to compete for the NBA championship, he should not let this event bring him down, after all he still got the money.

^ Well, sometimes these types of interactions/happenings can actually cause a lot of mental distress for a lot of players to be honest. But I hope something like that does not happen to him. Yes he did get the money. So I don't think he should be actually sad about anything. Of course, he should be giving his best performance to the team that he goes to. And I believe he is going to do exactly that. I definitely think they are going to be a great team from now on. The other teams in the Eastern Conference should be careful.
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September 28, 2023, 03:19:34 PM
They also signed Usman Garuba as well, not sure if he is the replacement for Dwight Howard or not.


Still young compared to Howard, the Warriors can still develop this player. He may not be very offensive, but in terms of defense, I think he can help. He averaged 4.1 rebounds per game last season with 12 minutes of playing time, which I believe is okay for a backup center. For me, I would just trust the Warriors in their decision. I wouldn't speculate too much. What's important is that they made a good move by trading Poole, which was basically one of the major reasons why they failed in the last playoffs.

Yes, this could be the value of getting a young player like Usman, tall at 2.03, who can play positions at power forward and center for the Warriors. And he can still be developed by the Warriors, although they don't have a history of having a good center in the past. But at least he could learn as compare to Dwight who already is veteran has a lot of mileage in his and could not be used for extending minutes.

For the news about the Bucks, yes, still everyone is talking about it in the social media, others compare it now to Shaq-Kobe of the Lakers during their prime years. But I don't see the comparison though. However, we can give them the benefits of the doubt for now and see how blend and make the Bucks great again for this season.
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September 28, 2023, 02:59:39 PM
Just in… Giannis is getting himself some help. Woj is reporting that the Portland Trailblazers have agreed to trade Damian Lillard to the Milwaukee Bucks!!! I’m a bit shocked at this. Giannis made some waves hinting he was leaving and the Bucks stepped up. This is the best news of the offseason so far!!!

DAME to the Bucks!

Phoenix lost Ayton and got stuck with Grayson Allen… That hurts… Not sure why the Suns did this.

I got a notification alert on my phone yesterday from Fantasy Pros saying that Damian Lillard had been traded to the Milwaukee Bucks and came here to post about it but you had beaten me by like 30 seconds.

Yeah you're right, I think the front office heard those words from Giannis and figured in order to keep him a Buck, they better start spending some bucks (pun-intended) and getting some legit players.  So they went out and got one of the best shooters ever.  Will be a lot of fun to watch now as Championship favorites.
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September 28, 2023, 01:56:34 PM
Dame to bucks is both good and also not good at the same time. Dame wanted to go to Heat, and he was traded to Bucks, and unlike in world of football, players can't really reject these type of offers which means that if you are traded than you are traded that's it.

In football world, if a team sells a player, the other team still has to convince the player to come, and in examples like Eden Hazard, even if Madrid wanted to sell him, he was injured, but he was getting paid a lot so he could reject any offer that was lower than his salary there, so Madrid was stuck with him until his contract was up. Same doesn't happen here, Dame went to a team he didn't want to, still a good team, but not Heat which was what he wanted.
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September 28, 2023, 12:32:28 PM
I think Warriors see the value of Gay instead of hiring Howard, which I think might have a future issue with Green. Both are talkative and I guess
Warriors management wanted to prevent that.

Warriors with the healthy trio plus cp3 and the rest of the squad still have that competitive chance of chasing the ring.

LOL, so you're saying Howard has some kind of attitude problem? Smiley

Well, I guess you're right. The big 3 are still the voices of the team, and I think they have the freedom to do everything they want on the floor because they've already achieved success together. Probably, that's one of the reasons why Poole isn't playing the same way anymore. He might have been frustrated when he wasn't in the starting lineup or didn't have the same level of freedom as the big 3.

Howard can be quite demanding as a player, which is understandable given his past star status. However, he needs to be realistic and understand his current role, especially since he's just joining a team and isn't a franchise player anymore.

If you’ve ever read the rumors about Dwight Howard’s off the court lifestyle choices or seen the clips of him grabbing his teammates’ crotches on the bench during games then you’d have an idea why some guys don’t want him in their locker room.

The story for the Warriors now will be their lineup, as Kerr has said they basically have 6 starters.
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September 28, 2023, 10:46:22 AM
It's a jackpot deal for the Bucks, and I think no one expected this outcome of the Lillard drama. Lillard is probably more than happy with this deal because he will play for a team that can really contend for the title. By the way, it's also worth noting that the Bucks not only got Lillard but also potentially retained Giannis, who earlier said that he might leave the Bucks.
As for Middleton's role, he will most likely be SG in the starting lineup. There is no need for the Bucks to put him on the bench.

