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Quote from: jakelyson on March 06, 2023, 04:00:14 PM

Hopefully, they find a good replacement for him. They are still in for the playoffs, so a good import is really needed for them to move to the next round. Hopefully, they will find someone that has no attitude problem and will follow the instruction of the coach.

Do we have some source where they're getting their replacement or aspiring player that shall be on board for a team? I am sure that it will be the first and foremost concern of the management to find someone who values professionalism and attitude.

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Quote from: blockman on March 06, 2023, 02:19:19 PM

It will be a quick fix for them and if they've proven that he did it intentionally then he can just walk away with the pay that he's got.
I'm really eyeing for the Converge FiberXers to have some momentum and get to the finals and then you know, get the ring.

They are good but I do not think they can get past stronger teams like TNT or San Miguel, especially, now that they have a problem with import. They are a young team, so they have a lot to learn yet. Maybe when they mature more, they will be able to challenge stronger teams in the finals.

Yeah, that's a huge factor but who knows? The standings aren't that far from each other but I guess, I'm just too optimistic about this team. Although they are not the only team that I'm counting on because it's just too exhausting that the majority has got their favorite teams and they're all the same time and time again.

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Quote from: blockman on March 06, 2023, 12:46:51 PM

Quote from: jakelyson on March 06, 2023, 12:27:22 PM

So, this means that he intentionally underperforms in their last game against Ginebra in response to the coach's instructions to share the ball. Very unprofessional response to a valid instruction from the coach.

The dude gotta be forgetting how to remain professional if it was intentional. Anyway, Coach Aldin knows what's best for the team and he won't take those with attitude for sure.
He knows if it's a force play or out of luck but that's it, they'll pay for his remainder based on his contract, and let's wait if there's already someone who's going to replace him.
But I'm sure that if it's coach Aldin that has decided on this one, he's gonna take someone better than him as he's serious about coaching the FiberXers

Hopefully, they find a good replacement for him. They are still in for the playoffs, so a good import is really needed for them to move to the next round. Hopefully, they will find someone that has no attitude problem and will follow the instruction of the coach.

Quote from: blockman on March 06, 2023, 02:19:19 PM

It will be a quick fix for them and if they've proven that he did it intentionally then he can just walk away with the pay that he's got.
I'm really eyeing for the Converge FiberXers to have some momentum and get to the finals and then you know, get the ring.

They are good but I do not think they can get past stronger teams like TNT or San Miguel, especially, now that they have a problem with import. They are a young team, so they have a lot to learn yet. Maybe when they mature more, they will be able to challenge stronger teams in the finals.

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Quote from: Fredomago on March 06, 2023, 01:29:09 PM

Looking forward to good adjustment if they decided to keep the import and let him play to chase for a win.

Seems likely he will be replaced but a damn thing to consider doing it in the middle of the upcoming quarterfinals.

However, if the import will keep his ego, then no reason now to move forward with the team. Taking that coach's advice personally to the point that he will change his gameplay in the actual game is something unprofessional and regardless if the import is good or not, they need to let it go.

Converge is the only independent team that I'm hoping to move forward with this conference but it seems like the last conference, they are again considered a team that can be called an "intro boys" due to some issues and dramas.

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Quote from: Fredomago on March 06, 2023, 03:33:14 PM

Same with you, I'm still hoping that another team outside MVP and SMC will win a title in this league, so far, the closes that I can say is Converge hopefully coach Aldin will resolve this issue with their import and they will find the best way to adjust with the situation, the locals are competitive they just need some lift with the reinforcement to add up.

The chance is still possible, they just need to move forward and keep adjusting to how they will manage to continue being competitive,

looking forward to hear their name as one of the champion, the way the former franchise owner did, speaking about the "Aces"

Actually, there are two on my mind, Rain or Shine and then Converge. While there were rumors about other teams being up for sale, I hope that they'll be having a good succession if ever those rumors tend to be true. They're like 4 teams that might be on sale and will change management.
We're too done watching SMC and MVP teams reaching the finals and just as coach Tab Baldwin said, having 1 import per team is already obsolete. We've seen how EASL teams kicked out SMB and Ginebra. That's why there should really be the adoption of new processes and rules in PBA from offshore leagues like EASL, B League, KBL, and others.

