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July 24, 2024, 08:06:58 AM
Interest from the fans if there's real competition unlike from what we are seeing right now, very predictable that it going to be between SMC and MVP most of the time.

If they want to get the attention of the fans, they should surprise them by letting Northport or ROS win a championship again. Those are teams that aren't so popular but have some competitive players. PBA management is too ambitious, talking about being the number one in Asia where people aren't even watching PBA anymore. They prefer to watch MPBL, as there's real competition there. I think the PBA needs to see that first before aiming to compete with other leagues in Asia.

So we are part of the top 5 pro league in Asia. https://www.fiba.basketball/news/my-top-five-pro-leagues-in-asia
But can we beat the other leagues that pays bigger money?
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Chinese Basketball Association (CBA)
Korean Basketball League (KBL)
Philippine Basketball Association (PBA)
Japanese B.League
Lebanese Basketball League (LBL)

Straight and precise and that's the sad reality and the reason also why new talents are no longer focus with PBA but instead they are aiming overseas as they can get bigger paychecks, though there's still opportunities for this league maybe if changes from the handlers will take place and those so obvious trades will be prevented and let those teams who are independent win a title or become a title contender not just a farm team a-like that will just continue to play to complete the list of the teams, the name of the league will remain but having that interest back,

that's something that really needs to work more, they need to bring excitement and entertainment and not just adding something that gain attention in a negative way, my point is having a 4point rainbow arc might not gives that excitement but the real competitions from each teams that in the list of franchise and not being dominated by selected squads.

New raising talents now aim overseas because they see more better opportunity. Aside for getting quality minutes for their teams they can also get more bigger pay checks that's why lots of them decide to go abroad and accept the offers given to them.

That's the first thing to consider, the disparity of the pay a player will receive playing overseas compared to the PBA.
JMF is probably he highest paid player in the PBA, but I believe other players playing overseas are even making more money than him, so that alone the PBA could not compare anymore, that's why I have no idea what came into their mind to come up with that unrealistic goal.

PBA became more boring and their decisions made is not really appealing to the fans. Maybe they should stop those monopoly mindset if they want to see a good progress of the league, but I guess that's not going to happen if SMB and MVP group is there since they don't want their competitor would advertise their products to PBA and they want to manipulate the league so that everything will be in favor to them. Sad that PBA is not exciting the same as before and maybe we will see that in next few years we could see that PBA will collapsed.

That monopoly has been for a decade IMO, it was just notice in the later years because people have became more active in social media interaction. And with that, I'm sure they read the comments from the real fans but they aren't making any actions about that, so we can't expect they'll grow as a league.
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July 24, 2024, 07:57:01 AM
Interest from the fans if there's real competition unlike from what we are seeing right now, very predictable that it going to be between SMC and MVP most of the time.

If they want to get the attention of the fans, they should surprise them by letting Northport or ROS win a championship again. Those are teams that aren't so popular but have some competitive players. PBA management is too ambitious, talking about being the number one in Asia where people aren't even watching PBA anymore. They prefer to watch MPBL, as there's real competition there. I think the PBA needs to see that first before aiming to compete with other leagues in Asia.

So we are part of the top 5 pro league in Asia. https://www.fiba.basketball/news/my-top-five-pro-leagues-in-asia
But can we beat the other leagues that pays bigger money?
Quote
Chinese Basketball Association (CBA)
Korean Basketball League (KBL)
Philippine Basketball Association (PBA)
Japanese B.League
Lebanese Basketball League (LBL)

Straight and precise and that's the sad reality and the reason also why new talents are no longer focus with PBA but instead they are aiming overseas as they can get bigger paychecks, though there's still opportunities for this league maybe if changes from the handlers will take place and those so obvious trades will be prevented and let those teams who are independent win a title or become a title contender not just a farm team a-like that will just continue to play to complete the list of the teams, the name of the league will remain but having that interest back,

that's something that really needs to work more, they need to bring excitement and entertainment and not just adding something that gain attention in a negative way, my point is having a 4point rainbow arc might not gives that excitement but the real competitions from each teams that in the list of franchise and not being dominated by selected squads.

