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Anything above +1000 is already a value for me.

Based on the odds shared by @inthelongrun, I would easily go with the teams that have already proven themselves in the playoffs. With that said, I'm picking the following teams:

@Warriors
@Lakers
@Clippers (I still have faith in Leonard).

Clippers just don't impress me with Kawhi and Leonard always sitting out or injured. Yes, the new rule should change that up a little, but then you still have Westbrook who can play good but has a lot of bad moments.

You should look up the odds on the Spurs. They tanked and are prob a way better team then what we saw last year. They wanted that lottery pick.

Ya, I think that the Clippers already showed they don’t have what it takes. Paul George and Kawhi isn’t going to get it done. I think the obvious is the Bucks to win it all, but the Suns might surprise some folks as well. Durant and Booker looked pretty good together and with Beal in the mix that offense could be Warrior-like with better athleticism.

Yes, I think the combination of Kawhi and George are really that bad, I mean they didn't have a season wherein both are healthy. They got to the playoffs, but that's it, they always fail in the first or second round.

We have seen Durant and Booker and they look pretty good as compare to the Clippers. It's that the combination was not ripe because it was kinda late last season when they join. Lakers seems to be maturing as they keep their core from last season plus good acquisition.

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Quote from: yahoo62278 on September 30, 2023, 01:39:04 PM

Quote from: stadus on September 30, 2023, 09:14:24 AM

Anything above +1000 is already a value for me.

Based on the odds shared by @inthelongrun, I would easily go with the teams that have already proven themselves in the playoffs. With that said, I'm picking the following teams:

@Warriors
@Lakers
@Clippers (I still have faith in Leonard).

Clippers just don't impress me with Kawhi and Leonard always sitting out or injured. Yes, the new rule should change that up a little, but then you still have Westbrook who can play good but has a lot of bad moments.

You should look up the odds on the Spurs. They tanked and are prob a way better team then what we saw last year. They wanted that lottery pick.

Ya, I think that the Clippers already showed they don’t have what it takes. Paul George and Kawhi isn’t going to get it done. I think the obvious is the Bucks to win it all, but the Suns might surprise some folks as well. Durant and Booker looked pretty good together and with Beal in the mix that offense could be Warrior-like with better athleticism.

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Quote from: stadus on September 30, 2023, 09:14:24 AM

Anything above +1000 is already a value for me.

Based on the odds shared by @inthelongrun, I would easily go with the teams that have already proven themselves in the playoffs. With that said, I'm picking the following teams:

@Warriors
@Lakers
@Clippers (I still have faith in Leonard).

Clippers just don't impress me with Kawhi and Leonard always sitting out or injured. Yes, the new rule should change that up a little, but then you still have Westbrook who can play good but has a lot of bad moments.

You should look up the odds on the Spurs. They tanked and are prob a way better team then what we saw last year. They wanted that lottery pick.

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I don't think it is going to be like Lillard going into another team and becoming the captain/leader quickly. He will have to perform well for a certain period of time and prove himself that he is worth being the leader. I think that's when he should be able to get the leadership of the team. One thing is certain that if he actually earns his place as the leader, he is actually going to appreciate it. If it is given to him for free, he is not going to appreciate it at all.

Giannis should actually feel great that Lillard is joining the team. As far as I said, the player who will prove himself he is going to get the leadership. It should mean that the other player has to improve.

Giannis will be the leader of that team without a doubt, he has been there for a long time, but we have seen even harder positions when Kevin Durant went to an already great team and managed to make a position for himself there, didn't had to be a leader, he was their FMVP and they won, and as long as you win, that's all that matters.

Maybe he left after a while, but not before getting 2 titles with them. So Dame could just do what he should be doing, which is playmaking and scoring, he will be the one with the ball, and will give Giannis what he wants for all these years, an amazing shooter. Giannis can't shoot himself, but if Dame is there, and Middleton has been there, it means they have the spacing Giannis needs.