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Quote from: jakelyson on March 06, 2023, 12:27:22 PM

So, this means that he intentionally underperforms in their last game against Ginebra in response to the coach's instructions to share the ball. Very unprofessional response to a valid instruction from the coach.

The dude gotta be forgetting how to remain professional if it was intentional. Anyway, Coach Aldin knows what's best for the team and he won't take those with attitude for sure.
He knows if it's a force play or out of luck but that's it, they'll pay for his remainder based on his contract, and let's wait if there's already someone who's going to replace him.
But I'm sure that if it's coach Aldin that has decided on this one, he's gonna take someone better than him as he's serious about coaching the FiberXers

I will agree to that, coach Aldin will review his past performance and if proven that it was an intentional and he's not willing to adjust to how coach Aldin wants him then replacement will be the next option, They are still in a good position in terms of moving to the next round they just need to fix this if there's something behind.

Looking forward to good adjustment if they decided to keep the import and let him play to chase for a win.

It will be a quick fix for them and if they've proven that he did it intentionally then he can just walk away with the pay that he's got.
I'm really eyeing for the Converge FiberXers to have some momentum and get to the finals and then you know, get the ring.
It's just another team that really has a good combination of players and as well as I'm just really a fan of coach Aldin Ayo because of how he does the coaching. I still remember it when he's announced to be coaching the team.

Same with you, I'm still hoping that another team outside MVP and SMC will win a title in this league, so far, the closes that I can say is Converge hopefully coach Aldin will resolve this issue with their import and they will find the best way to adjust with the situation, the locals are competitive they just need some lift with the reinforcement to add up.

The chance is still possible, they just need to move forward and keep adjusting to how they will manage to continue being competitive,

looking forward to hear their name as one of the champion, the way the former franchise owner did, speaking about the "Aces"

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Quote from: Fredomago on March 06, 2023, 01:29:09 PM

Quote from: blockman on March 06, 2023, 12:46:51 PM

Quote from: jakelyson on March 06, 2023, 12:27:22 PM

So, this means that he intentionally underperforms in their last game against Ginebra in response to the coach's instructions to share the ball. Very unprofessional response to a valid instruction from the coach.

The dude gotta be forgetting how to remain professional if it was intentional. Anyway, Coach Aldin knows what's best for the team and he won't take those with attitude for sure.
He knows if it's a force play or out of luck but that's it, they'll pay for his remainder based on his contract, and let's wait if there's already someone who's going to replace him.
But I'm sure that if it's coach Aldin that has decided on this one, he's gonna take someone better than him as he's serious about coaching the FiberXers

I will agree to that, coach Aldin will review his past performance and if proven that it was an intentional and he's not willing to adjust to how coach Aldin wants him then replacement will be the next option, They are still in a good position in terms of moving to the next round they just need to fix this if there's something behind.

Looking forward to good adjustment if they decided to keep the import and let him play to chase for a win.

It will be a quick fix for them and if they've proven that he did it intentionally then he can just walk away with the pay that he's got.
I'm really eyeing for the Converge FiberXers to have some momentum and get to the finals and then you know, get the ring.
It's just another team that really has a good combination of players and as well as I'm just really a fan of coach Aldin Ayo because of how he does the coaching. I still remember it when he's announced to be coaching the team.

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Quote from: blockman on March 06, 2023, 12:46:51 PM

Quote from: jakelyson on March 06, 2023, 12:27:22 PM

So, this means that he intentionally underperforms in their last game against Ginebra in response to the coach's instructions to share the ball. Very unprofessional response to a valid instruction from the coach.

The dude gotta be forgetting how to remain professional if it was intentional. Anyway, Coach Aldin knows what's best for the team and he won't take those with attitude for sure.
He knows if it's a force play or out of luck but that's it, they'll pay for his remainder based on his contract, and let's wait if there's already someone who's going to replace him.
But I'm sure that if it's coach Aldin that has decided on this one, he's gonna take someone better than him as he's serious about coaching the FiberXers

I will agree to that, coach Aldin will review his past performance and if proven that it was an intentional and he's not willing to adjust to how coach Aldin wants him then replacement will be the next option, They are still in a good position in terms of moving to the next round they just need to fix this if there's something behind.

Looking forward to good adjustment if they decided to keep the import and let him play to chase for a win.