Now the Bucks should prove their domination in the early stage of the season because they are now most likely the number one team who will dominate the Eastern Conference. Well, that was a real blockbuster trade, I felt bad for Jrue Holiday but that's just the way it is. he just needs to make sure that he will give his best in playing with another team right now to make them realize they let go of the key player who can truly help them to get back to compete for the NBA championship, he should not let this event bring him down, after all he still got the money.
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September 28, 2023, 10:26:38 AM
I think Warriors see the value of Gay instead of hiring Howard, which I think might have a future issue with Green. Both are talkative and I guess
Warriors management wanted to prevent that.

Warriors with the healthy trio plus cp3 and the rest of the squad still have that competitive chance of chasing the ring.

LOL, so you're saying Howard has some kind of attitude problem? Smiley

Well, I guess you're right. The big 3 are still the voices of the team, and I think they have the freedom to do everything they want on the floor because they've already achieved success together. Probably, that's one of the reasons why Poole isn't playing the same way anymore. He might have been frustrated when he wasn't in the starting lineup or didn't have the same level of freedom as the big 3.

Howard can be quite demanding as a player, which is understandable given his past star status. However, he needs to be realistic and understand his current role, especially since he's just joining a team and isn't a franchise player anymore.
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September 28, 2023, 10:14:52 AM
I just saw this on Facebook.: Rudy Gay has agreed on a one-year deal with the Golden State Warriors.

https://www.facebook.com/NBA.updates4all/posts/pfbid02akbi8ucCxXD5C97zonDD6A9QHZ3WaCBRSsjbfQjKwZ9FoU1BefoxWqHRzD4gQ3ttl

I thought this guy was already done in the NBA but it looks like he still has a contract, unlike Dwight Howard who humorously claimed to be with the Golden State Warriors this season.
Rudy Gay averaged only 5 points per game while playing an average of 15 minutes last season.

This is an interesting signing by the Warriors… I don’t see Rudy Gay giving them many minutes this season, but maybe he could come in and get a few buckets when they need him to. Personally I think Dwight Howard could have helped the team much more and played a larger role, but maybe Gay has been drinking from the fountain of youth.

It was said that Rudy might mentor Kuminga as they have the same position and so maybe with Rudy's vast experience, who knows, maybe a couple of minutes in the game and also he might be hitting those big shots as he is also a good rhythm shooter during his time.

They also signed Usman Garuba as well, not sure if he is the replacement for Dwight Howard or not.

Another as well is Rodney McGruder, a 7th year veteran to added some depth in the back court.

Looking forward if that can be done, if Gay will manage to mentor Kuminga and same with the young star if he will listen
and take the guidance that Gay can provide.

I think Warriors see the value of Gay instead of hiring Howard, which I think might have a future issue with Green. Both are talkative and I guess
Warriors management wanted to prevent that.

Warriors with the healthy trio plus cp3 and the rest of the squad still have that competitive chance of chasing the ring.
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September 28, 2023, 10:12:48 AM
They also signed Usman Garuba as well, not sure if he is the replacement for Dwight Howard or not.


Still young compared to Howard, the Warriors can still develop this player. He may not be very offensive, but in terms of defense, I think he can help. He averaged 4.1 rebounds per game last season with 12 minutes of playing time, which I believe is okay for a backup center. For me, I would just trust the Warriors in their decision. I wouldn't speculate too much. What's important is that they made a good move by trading Poole, which was basically one of the major reasons why they failed in the last playoffs.
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September 28, 2023, 09:22:44 AM
I just saw this on Facebook.: Rudy Gay has agreed on a one-year deal with the Golden State Warriors.

https://www.facebook.com/NBA.updates4all/posts/pfbid02akbi8ucCxXD5C97zonDD6A9QHZ3WaCBRSsjbfQjKwZ9FoU1BefoxWqHRzD4gQ3ttl

I thought this guy was already done in the NBA but it looks like he still has a contract, unlike Dwight Howard who humorously claimed to be with the Golden State Warriors this season.
Rudy Gay averaged only 5 points per game while playing an average of 15 minutes last season.

This is an interesting signing by the Warriors… I don’t see Rudy Gay giving them many minutes this season, but maybe he could come in and get a few buckets when they need him to. Personally I think Dwight Howard could have helped the team much more and played a larger role, but maybe Gay has been drinking from the fountain of youth.