Yes I also think like that. In this way the team is going to be more effective. Of course that came is going to be better when there is not going to be any bad intention in the mind of any player.

Competition is always going to be there in any game. And I hope that it is going to be a healthy competition between the players. I hope the players will compete against each other to make themselves better than the other. Not to be a bad teammate and not do what the team needs. Individual players are less important compared to the team.

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Quote from: laurenB7742 on September 30, 2023, 07:12:26 AM

I don't think it is going to be like Lillard going into another team and becoming the captain/leader quickly. He will have to perform well for a certain period of time and prove himself that he is worth being the leader. I think that's when he should be able to get the leadership of the team. One thing is certain that if he actually earns his place as the leader, he is actually going to appreciate it. If it is given to him for free, he is not going to appreciate it at all.

Giannis should actually feel great that Lillard is joining the team. As far as I said, the player who will prove himself he is going to get the leadership. It should mean that the other player has to improve.

Giannis will be the leader of that team without a doubt, he has been there for a long time, but we have seen even harder positions when Kevin Durant went to an already great team and managed to make a position for himself there, didn't had to be a leader, he was their FMVP and they won, and as long as you win, that's all that matters.

Maybe he left after a while, but not before getting 2 titles with them. So Dame could just do what he should be doing, which is playmaking and scoring, he will be the one with the ball, and will give Giannis what he wants for all these years, an amazing shooter. Giannis can't shoot himself, but if Dame is there, and Middleton has been there, it means they have the spacing Giannis needs.

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Anything above +1000 is already a value for me.

Based on the odds shared by @inthelongrun, I would easily go with the teams that have already proven themselves in the playoffs. With that said, I'm picking the following teams:

@Warriors
@Lakers
@Clippers (I still have faith in Leonard).

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@inthelongrun, Lakers at 13? I think I've found a gem in the NBA futures.

Well, it's understandable why the Bucks are now listed as heavy favorites to win a championship because of Lillard. Maybe the superstar will be able to help improve the system, but I have a feeling that their defense is going to suffer. Holiday is a good defender, just can't guard a player like Jimmy Butler, but with the same size as him, like Curry, probably he is very effective.

This is a gamble made by the Bucks, but we cannot blame them as they are very desperate to keep Giannis, and the only way to do that is to make their team look good.

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Quote from: AHOYBRAUSE on September 29, 2023, 10:22:23 AM

100% no problem.
Giannis and the whole NBA know this is Giannis's team.
Dame also knows that and won't make any drama to maybe change that. All he cares about right now is winning, so does Giannis.
They have 1 goal in mind and will do everything they can to achieve that. Fighting to e the number one option or whatever is not on their mind, I am certain of that.

Both can feed of each other. Before they both had the whole attention of the opposite team. Playing together now opens up mor freedom on the court to creat for them.

And the other good thing here is that Damian Lillard can carry them if Giannis will be injured and vice versa. We saw how weak the Milwaukee Bucks are offensively without Giannis on the floor either a threat or he will be the one scoring on his own. It is a big part of their system that the ball will end up to him most of the time. Now, it will be different. They have options. If Giannis decides to sit then Lillard can take over and do his thing.

I like what Giannis said when he was interviewed about the trade.

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It’s a bittersweet day for the city of Milwaukee,” Antetokounmpo told Chris Haynes. “You get Dame, who is a great player, but you lose a great guy. Jrue took us to the promised land. I’m 10 years in now. I know it’s a business. At the end of the day, Jrue will always be my brother for life. He’s one of the best human beings I’ve been around.

“But we’ve got to focus on the goal to win the championship. Dame wants this. He’s hungry to win, and he’s going to push us. I’m very happy to have him on our team.”

https://www.si.com/nba/2023/09/29/giannis-antetokounmpo-damian-lillard-jrue-holiday-breaks-silence-bucks-trade
I hope he will not forget that truth. Jrue Holiday is one of the key players in why they received their first championship. And he was also the one who made the promise of Giannis to the Milwaukee fans to materialize into a fact. Jrue will be missed and I hope Trail Blazers will not focus on their other guards and use Jrue as their main playmaker.

