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Quote from: goinmerry on February 13, 2023, 06:58:39 PM

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Hopefully, we don't see a game like that again. Let's move forward and forget what happened that night, for Ginebra fans.

Please debunk it because many might not moved on from what happened. Cheesy

Anyway, I'm not a Ginebra fan, but I've seen also losses from SMB and I just simply move on whenever sh*t happens. It happens. A lose is a lose. Move forward and move on. That's what Ginebra fans must do and forget about that "Sagip Kapamilya" thing already. Both teams did their best. It's just that, one team is having a bad night and that's it.

Quote from: chaser15 on February 13, 2023, 07:23:02 PM

Ginebra will face next the San Miguel Beermen on Friday, another tough opponent right now in the conference. Tim Cone pointed out that his team last night against Magnolia was really tired due to catching up with the schedule but they don't want to use that as an excuse. They tried to keep everything close in that game but Magnolia is just playing aggressively and didn't allow them to bounce back.

Hoping to see a competitive Ginebra again in that game against San Miguel Beermen. They will surely bounce back on that bitter and embarrassing loss against the Magnolia previously. They don't want to experience again that big loss.

That's the mindset especially it came to a veteran coach like coach Tim Cone.

I also believe that they will and they must because their next opponent is another SMC. "Sagip Kapamilya" again? Forget that word already, and focus on enjoying watching every game. Thinking about it for too much will just make you stressed even you're a Ginebra fan or not.

Nevertheless, I will watch on this one between SMB and Ginebra. The last one that they matched up in Commissioners' Cup, Ginebra won thru a comeback and a three point by Scottie Thompson on the side. Can they do it again? Will the SMB make a revenge after losing to them in eliminations last season? Lets just hope that this game will be a close one so that PBA fans on the arena, and us who are watching online are happy.

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Ginebra will face next the San Miguel Beermen on Friday, another tough opponent right now in the conference. Tim Cone pointed out that his team last night against Magnolia was really tired due to catching up with the schedule but they don't want to use that as an excuse. They tried to keep everything close in that game but Magnolia is just playing aggressively and didn't allow them to bounce back.

Hoping to see a competitive Ginebra again in that game against San Miguel Beermen. They will surely bounce back on that bitter and embarrassing loss against the Magnolia previously. They don't want to experience again that big loss.

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I will debunked the idea of Sagip Kapamilya because they won't do it infront of many audiences.

Magnolia just did gave their best as that was a must win for them or else their standing will be more worst.

Hopefully, we don't see a game like that again. Let's move forward and forget what happened that night, for Ginebra fans.

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Quote from: Ziskinberg on February 13, 2023, 01:42:00 AM

I'm not sure what happen to him, he seemed like he doesn't want to win, the takeover mode is gone.

Impossible that Brownlee has that in mind. It's just the worst night and that's it. We don't need to think like that.

Disregarding speculations of "Sagip-Kapamilya", Magnolia is really doing great at the start. They keep that consistency throughout the game and protect their big lead. Ginebra, on the other hand, didn't push for something that is already settled.

Just unfortunate that those 11,000 gate attendees didn't witness the game the expected to watch. At least Ginebra didn't make that game turn out like that. Kudos to Magnolia though for having a good game that night.

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Quote from: Distinctin on February 13, 2023, 05:25:41 AM

But it's too early to rest their star players, I've seen in their previous games that they were down by a huge margin and yet they still choose to play the star players in the 4th quarter because there's an intention to come back and win. Also, even if Ginebra will lose, at least they will not lose by a huge margin as the points quotient is very important.

The quotient is important but Ginebra is unbeaten before facing Magnolia that's why even if they lose that game, it won't give too much bearing in terms of the quotient system as they can easily cover it. After all, that was Ginebra's only loss this conference, and lots of games to bounce back.

Since it was also the Ginebra's 4th game this conference, there's no need for their key players to make an attempt to win the game if they are downed by around 20 points entering the 4th. If only the game went somehow close during the mid-4th, I think Coach Tim will return his key players to the game.

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Quote from: Ziskinberg on February 13, 2023, 01:42:00 AM

Yeah, that was a win by Magnolia but I'm sure it's not a convincing win since they are a sister company. While watching the game, I already knew Ginebra's gonna lose because Brownlee was pretty much limited, I'm not sure what happen to him, he seemed like he doesn't want to win, the takeover mode is gone.

Well, it is still the round robin and they can lose a game or two. He can take it easy for now and switch it back on when the playoffs start. The locals of Ginebra are very reliable. They can find a win even if Brownlee is not performing well, it is just disappointing that it seems that even the locals are not doing well against the Magnolia.