It was said that Rudy might mentor Kuminga as they have the same position and so maybe with Rudy's vast experience, who knows, maybe a couple of minutes in the game and also he might be hitting those big shots as he is also a good rhythm shooter during his time.

They also signed Usman Garuba as well, not sure if he is the replacement for Dwight Howard or not.

Another as well is Rodney McGruder, a 7th year veteran to added some depth in the back court.

Rudy Gay is not done yet; he might be able to achieve his first championship with the Warriors, who knows. His minutes really dropped with the Utah Jazz, but maybe with the Warriors, this will improve. I didn't expect these players to be signed by the Warriors, but maybe they find these players more suitable for the team than Dwight Howard, who probably still thinks his value is worth more than what he is offered.

As for Rodney McGruder, he is still young at 31 years old, but he has mostly played a role player role, as his points per game (PPG) average is below 10 points in all his seasons in the NBA with different teams.
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September 28, 2023, 07:41:56 AM
I just saw this on Facebook.: Rudy Gay has agreed on a one-year deal with the Golden State Warriors.

https://www.facebook.com/NBA.updates4all/posts/pfbid02akbi8ucCxXD5C97zonDD6A9QHZ3WaCBRSsjbfQjKwZ9FoU1BefoxWqHRzD4gQ3ttl

I thought this guy was already done in the NBA but it looks like he still has a contract, unlike Dwight Howard who humorously claimed to be with the Golden State Warriors this season.
Rudy Gay averaged only 5 points per game while playing an average of 15 minutes last season.

This is an interesting signing by the Warriors… I don’t see Rudy Gay giving them many minutes this season, but maybe he could come in and get a few buckets when they need him to. Personally I think Dwight Howard could have helped the team much more and played a larger role, but maybe Gay has been drinking from the fountain of youth.

It was said that Rudy might mentor Kuminga as they have the same position and so maybe with Rudy's vast experience, who knows, maybe a couple of minutes in the game and also he might be hitting those big shots as he is also a good rhythm shooter during his time.

They also signed Usman Garuba as well, not sure if he is the replacement for Dwight Howard or not.

Another as well is Rodney McGruder, a 7th year veteran to added some depth in the back court.
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September 28, 2023, 07:41:22 AM
Finally an end to the Damian Lillard drama.  Cheesy

How it ended up.
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Here are the details of the blockbuster deal:

Bucks receive: Damian Lillard
Blazers receive: Jrue Holiday, Deandre Ayton, Toumani Camara, Bucks' 2029 first-round pick (unprotected), swap rights on Bucks' 2028 and 2030 picks
Suns receive: Jusuf Nurkic, Grayson Allen, Nassir Little and Keon Johnson

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/damian-lillard-trade-bucks-land-all-star-in-stunning-three-team-deal-jrue-holiday-deandre-ayton-also-moved/

I don't know what I will feel about this trade. Did the Milwaukee Bucks really win the trade?
I am now intrigued by what the Portland Trail Blazers are trying to achieve. Now they are filled with guards, Anfernee Simons, Scoot Henderson, and Jrue Holiday. The good part is, that DeAndre Ayton is a big steal for them.
Phoenix Suns on the other hand seems to be adding more on the defensive end since they have three assassins already.

Expecting greatness from the new duo in the East. Now this changes the odds of the outrights in NBA Winner.
The trade for James Harden seems to be getting cloudy.

Shocking news indeed. It's unbelievable. Just when the rumors that the Raptors have the best to offer for Lillard. The rumors were right thought that Lillard will be addressed by Portland this week. The same when Nurkic's name was mentioned as a Phoenix budget meal center plus more bench players instead of the more expensive Ayton. But nobody expected these to be done in a single deal.

I believe the Bucks won the deal. But it's actually a win-win scenario for the 3 teams. Portland has lots of guards now but it can trade some of them in another separate deal. The most important for them is to ship Lillard with the best deal.