New raising talents now aim overseas because they see more better opportunity. Aside for getting quality minutes for their teams they can also get more bigger pay checks that's why lots of them decide to go abroad and accept the offers given to them.

PBA became more boring and their decisions made is not really appealing to the fans. Maybe they should stop those monopoly mindset if they want to see a good progress of the league, but I guess that's not going to happen if SMB and MVP group is there since they don't want their competitor would advertise their products to PBA and they want to manipulate the league so that everything will be in favor to them. Sad that PBA is not exciting the same as before and maybe we will see that in next few years we could see that PBA will collapsed.
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July 24, 2024, 07:07:56 AM
Interest from the fans if there's real competition unlike from what we are seeing right now, very predictable that it going to be between SMC and MVP most of the time.

If they want to get the attention of the fans, they should surprise them by letting Northport or ROS win a championship again. Those are teams that aren't so popular but have some competitive players. PBA management is too ambitious, talking about being the number one in Asia where people aren't even watching PBA anymore. They prefer to watch MPBL, as there's real competition there. I think the PBA needs to see that first before aiming to compete with other leagues in Asia.

So we are part of the top 5 pro league in Asia. https://www.fiba.basketball/news/my-top-five-pro-leagues-in-asia
But can we beat the other leagues that pays bigger money?
Quote
Chinese Basketball Association (CBA)
Korean Basketball League (KBL)
Philippine Basketball Association (PBA)
Japanese B.League
Lebanese Basketball League (LBL)

Straight and precise and that's the sad reality and the reason also why new talents are no longer focus with PBA but instead they are aiming overseas as they can get bigger paychecks, though there's still opportunities for this league maybe if changes from the handlers will take place and those so obvious trades will be prevented and let those teams who are independent win a title or become a title contender not just a farm team a-like that will just continue to play to complete the list of the teams, the name of the league will remain but having that interest back,

that's something that really needs to work more, they need to bring excitement and entertainment and not just adding something that gain attention in a negative way, my point is having a 4point rainbow arc might not gives that excitement but the real competitions from each teams that in the list of franchise and not being dominated by selected squads.
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July 24, 2024, 06:58:46 AM
Interest from the fans if there's real competition unlike from what we are seeing right now, very predictable that it going to be between SMC and MVP most of the time.

If they want to get the attention of the fans, they should surprise them by letting Northport or ROS win a championship again. Those are teams that aren't so popular but have some competitive players. PBA management is too ambitious, talking about being the number one in Asia where people aren't even watching PBA anymore. They prefer to watch MPBL, as there's real competition there. I think the PBA needs to see that first before aiming to compete with other leagues in Asia.

So we are part of the top 5 pro league in Asia. https://www.fiba.basketball/news/my-top-five-pro-leagues-in-asia
But can we beat the other leagues that pays bigger money?
Quote
Chinese Basketball Association (CBA)
Korean Basketball League (KBL)
Philippine Basketball Association (PBA)
Japanese B.League
Lebanese Basketball League (LBL)
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July 24, 2024, 12:15:41 AM
PBA goal is to be No. 1 sports entertainment in Asia

Can you believe that? Some are even criticizing this league, saying it isn't as good as it was before. I think it will only improve if they eliminate the power of the big teams that can farm other teams for their benefit. They also need to add more teams to make the league more competitive. They already have the popularity; they just need to make some adjustments that align with the fans' wishes. They should consider the criticism they hear or read as constructive feedback so they can make the right changes to make this a great league once again.

Yeah, i do agree with this, they should hear what the fans want but it seems to me that those outcries by the fans has fallen to deaf ears and they don't do anything about that. Maybe adding additional teams could somehow bring back the fans to watch the games as they will got to see new faces in the league. Though i have doubts of the transfer of Stanly Pringle and Christian Standhardinger to Terrafirma but that trade is a good start to bring balance to the teams of the PBA and hoping that those players who play abroad will go back to the Philippines and play in the PBA.