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They have a term from what happened yesterday. "Sagip Kapamilya" Cheesy

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It's kind of funny when I heard this term and being used with this game, but that's the truth. Magnolia needs wins, and what they need in order for them to get wins? Get them from their sister companies.

Even if it is a "sagip kapamilya" game, they could have at least made the game interesting for the crowd and fans. They should have made Magnolia work for the win and just blunder in the dying seconds of the game. Those fans who went to the venue and paid to witness a good game were short-changed.

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As all of you are still talking about what happened yesterday, I was shocked at what the TNT did.
After having a good start, they just changed their import with an ex-NBA player in Rondae Hollis-Jefferson.
https://www.spin.ph/basketball/pba/tnt-replaces-import-jalen-hudson-with-rondae-hollis-jefferson-a793-20230213

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TNT is not satisfied with a strong start in the PBA Governors' Cup.

The Tropang Giga will be bringing in a new import in former NBA player Rondae Hollis-Jefferson to take the place of the high-scoring Jalen Hudson.

I mean TNT is performing very good with him as an import, but it has stated in the article that they need an import that can also play at the paint and bigger than him. Hudson is a scorer and his frame is a bit small compare to others, thus they needed to change their import.

Rondae Hollis-Jefferson played in the NBA for 7 seasons and after that, he played overseas already. His name is very familiar since he also played with the Brooklyn Nets. Can't find some highlights of him though, but let's see how he will carry the TNT team that is now at the top 2 of the leaderboards currently with 5-1 record tied with the Converge.

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Quote from: Distinctin on February 13, 2023, 05:25:41 AM

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Quote from: Distinctin on February 12, 2023, 06:20:27 AM

Yes, but they have to earn that win tonight, I hope there will be no rigging that will happen in this game because we know that they are a sister company. I read from the comments from some people saying we have a "sagip kapamilya" tonight, so that's the reason why Ginebra is not the heavy favorites.

Once again, i would say in this column that i don't believe in this rigging thing because if they do this kind of cheating it will be obvious and with the help of technology, this can be discovered on reviewing the replays.

Let's just be optimistic and take advantage of this situation as this won't happen often so with that being i'm betting now for Ginebra +16.5 @1.89. They can lose this game but i think Magnolia won't cover the 16 points spread.

It doesn't really matter what we believe, what matters is we win most of our bets. In this game, you got trapped a bit, hehe. I also thought that Ginebra would easily cover the +16.5 bet after the 3rd quarter, but unfortunately, they stop their run in the 4th and got tired.

Have you noticed? Thompson did not come back in the game, while Gray and Malonzo only played 6 minutes I guess in the 4th.

With huge deficit after the 1st half and they didn't manage to close the gap after the third quarter it's a wise decision to let your stars to rest and give the game away from the opponent, an early sign of putting your your white flag up. Most of us for sure have it's own views with what happened to that game, but for sure, in the eyes of those heavy gamblers they will not remove that sentiment "hulog" in our own language is what happen here.

But it's too early to rest their star players, I've seen in their previous games that they were down by a huge margin and yet they still choose to play the star players in the 4th quarter because there's an intention to come back and win. Also, even if Ginebra will lose, at least they will not lose by a huge margin as the points quotient is very important.

I see your point and that's really how we know the never say die team but it happened and who knows what behind that decision from coach Tim, losing that huge deficits gives all those bettors a doubt as we all knows the drill when losing there's always rumors behind while when winning they will just move forward and enjoy the money.

Don't quote me wrong Kabayan, but that's how I see and we can't change anything after the game.

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Quote from: Fredomago on February 13, 2023, 04:26:53 AM

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Quote from: Distinctin on February 12, 2023, 06:20:27 AM

Yes, but they have to earn that win tonight, I hope there will be no rigging that will happen in this game because we know that they are a sister company. I read from the comments from some people saying we have a "sagip kapamilya" tonight, so that's the reason why Ginebra is not the heavy favorites.

Once again, i would say in this column that i don't believe in this rigging thing because if they do this kind of cheating it will be obvious and with the help of technology, this can be discovered on reviewing the replays.

Let's just be optimistic and take advantage of this situation as this won't happen often so with that being i'm betting now for Ginebra +16.5 @1.89. They can lose this game but i think Magnolia won't cover the 16 points spread.

It doesn't really matter what we believe, what matters is we win most of our bets. In this game, you got trapped a bit, hehe. I also thought that Ginebra would easily cover the +16.5 bet after the 3rd quarter, but unfortunately, they stop their run in the 4th and got tired.

Have you noticed? Thompson did not come back in the game, while Gray and Malonzo only played 6 minutes I guess in the 4th.