It'll be a crazy season then. Hopefully Dame is happy with the deal. He is in a championship team and Giannis and Middleton are not hard to create chemistry. The city is smaller than his plan of relocating to Miami but I guess it's not an issue to him. It'll be a tough assignment for the Bucks' new coach then but we're hoping they'll be fine to make the season more interesting.
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September 28, 2023, 07:21:34 AM
Finally an end to the Damian Lillard drama.  Cheesy

How it ended up.
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Here are the details of the blockbuster deal:

Bucks receive: Damian Lillard
Blazers receive: Jrue Holiday, Deandre Ayton, Toumani Camara, Bucks' 2029 first-round pick (unprotected), swap rights on Bucks' 2028 and 2030 picks
Suns receive: Jusuf Nurkic, Grayson Allen, Nassir Little and Keon Johnson

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/damian-lillard-trade-bucks-land-all-star-in-stunning-three-team-deal-jrue-holiday-deandre-ayton-also-moved/

I don't know what I will feel about this trade. Did the Milwaukee Bucks really win the trade?
I am now intrigued by what the Portland Trail Blazers are trying to achieve. Now they are filled with guards, Anfernee Simons, Scoot Henderson, and Jrue Holiday. The good part is, that DeAndre Ayton is a big steal for them.
Phoenix Suns on the other hand seems to be adding more on the defensive end since they have three assassins already.

Expecting greatness from the new duo in the East. Now this changes the odds of the outrights in NBA Winner.
The trade for James Harden seems to be getting cloudy.
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September 28, 2023, 06:37:23 AM
Just in… Giannis is getting himself some help. Woj is reporting that the Portland Trailblazers have agreed to trade Damian Lillard to the Milwaukee Bucks!!! I’m a bit shocked at this. Giannis made some waves hinting he was leaving and the Bucks stepped up. This is the best news of the offseason so far!!!

DAME to the Bucks!

Phoenix lost Ayton and got stuck with Grayson Allen… That hurts… Not sure why the Suns did this.

Yeah, I was surprised to see Ayton's name to be included on that trade, although it's forthcoming as seasons ago when Ayton's didn't get a rookie max contract. But in return, Jusuf Nurkic, Grayson Allen, Nassir Little and Keon Johnson goes to Phoenix.

And Bucks losing Jrue Holiday? I think there were rumors as well with him. So for me I'm not also surprised that his name was included in the trade. So Dame from West to East, going to be a great season as we will see how this will translate for Giannis, specially he said that he wanted to change more ring and become a winner and a champion.

As far as Jrue Holiday is concerned, the Blazers are already saying they want to immediately deal him away. This doesn’t make much sense to me considering I think he would fill a need for Phoenix as a point guard now that Chris Paul is gone. I guess we’ll have to see what Phoenix does next but this deal seems like a lot of missed opportunities for the Suns to me.

I also read as well that Jrue will be traded to Boston? It's not yet official though, but I guess Nurkic might be the right fit for the Suns in exchange of Ayton. Perhaps Nurkic doesn't have the mentality of Ayton and could take constructive criticism.

But I like what Charles Barkley said though, maybe the Suns really just wanted to get rid of Ayton and so they see this opportunity and just like that, he is gone from the Suns roster and they have a new center in Nurkic.
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September 28, 2023, 06:28:21 AM
Here's the link of the full details:
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/38505763/sources-blazers-trading-damian-lillard-bucks-3-team-deal

Well, many surprised with this trade. Many are hoping that the Heat will be the one to get him. Just a few days ago, the Raptors are the frontrunner on this trade, and now we saw the Bucks working in the dark, calling the Blazers GM, then making a trade. I already know that the Suns will be the third team that's involved with this trade, but I didn't expect that the Bucks will be the one who will get him.

On the flipside, Lillard already stated that he will not play with other team except the Heat. With Giannis playing alongside with him, I hope that this mindset of him will change. The Bucks are in a win-now situation because they're afraid that Giannis might leave the team if they will not compete for the title this upcoming season, so this move will motivate Giannis to stay with the team now that he's with another all-star already in Lillard. The question is, what will be the role of Middleton now? Will Dame be the PG of the team while Middleton will be the SG? Or Middleton will become a bench player.


It's a jackpot deal for the Bucks, and I think no one expected this outcome of the Lillard drama. Lillard is probably more than happy with this deal because he will play for a team that can really contend for the title. By the way, it's also worth noting that the Bucks not only got Lillard but also potentially retained Giannis, who earlier said that he might leave the Bucks.
As for Middleton's role, he will most likely be SG in the starting lineup. There is no need for the Bucks to put him on the bench.

Big news! No one saw it coming. The Bucks just surprised us, and they made the right move that could surely keep Giannis if they win a championship. We now have a big 3, all currently in their prime. Just imagine how big of a threat they are on the outside for Lillard and Middleton, both of whom are high-percentage 3-point shooters. Lillard is also unpredictable as he can attack the paint, which would help lessen the burden on Giannis.

With this news, the NBA Future odds have been adjusted, and the Bucks have now become the top favorites to win.

https://www.vegasinsider.com/nba/odds/futures/
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