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October 02, 2023, 02:24:44 PM
James Harden skipped media day… The 76ers are finding themselves in quite a bind. Will Harden sit out the season? I can’t recall a playing having done that before over contract disputes. Maybe Pippen with his surgery right before the season…


^ I don't know. But the indications that we are currently getting definitely do not suggest anything positive in my opinion. I don't know if he is going to sit out the season or not. I hope he will not do that. But at the same time, he is definitely not happy with the situation. Is it just me or does anyone else think that players right now are getting a little too cocky? As you said, we have not seen something like this happen before. At least I have never seen anything like this happening. Let's see what happens.
My thoughts exactly. Players are getting more and more ridiculous every year. Harden is unfortunately quite spoiled in these issues and he is the one being unreasonable. It is just too much. What kind of legacy he can left with this career. Consistency is also one of the key aspects of a super star. I don't think he has good consistency at all. I find his talents and style quite good but his attitude is terrible. Such a waste of talent. He could be one of the most important stars of the league but just because these drama, his career will probably not be remembered fondly.
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October 02, 2023, 02:12:30 PM
James Harden skipped media day… The 76ers are finding themselves in quite a bind. Will Harden sit out the season? I can’t recall a playing having done that before over contract disputes. Maybe Pippen with his surgery right before the season…


^ I don't know. But the indications that we are currently getting definitely do not suggest anything positive in my opinion. I don't know if he is going to sit out the season or not. I hope he will not do that. But at the same time, he is definitely not happy with the situation. Is it just me or does anyone else think that players right now are getting a little too cocky? As you said, we have not seen something like this happen before. At least I have never seen anything like this happening. Let's see what happens.
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October 02, 2023, 11:28:33 AM
James Harden skipped media day… The 76ers are finding themselves in quite a bind. Will Harden sit out the season? I can’t recall a playing having done that before over contract disputes. Maybe Pippen with his surgery right before the season…

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MrBeast sponsoring the Charlotte Hornets is wild…
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October 02, 2023, 09:13:55 AM

Could be better if he will retire already. He has one heck of a career during his prime years with the Clippers. But he is also a case wherein a injury can ruin someone's career. He was a high flyer during his prime and one of the best dunkers we have seen, he is very athletic when he started his career. Unfortunately, it was just pure show during the Clippers with him and CP3 and a prime DJordan. Wasn't enough to be in the finals in the West.

He will always be remembered as one of the great dunkers in NBA history because of those explosive dunks and posterizers he made during his prime and to consider retiring this year is not a bad idea. if only injury hadn't struck him in his early NBA career, he could become a threat and probably brought the Clippers to the NBA finals and competed for the championship but they were always left behind and lost in the NBA playoffs even with CP3 with them. nevertheless, if he is still healthy this season, he could be a big help for Celtics but I guess that's not the case anymore.

I honestly do not understand why there are many NBA superstars that continue to play even in their past prime and even if they are already in their late 30s. They were worth millions of dollars in the past and now they are getting minimum salaries that are actually peanuts from their previous contracts. I doubt they are financially unstable but it'll be too sad if they end up in bad financial situations reason why they continue to play.

Maybe they can play in other leagues with less pressure if they enjoy it. At least in the case of Dwight Howard in Taiwan, he was really given the playing time unlike sitting in the bench. But in the NBA, it's not like you're only on the bench two or three times a week. In the NBA it's like only 1 to 3 days of rest per week since even if they are not traveling for hours or have homecourt games, they need to attend regular team practice and team events.
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October 02, 2023, 07:23:36 AM
I don't know why this surprised you since rumors of Blazers trading Jrue has started right after the Dame trade and Celtics has been mentioned as top destination mainly because of his defensive abilities.
I think what surprised me the most was Robert Williams III being traded considering how good he played last year. I thought he was going to be part of the Celtics team wearing a green jersey for a long time in his career since it's hard to find a center who can play like him, especially on the defensive end. It looks like general manager Brad Stevens is aiming for the "win now" motto. Their roster is probably the best one today when we talk about back-court players. JB and JT can save their energy if they have a defensive guard in their team, not that I am underestimating Marcus Smart when he was there.
I actually predicted that it would be the Bulls who would try to get Jrue Holiday since they are the ones who are desperately looking for a guard who can make plays.
Anyway, the trade is done so there's no use thinking about it anymore. But that's a sweet offer by the Celtics that the Trail Blazers would have a hard time declining. Cheesy