They hear it loud and clear but MVP and SMC can give them the money that they desire to earn that's much bigger than any voice and criticizm of the fans, they are not willing to give that hope but just to continue doing what they are already been known, though maybe if somehow they'll allow to bring a new team or just like what they've did before inviting guest teams and bring that competitions to a bigger arena that may bring something out.

Interest from the fans if there's real competition unlike from what we are seeing right now, very predictable that it going to be between SMC and MVP most of the time.
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July 23, 2024, 09:00:29 PM
PBA goal is to be No. 1 sports entertainment in Asia

Can you believe that? Some are even criticizing this league, saying it isn't as good as it was before. I think it will only improve if they eliminate the power of the big teams that can farm other teams for their benefit. They also need to add more teams to make the league more competitive. They already have the popularity; they just need to make some adjustments that align with the fans' wishes. They should consider the criticism they hear or read as constructive feedback so they can make the right changes to make this a great league once again.

Yeah, i do agree with this, they should hear what the fans want but it seems to me that those outcries by the fans has fallen to deaf ears and they don't do anything about that. Maybe adding additional teams could somehow bring back the fans to watch the games as they will got to see new faces in the league. Though i have doubts of the transfer of Stanly Pringle and Christian Standhardinger to Terrafirma but that trade is a good start to bring balance to the teams of the PBA and hoping that those players who play abroad will go back to the Philippines and play in the PBA.
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July 23, 2024, 06:14:45 PM
PBA goal is to be No. 1 sports entertainment in Asia

Can you believe that? Some are even criticizing this league, saying it isn't as good as it was before. I think it will only improve if they eliminate the power of the big teams that can farm other teams for their benefit. They also need to add more teams to make the league more competitive. They already have the popularity; they just need to make some adjustments that align with the fans' wishes. They should consider the criticism they hear or read as constructive feedback so they can make the right changes to make this a great league once again.
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July 23, 2024, 06:55:13 AM

I don't know if this 4-point shot is a genius move by the PBA considering that this scheme is not yet adapted in any league. We might be looking like idiots with this new move and for me i don't approved this one if i'm the commissioner of the PBA but maybe they have a good reason why they implement this so let us just see what will be the outcome of this new rule.

I don't see it a genius move and nobody cares about 4-point shoot since there's only few shooter who could able to shoot in that area. Many fans criticize the decision on why they add that while this is not been implemented on international games including NBA.

Maybe what's best for the league is team expansion since with that they can make the league more exciting if there would be a lot of teams will join on PBA. But I guess they don't like to do that since it maybe hard to manipulate the league if there's a lot of team will join on PBA.

I like idea adding more teams a kind of comptitions where the dominance of SMC and MVP might be challenge just allow choks owner to participate and throw is money for the competitions, no need to add that 4 point line and give those players try hard to take that spot and master it, as we all know that even how far it is, practice can improve your chance and we might see our new generations stars who will work on that side just like how they idolized Steph and Dame, who keeps those long shots and create enough space taking shot like that.

I read somewhere from a social media post as even Big "J" and coach tim are not convince that adding that 4 point range will bring attention to the fans, big "J" mentioned that it's like larong kalye in our own terms, not a good addition and better to think wiser if PBA managements wanted to bring more attention and bring the old glory back.

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July 23, 2024, 06:32:14 AM

I don't know if this 4-point shot is a genius move by the PBA considering that this scheme is not yet adapted in any league. We might be looking like idiots with this new move and for me i don't approved this one if i'm the commissioner of the PBA but maybe they have a good reason why they implement this so let us just see what will be the outcome of this new rule.

I don't see it a genius move and nobody cares about 4-point shoot since there's only few shooter who could able to shoot in that area. Many fans criticize the decision on why they add that while this is not been implemented on international games including NBA.