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Quote from: AHOYBRAUSE on September 29, 2023, 10:22:23 AM

100% no problem.
Giannis and the whole NBA know this is Giannis's team.
Dame also knows that and won't make any drama to maybe change that. All he cares about right now is winning, so does Giannis.
They have 1 goal in mind and will do everything they can to achieve that. Fighting to e the number one option or whatever is not on their mind, I am certain of that.

Both can feed of each other. Before they both had the whole attention of the opposite team. Playing together now opens up mor freedom on the court to creat for them.

I wouldn't be so sure about that. Lillard has been the leader of the Blazers for most of his career, and I think he's going to try to become the leader of the Bucks as well, thereby changing Giannis' role on the team. Of course, they both want to win a championship, but in order to do that, they should have a great understanding on the court and be willing to give in to each other to achieve a good team result.

But Lillard should understand that he is the one moving to a new team, so he can't just be the leader in a snap, otherwise if he wanted to, then there could be some friction early and it might not bring good chemistry and harmony to the team. For sure he knows that, he is already considered a veteran and he has seen a lot of high caliber players joining other superstars and so he should be learning thru that.

As far as for Giannis, for sure he his not going to be threaten when Lillard join the Bucks as he knows his role too in the team. On the other hand, the Bucks team will be very happy to see and learning from Dame and feels what Dame time is all about.

I don't think it is going to be like Lillard going into another team and becoming the captain/leader quickly. He will have to perform well for a certain period of time and prove himself that he is worth being the leader. I think that's when he should be able to get the leadership of the team. One thing is certain that if he actually earns his place as the leader, he is actually going to appreciate it. If it is given to him for free, he is not going to appreciate it at all.

Giannis should actually feel great that Lillard is joining the team. As far as I said, the player who will prove himself he is going to get the leadership. It should mean that the other player has to improve.

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Quote from: AHOYBRAUSE on September 29, 2023, 10:22:23 AM

100% no problem.
Giannis and the whole NBA know this is Giannis's team.
Dame also knows that and won't make any drama to maybe change that. All he cares about right now is winning, so does Giannis.
They have 1 goal in mind and will do everything they can to achieve that. Fighting to e the number one option or whatever is not on their mind, I am certain of that.

Both can feed of each other. Before they both had the whole attention of the opposite team. Playing together now opens up mor freedom on the court to creat for them.

I wouldn't be so sure about that. Lillard has been the leader of the Blazers for most of his career, and I think he's going to try to become the leader of the Bucks as well, thereby changing Giannis' role on the team. Of course, they both want to win a championship, but in order to do that, they should have a great understanding on the court and be willing to give in to each other to achieve a good team result.

But Lillard should understand that he is the one moving to a new team, so he can't just be the leader in a snap, otherwise if he wanted to, then there could be some friction early and it might not bring good chemistry and harmony to the team. For sure he knows that, he is already considered a veteran and he has seen a lot of high caliber players joining other superstars and so he should be learning thru that.

As far as for Giannis, for sure he his not going to be threaten when Lillard join the Bucks as he knows his role too in the team. On the other hand, the Bucks team will be very happy to see and learning from Dame and feels what Dame time is all about.

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I also wanted to see good chemistry between Giannis and Lilard.

Not that fast, but they need to develop that trust between them. Both are alphas which one of them needs to step down and give
the leadership, I'm aiming to see characteristic of aiming as one and not to fall down with who's much better among the two, a KD
and Curry's respecting each other type of leadership.

If they can create that 1-2 punch between Dame and the Freak, that's a tough offensive attack that Bucks can lean on.

They probably not expecting it as well to be playing with one another. But that's already there and they have to embrace both of them to be in the same team.