I think the decision was just right as they had already acquired a versatile big which is Porzingis. I looked at their current roster  and I can see that they have Centers that could fill the gap, so I think the management are ensuring to improve their offense, as more offensive threat from the team is more effective.

https://www.espn.ph/nba/team/roster/_/name/bos/boston-celtics

Here; the centers are

Neemias Queta
Kristaps Porzingis
Al Horford.

I think they are still loaded.
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October 02, 2023, 07:12:47 AM
I don't know why this surprised you since rumors of Blazers trading Jrue has started right after the Dame trade and Celtics has been mentioned as top destination mainly because of his defensive abilities.
I think what surprised me the most was Robert Williams III being traded considering how good he played last year. I thought he was going to be part of the Celtics team wearing a green jersey for a long time in his career since it's hard to find a center who can play like him, especially on the defensive end. It looks like general manager Brad Stevens is aiming for the "win now" motto. Their roster is probably the best one today when we talk about back-court players. JB and JT can save their energy if they have a defensive guard in their team, not that I am underestimating Marcus Smart when he was there.
I actually predicted that it would be the Bulls who would try to get Jrue Holiday since they are the ones who are desperately looking for a guard who can make plays.
Anyway, the trade is done so there's no use thinking about it anymore. But that's a sweet offer by the Celtics that the Trail Blazers would have a hard time declining. Cheesy
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October 02, 2023, 07:04:40 AM
Wow Boston just landed jrue holiday for a couple picks and so.e bench pieces (I like Robert Williams a lot though).  That's a great pick up from Boston.  Now I need to see the Bucks and Boston play, those games will be fun to watch.

Low key Portland is stacking 2028-20230 first round picks.  If these kids end up good and Blazers are a top team in the west by the end of the decade they are gonna have some serious draft capital to play with.  Great move all around.

Boston management just plain knows what they’re doing when it comes to making trades and signing players. Other than the Gordon Hayward and Kyrie Irving disasters, their record has been phenomenal. This deal puts them back up with the top tier teams in the East. A great pickup for them and a nice side effect to the Lillard trade.

Yeah, they lost Marcus Smart and Rob Williams, but they were able to get Jrue and then KP. So they are still in the top tier of the Eastern conference together with the Bucks. So it's going to be a good fight for the top spot in the East and it will be amazing to see this two fighting it out.

So great move and hopefully it will translate to something like the Celtics rejuvenated this season even if they lost their lead in Marcus Smart. It's just funny though that Miami, the first team that Dame wanted to play has end up nothing. But they have stack up future picks and so as what we have thought, they are in the rebuilding phase for the next 3-5 years.
Heat would like Damian Lillard to go there, but the Bucks made it happen and managed to bring Dame to Milwaukee

Regarding the Celtics, I believe that the team completely rebuilt itself, Willians and Smart left, but on the other hand Jrue and KP went to Boston.
I even believe that the Blazers made an interesting negotiation, Brogdon and Willians are good players and they also acquired draft picks for the next seasons... I believe that the Blazers are thinking about the future and a possible major restructuring of the team in the next years

And the Bucks are still not done with their acquisition as they get Cam Payne from Phoenix with a 1 year deal.

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The Milwaukee Bucks are signing former Sun point guard Cameron Payne to a one-year contract, a story broken by Shams Charania of The Athletic.

https://www.nbcsports.com/nba/news/bucks-sign-point-guard-cameron-payne-to-one-year-contract

And obviously, he will be a back up guard with the Bucks, Lillard will be the primary for sure and then Payne coming to replace him as just what he did with CP3 and him at Phoenix. For sure they are also banking on Cam as he got plenty of experience as well from CP3 as he is the mentor. So let's see how far he can stretch the guard position, maybe contributing around 10 points as average will be good enough for Milwaukee as the bulk of their offense will be Dame and Giannis.
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October 02, 2023, 07:02:15 AM
Wow Boston just landed jrue holiday for a couple picks and so.e bench pieces (I like Robert Williams a lot though).  That's a great pick up from Boston.  Now I need to see the Bucks and Boston play, those games will be fun to watch.