Maybe what's best for the league is team expansion since with that they can make the league more exciting if there would be a lot of teams will join on PBA. But I guess they don't like to do that since it maybe hard to manipulate the league if there's a lot of team will join on PBA.
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July 23, 2024, 05:44:43 AM
They tried to cheat SGA, but they didn't succeed as it was obvious SGA was the better team. Hopefully, the next Jones Cup will not be held in that country. Maybe it could be held in the Philippines, giving our players the home court advantage, but we also want to see fair officiating if that happens.
RJ is joking about the next Jones Cup and it should be in the courts of Tondo.  Grin


I read this just today. Are we the only league that has this kind of rule? This looks interesting, and I guess the players who will benefit are those who love to shoot beyond the arc. To name a few, Paul Lee and maybe Bolick. Let's see how this goes. I'm excited for the resumption of the PBA, which will be happening next month.
Likely that we are only to have this kind of basketball pointing rule. Not sure if North Korea has that if the player shoots flawless and nothing but net.

I don't know if this 4-point shot is a genius move by the PBA considering that this scheme is not yet adapted in any league. We might be looking like idiots with this new move and for me i don't approved this one if i'm the commissioner of the PBA but maybe they have a good reason why they implement this so let us just see what will be the outcome of this new rule.
Many don't like it to be honest but let's see if it's a real game changer. Most shooters will start to practice then.
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July 23, 2024, 04:03:00 AM

I don't know if this 4-point shot is a genius move by the PBA considering that this scheme is not yet adapted in any league. We might be looking like idiots with this new move and for me i don't approved this one if i'm the commissioner of the PBA but maybe they have a good reason why they implement this so let us just see what will be the outcome of this new rule.
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July 22, 2024, 10:01:15 AM
When I was watching the game, I thought that SGA was about to lose. That less than 2 minutes was crucial, I think that Taiwan has got 5-7 points in the lead but turnovers and 3 points led by RJ Abarrientos did it and as well as that shot made by Kiefer.
The last ball posession made the game overtime and our SGA did it well.

True, the Philippines were already down by about three possessions, but we didn't give up, even though the calls of the refs were very obviously favoring the home team. But that was the game. We played hard, never gave up, and made some clutch shots. That shot by Ravena was really big, but Taiwan got back to bring the game into overtime.

I think our imports also did pretty well, but players like RJ Abarrientos and Ravena were big in the clutch. So, a big congratulations to this team! After the last win in 2019, we got ourselves back in first place. Hopefully, they'll continue to work on the lineup so we can at least dominate this tournament, which is easier compared to the other tournaments our team, the Philippines, has been participating in.
And looking at that, I thought that the SGA will have some buzzer beater but that's fine, it resulted to OT and then a win. As for the refs calls, they're too obvious and that's why even CMaC was even though to be selling the game. LOL, obvious as well, a lot of free throws missed. But that's already done and SGA won the championship, another clutch game.
They tried to cheat SGA, but they didn't succeed as it was obvious SGA was the better team. Hopefully, the next Jones Cup will not be held in that country. Maybe it could be held in the Philippines, giving our players the home court advantage, but we also want to see fair officiating if that happens.


I read this just today. Are we the only league that has this kind of rule? This looks interesting, and I guess the players who will benefit are those who love to shoot beyond the arc. To name a few, Paul Lee and maybe Bolick. Let's see how this goes. I'm excited for the resumption of the PBA, which will be happening next month.
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July 22, 2024, 09:16:54 AM
When I was watching the game, I thought that SGA was about to lose. That less than 2 minutes was crucial, I think that Taiwan has got 5-7 points in the lead but turnovers and 3 points led by RJ Abarrientos did it and as well as that shot made by Kiefer.
The last ball posession made the game overtime and our SGA did it well.

True, the Philippines were already down by about three possessions, but we didn't give up, even though the calls of the refs were very obviously favoring the home team. But that was the game. We played hard, never gave up, and made some clutch shots. That shot by Ravena was really big, but Taiwan got back to bring the game into overtime.

I think our imports also did pretty well, but players like RJ Abarrientos and Ravena were big in the clutch. So, a big congratulations to this team! After the last win in 2019, we got ourselves back in first place. Hopefully, they'll continue to work on the lineup so we can at least dominate this tournament, which is easier compared to the other tournaments our team, the Philippines, has been participating in.
And looking at that, I thought that the SGA will have some buzzer beater but that's fine, it resulted to OT and then a win. As for the refs calls, they're too obvious and that's why even CMaC was even though to be selling the game. LOL, obvious as well, a lot of free throws missed. But that's already done and SGA won the championship, another clutch game.