With huge deficit after the 1st half and they didn't manage to close the gap after the third quarter it's a wise decision to let your stars to rest and give the game away from the opponent, an early sign of putting your your white flag up. Most of us for sure have it's own views with what happened to that game, but for sure, in the eyes of those heavy gamblers they will not remove that sentiment "hulog" in our own language is what happen here.

But it's too early to rest their star players, I've seen in their previous games that they were down by a huge margin and yet they still choose to play the star players in the 4th quarter because there's an intention to come back and win. Also, even if Ginebra will lose, at least they will not lose by a huge margin as the points quotient is very important.

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Quote from: Distinctin on February 13, 2023, 03:35:07 AM

Quote from: bisdak40 on February 12, 2023, 07:04:49 AM

Quote from: Distinctin on February 12, 2023, 06:20:27 AM

Yes, but they have to earn that win tonight, I hope there will be no rigging that will happen in this game because we know that they are a sister company. I read from the comments from some people saying we have a "sagip kapamilya" tonight, so that's the reason why Ginebra is not the heavy favorites.

Once again, i would say in this column that i don't believe in this rigging thing because if they do this kind of cheating it will be obvious and with the help of technology, this can be discovered on reviewing the replays.

Let's just be optimistic and take advantage of this situation as this won't happen often so with that being i'm betting now for Ginebra +16.5 @1.89. They can lose this game but i think Magnolia won't cover the 16 points spread.

It doesn't really matter what we believe, what matters is we win most of our bets. In this game, you got trapped a bit, hehe. I also thought that Ginebra would easily cover the +16.5 bet after the 3rd quarter, but unfortunately, they stop their run in the 4th and got tired.

Have you noticed? Thompson did not come back in the game, while Gray and Malonzo only played 6 minutes I guess in the 4th.

With huge deficit after the 1st half and they didn't manage to close the gap after the third quarter it's a wise decision to let your stars to rest and give the game away from the opponent, an early sign of putting your your white flag up. Most of us for sure have it's own views with what happened to that game, but for sure, in the eyes of those heavy gamblers they will not remove that sentiment "hulog" in our own language is what happen here.

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Quote from: Distinctin on February 13, 2023, 03:35:07 AM

Quote from: bisdak40 on February 12, 2023, 07:04:49 AM

Quote from: Distinctin on February 12, 2023, 06:20:27 AM

Yes, but they have to earn that win tonight, I hope there will be no rigging that will happen in this game because we know that they are a sister company. I read from the comments from some people saying we have a "sagip kapamilya" tonight, so that's the reason why Ginebra is not the heavy favorites.

Once again, i would say in this column that i don't believe in this rigging thing because if they do this kind of cheating it will be obvious and with the help of technology, this can be discovered on reviewing the replays.

Let's just be optimistic and take advantage of this situation as this won't happen often so with that being i'm betting now for Ginebra +16.5 @1.89. They can lose this game but i think Magnolia won't cover the 16 points spread.

It doesn't really matter what we believe, what matters is we win most of our bets. In this game, you got trapped a bit, hehe. I also thought that Ginebra would easily cover the +16.5 bet after the 3rd quarter, but unfortunately, they stop their run in the 4th and got tired.

I would have take the +16.5 because it looks very attractive, knowing the Ginebra, they will always have a run if they are down a huge margin, and yes they did it here in the 3rd quarter but out of fuel already in the 4th. This is the kind of bet that looks so easy but you'll regret getting attracted.

Quote from: Distinctin on February 13, 2023, 03:35:07 AM

Have you noticed? Thompson did not come back in the game, while Gray and Malonzo only played 6 minutes I guess in the 4th.

Thompson suffered an injury, I think they don't want to risk his injury as he might aggravate it. About Malonzo and Gray, yes they didn't play enough minutes in the 4th quarter, so this is quite questionable, or Ginebra had already conceded after the 3rd quarter?

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Quote from: bisdak40 on February 12, 2023, 07:04:49 AM

Quote from: Distinctin on February 12, 2023, 06:20:27 AM

Yes, but they have to earn that win tonight, I hope there will be no rigging that will happen in this game because we know that they are a sister company. I read from the comments from some people saying we have a "sagip kapamilya" tonight, so that's the reason why Ginebra is not the heavy favorites.

Once again, i would say in this column that i don't believe in this rigging thing because if they do this kind of cheating it will be obvious and with the help of technology, this can be discovered on reviewing the replays.

Let's just be optimistic and take advantage of this situation as this won't happen often so with that being i'm betting now for Ginebra +16.5 @1.89. They can lose this game but i think Magnolia won't cover the 16 points spread.