We're all waiting for the good chemistry that shall be built between both of them since Giannis wants to win another title again and this could be the way that Lillard is going to have.

We have to see it first on how this tandem of theirs are going to make, many of us think the same that they're not going to do well. But, they will be both in the same practice and soon to be in the same court on the regular season.

I expect both Giannis and Lillard to have good chemistry. Both are alphas in their different teams but both are not ball hogs and are team first type of players so they should go along just like KD and Curry before.

So it is my first time to take a look at the current odds. The hype is really strong on the Milwaukee Bucks to crown this season. Personally, I still pick the Denver Nuggets as the overall favorites then the Bucks while the Suns and Celtics are close next. Very interesting as the West and East both have 2 of the favorite teams to win.

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Quote from: AHOYBRAUSE on September 29, 2023, 10:22:23 AM

100% no problem.
Giannis and the whole NBA know this is Giannis's team.
Dame also knows that and won't make any drama to maybe change that. All he cares about right now is winning, so does Giannis.
They have 1 goal in mind and will do everything they can to achieve that. Fighting to e the number one option or whatever is not on their mind, I am certain of that.

Both can feed of each other. Before they both had the whole attention of the opposite team. Playing together now opens up mor freedom on the court to creat for them.

I wouldn't be so sure about that. Lillard has been the leader of the Blazers for most of his career, and I think he's going to try to become the leader of the Bucks as well, thereby changing Giannis' role on the team. Of course, they both want to win a championship, but in order to do that, they should have a great understanding on the court and be willing to give in to each other to achieve a good team result.

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Lillard, Middleton, Portis, Giannis and Lopez, could this be a potential Bucks starting lineup?

Portis might sit out because they'd become too big if he were included in the starting lineup, which would slow the team down. Additionally, Portis is a great player, so it would be nice to see him in the second unit. You can check out this article that discusses the potential lineup.

https://ftw.usatoday.com/lists/bucks-starting-lineup-damian-lillard-trade-giannis-brook-lopez

POINT GUARD: Damian Lillard
SHOOTING GUARD: Khris Middleton
SMALL FORWARD: Jae Crowder
POWER FORWARD: Giannis Antetokounmpo
CENTER: Brook Lopez

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Looking from this perspective, this is true, Portis is a tall player and would slow down the entire team, but depending on the situation of the game, when Crowder or Antetokounmpo goes to rest, Portis could come in to temporarily replace them.
Well, I believe there are several different combinations that the Bucks can make with this new team, especially with Lillard on the squad!

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Pat could be a good back court duo with Lillard as he can shoot 3s and can score more than Jae.

That's just probably your personal opinion, but statistics don't lie as Jae Crowder shoots better than Pat Connaughton.

Please refer their respective stats.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/connapa01.html
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/crowdja01.html

Jae is 43.6% while Pat is 33.9%, that's their last season's average, and if you look closely on the stats, Jae's percentage has improve significantly, which is opposite to what happen with Pat.

Yeah my personal opinion, you are correct and thank you for bringing that stats up.
However, stats are a different side of story and It's essential for individual development of a player and that doesn't necessarily mean it could contribute to lead the team to a win.
Jae could have lesser fg attempts than Pat resulting to that figure, but as far as we are talking about PPG, Pat is a bit above than Jae, that's why I said Pat could score more than Jae.
We can't deny that Pat has been an absolutely amazing piece for the Bucks success. The very reason why he got the three-year $28.2 million dollar contract after the 2021–2022 season. So IMO, Pat has developed a good chemistry to the team already that he's confident to make his own play and create his own shot.
Nevertheless, they are both amazing player. Now, it's up to the coaching staff how they will asses their starting five.

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Quote from: FanEagle on September 29, 2023, 04:08:30 PM

Considering Murray/Jokic PNR play ended up with a finals and a title, I am sure that one with Dame and Giannis must be better. However, now is the time for the coaches to sit down and watch every single Nuggets game ever and see if they can do the same or not, that should be the most important part.