It's great that they landed Jrue Holiday. They needed a player who can step up in clutch moments and also play good defense. Losing Smart is okay because they have Jrue Holiday now. This guy is not only good in defense but can also attack the paint and shoot from outside. He will be a great addition to the team, and Boston will surely benefit from his experience as a champion.

However, losing Malcolm Brogdon and center Rob Williams is significant, especially Rob Williams, who is a good rim protector.

I'm not sure what their plan is here, but getting Holiday required sacrificing a bit of their lineup. Let's see how it goes.
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October 02, 2023, 04:13:12 AM
Wow Boston just landed jrue holiday for a couple picks and so.e bench pieces (I like Robert Williams a lot though).  That's a great pick up from Boston.  Now I need to see the Bucks and Boston play, those games will be fun to watch.

Low key Portland is stacking 2028-20230 first round picks.  If these kids end up good and Blazers are a top team in the west by the end of the decade they are gonna have some serious draft capital to play with.  Great move all around.

Boston management just plain knows what they’re doing when it comes to making trades and signing players. Other than the Gordon Hayward and Kyrie Irving disasters, their record has been phenomenal. This deal puts them back up with the top tier teams in the East. A great pickup for them and a nice side effect to the Lillard trade.
The problem that I see though with the current Celtics roster is their inside defense.
I mean who are their big players right now? Porzingis, and a near-post prime player in Horford? What if Porzingis gets injured, and we know he's an injury-prone player? Who will help them defend the paint? Robert Williams is a great inside defender, and now they traded him alongside with Grant Williams, and Marcus Smart which are their best defenders.

Well, I don't see anything wrong with the trade. It's just that their inside defense is for me a concern. They got Holiday though to stop Dame because we know that the East is now Celtics-Bucks conference, but who will try to stop opponent's big players? I guess let's just see how this will come up. I mean the Warriors manage to win a title even though they don't have a legitimate center in their starting 5, so I guess the Celtics are trying to do the same as well.
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October 02, 2023, 12:31:04 AM
Wow Boston just landed jrue holiday for a couple picks and so.e bench pieces (I like Robert Williams a lot though).  That's a great pick up from Boston.  Now I need to see the Bucks and Boston play, those games will be fun to watch.

Low key Portland is stacking 2028-20230 first round picks.  If these kids end up good and Blazers are a top team in the west by the end of the decade they are gonna have some serious draft capital to play with.  Great move all around.

Boston management just plain knows what they’re doing when it comes to making trades and signing players. Other than the Gordon Hayward and Kyrie Irving disasters, their record has been phenomenal. This deal puts them back up with the top tier teams in the East. A great pickup for them and a nice side effect to the Lillard trade.

Yeah, they lost Marcus Smart and Rob Williams, but they were able to get Jrue and then KP. So they are still in the top tier of the Eastern conference together with the Bucks. So it's going to be a good fight for the top spot in the East and it will be amazing to see this two fighting it out.

So great move and hopefully it will translate to something like the Celtics rejuvenated this season even if they lost their lead in Marcus Smart. It's just funny though that Miami, the first team that Dame wanted to play has end up nothing. But they have stack up future picks and so as what we have thought, they are in the rebuilding phase for the next 3-5 years.
Heat would like Damian Lillard to go there, but the Bucks made it happen and managed to bring Dame to Milwaukee

Regarding the Celtics, I believe that the team completely rebuilt itself, Willians and Smart left, but on the other hand Jrue and KP went to Boston.
I even believe that the Blazers made an interesting negotiation, Brogdon and Willians are good players and they also acquired draft picks for the next seasons... I believe that the Blazers are thinking about the future and a possible major restructuring of the team in the next years
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October 02, 2023, 12:27:57 AM
Wow Boston just landed jrue holiday for a couple picks and so.e bench pieces (I like Robert Williams a lot though).  That's a great pick up from Boston.  Now I need to see the Bucks and Boston play, those games will be fun to watch.