Going to PBA, did you guys saw the news about PBA approved the 4-point shot?
(https://www.spin.ph/basketball/pba/pba-officially-adopts-four-point-shot-for-next-season-a793-20240722?ref=article_tag)
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July 22, 2024, 07:23:21 AM

I wonder why RJ Abarrientos didn't play in the PBA, I think he could be a great point guard in a strong teams like the SMB, Ginebra, or TNT.  I'm just so proud of out team that we have achieve this big victory. Congratulations to Strong Group Athletics.

H was already selected by Ginebra, you can see on this video. RJ Abarrientos as THIRD PICK overall | PBA Season 49 Draft

You are right, he could be a good point guard with this team, so with that, Scottie won't be playing that position anymore if they will give him a starting role? I think he deserve that as winning a championship with SGA is bigger than winning a championship in the PBA.

I agree with you, he's skillsets are really great and just like his uncle he got that good decision making, a playmaker who adds up good offensive threats to the opposing team, he can attract the defense and simply passed the ball to a much open man to take the shot, I'm for sure think that coach Tim already see that the reason why Gin kings draft him as preparation for more exposures with how the system works for coach Tim.

Surely we will see him wearing again the Gilas uniform, with the talent and skills that he got, it's not hard for him to adopt the system and I'm pretty sure his uncle will always be there for him in terms of how to work with coach Tim.

He is only 5′11″, one of the shortest guards in the PBA, but he has the heart of a champion as he is very competitive. There's a chance that he'll play with Gilas since he is now with Ginebra. Coach Tim would surely get his own players as he already knows them well. He is even taller than Jimmy Alapag, who is only 5′9″, but hopefully, he will do great like Alapag, who was not only a good point guard but also a good outside shooter.
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July 22, 2024, 06:33:10 AM

I wonder why RJ Abarrientos didn't play in the PBA, I think he could be a great point guard in a strong teams like the SMB, Ginebra, or TNT.  I'm just so proud of out team that we have achieve this big victory. Congratulations to Strong Group Athletics.

H was already selected by Ginebra, you can see on this video. RJ Abarrientos as THIRD PICK overall | PBA Season 49 Draft

You are right, he could be a good point guard with this team, so with that, Scottie won't be playing that position anymore if they will give him a starting role? I think he deserve that as winning a championship with SGA is bigger than winning a championship in the PBA.

I agree with you, he's skillsets are really great and just like his uncle he got that good decision making, a playmaker who adds up good offensive threats to the opposing team, he can attract the defense and simply passed the ball to a much open man to take the shot, I'm for sure think that coach Tim already see that the reason why Gin kings draft him as preparation for more exposures with how the system works for coach Tim.

Surely we will see him wearing again the Gilas uniform, with the talent and skills that he got, it's not hard for him to adopt the system and I'm pretty sure his uncle will always be there for him in terms of how to work with coach Tim.
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July 22, 2024, 06:26:46 AM

I wonder why RJ Abarrientos didn't play in the PBA, I think he could be a great point guard in a strong teams like the SMB, Ginebra, or TNT.  I'm just so proud of out team that we have achieve this big victory. Congratulations to Strong Group Athletics.

H was already selected by Ginebra, you can see on this video. RJ Abarrientos as THIRD PICK overall | PBA Season 49 Draft

You are right, he could be a good point guard with this team, so with that, Scottie won't be playing that position anymore if they will give him a starting role? I think he deserve that as winning a championship with SGA is bigger than winning a championship in the PBA.

We have an interesting player making his debut in the upcoming Governor's Cup. How is he related to the Flying A, Johnny Abarrientos? I saw him play with SGA and he was really tough; maybe his experience overseas really made him a better player. But now that he is back in the PBA, I'm curious: does he have a big offer from Ginebra, like an underground agreement?
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July 22, 2024, 01:02:51 AM

I wonder why RJ Abarrientos didn't play in the PBA, I think he could be a great point guard in a strong teams like the SMB, Ginebra, or TNT.  I'm just so proud of out team that we have achieve this big victory. Congratulations to Strong Group Athletics.