I know that they can't do "exactly" the same thing, but between studying them and any other PNR play they could find, I am sure that they are going to dominate that play. They need to make it as good as they possibly could in order to abuse that system. Dame can get in or shoot, Giannis can roll, so his defender can't left him be, but if they switch then Giannis can cook, it is the theoretical unstoppable duo to play.

Yes, if they can work it out and established that bonds, it will be difficult to any defender if switch happen that quick sure
basket for Giannis, knowing how hard he attacks the basket.

Still early and we need to wait for them to start getting that connection, with the addition of Dame
to the squad. We will see more on pressure outside.

Both Middleton and Dame will give Giannis space once he executes the one on one, since both stars
have that threat outside.

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Quote from: FanEagle on September 29, 2023, 04:08:30 PM

Considering Murray/Jokic PNR play ended up with a finals and a title, I am sure that one with Dame and Giannis must be better. However, now is the time for the coaches to sit down and watch every single Nuggets game ever and see if they can do the same or not, that should be the most important part.

I know that they can't do "exactly" the same thing, but between studying them and any other PNR play they could find, I am sure that they are going to dominate that play. They need to make it as good as they possibly could in order to abuse that system. Dame can get in or shoot, Giannis can roll, so his defender can't left him be, but if they switch then Giannis can cook, it is the theoretical unstoppable duo to play.

I don't think they are gonna be a pnr team, Dame will help clear lanes for Giannis. Giannis is much more of a slasher than jokic. Also as an elite passer pnr works for jokic. Going to be fun to see that team on the floor together. Only about a week away from official practice starting can't wait to finally watch knick basketball again.

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Considering Murray/Jokic PNR play ended up with a finals and a title, I am sure that one with Dame and Giannis must be better. However, now is the time for the coaches to sit down and watch every single Nuggets game ever and see if they can do the same or not, that should be the most important part.

I know that they can't do "exactly" the same thing, but between studying them and any other PNR play they could find, I am sure that they are going to dominate that play. They need to make it as good as they possibly could in order to abuse that system. Dame can get in or shoot, Giannis can roll, so his defender can't left him be, but if they switch then Giannis can cook, it is the theoretical unstoppable duo to play.

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It's good though that Giannis blurted out to the media on what he want to do or what he needs. And so the Bucks responded with getting Lillard for Giannis and for sure every Buck fan are very happy on the development. At least Giannis will have every reason to stay with Milwaukee and wiling to work out with Dame and win more championships.

Very smart move by Giannis, and he was very honest with the management. Even if that trade did not happen, the outcome of the season is still a big factor affecting Giannis' decision. For now, the hype is very high, but we shouldn't be too complacent, as not all superstars who play with each other create great chemistry. It's undeniable that they have the talent already, but chemistry is still in question. Who will be the main man? Will it be Lillard or still Giannis?

Yes, it could be like Giannis telling it to the management what he wants, without telling to them directly. As he just spoke it to several podcasts and he reiterate it over and over again. And for sure the Management have heard it already and maybe even before that, they could have been looking for some great players in the trade block to get in order to satisfy Giannis.

As for the main man, it doesn't matter though, for sure Lillard knows that this is Giannis team. The most important thing is that they could join up and cooperate which each other as this could be the closest that Lillard could be a NBA champion and then Giannis and the Bucks could be the next team to established a dynasty with them teaming up. Maybe one or two ring will be good enough for the both of them.

I believe Lillard does not have the same characteristics as LeBron James and Kyrie Irving. For me, I believe he is a humble player like Curry. If Lillard is more effective as the team captain, I think Giannis would be okay with that. I heard his interview before; he just wants to win a championship, as individually, he is already fulfilled. This is the first time the Bucks are joined by a legit superstar. By saying that, I mean a player who led his previous team before he joined, and that is Lillard, as he was the main man in Portland for years.