Low key Portland is stacking 2028-20230 first round picks.  If these kids end up good and Blazers are a top team in the west by the end of the decade they are gonna have some serious draft capital to play with.  Great move all around.

Boston management just plain knows what they’re doing when it comes to making trades and signing players. Other than the Gordon Hayward and Kyrie Irving disasters, their record has been phenomenal. This deal puts them back up with the top tier teams in the East. A great pickup for them and a nice side effect to the Lillard trade.

Yeah, they lost Marcus Smart and Rob Williams, but they were able to get Jrue and then KP. So they are still in the top tier of the Eastern conference together with the Bucks. So it's going to be a good fight for the top spot in the East and it will be amazing to see this two fighting it out.

So great move and hopefully it will translate to something like the Celtics rejuvenated this season even if they lost their lead in Marcus Smart. It's just funny though that Miami, the first team that Dame wanted to play has end up nothing. But they have stack up future picks and so as what we have thought, they are in the rebuilding phase for the next 3-5 years.

Yeah, and we know what Jrue can provide a 2-way star who can give out everything for the team,

I like his defense and the adjustments that he can take just to fit himself with the team, playing with young stars like Tatum and Brown,
they have a lot of time to build a good chemistry.

Now that the trade has been done, it's time to start forming a system that needed to be executed and plays that will fit both Jrue and KP
together with both Tatum and Brown, possible to see them in full working together to win a game.
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October 01, 2023, 08:16:30 PM
Wow Boston just landed jrue holiday for a couple picks and so.e bench pieces (I like Robert Williams a lot though).  That's a great pick up from Boston.  Now I need to see the Bucks and Boston play, those games will be fun to watch.
I was shocked. I thought they had enough after the Marcus Smart trade for Kristaps Porzingis.
I don't know why this surprised you since rumors of Blazers trading Jrue has started right after the Dame trade and Celtics has been mentioned as top destination mainly because of his defensive abilities.

Low key Portland is stacking 2028-20230 first round picks.  If these kids end up good and Blazers are a top team in the west by the end of the decade they are gonna have some serious draft capital to play with.  Great move all around.
Well, I think they wouldn't have to wait on those first round picks, having Ayton on them is likely a win already to develop that young core squad. I think Ayton pairing with these rising young talent of Henderson and Sharpe will be fun to watch. Not that optimistic this year but if they could work it out, I feel like they will be a promising team to follow.
I doubt Ayton has what it takes to lead a young team to be honest. I don't know if he had the presence in the locker room but he hasn't displayed enough of leadership qualities on the court while he was with the Suns.
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October 01, 2023, 07:28:17 PM
Wow Boston just landed jrue holiday for a couple picks and so.e bench pieces (I like Robert Williams a lot though).  That's a great pick up from Boston.  Now I need to see the Bucks and Boston play, those games will be fun to watch.

Low key Portland is stacking 2028-20230 first round picks.  If these kids end up good and Blazers are a top team in the west by the end of the decade they are gonna have some serious draft capital to play with.  Great move all around.
I was shocked. I thought they had enough after the Marcus Smart trade for Kristaps Porzingis.
And Woj already had an article about it. That was fast.  Cheesy
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/38538353/sources-celtics-add-jrue-holiday-trade-blazers
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The Blazers are expected to want to keep Williams to pair with new center Deandre Ayton, but Brogdon will likely be part of additional trade talks upon his arrival in Portland, sources said. Absent another trade, Brogdon will start the season with Portland. The Blazers are committed to a young group of guards including No. 3 draft pick Scoot Henderson, 2022 first-round pick Shaedon Sharpe and Anfernee Simons, who signed a $100 million extension last summer.
Like I said in my previous post Trail Blazers is filled with guards so their real plan is to press the reset button and focus on Scoot Henderson and surround him with upcoming stars. I hope they will not be cheap this time. I think this is a good trade for both sides.
Now Boston Celtics are both strong on the offensive and defensive end, especially in their backcourt roster. This is getting scary, and I bet the odds will change again in the East and the Celtics will now be the favorite to win the Eastern Conference.
Two big men who are good at the frontcourt for the Trail Blazers. If they can work out a good chemistry with those guys and Scoot then I bet they can even try a playoff chance this season. Let's just wish Scoot would not be another Damian Lillard who was ignored after asking to add more good roleplayers but I do believe they have a good roster now.