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Quote from: jakelyson on March 06, 2023, 12:27:22 PM

So, this means that he intentionally underperforms in their last game against Ginebra in response to the coach's instructions to share the ball. Very unprofessional response to a valid instruction from the coach.

The dude gotta be forgetting how to remain professional if it was intentional. Anyway, Coach Aldin knows what's best for the team and he won't take those with attitude for sure.
He knows if it's a force play or out of luck but that's it, they'll pay for his remainder based on his contract, and let's wait if there's already someone who's going to replace him.
But I'm sure that if it's coach Aldin that has decided on this one, he's gonna take someone better than him as he's serious about coaching the FiberXers

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Lots of speculations that Converge lose that game on purpose as their import only scored lower compared to its usual in 35 minutes of playing. But looking at the standing, win or loss, I don't see how it will impact the final position of teams.

The courtside reporter also tells during the game that Franklin is always trying to make several hoops last game even if it's hard to attempt and not sure if it's going to be a successful shot. That's what Coach Ayo pointed out and maybe Franklin take it as a big deal.

I don't think so. He had some open shots, but it looks like he wasn't a willing shooter in that game. Though he shot a lot, he knows his outside shots are of high percentage. They were also in a position where the lead of Ginebra had already ballooned, so as an import, he should act and try to come back to win. I'm seeing that there's something wrong with him, or maybe he was ordered not to shoot the ball and let the Kings win.

Just came across this article stating that Converge is letting Jamal Franklin go. They will still pay the remainder of his contract, but they are moving forward to the playoffs without Jamal Franklin. I do not know who will replace him, but it is too near the playoffs, and they may not have the chemistry needed to win a series. Below is the link to the article.

https://www.spin.ph/basketball/pba/pba-ballclub-converge-to-release-import-jamaal-franklin-a2244-20230306

So, this means that he intentionally underperforms in their last game against Ginebra in response to the coach's instructions to share the ball. Very unprofessional response to a valid instruction from the coach.

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Quote from: Ziskinberg on March 06, 2023, 08:07:29 AM

Quote from: goinmerry on March 05, 2023, 06:59:31 PM

Lots of speculations that Converge lose that game on purpose as their import only scored lower compared to its usual in 35 minutes of playing. But looking at the standing, win or loss, I don't see how it will impact the final position of teams.

The courtside reporter also tells during the game that Franklin is always trying to make several hoops last game even if it's hard to attempt and not sure if it's going to be a successful shot. That's what Coach Ayo pointed out and maybe Franklin take it as a big deal.

I don't think so. He had some open shots, but it looks like he wasn't a willing shooter in that game. Though he shot a lot, he knows his outside shots are of high percentage. They were also in a position where the lead of Ginebra had already ballooned, so as an import, he should act and try to come back to win. I'm seeing that there's something wrong with him, or maybe he was ordered not to shoot the ball and let the Kings win.

He's letting his teammates shoot the ball in preparation for the playoffs. He wasn't willing to shoot the ball because he wants his teammates to be involved in the play and let them shoot. It's obvious that on all of their games, Franklin is the one that's taking the shots most of the time. I don't see it as negative thing, but I see it as teamwork.

Even the commentators are saying negative about what Franklin did. As I'm watching it they said that "as an import, that performance is unaccepted". I mean it's a non-bearing game after all. All the time when there's an import, we've always seen these imports taking most of the shots, and some of the locals aren't having an opportunity to score and shoot the ball.

As for me, I don't think as a negative because overall, it's their performance in the playoffs that matters. Currently they are now at the 7th seed. The last game of Magnolia will decide what will be their final standings.

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Quote from: goinmerry on March 05, 2023, 06:59:31 PM

Lots of speculations that Converge lose that game on purpose as their import only scored lower compared to its usual in 35 minutes of playing. But looking at the standing, win or loss, I don't see how it will impact the final position of teams.

The courtside reporter also tells during the game that Franklin is always trying to make several hoops last game even if it's hard to attempt and not sure if it's going to be a successful shot. That's what Coach Ayo pointed out and maybe Franklin take it as a big deal.

I don't think so. He had some open shots, but it looks like he wasn't a willing shooter in that game. Though he shot a lot, he knows his outside shots are of high percentage. They were also in a position where the lead of Ginebra had already ballooned, so as an import, he should act and try to come back to win. I'm seeing that there's something wrong with him, or maybe he was ordered not to shoot the ball and let the Kings win.

