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October 23, 2021, 10:02:01 AM
I think MAG lacks right now is a second scorer what do  you think? Lee is their scorer but he has a right shoulder injury and that leaves Sangalang as their primary scorer but him as well has a back spasms injury. Abueva needs to score more, Barroca needs to score more.
Both needs to score but they are not actually a scorer with the same caliber like Paul Lee who can drop 20 points or more in a game. Magnolia's strength is their defense but they are not effectively using it against the TNT, so they have the problem as TNT knows both (defense and offense).

This is the only series that Jason Castro is very relaxed, I mean he does not need to carry the team in scoring as they have guys that can be trusted like Pogoy and Williams, and of course, you can also trust Rosario and Erram.

The line movement seems to favor the Magnolia Hotshots here, of course, it's understandable because Magnolia needs to win game 3 in order to be able to be back in the series. A loss here means a 90% chance they'll lose in the Finals, so they should take care of TNT and consider playing as if it's their last game. I have a feeling that tomorrow it will be the Magnolia who will be the favorites.
They are already in the Finals and this is game best of 7 series though I also believe that Magnolia will not let this happen to be upset by TNT, expect a more man to man game play tomorrow as Magnolia is very eager to win and yes to be back on track. On the other hand, if TNT wants to take the title better not to be over confident as they still need to do their best to surely get the trophy, game 3 is very crucial for both teams.
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October 23, 2021, 09:42:38 AM
So everyone is shifting to TNT now? LOL, you are not a die-hard fan.

Speaking of Dire hard fans, how I wish Ginebra will be better next conference or season so they'll not be eliminated easily.
I miss watching the team especially if their chemistry is good, so once C. Stand will play in the B League, I think it's nice if they could bring back Greg in the line up.
I guess in betting there’s no such thing a die hard fan since you are betting with your Money so its not ok to still bet on your favorite team just to continue support them even if you are losing money. Well, this is just my thought and for me, getting too attached on a team is very risky, this is gambling though and not about being a fan.

TNT has a clear advantage here betting on Magnolia might be a risky move. Analyze it again before you bet.

Some gamblers bet on their emotion, that's why they failed because bookies know that and they will take advantage of that.

That's what you called blindly betting as even if you already see that your team is losing, you still believe that they will win and you don't see the advantage anymore which is a big problem since, in order to win in sports betting, you should always look for an advantage so you will have a higher win rate ratio.
Exactly, we should always bet based on the fact and not by our emotions, this is gambling and your money is at risk here.
Betting line are now open as I can see, and looks like TNT is on a great odds simply because they are one win away to get the title, and they really dominate the games against Magnolia. If you're into Magnolia till the end because its your favorite team, then I guess that's the risk you take so be ready for its result.
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October 23, 2021, 08:55:39 AM
I think MAG lacks right now is a second scorer what do  you think? Lee is their scorer but he has a right shoulder injury and that leaves Sangalang as their primary scorer but him as well has a back spasms injury. Abueva needs to score more, Barroca needs to score more.
Both needs to score but they are not actually a scorer with the same caliber like Paul Lee who can drop 20 points or more in a game. Magnolia's strength is their defense but they are not effectively using it against the TNT, so they have the problem as TNT knows both (defense and offense).

This is the only series that Jason Castro is very relaxed, I mean he does not need to carry the team in scoring as they have guys that can be trusted like Pogoy and Williams, and of course, you can also trust Rosario and Erram.

The line movement seems to favor the Magnolia Hotshots here, of course, it's understandable because Magnolia needs to win game 3 in order to be able to be back in the series. A loss here means a 90% chance they'll lose in the Finals, so they should take care of TNT and consider playing as if it's their last game. I have a feeling that tomorrow it will be the Magnolia who will be the favorites.
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October 23, 2021, 07:26:01 AM
I think MAG lacks right now is a second scorer what do  you think? Lee is their scorer but he has a right shoulder injury and that leaves Sangalang as their primary scorer but him as well has a back spasms injury. Abueva needs to score more, Barroca needs to score more.
Both needs to score but they are not actually a scorer with the same caliber like Paul Lee who can drop 20 points or more in a game. Magnolia's strength is their defense but they are not effectively using it against the TNT, so they have the problem as TNT knows both (defense and offense).