Scoot and Simons for their guards. Shaedon Sharpe and Jerami Grant for their forwards. Ayton or Williams III for the center. I think that's decent or better.
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October 01, 2023, 04:08:30 PM
Low key Portland is stacking 2028-20230 first round picks.  If these kids end up good and Blazers are a top team in the west by the end of the decade they are gonna have some serious draft capital to play with.  Great move all around.
Well, I think they wouldn't have to wait on those first round picks, having Ayton on them is likely a win already to develop that young core squad. I think Ayton pairing with these rising young talent of Henderson and Sharpe will be fun to watch. Not that optimistic this year but if they could work it out, I feel like they will be a promising team to follow.
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October 01, 2023, 02:49:44 PM
Clippers just don't impress me with Kawhi and Leonard always sitting out or injured. Yes, the new rule should change that up a little, but then you still have Westbrook who can play good but has a lot of bad moments.

You should look up the odds on the Spurs. They tanked and are prob a way better team then what we saw last year. They wanted that lottery pick.

Ya, I think that the Clippers already showed they don’t have what it takes. Paul George and Kawhi isn’t going to get it done. I think the obvious is the Bucks to win it all, but the Suns might surprise some folks as well. Durant and Booker looked pretty good together and with Beal in the mix that offense could be Warrior-like with better athleticism.
Yeah, but this is Frank Vogel, I just wish there would be no conflicts as he was known as a defensive coach. He will now handle offensive monsters so he needs to adjust to them and maximize what they can do on the basketball floor, where they are best at.
Frank Vogel will not be the coach for that Suns team and I bet that they are going to have hard time without a doubt. He is famous for overstudying the opponent, like at a point where you do not actually need it. On that 2020 season when Lakers won, they studied like crazy and that is good thing that they won.

However, we need to remember that defense is not what that Suns team will be famous for, and they need to score a lot, they do have great scorers so that should be their point of attack, not defending well. Bucks have way too high odds if you ask me, Dame doesn't make them suddenly championship title contender overnight, Nuggets with 11.00 still looks like the better option to me, they are the title defenders after all.
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October 01, 2023, 02:37:05 PM
Wow Boston just landed jrue holiday for a couple picks and so.e bench pieces (I like Robert Williams a lot though).  That's a great pick up from Boston.  Now I need to see the Bucks and Boston play, those games will be fun to watch.

Low key Portland is stacking 2028-20230 first round picks.  If these kids end up good and Blazers are a top team in the west by the end of the decade they are gonna have some serious draft capital to play with.  Great move all around.

Boston management just plain knows what they’re doing when it comes to making trades and signing players. Other than the Gordon Hayward and Kyrie Irving disasters, their record has been phenomenal. This deal puts them back up with the top tier teams in the East. A great pickup for them and a nice side effect to the Lillard trade.

Yeah, they lost Marcus Smart and Rob Williams, but they were able to get Jrue and then KP. So they are still in the top tier of the Eastern conference together with the Bucks. So it's going to be a good fight for the top spot in the East and it will be amazing to see this two fighting it out.

So great move and hopefully it will translate to something like the Celtics rejuvenated this season even if they lost their lead in Marcus Smart. It's just funny though that Miami, the first team that Dame wanted to play has end up nothing. But they have stack up future picks and so as what we have thought, they are in the rebuilding phase for the next 3-5 years.
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October 01, 2023, 01:16:00 PM
Wow Boston just landed jrue holiday for a couple picks and so.e bench pieces (I like Robert Williams a lot though).  That's a great pick up from Boston.  Now I need to see the Bucks and Boston play, those games will be fun to watch.