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Quote from: goinmerry on March 05, 2023, 06:59:31 PM

Lots of speculations that Converge lose that game on purpose as their import only scored lower compared to its usual in 35 minutes of playing. But looking at the standing, win or loss, I don't see how it will impact the final position of teams.

Always have that mentality when something unusual happen during the game, the reputation of PBA always at risk when gamblers noticed that something is not right within the game, though it's always a rumor and nothing can be proven I mean, no one can prove anything after the game end.

For someone who already understands the drill, just another bad pick and continues to move forward.

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The courtside reporter also tells during the game that Franklin is always trying to make several hoops last game even if it's hard to attempt and not sure if it's going to be a successful shot. That's what Coach Ayo pointed out and maybe Franklin take it as a big deal.

Not a pro if he got that mentality! He's been paid to listen to his coach and adjust for the betterment of the game and not to ruin it.

Just a personal take without sentiment. We don't know what will happen next and if the comment affects him personally.

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On first game, I think the Bolts will get this one so I'd rather bet on spread or total rather than the winner. On the 2nd game, I think the odds of Ginebra winning is still attractive at least for me. I will bet on them this time.

Meralco won the game against Phoenix Fuel Master. They won by six points. I feel like Meralco has a hard time in closing games. They have a good lead with two minutes left in the game, but they let Phoenix make a run and closed the game. Then McDaniels fouled out that gave the Phoenix Fuel Masters a chance to snatch a win. Luckily Newsome was there for a block and some timely rebound to make sure that they secure the win.

Meralco won the game against the Phoenix, but they almost lost when they surged, making forced turnovers against Meralco. The good thing is that, the Bolts remained their composure until the end of the game even though McDaniels got fouled out in the 4th quarter. Well, the Bolts already is secured in the playoffs, so it's a non-bearing game for them. Currently, they are now in the 5th spot and might remain on that spot until the playoffs.

What's bad is that, I put a -6.5 spread bet on the Bolts, but the lead is only 6. The FuelMasters tried to foul Newsome in the dying seconds, but the referees didn't whistle thus, he didn't shot free throws that would've cover my bet. It's the referee's fault I lost my bet. Cheesy

Quote from: goinmerry on March 05, 2023, 06:59:31 PM

Lots of speculations that Converge lose that game on purpose as their import only scored lower compared to its usual in 35 minutes of playing. But looking at the standing, win or loss, I don't see how it will impact the final position of teams.

I watched the whole game, and on one interview, Franklin said that he wants to boost the morale of his team that's why he is giving them balls for them to shoot. I mean we've seen Franklin scoring and scoring. He said that now's the time for his teammates to at least shoot the ball and since they are already in the playoffs, I guess there's noting wrong with that way of thinking.

I might think negatively towards the import of Converge if I didn't heard that interview.

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Lots of speculations that Converge lose that game on purpose as their import only scored lower compared to its usual in 35 minutes of playing. But looking at the standing, win or loss, I don't see how it will impact the final position of teams.

The courtside reporter also tells during the game that Franklin is always trying to make several hoops last game even if it's hard to attempt and not sure if it's going to be a successful shot. That's what Coach Ayo pointed out and maybe Franklin take it as a big deal.

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Quote from: jakelyson on March 05, 2023, 01:45:21 PM

My take is Franklin likes to play iso but that would not work for a defensive team like Ginebra. Maybe he was overwhelmed by the defense of Ginebra so he was taken out of his usual performance.

Adding to that, it was noticeably always seen that Jamaal Franklin is hogging the ball mostly prior to their games against Ginebra. The reason why the import always establishes a high score every game.

Because of that, he was instructed then to always share the ball with his teammate and the result is, he didn't become aggressive as he used to be.

I will disregard the speculation that Franklin intentionally wants to lose that game but it's clear that he and Converge have an internal issue and problem which is not good for the team. Now that Franklin shared the ball, look at what happened, the locals didn't even step up.

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Quote from: crzy on March 05, 2023, 04:19:04 PM

There’s no intention to lose here as they are still on a big risk of losing the chance getting into the next round, or maybe you’re correct with this one but I think their import is just off today and don’t have a good plays. Too bad to lose with a 19 point deficit, this might be expect as they played against Ginebra which we all know played better compare to other teams. Positioning for the second round will be more crucial, let’s see if Covenver and Ginebra will meet again next round.