Therefore, this is a challenging situation for both, as the fans are hyping it up, expecting they'll be a championship contender team.

I also wanted to see good chemistry between Giannis and Lilard.

Not that fast, but they need to develop that trust between them. Both are alphas which one of them needs to step down and give
the leadership, I'm aiming to see characteristic of aiming as one and not to fall down with who's much better among the two, a KD
and Curry's respecting each other type of leadership.

If they can create that 1-2 punch between Dame and the Freak, that's a tough offensive attack that Bucks can lean on.

You're right they are both alphas, but that being said they are two different players with very different skill sets. Lillard is an all time great shooter, and Giannis is an all time great /very tall all around game great..so I don't see them having too much trouble meshing. Giannis knows what Lillard brings to the table, and you can bet that ownership and management spoke with Giannis about the trade before it went down. It's important he was on board.

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Quote from: carlisle1 on September 29, 2023, 01:30:44 PM

I also wanted to see good chemistry between Giannis and Lilard.

Not that fast, but they need to develop that trust between them. Both are alphas which one of them needs to step down and give
the leadership, I'm aiming to see characteristic of aiming as one and not to fall down with who's much better among the two, a KD
and Curry's respecting each other type of leadership.

If they can create that 1-2 punch between Dame and the Freak, that's a tough offensive attack that Bucks can lean on.

They probably not expecting it as well to be playing with one another. But that's already there and they have to embrace both of them to be in the same team.

We're all waiting for the good chemistry that shall be built between both of them since Giannis wants to win another title again and this could be the way that Lillard is going to have.

We have to see it first on how this tandem of theirs are going to make, many of us think the same that they're not going to do well. But, they will be both in the same practice and soon to be in the same court on the regular season.

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It's good though that Giannis blurted out to the media on what he want to do or what he needs. And so the Bucks responded with getting Lillard for Giannis and for sure every Buck fan are very happy on the development. At least Giannis will have every reason to stay with Milwaukee and wiling to work out with Dame and win more championships.

Very smart move by Giannis, and he was very honest with the management. Even if that trade did not happen, the outcome of the season is still a big factor affecting Giannis' decision. For now, the hype is very high, but we shouldn't be too complacent, as not all superstars who play with each other create great chemistry. It's undeniable that they have the talent already, but chemistry is still in question. Who will be the main man? Will it be Lillard or still Giannis?

Yes, it could be like Giannis telling it to the management what he wants, without telling to them directly. As he just spoke it to several podcasts and he reiterate it over and over again. And for sure the Management have heard it already and maybe even before that, they could have been looking for some great players in the trade block to get in order to satisfy Giannis.

As for the main man, it doesn't matter though, for sure Lillard knows that this is Giannis team. The most important thing is that they could join up and cooperate which each other as this could be the closest that Lillard could be a NBA champion and then Giannis and the Bucks could be the next team to established a dynasty with them teaming up. Maybe one or two ring will be good enough for the both of them.

I believe Lillard does not have the same characteristics as LeBron James and Kyrie Irving. For me, I believe he is a humble player like Curry. If Lillard is more effective as the team captain, I think Giannis would be okay with that. I heard his interview before; he just wants to win a championship, as individually, he is already fulfilled. This is the first time the Bucks are joined by a legit superstar. By saying that, I mean a player who led his previous team before he joined, and that is Lillard, as he was the main man in Portland for years.

Therefore, this is a challenging situation for both, as the fans are hyping it up, expecting they'll be a championship contender team.

I also wanted to see good chemistry between Giannis and Lilard.

Not that fast, but they need to develop that trust between them. Both are alphas which one of them needs to step down and give
the leadership, I'm aiming to see characteristic of aiming as one and not to fall down with who's much better among the two, a KD
and Curry's respecting each other type of leadership.

If they can create that 1-2 punch between Dame and the Freak, that's a tough offensive attack that Bucks can lean on.

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