This is the only series that Jason Castro is very relaxed, I mean he does not need to carry the team in scoring as they have guys that can be trusted like Pogoy and Williams, and of course, you can also trust Rosario and Erram.
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October 23, 2021, 07:03:01 AM
Overall, MAG players just need to step up on shooting and find a way to stop Mikey Williams. Congrats on the TNT win.
They don't put much pressure on Williams, if the defender can't handle him, then maybe they should think of doubling him as he has been creating a lot of damage for Magnolia's defense. Williams scored 28 points in this game from 10-20 shooting, that's a high percentage, so clearly the defense was not effective.

Good thing for Magnolia they have a working Sanggalang who scored 25 points in this game, but Calvin had a bad shooting night who only made 3 of 11 attempts.
William is the big advantage here. This rookie without any pressure can easily take the shot with high confidence. Coach Chot sees that, and he continues using it, same play and same outcome. With the help of Castro and Rosario, TNT will keep on abusing Magnolia, if they want to win coaching staff needs to balance his man inside, putting new fresh legs and allow new defenders to try stopping those guards who already gained too much confidence.  Embarrassed
He is a rookie but with a lot of experience outside the country so I don't think that he will have pressure and knowing that he is on the top and the best team right now, he always has the green light to shoot if he is free or he wants too. He gained a lot of trust from his teammates and his coach, Coach Chot that is why he is getting this points.

Magnolia is known for their 3 guard set-up and their good defense and I expect that adjustments will be made by them. Maybe a man-to-man defense with Williams is possible, double-teaming him is also possible or putting him into foul trouble might too but that will be hard. He got a hard time during the TNT-SMB series and the MAG must do the same defense as SMB is doing with Williams.

I think MAG lacks right now is a second scorer what do  you think? Lee is their scorer but he has a right shoulder injury and that leaves Sangalang as their primary scorer but him as well has a back spasms injury. Abueva needs to score more, Barroca needs to score more.
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October 23, 2021, 05:51:46 AM
Game 3 betting lines are now available,  bet early if you like TNT to win as they are only -2.5.
over/under is 181.5...

If Magnolia will indeed be swept by the TNT, then I think even if the line is -5.5, TNT would still be able to cover it as they have been dominating the Magnolia in the last two games and they still don't have an answer.
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October 22, 2021, 04:57:47 PM
So everyone is shifting to TNT now? LOL, you are not a die-hard fan.

Speaking of Dire hard fans, how I wish Ginebra will be better next conference or season so they'll not be eliminated easily.
I miss watching the team especially if their chemistry is good, so once C. Stand will play in the B League, I think it's nice if they could bring back Greg in the line up.
I guess in betting there’s no such thing a die hard fan since you are betting with your Money so its not ok to still bet on your favorite team just to continue support them even if you are losing money. Well, this is just my thought and for me, getting too attached on a team is very risky, this is gambling though and not about being a fan.

TNT has a clear advantage here betting on Magnolia might be a risky move. Analyze it again before you bet.

Some gamblers bet on their emotion, that's why they failed because bookies know that and they will take advantage of that.

That's what you called blindly betting as even if you already see that your team is losing, you still believe that they will win and you don't see the advantage anymore which is a big problem since, in order to win in sports betting, you should always look for an advantage so you will have a higher win rate ratio.
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October 22, 2021, 04:47:01 PM
So everyone is shifting to TNT now? LOL, you are not a die-hard fan.

Speaking of Dire hard fans, how I wish Ginebra will be better next conference or season so they'll not be eliminated easily.
I miss watching the team especially if their chemistry is good, so once C. Stand will play in the B League, I think it's nice if they could bring back Greg in the line up.
I guess in betting there’s no such thing a die hard fan since you are betting with your Money so its not ok to still bet on your favorite team just to continue support them even if you are losing money. Well, this is just my thought and for me, getting too attached on a team is very risky, this is gambling though and not about being a fan.