H was already selected by Ginebra, you can see on this video. RJ Abarrientos as THIRD PICK overall | PBA Season 49 Draft

You are right, he could be a good point guard with this team, so with that, Scottie won't be playing that position anymore if they will give him a starting role? I think he deserve that as winning a championship with SGA is bigger than winning a championship in the PBA.
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July 21, 2024, 11:56:54 PM
When I was watching the game, I thought that SGA was about to lose. That less than 2 minutes was crucial, I think that Taiwan has got 5-7 points in the lead but turnovers and 3 points led by RJ Abarrientos did it and as well as that shot made by Kiefer.
The last ball posession made the game overtime and our SGA did it well.


True, the Philippines were already down by about three possessions, but we didn't give up, even though the calls of the refs were very obviously favoring the home team. But that was the game. We played hard, never gave up, and made some clutch shots. That shot by Ravena was really big, but Taiwan got back to bring the game into overtime.
That was a good game by the Philippines, they really fought hard to bring the victory and they succeeded in the overtime. I really thought they'll continue to dominate but this Taiwan team also has their imports and half american, the young guy who is only 18 years old but played with great skills in basketball. We have imports as well, I think among the teams we are the one with most imports.

I think our imports also did pretty well, but players like RJ Abarrientos and Ravena were big in the clutch. So, a big congratulations to this team! After the last win in 2019, we got ourselves back in first place. Hopefully, they'll continue to work on the lineup so we can at least dominate this tournament, which is easier compared to the other tournaments our team, the Philippines, has been participating in.

I wonder why RJ Abarrientos didn't play in the PBA, I think he could be a great point guard in a strong teams like the SMB, Ginebra, or TNT.  I'm just so proud of out team that we have achieve this big victory. Congratulations to Strong Group Athletics.
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July 21, 2024, 06:52:24 PM
When I was watching the game, I thought that SGA was about to lose. That less than 2 minutes was crucial, I think that Taiwan has got 5-7 points in the lead but turnovers and 3 points led by RJ Abarrientos did it and as well as that shot made by Kiefer.
The last ball posession made the game overtime and our SGA did it well.


True, the Philippines were already down by about three possessions, but we didn't give up, even though the calls of the refs were very obviously favoring the home team. But that was the game. We played hard, never gave up, and made some clutch shots. That shot by Ravena was really big, but Taiwan got back to bring the game into overtime.

I think our imports also did pretty well, but players like RJ Abarrientos and Ravena were big in the clutch. So, a big congratulations to this team! After the last win in 2019, we got ourselves back in first place. Hopefully, they'll continue to work on the lineup so we can at least dominate this tournament, which is easier compared to the other tournaments our team, the Philippines, has been participating in.
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July 21, 2024, 04:12:18 PM
It's not only Philippines, Taiwan Taipei B is also 7-0.
(https://www.sofascore.com/tournament/basketball/international/william-jones-cup/22861#id:63532)
Good luck to SGA and I hope that they'll be the one to win this game. The game is live now.
It is on half time.
SGA 41
Taipei B 34
It seems it was already over as the ranking from here (link below) was already updated.

https://www.teampilipinas.info/2024/07/jones-cup-2024-live-updates-schedule.html

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TEAM/COUNTRY   WIN   LOSS   STREAK
 Strong Group Pilipinas (GOLD)   8   0   +8
Chinese Taipei A (SILVER)   7   1   -1
Ukraine (BRONZE)   6   2   +6

Philippines ended winning a gold with undefeated record. This is a big achievement for the Philippines, their basketball really is already developing as they have dominated in this big competition. Kudos to the coaching staff as well as without them, this wouldn't be possible.
When I was watching the game, I thought that SGA was about to lose. That less than 2 minutes was crucial, I think that Taiwan has got 5-7 points in the lead but turnovers and 3 points led by RJ Abarrientos did it and as well as that shot made by Kiefer.
The last ball posession made the game overtime and our SGA did it well.

So now we know that Coach Chot is really a problem. ( no disrespect to him).
SGA and Gilas are two different teams but should just stay in the PBA.
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