It doesn't really matter what we believe, what matters is we win most of our bets. In this game, you got trapped a bit, hehe. I also thought that Ginebra would easily cover the +16.5 bet after the 3rd quarter, but unfortunately, they stop their run in the 4th and got tired.

Have you noticed? Thompson did not come back in the game, while Gray and Malonzo only played 6 minutes I guess in the 4th.

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Quote from: harizen on February 12, 2023, 06:57:01 PM

Fine to Ginebra fans if they lose that game but if only the game went out close, that would be more fun and exciting.

Manila Clasico is expected to be like that and because Magnolia is currently at the bottom of the standing and they need a win, we can't avoid those people speculating that something wrong is happening.

Either way, that was a win that Magnolia had to keep up with the standings and be alive at the elimination round.

They have a term from what happened yesterday. "Sagip Kapamilya" Cheesy

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It's kind of funny when I heard this term and being used with this game, but that's the truth. Magnolia needs wins, and what they need in order for them to get wins? Get them from their sister companies.

That game is the largest margin of any Manila Clasico in history. 30 point margin. I just hope that Ginebra fans are ok with the result. It would be better indeed if Magnolia lost by only a single digit or the whole game will be a close one so that fans are happy watching it personally, but instead of happiness, they felt disappointment.

Anyway, let's move on about it and forget the negative. Let's focus on the positives shall we?

Magnolia's new import, Antonio Hester is way better than their previous import. He almost got a triple double 26 points-18 rebounds-9 assists. His footwork is good as well knowing that his body frame is kind of fat. Overall, they are on a 2 game winning streak with their new import, and I hope that the Hotshots will play better now.

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Quote from: harizen on February 12, 2023, 06:57:01 PM

Fine to Ginebra fans if they lose that game but if only the game went out close, that would be more fun and exciting.

Manila Clasico is expected to be like that and because Magnolia is currently at the bottom of the standing and they need a win, we can't avoid those people speculating that something wrong is happening.

Either way, that was a win that Magnolia had to keep up with the standings and be alive at the elimination round.

Yeah, that was a win by Magnolia but I'm sure it's not a convincing win since they are a sister company. While watching the game, I already knew Ginebra's gonna lose because Brownlee was pretty much limited, I'm not sure what happen to him, he seemed like he doesn't want to win, the takeover mode is gone.

I'm not looking that way in terms of begin a sister team but I agree with your statement seeing Brownlee playing like that already a sign that they don't have the chance to win the game, if your main alpha is not showing the intensity it will be a domino effects to everyone, not the same Manila Clasico that we expect to happen, it's a Sunday game but not the same aura for the crowd favorites.

Let's move forward as that game already concluded with a huge deficit from Magnolia,.

Even the crowd seemed to have fully understand already that the game is meant for Ginebra to lose. I have not seen Brownlee played that way, there must be something happening to him, like there's a group of mafia putting his family as hostage to ensure that he'll lose the game intentionally.

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Quote from: Ziskinberg on February 13, 2023, 01:42:00 AM

Quote from: harizen on February 12, 2023, 06:57:01 PM

Fine to Ginebra fans if they lose that game but if only the game went out close, that would be more fun and exciting.

Manila Clasico is expected to be like that and because Magnolia is currently at the bottom of the standing and they need a win, we can't avoid those people speculating that something wrong is happening.

Either way, that was a win that Magnolia had to keep up with the standings and be alive at the elimination round.

Yeah, that was a win by Magnolia but I'm sure it's not a convincing win since they are a sister company. While watching the game, I already knew Ginebra's gonna lose because Brownlee was pretty much limited, I'm not sure what happen to him, he seemed like he doesn't want to win, the takeover mode is gone.

I'm not looking that way in terms of begin a sister team but I agree with your statement seeing Brownlee playing like that already a sign that they don't have the chance to win the game, if your main alpha is not showing the intensity it will be a domino effects to everyone, not the same Manila Clasico that we expect to happen, it's a Sunday game but not the same aura for the crowd favorites.

Let's move forward as that game already concluded with a huge deficit from Magnolia,.

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Quote from: harizen on February 12, 2023, 06:57:01 PM

Fine to Ginebra fans if they lose that game but if only the game went out close, that would be more fun and exciting.

Manila Clasico is expected to be like that and because Magnolia is currently at the bottom of the standing and they need a win, we can't avoid those people speculating that something wrong is happening.

Either way, that was a win that Magnolia had to keep up with the standings and be alive at the elimination round.

Yeah, that was a win by Magnolia but I'm sure it's not a convincing win since they are a sister company. While watching the game, I already knew Ginebra's gonna lose because Brownlee was pretty much limited, I'm not sure what happen to him, he seemed like he doesn't want to win, the takeover mode is gone.