TNT has a clear advantage here betting on Magnolia might be a risky move. Analyze it again before you bet.
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October 22, 2021, 03:58:14 PM
Nothing can stop TNT now, they seem to be playing without pressure, up by 2 in the series and they are the favorites to win, I think the edge is really high. I was thinking that the injury of Williams was a big serious that will not him available in game 2, but we saw him play and he played the same, so great job for TNT for making that possible despite only one day of rest.

Paul Lee here is a major problem, not only he was not able to deliver in points but he also become a liability in defense.

Advance congratulations to the TNT Ka Tropa.
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October 22, 2021, 03:48:18 PM
I will go with the flow, let's hope that Magnolia will even the series so we have a happy day with our wins.

I have some bets here that I like the odds, if this hits, I would enjoy drinking tonight. lol



Wish me luck "mga kabayan".

None of these bets had a chance to win, maybe I will still replicate this bet in game 3, that's going to be the last I will do it as it's a do or die game for Magnolia.


@goaldigger, I'm using bitsler as they have lots of markets and lots of special odds with higher possible return on my bet.
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October 22, 2021, 03:41:04 PM
That means there are no changes after all, but if the spread of TNT is -2.5, I think that implies something, it could be a trap so everyone thinks the line is easy and they will take it. Let's wait for the odds to be available, we could see another magic in game 3 as that's the only way Magnolia will win.

Anything can happen but if Magnolia won't be able to find a way to make a good stop, expect that the outcome will continue to be like this, Lee needs to work things out, leading his team to try extending this series should be the focus for him in this upcoming game 3.  Roll Eyes

Game 3 is the most important game in the series since the series is already 2-0, honestly, based IMO, this is the worst Finals that Paul Lee has ever played, maybe he is bothered with the injury but it's not an excuse though, I'm not sure if what would happen to him after this, maybe the will get traded?

If TNT wins, they just beat the 2 giant teams of the San Miguel Corporation, and that's big enough to be called a success on the part of Chot Reyes and the TNT roster of course.
This is a do or die match for Magnolia so this is very important for them though its not easy now to win especially against TNT who already have a good confidents towards game 3. As far as I know, Magnolia is the third team under San Miguel Corp. so this is a big achievement for Reyes and the rest of the team. Placing some bet now for game 3, I’m into TNT now.

So everyone is shifting to TNT now? LOL, you are not a die-hard fan.

Speaking of Dire hard fans, how I wish Ginebra will be better next conference or season so they'll not be eliminated easily.
I miss watching the team especially if their chemistry is good, so once C. Stand will play in the B League, I think it's nice if they could bring back Greg in the line up.
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October 22, 2021, 03:34:50 PM
That means there are no changes after all, but if the spread of TNT is -2.5, I think that implies something, it could be a trap so everyone thinks the line is easy and they will take it. Let's wait for the odds to be available, we could see another magic in game 3 as that's the only way Magnolia will win.

Anything can happen but if Magnolia won't be able to find a way to make a good stop, expect that the outcome will continue to be like this, Lee needs to work things out, leading his team to try extending this series should be the focus for him in this upcoming game 3.  Roll Eyes

Game 3 is the most important game in the series since the series is already 2-0, honestly, based IMO, this is the worst Finals that Paul Lee has ever played, maybe he is bothered with the injury but it's not an excuse though, I'm not sure if what would happen to him after this, maybe the will get traded?

If TNT wins, they just beat the 2 giant teams of the San Miguel Corporation, and that's big enough to be called a success on the part of Chot Reyes and the TNT roster of course.
This is a do or die match for Magnolia so this is very important for them though its not easy now to win especially against TNT who already have a good confidents towards game 3. As far as I know, Magnolia is the third team under San Miguel Corp. so this is a big achievement for Reyes and the rest of the team. Placing some bet now for game 3, I’m into TNT now.
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October 22, 2021, 03:19:34 PM
That means there are no changes after all, but if the spread of TNT is -2.5, I think that implies something, it could be a trap so everyone thinks the line is easy and they will take it. Let's wait for the odds to be available, we could see another magic in game 3 as that's the only way Magnolia will win.