Low key Portland is stacking 2028-20230 first round picks.  If these kids end up good and Blazers are a top team in the west by the end of the decade they are gonna have some serious draft capital to play with.  Great move all around.

Boston management just plain knows what they’re doing when it comes to making trades and signing players. Other than the Gordon Hayward and Kyrie Irving disasters, their record has been phenomenal. This deal puts them back up with the top tier teams in the East. A great pickup for them and a nice side effect to the Lillard trade.
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October 01, 2023, 12:48:49 PM
Wow Boston just landed jrue holiday for a couple picks and so.e bench pieces (I like Robert Williams a lot though).  That's a great pick up from Boston.  Now I need to see the Bucks and Boston play, those games will be fun to watch.

Low key Portland is stacking 2028-20230 first round picks.  If these kids end up good and Blazers are a top team in the west by the end of the decade they are gonna have some serious draft capital to play with.  Great move all around.
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October 01, 2023, 09:24:07 AM
I’m seeing reports that Blake Griffin is considering retirement. I thought the last time I saw his name in the news he was working out with the Golden State Warriors to maybe team back up with CP3 for a little bit of Lob City reunion in the Bay. I guess Kerr is deciding that these old guys can’t help the Warriors anymore.

Yes, doesn't make sense that the Warriors are getting a old version of Blake Griffin, it won't help them just like what they saw on Dwight Howard. As for the Celtics, well maybe they think they have value of getting Blake but if he gets injured then what's the used of him?

Could be better if he will retire already. He has one heck of a career during his prime years with the Clippers. But he is also a case wherein a injury can ruin someone's career. He was a high flyer during his prime and one of the best dunkers we have seen, he is very athletic when he started his career. Unfortunately, it was just pure show during the Clippers with him and CP3 and a prime DJordan. Wasn't enough to be in the finals in the West.

He is 34 years old already. And judging by the style that he plays, I think it is easy for him to actually get injured. The thing is, if he does not get injured, he can definitely provide good value to the team still at this age. But if he does get injured, it is not going to be helpful for the team at all. If he is injured, there is literally no use of him. But that's the thing. If he can stay healthy, he will be helpful. And I hope he will stay healthy. At least the team is definitely going to hope that he will not get injured.

Comes the part about what happens if he does stay healthy and out of injury. I think he will be able to contribute to the team pretty decently. Of course, no one is going to expect him to perform as he did in his prime.
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October 01, 2023, 08:48:58 AM
I’m seeing reports that Blake Griffin is considering retirement.

If Griffin ends his career in the NBA, it would be an expected decision, as he's already too far away from his prime based on his stats from last season. However, as far as I know, the Celtics are still interested in re-signing him for one more season. So, I think Griffin should take advantage of this opportunity to earn at least a couple more million dollars.

Yeah, why not grab that opportunity for at least a year and see how it goes for him. Still added bonus for him even if he is not given enough time, maybe his presence as a veteran or a reliever for the PF to sometimes Center might be good enough for him.
Paul is also playing on a championship contender team, so if their teams are good enough to make it to the NBA Finals, one of them will certainly win their first championship. Griffin played 13 MPG last season with the Celtics, but his output was very low with only 4.1 points, and what's notable is his rebounding is not good.

To many lapses on Warriors team and for sure the lacking of height will be there weakness and for this they will be taken advantage by other teams. To many question on their current roster if they could able to go to playoffs since to many teams already know how to counter the small ball line up build up by Warriors.
They know their weakness that's why they sign new players just recently.
https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2023/09/warriors-sign-six-players-including-rudy-gay.html
That's the reason why Griffin consider to retire since he already feels that his numbers are declining so its good to decide that way rather than been rot in bench so that he can still get a decent retirement compare if he still decide to play where maybe he's retirement might get ignored by fans or the teams he played through out of his career.

If he wants to be a champion, then I guess it's not bad if he would accept a small contract and help the Celtics in any way. Veterans could help the team, especially Griffin, who has been in the playoffs so many times already. Just look at what the Heat did with Udonis Haslem; though he isn't playing much, he was still kept by the team because he can help motivate the players.
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