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Fine to Ginebra fans if they lose that game but if only the game went out close, that would be more fun and exciting.

Manila Clasico is expected to be like that and because Magnolia is currently at the bottom of the standing and they need a win, we can't avoid those people speculating that something wrong is happening.

Either way, that was a win that Magnolia had to keep up with the standings and be alive at the elimination round.

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Quote from: Russlenat on February 12, 2023, 05:59:53 AM

We will be witnessing a great game now. Ginebra vs Magnolia, this will be an entertaining game to watch, and the odds are almost even, so you can take Ginebra if you believe they will win. By the way, it looks like C. Stand and J Aguilar are still out, but who cares? Ginebra had proven they can win based on their undefeated record.

Unfortunately, the game went into a not entertaining game.

Manila Clasico should always be an entertaining game but the game is a landslide win by Magnolia. Ginebra was unable to get a rally or even make the game close. That's something unusual for Ginebra to experience being down on that big lead.

Sagip Kapamilya as other says as Magnolia needs to win but I think the game was fair and square. Cheesy

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Sorry game especially to those who spend time with their family and friends and watch the game live, very disappointing performance but that's life it's not always a good night for every team, I don't want that perception about "hulugan ng laro" much better to think that it is another game for Gin king and Magnolia really play well with their new import.

Correction Kabayan, 2nd win of Magnolia with their new import they are now moving forward and with that kind of performances the team really get the help that they needed for this season.

Ginebra should be ashamed for playing like this, I agree that its pretty obvious and they should not let their connections be affected with the game. We all know they are a sister company but still, they are in the competition and they should not let this to happen. Hoping for a more competitive PBA and not just about the money and connections. Well, we have to move on because this is already beyond our control, PBA is being corrupted and that is the issue since then.

Quite disappointed as well with the game. I was expecting a Manila Clasico, but it was a one-sided game. I stopped watching by the third quarter when the lead was about 20+. I do not think missing Aguilar in the game would be a big effect on Ginebra with Stand performing very well. But Magnolia's defense was great as usual, and the locals are contributing very well. With a new import, they showed Ginebra that they can win. I do not think it was a freebie for Magnolia but if it was, it is a bad timing since it is Sunday and fans are expecting to see a great game.

The Manila Clasico will only happen if they are both on top, but if one team is in endanger in terms of standing most probably this will be the result. Too bad for Ginebra fans to witness such game, they are not like that and even if there's no Japeth we all know Ginebra can still have a win.

Maybe the new import of Magnolia contributed a lot from this game, but watching the whole game can tell a different story. Fans are expecting a close match here but Ginebra failed to do so, maybe they are off tonight. Luckily I didn't place a bet for Ginebra even if I attempted to, now I know what to do next time.

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Quote from: jakelyson on February 12, 2023, 10:57:56 AM

Quote from: goaldigger on February 12, 2023, 08:42:08 AM

Quote from: Fredomago on February 12, 2023, 08:14:39 AM

Sorry game especially to those who spend time with their family and friends and watch the game live, very disappointing performance but that's life it's not always a good night for every team, I don't want that perception about "hulugan ng laro" much better to think that it is another game for Gin king and Magnolia really play well with their new import.

Correction Kabayan, 2nd win of Magnolia with their new import they are now moving forward and with that kind of performances the team really get the help that they needed for this season.

Ginebra should be ashamed for playing like this, I agree that its pretty obvious and they should not let their connections be affected with the game. We all know they are a sister company but still, they are in the competition and they should not let this to happen. Hoping for a more competitive PBA and not just about the money and connections. Well, we have to move on because this is already beyond our control, PBA is being corrupted and that is the issue since then.

Quite disappointed as well with the game. I was expecting a Manila Clasico, but it was a one-sided game. I stopped watching by the third quarter when the lead was about 20+. I do not think missing Aguilar in the game would be a big effect on Ginebra with Stand performing very well. But Magnolia's defense was great as usual, and the locals are contributing very well. With a new import, they showed Ginebra that they can win. I do not think it was a freebie for Magnolia but if it was, it is a bad timing since it is Sunday and fans are expecting to see a great game.

Yes, a freebie in terms of how the game went, but it was the defense that gives Magnolia the win. Not sure why Brownlee is not in the combat mode today, and yes also, that even Japeth is not there, the squad still complete in terms of positions, they can compete but most of them are off-night.

The Manila Clasico ended up again in favor of Magnolia, let see in theri next upcoming game if ever they'll going to meet for the next schedule if same will happen.

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