Anything can happen but if Magnolia won't be able to find a way to make a good stop, expect that the outcome will continue to be like this, Lee needs to work things out, leading his team to try extending this series should be the focus for him in this upcoming game 3.  Roll Eyes

Game 3 is the most important game in the series since the series is already 2-0, honestly, based IMO, this is the worst Finals that Paul Lee has ever played, maybe he is bothered with the injury but it's not an excuse though, I'm not sure if what would happen to him after this, maybe the will get traded?

If TNT wins, they just beat the 2 giant teams of the San Miguel Corporation, and that's big enough to be called a success on the part of Chot Reyes and the TNT roster of course.
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October 22, 2021, 11:45:28 AM
Overall, MAG players just need to step up on shooting and find a way to stop Mikey Williams. Congrats on the TNT win.
They don't put much pressure on Williams, if the defender can't handle him, then maybe they should think of doubling him as he has been creating a lot of damage for Magnolia's defense. Williams scored 28 points in this game from 10-20 shooting, that's a high percentage, so clearly the defense was not effective.

Good thing for Magnolia they have a working Sanggalang who scored 25 points in this game, but Calvin had a bad shooting night who only made 3 of 11 attempts.
William is the big advantage here. This rookie without any pressure can easily take the shot with high confidence. Coach Chot sees that, and he continues using it, same play and same outcome. With the help of Castro and Rosario, TNT will keep on abusing Magnolia, if they want to win coaching staff needs to balance his man inside, putting new fresh legs and allow new defenders to try stopping those guards who already gained too much confidence.  Embarrassed



That means there are no changes after all, but if the spread of TNT is -2.5, I think that implies something, it could be a trap so everyone thinks the line is easy and they will take it. Let's wait for the odds to be available, we could see another magic in game 3 as that's the only way Magnolia will win.

Anything can happen but if Magnolia won't be able to find a way to make a good stop, expect that the outcome will continue to be like this, Lee needs to work things out, leading his team to try extending this series should be the focus for him in this upcoming game 3.  Roll Eyes
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October 22, 2021, 09:02:36 AM
I'm not sure if they can still come back in this game, TNT had 16 points lead in the 1st half, they need to have a strong 3rd quarter for them to be able to make it a close game or a single-digit lead by the TNT only. They did not show the aggressiveness that they need and their shot selections were not perfectly planned, I hope they could at least cover the spread.
Their coach is working very hard so they can work properly according to the plan, kudos to TNT for todays match, they really dominate the game for me. For Magnolia, I still hope that they can win against TNT, they still have the chance though so better not to give up yet.

Wish me luck "mga kabayan".
What site you are placing your bets? Curious and interested to try that platform as well and maybe I can still ride since more games to go before this season end.
That's Bitsler.com, I'm also using the site ever since they have a sports betting attached to the platform.
it's good because the limit is low, so it's good for gamblers who have a small budget in sports betting.

The downside is you cannot do a price boost unlike in Sportsbet.  Smiley
Great, I still have no account on that site so I might give it a try for game 3 and Its good that its friendly for a small time bettor.
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October 22, 2021, 09:00:22 AM
Overall, MAG players just need to step up on shooting and find a way to stop Mikey Williams. Congrats on the TNT win.
They don't put much pressure on Williams, if the defender can't handle him, then maybe they should think of doubling him as he has been creating a lot of damage for Magnolia's defense. Williams scored 28 points in this game from 10-20 shooting, that's a high percentage, so clearly the defense was not effective.

Good thing for Magnolia they have a working Sanggalang who scored 25 points in this game, but Calvin had a bad shooting night who only made 3 of 11 attempts.
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October 22, 2021, 07:53:01 AM
This is over now, over 1 minute and TNT is still leading by 11 points, there's no chance Magnolia would be able to make a miracle here.

So after this game, it will be 2-0, still believe in Magnolia and we will go all-in in game 3.

Congrats to TNT, 2 games with an easy win.

I concede this series belongs to the Katropa, kudus to coach Chot Reyes for the job well done though this is not over yet judging on the body language of the Hotshot's players, seem they are not into it.

Betting for Magnolia in game 3 might not be a good idea as I think TNT might go for the sweep and go home to their families as early as possible.