Even if Converge loses that game against Ginebra, there's no big risk for them to lose the chance of getting into the quarterfinals. They already clinched and qualified for their quarterfinal spot and let's say they won that game last night, the possibility of being on the twice-to-win side is still what they will end up with.

Winning or losing that game against Ginebra last night also won't change the possibility of Converge facing the MVP team, TNT, Meralco and NLEX, and SMC teams, Brgy. Ginebra and San Miguel Beermen. If the seeding won't change until the last game, Converge might face the Beermen and they need to make 2 wins to eliminate SMB.

A tough challenge waiting on the quarterfinals for the Converge and let's see if they can pull up an upset.

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Quote from: Maslate on March 05, 2023, 08:15:43 AM

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There's a high chance that Converge will lose this one as their import's offense is very predictable and the Gin Kings have guarded him well, at the moment he has only registered 4 points in this game.

He is not making shots, and there's something wrong with that game. It looks like Converge is intentionally losing the game. Jamal Franklin, who scored 57 points against Meralco, only scored 4 points and had attempted only 5 shots in that game. That's so uncharacteristic of him because he usually has higher shot attempts.

What do you think about that game? Did you see something unusual like I did?

There’s no intention to lose here as they are still on a big risk of losing the chance getting into the next round, or maybe you’re correct with this one but I think their import is just off today and don’t have a good plays. Too bad to lose with a 19 point deficit, this might be expect as they played against Ginebra which we all know played better compare to other teams. Positioning for the second round will be more crucial, let’s see if Covenver and Ginebra will meet again next round.

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On first game, I think the Bolts will get this one so I'd rather bet on spread or total rather than the winner. On the 2nd game, I think the odds of Ginebra winning is still attractive at least for me. I will bet on them this time.

Meralco won the game against Phoenix Fuel Master. They won by six points. I feel like Meralco has a hard time in closing games. They have a good lead with two minutes left in the game, but they let Phoenix make a run and closed the game. Then McDaniels fouled out that gave the Phoenix Fuel Masters a chance to snatch a win. Luckily Newsome was there for a block and some timely rebound to make sure that they secure the win.

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What do you think about that game? Did you see something unusual like I did?

That is really uncharacteristic for the import. I did not watch the whole game, only a glimpse but when I saw that Ginebra have a double-digit lead, I already know Ginebra will win. My take is Franklin likes to play iso but that would not work for a defensive team like Ginebra. Maybe he was overwhelmed by the defense of Ginebra so he was taken out of his usual performance.

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Meanwhile, the Gin Kings and Converge are playing now. I'm sure Converge will play harder, as they are in a two-game losing streak already. Let's see how this game goes. It's a tight ball game so far and everyone is enjoying the action.

I'm expecting a close game, but it seems like their import is having a problem. He hasn't played a lot in this game and has only made a limited contribution. Franklin is supposed to score double digits already if he is healthy, but after the first half, he has only scored two points. I hope he will come back in the second half and help his team compete with the Gin Kings.

The lead is not that high and I think Converge can still cover that lead and take it for them, they need a good plays right now.
Losing this game will put them on a risky position going into the next round, too bad their import is not playing well its time for the locals to step up. If Ginebra plays consistently here, we might see a huge lead at the end of the game and that can hurt the confidence of converge for sure.

It ended up with a huge deficit, 19 points to be exact, Gin kings wins all quarters, not sure what happen with Converge import why he's not playing well and why he's not doing his usual type of game, he was known as very productive import but today he's not showing that eagerness to produce a score for the team.

I just notice another great game from CStand. He's really been a big factor for the team, making good defense and providing decent numbers for his offense.

A two-way player that Gin kings really can rely, congrats to all Gin kings fans and Bettors!

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Quote from: bisdak40 on March 05, 2023, 07:45:59 AM

There's a high chance that Converge will lose this one as their import's offense is very predictable and the Gin Kings have guarded him well, at the moment he has only registered 4 points in this game.

He is not making shots, and there's something wrong with that game. It looks like Converge is intentionally losing the game. Jamal Franklin, who scored 57 points against Meralco, only scored 4 points and had attempted only 5 shots in that game. That's so uncharacteristic of him because he usually has higher shot attempts.

What do you think about that game? Did you see something unusual like I did?

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