If the spread on game 3 is still -4.5, I would go for the Katropa.

That means there are no changes after all, but if the spread of TNT is -2.5, I think that implies something, it could be a trap so everyone thinks the line is easy and they will take it. Let's wait for the odds to be available, we could see another magic in game 3 as that's the only way Magnolia will win.
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October 22, 2021, 07:46:05 AM
I'm not sure if they can still come back in this game, TNT had 16 points lead in the 1st half, they need to have a strong 3rd quarter for them to be able to make it a close game or a single-digit lead by the TNT only. They did not show the aggressiveness that they need and their shot selections were not perfectly planned, I hope they could at least cover the spread.

You are right, they have a strong 3rd quarter and actually, they were able to close with TNT by trimming their lead to 4 points only, but TNT came back and they are now leading by 9 points, but don't worry, there's still plenty of time, who knows we will see a surprise here and Magnolia will win.

edit : Calvin Abueva has fouled out, Magnolia in trouble now.  Lips sealed

This is over now, over 1 minute and TNT is still leading by 11 points, there's no chance Magnolia would be able to make a miracle here.

So after this game, it will be 2-0, still believe in Magnolia and we will go all-in in game 3.

Congrats to TNT, 2 games with an easy win.
I thought that the MAG had their momentum when they cut TNT's lead to just 4 but it seems like they've lost their momentum and that causes the TNT to get their 2nd win 105-93.
These are the 3 reasons I think why TNT got their 2nd win.

1. Mikey Williams is just unstoppable. Just see his stats in the first 2 games. He can't be stopped by either Barocca or Jalalon. Now he scored 28 points with 9 rebounds too and when MAG cut down the lead to just 4, he got 5 of the 7-0 run that TNT made causing their lead to go up again. No one can stop him right now and if MAG can't find a way to stop him, there is almost no chance for them to win. He is a scoring machine.
2. Foul troubles. Abueva got fouled out, Barocca and Jalalon got 5 fouls too. Pogoy got fouled out too but it doesn't matter because there is Williams to just shoot around if needed. Abueva's presence inside the court increases the morale of the team so him being fouled out is just devastating for the team.
3. Help from Paul Lee. Like I said, his previous game wasn't that good for him because he got a right shoulder injury causing him to miss a lot of shots and not performing on his usual performance. Sangalang played well this game with 25 pts but that wasn't enough for the team to get the W.

Overall, MAG players just need to step up on shooting and find a way to stop Mikey Williams. Congrats on the TNT win.
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October 22, 2021, 07:38:47 AM
This is over now, over 1 minute and TNT is still leading by 11 points, there's no chance Magnolia would be able to make a miracle here.

So after this game, it will be 2-0, still believe in Magnolia and we will go all-in in game 3.

Congrats to TNT, 2 games with an easy win.

I concede this series belongs to the Katropa, kudus to coach Chot Reyes for the job well done though this is not over yet judging on the body language of the Hotshot's players, seem they are not into it.

Betting for Magnolia in game 3 might not be a good idea as I think TNT might go for the sweep and go home to their families as early as possible.

If the spread on game 3 is still -4.5, I would go for the Katropa.
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October 22, 2021, 07:29:04 AM
I'm not sure if they can still come back in this game, TNT had 16 points lead in the 1st half, they need to have a strong 3rd quarter for them to be able to make it a close game or a single-digit lead by the TNT only. They did not show the aggressiveness that they need and their shot selections were not perfectly planned, I hope they could at least cover the spread.

You are right, they have a strong 3rd quarter and actually, they were able to close with TNT by trimming their lead to 4 points only, but TNT came back and they are now leading by 9 points, but don't worry, there's still plenty of time, who knows we will see a surprise here and Magnolia will win.

edit : Calvin Abueva has fouled out, Magnolia in trouble now.  Lips sealed

This is over now, over 1 minute and TNT is still leading by 11 points, there's no chance Magnolia would be able to make a miracle here.

So after this game, it will be 2-0, still believe in Magnolia and we will go all-in in game 3.

Congrats to TNT, 2 games with an easy win.
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